Apple OS will continue to sink and Win will continue to get better... because MSFT eats, sleeps, breathes OPERATING SYSTEM - they are a software computer company first and foremost..
And yet they still "managed" to come out with Vista after how many years of eating, sleeping and breathing OPERATING SYSTEMS! Brilliant!
If you're so happy with your PC, good for you, but the thing Is .... why do you and others like you spend so much time on an Apple fan site trying to justify your decision to us? Talk about "penis envy"...... sounds to me like you people have it in spades. \
Presume Much?
Some of us own/work with Macs, Windows-based computers, as well as Linux systems equally.
It's a good way to remain objective in these matters, freeing us from rabid, unintelligible fan(atical) rants devoid of facts.
Some of us own/work with Macs, Windows-based computers, as well as Linux systems equally.
It's a good way to remain objective in these matters, freeing us from rabid, unintelligible fan(atical) rants devoid of facts.
When I was young I was told ...."believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see".
What I "hear" is your "working with Macs, Windows-based computers, as well as Linux systems equally."
What I "see," when I look at the majority of your posts, is a distinct bias against Mac ... so again I have to wonder .... why do you even bother spending time on a Mac fan site ... bashing Apple? What is your agenda ?.... just askin'
20hrs? perhaps your company should hire a competent worker?
They did, me. This is why they have a developer they are paying over 100k doing something that ITS normally does. Setting up our development and build environment on Windows 7 was one of those "frontier" tasks. After I do it successfully, then others will follow in my footsteps.
Installing windows is a trivial task, it's putting all those other MS products, like SQL server, Visual Studio etc. that apparently have known issues in Win7 etc is hard, and of course figuring out compiler changes and how to make stuff compile the first time.
But this is nothing to do with Microsoft strictly. It's our own problem. I was just pointing out in my original post, how the user experience in Windows hasn't really changed.
While I was doing all this, I had installed a few dozen applications and for each install I had run into issues that needed resolving the usual way (google, see what others have done etc).
Of course with each new release of Windows they have to move key files around just to mess with you and make you feel like something is different and that you have a "new" operating system.
But you still have the registry mess, that I had to poke through, you still have disorganized start menu, you still have the typical usability issues that have been there since early 90s. Nothing is really changed.
If MS thinks aero peek and windows that animate into place is aiding usability then they don't even understand the concept. Usability is all about managing and hiding complexity. But MS is afraid to make a simple OS it seems.
And the whole fiasco with 64 bit transition, where it's not apparent from inspecting the installer app if it will install 64 bit or 32 bit version or both, and if either is going to work, and the fact that there are 2 program files, one is supposed to be for 64 bit apps, the other for 32 bit, but various MS installers install things almost randomly in either, the fact that registry now has "windows on windows" entry where some old keys have migrated etc, doesn't make it simple either.
It was just a moment of personal revelation. I heard all the hype how Windows 7 is the best thing since sliced bread and how it's OS X killer (when it comes to usability) so I reset my expectations only to find old Windows cruft and wonder what the hell are the kids raving about windows 7 smoking these days (apparently they need to learn on their own skin and can't just take the advice of their parents).
He just admitted the competition is "fantastic." I don't know about you, but he just did Apple's marketing for them. And he was asked about Windows 7, not Apple. If that weren't bad enough, he also admitted that they tried to "create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics."
Double-whammy. He basically admitted that MS are ripoff artists. Way to feed in to the classic MS stereotypes, which apparently have been true all along.
It seems that every time an MS employee speaks (especially Ballmer - the CEO, even more scary), they make Apple look great. Even the Laptop Hunter ads admitted subtly that Macs were the most desirable product.
"What we?ve tried to do with Windows 7 -- whether it's traditional format or in a touch format -- is create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics."
So then WTH is the point of Windows 7 when you can get the Real Thing with a Mac??
And perhaps you don't know your a**hole from your elbow. You want to check out the "true value" of a retail product? .... go to the used/second hand marketplace, see what consumers say with their $$$ as to which computer "holds its value" ..... Invariably Macs retain more of their value, over a longer period of time, day in and day out than any PC. ..... funny isn't it when, according to you, they all use the same hardware pieces.
some old models of ipod still in the box sell for more than when they first appeared
This is a very smart move by MS
they are attaching them selves to apples rising star.
Art & architecture are open source and anyone can borrow from anyone else
However, having an R&D department that spends billions and in the end they have to mimic the competition is embarrassing
Yeah just like the car industry right... all those billions invested each yeah and darn they still follow the same concept that works really well.
You confusing the underlying technology where the investment goes with usability big time. Vista Tech wise was very very very good, same cannot be said about the interface.
Its good to see you guys are still contacting each other on twitter to come help each other out. Hate and resentment? Dude you need to turn that finger around and point it at yourself.
By the way that bitter taste is from you and your buddy Quadra sharing the same cup of koolaid.
It's interesting how an inferiority complex and narcissism can coexist in a person, I'll bet yours is a very intriguing case history. Don't bother looking for our tweets about you, they're encoded!
When I was young I was told ...."believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see".
What I "hear" is your "working with Macs, Windows-based computers, as well as Linux systems equally."
What I "see," when I look at the majority of your posts, is a distinct bias against Mac ... so again I have to wonder .... why do you even bother spending time on a Mac fan site ... bashing Apple? What is your agenda ?.... just askin'
It really isn't that hard to believe that people work on all platforms. Really this isn't Watergate. Even if someone doesn't own a Windows PC there are many Apple users that use Windows via bootcamp.
An internet forum is rarely a good example of what the public uses because its bias towards one side. It was even reported here that 85% of Apple users also use Windows. So the use of both is actually common not the other way around.
