Teckstudian logic would mean Macs would still have floppy drives over optical drives, serial and parallel ports over USB, and HDMI would have never been adopted because VGA would have been more “universal”.
No solipsism logic subbornly insist the the meaning of Steve Joobs as "CEO of the Decade" is totally and utterly wrong as the decade won't be completed until December 31, 2010!
Everyone else uses 12/31/09 hence that is why we are seeing all these lists popping up for best films of the decade, best songs of the decade, etc, etc. I wouldn't listen to anyone who keeps insisting that that 2000 is part of the nineties, 1990 is part of the eighties,etc, etc.
This annoys me so much I had to register to comment!
Its all very well making DisplayPort a standard if Apple themeselves supported it!. When I bought my MacBook Pro I explained to the nice man that I had a DisplayPort conected monitor and needed a mini-displayport to displayport cable, but Apple don't sell them! so making displayport a standard is no good if Apple themselves are not going to support it.
TechDud, your ability to see the obvious never fails to amaze me. You have correctly stated that a technology that has been around since 2003 is more "universal" than one that was introduced last year. Brilliant! .... Would you have been so quick to bring this to our attention if it was not another slam against Apple? .... I think not.
You are becoming more like M$ every day ... never original, just more and more of the same crap. Being irrelevant is one thing, ..... now you're just becoming boring.
It's obvious that HDMI is more advance than DP in the audio department - and your point?
It's part of the standard now. Anyone can use this as long as it's built to spec.
The more important question is, "Why isn't their audio when DP/mini-DP supports it?"
Apple didn't connect audio to the port on the motherboard.
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TechDud, your ability to see the obvious never fails to amaze me. You have correctly stated that a technology that has been around since 2003 is more "universal" than one that was introduced last year. Brilliant! .... Would you have been so quick to bring this to our attention if it was not another slam against Apple? .... I think not.
You are becoming more like M$ every day ... never original, just more and more of the same crap. Being irrelevant is one thing, ..... now you're just becoming boring.
The only thing that obvious is that despite its advantages, displayport is failing to catch on.
Anyway, CinemaView is a continuing conundrum. If it is a Jack Campbell joint, I want to see these products ship with no encumbrances from OEMs or licensing or other kerfuffles over the many other things there were kerfuffles over.
And why would you offer what appears to be a HDMI/MDP switcher with 2 HD tuners for $400? Not to mention going through the trouble of marketing a 47" display that tops out at the resolution of a 21.5" iMac?
Glad they got VESA adoption. Hopefully this is the end of the line for proprietary Apple video output. I'm a recovering Cube owner, you see...
It's not since MAcs are 10% and PCs have all opted for HDMI. Unless you talking strictly MAC desktops. Definitely not standard for PC laptops. DP is strictly for visual professionals- video editors, graphic designers and photographers, etc- not the average consumer.
Wrong. We've already discussed this in a thread of which you were a part. Many Dell computers include Display ports, and all new ATI 58xx cards do. Nvidia based cards are also beginning to support Displayport.
Because they can't shove 7.1 channels into DP like HDMI (the more advance option for audio).
With enough bandwidth, you can achieve anything (relevant to the argument). I'm no expert on (anything much) HDMI, but from HDMI.org in the FAQ section:
Higher speed: HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds.
From the AI article:
DisplayPort 1.2 is a new standard VESA is finalizing that will double the technology's bandwidth capabilities to 21.6GB/s. It is said to support multiple monitors via a single connector, 3D displays, and higher resolutions, refresh rates and color depths.
It's probably risky therefore, to claim that DP can't do something that HDMI can, unless there is more to the argument than bandwidth.
Wrong. We've already discussed this in a thread of which you were a part. Many Dell computers include Display ports, and all new ATI 58xx cards do. Nvidia based cards are also beginning to support Displayport.
Please stick to facts.
No you're wrong. What HDTV/monitors use DP besides Apple's?? Most use HDMI. MOST of them.
Of course not- Apple owns mini DP. But it would be nice to have a universal standard to just plug our laptops wherever we go. Look at the numbers-How many new HDTVs / monitors have HDMI as opposed to DP?
Apple doesn't own Mini DP. VESA now "Owns" it.
It took over five years before more than a couple of monitors got HDMI.
This will also take some time, but likely will move faster.
No, just the standard in the devices that more commonly use it. I can guarantee you 110% that I can run higher than 1920x1080 coming from my video card using an hdmi cable. Absolutely has nothing to do with the cable (it's just pulses of 1's and 0's afterall.)
3D displays are a different story I believe (could be wrong though.) I think nvidia has 3d displays that work with hdmi, but I'm not sure.
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Like Apple not adopting Blu-ray or Apple recently adopting SD slots? Do tell.
Well DVD is more universal, make up your mind.
I meant mini- so then who does?
It's part of the standard now. Anyone can use this as long as it's built to spec.
The more important question is, "Why isn't there audio when DP/mini-DP supports it?"
Teckstudian logic would mean Macs would still have floppy drives over optical drives, serial and parallel ports over USB, and HDMI would have never been adopted because VGA would have been more “universal”.
No solipsism logic subbornly insist the the meaning of Steve Joobs as "CEO of the Decade" is totally and utterly wrong as the decade won't be completed until December 31, 2010!
Everyone else uses 12/31/09 hence that is why we are seeing all these lists popping up for best films of the decade, best songs of the decade, etc, etc. I wouldn't listen to anyone who keeps insisting that that 2000 is part of the nineties, 1990 is part of the eighties,etc, etc.
It's part of the standard now. Anyone can use this as long as it's built to spec.
The more important question is, "Why isn't their audio when DP/mini-DP supports it?"
Because they can't shove 7.1 channels into DP like HDMI (the more advance option for audio).
Well DVD is more universal, make up your mind.
You said technologically advanced. I have nothing to change. DO you still use VHS tape?
Its all very well making DisplayPort a standard if Apple themeselves supported it!. When I bought my MacBook Pro I explained to the nice man that I had a DisplayPort conected monitor and needed a mini-displayport to displayport cable, but Apple don't sell them! so making displayport a standard is no good if Apple themselves are not going to support it.
TechDud, your ability to see the obvious never fails to amaze me. You have correctly stated that a technology that has been around since 2003 is more "universal" than one that was introduced last year. Brilliant! .... Would you have been so quick to bring this to our attention if it was not another slam against Apple? .... I think not.
You are becoming more like M$ every day ... never original, just more and more of the same crap. Being irrelevant is one thing, ..... now you're just becoming boring.
It's obvious that HDMI is more advance than DP in the audio department - and your point?
You said technologically advanced. I have nothing to change.
Well, you were the one who cited universality as the standard by which we should pick technologies.
It's part of the standard now. Anyone can use this as long as it's built to spec.
The more important question is, "Why isn't their audio when DP/mini-DP supports it?"
Apple didn't connect audio to the port on the motherboard.
TechDud, your ability to see the obvious never fails to amaze me. You have correctly stated that a technology that has been around since 2003 is more "universal" than one that was introduced last year. Brilliant! .... Would you have been so quick to bring this to our attention if it was not another slam against Apple? .... I think not.
You are becoming more like M$ every day ... never original, just more and more of the same crap. Being irrelevant is one thing, ..... now you're just becoming boring.
The only thing that obvious is that despite its advantages, displayport is failing to catch on.
Anyway, CinemaView is a continuing conundrum. If it is a Jack Campbell joint, I want to see these products ship with no encumbrances from OEMs or licensing or other kerfuffles over the many other things there were kerfuffles over.
And why would you offer what appears to be a HDMI/MDP switcher with 2 HD tuners for $400? Not to mention going through the trouble of marketing a 47" display that tops out at the resolution of a 21.5" iMac?
Glad they got VESA adoption. Hopefully this is the end of the line for proprietary Apple video output. I'm a recovering Cube owner, you see...
HDMI is better- more universal.
When HDMI first came out, people had the same complaints about that as you have about Displayport.
Time marches on. Better standards come out and replace older ones.
HDMI 1.4 is an attempt to bypass this, but then it just obsoletes the older ones as 1.3, 1.2, and 1.1 did earlier.
Did you complain about that as well?
Apple didn't connect audio to the port on the motherboard.
The only thing that obvious is that despite its advantages, displayport is failing to catch on.
Fine- so gives us HDMI then.
It's not since MAcs are 10% and PCs have all opted for HDMI. Unless you talking strictly MAC desktops. Definitely not standard for PC laptops. DP is strictly for visual professionals- video editors, graphic designers and photographers, etc- not the average consumer.
Wrong. We've already discussed this in a thread of which you were a part. Many Dell computers include Display ports, and all new ATI 58xx cards do. Nvidia based cards are also beginning to support Displayport.
Please stick to facts.
Because they can't shove 7.1 channels into DP like HDMI (the more advance option for audio).
With enough bandwidth, you can achieve anything (relevant to the argument). I'm no expert on (anything much) HDMI, but from HDMI.org in the FAQ section:
Higher speed: HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds.
From the AI article:
DisplayPort 1.2 is a new standard VESA is finalizing that will double the technology's bandwidth capabilities to 21.6GB/s. It is said to support multiple monitors via a single connector, 3D displays, and higher resolutions, refresh rates and color depths.
It's probably risky therefore, to claim that DP can't do something that HDMI can, unless there is more to the argument than bandwidth.
When HDMI first came out, people had the same complaints about that as you have about Displayport.
Time marches on. Better standards come out and replace older ones.
HDMI 1.4 is an attempt to bypass this, but then it just obsoletes the older ones as 1.3, 1.2, and 1.1 did earlier.
Did you complain about that as well?
I've never complained about HDMI- in fact I love it-that I can easily move the AppleTV from the living room to the bedroom so swiftly.
Besides all HDTVs/monitors have HDMI built into them right now.
Wrong. We've already discussed this in a thread of which you were a part. Many Dell computers include Display ports, and all new ATI 58xx cards do. Nvidia based cards are also beginning to support Displayport.
Please stick to facts.
No you're wrong. What HDTV/monitors use DP besides Apple's?? Most use HDMI. MOST of them.
FAct are facts.
Of course not- Apple owns mini DP. But it would be nice to have a universal standard to just plug our laptops wherever we go. Look at the numbers-How many new HDTVs / monitors have HDMI as opposed to DP?
Apple doesn't own Mini DP. VESA now "Owns" it.
It took over five years before more than a couple of monitors got HDMI.
This will also take some time, but likely will move faster.
its also lower resolution
No, just the standard in the devices that more commonly use it. I can guarantee you 110% that I can run higher than 1920x1080 coming from my video card using an hdmi cable. Absolutely has nothing to do with the cable (it's just pulses of 1's and 0's afterall.)
3D displays are a different story I believe (could be wrong though.) I think nvidia has 3d displays that work with hdmi, but I'm not sure.
Apple didn't connect audio to the port on the motherboard.
I don't believe that's correct.
The only thing that obvious is that despite its advantages, displayport is failing to catch on.
That's definitely not correct.