It's interesting how an inferiority complex and narcissism can coexist in a person
Dude don't be so hard on yourself. I think with a little bit of therapy and some medication you can work through all those issues. I have total faith in you.
Dude don't be so hard on yourself. I think with a little bit of therapy and some medication you can work through all those issues. I have total faith in you.
Ask yourself, as so many others have asked you, why are you logging on to an Apple focused site, spewing venom about Apple and Apple users? I understand you're in denial, lacking in self awareness, you're very clearly a extremely miserable person. Of the many posters who come here to 'troll' few exhibit the degree of outright, and very personal, hostility that you do. (They bash Apple, say Mac OS sucks, blah blah blah, but there's not typically the very personal personal sense of rage that you display.) You can try to put a bold face on it and pretend to laugh it off, but you really do have some serious issues you need to address.
In a press release issued just moments ago... Apple stated that the somewhat volatile and inflammatory comments made by Steve Jobs in an earlier interview where he stated that "Microsoft is nothing more than a mountain of shit filled with no-talent, lack-luster, has-beens, also-rans and never-weres and that the company wasn't even worth the powder to blow em all straight to hell!!" was totally false and clearly taken out of context.
Upon further examination by the Apple Finance Group in conjunction with the Apple Civil-Engineering Group its been determined that given the current market cap of MS and the number of physical structures that comprise the majority of Microsoft they WERE worth the powder to blow themselves straight to hell and perhaps enough left over for a Chocolate Mocha Frappuccino and perhaps a scone.
No, you're incorrect unfortunately...I didn't ask.
You can come on over and switch to OS X, sure...and turn around and follow the same pattern. Keep yourself in the dark, only follow what's right in front of your face. Being the sheep when the shepherds are idiots doesn't bode well for your IQ.
Bash Windows because right now you're not using it, and don't bother to read anything about it. But make sure you defend people who post bad things today about what shortcomings might have been true 5 years ago.
Time Machine, by the by, failed me miserably on my second backup attempt. It has since been turned off and I'm using iBackup. Firewire connected hard drive, too. It's a shame sometimes things just don't work the way you want them to.
Hey you seem like a decent guys, and intelligent for that matter, that's why I am engaging in a reply. For the time machine failure I have to say, no one is perfect, that said how long was my idolatry diatribe on superduper? Moreover the the fact that you found an excellent alternative isn't that something that speaks well on the platform?
You might not have asked directly, but you did imply, and are still saying how us switchers who have been burned by m$ should still show interests in their products. Well, as in any relation there's a time sometimes when it gets so strained that you ditch it and simply not look back. I am not being a "sheep" here, I have found a platform that suits my needs and I am sticking to it without wasting time researching alternatives that could be better spent educating myself, spending time with friends and loved ones, or the better half, going on holidays, working etc. etc. Why is that being a ship? I am in a position of having chosen the best most integrated platform for my digital life which makes it possible for me to not be out in the open market constantly on the look out for better things because I simply now apple will deliver earlier than anyone the most innovative and functional items. Sure, I have got an ebook reader on the side and a non apple nas, but those are minimal additions.
That's what technology is supposed to do, complement and enable our lives, not having us serve it instead. I d much rather spent more time on my platform finetuning it and finding ways to make it more productive instead of wondering about reading reviews about mostly crap products by m$. I mean for crying out loud the people used a 7 piece burger to launch windoze in japan, they leaked some fugly prototypes of mice just before apple released their magic mouse, their zune hd add had half the e chopped off on the word "marketplace" appearing on the screen, they set a special team for their flag ship internet explorer only to turn out a product that is the worst browser in most all respects than opera, ff and safari, their visionary leader predicted the iphone to be a huge failure, while they promoted tv like 15 sec ads for their app models. These guys are pathetic, they dont merit my interest.
The fact that in a 10,000 or so organization a half decent copied software may turn up once in a while which isn't a complete failure, that doesn't mean that I don't have better things to be doing than bothering about them.
That's pretty much the point, isn't it? As far as I can tell, Win7 is suggesting very hard that you limit your involvement in the file system to Users\\<Username>. It makes complete sense. If you're using the computer to manage your files, then why are you going to put files elsewhere? The rest of the house shouldn't really be any of the users concern.
I think you've missed the point here. He wasn't talking about user documents, he was talking about application files, and the way Windows apps have the tendency to throw files around all over the place, including system directories, when they install. An .app and an .exe are two completely different things. An .app is actually a directory that contains the resources a program needs to run. Everything goes in there, or into a very few well defined locations on the system, that are not 'system' directories. Thus the reference to file chaos.
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To turn to your point about the GUI, then. It doesn't matter what's going on underneath as long as the operator can get done what he or she needs to do. I am not a developer or a tech nerd which puts me squarely in the significant proportion of the population who coulld care less about any of that.
Well, you care when you get a BSOD. What's going on underneath is just as important, in some ways, more important, that the GUI.
Ask yourself, as so many others have asked you, why are you logging on to an Apple focused site, spewing venom about Apple and Apple users? I understand you're in denial, lacking in self awareness, you're very clearly a extremely miserable person. Of the many posters who come here to 'troll' few exhibit the degree of outright, and very personal, hostility that you do. (They bash Apple, say Mac OS sucks, blah blah blah, but there's not typically the very personal personal sense of rage that you display.) You can try to put a bold face on it and pretend to laugh it off, but you really do have some serious issues you need to address.
Mouse,
You really need to get a grip on the situation. We are talking about technology not life and death. There is no venom, no one is scared or jealous. You know all the words you like to use. If you have this hard of a time on the internet with really benign subjects I hate to see how you deal with real life situations. Get a grip this really isn't that important.
If it upsets you that much you can simply put anyone that doesn't totally agree with you on ignore. However you seem to have a problem doing that. Which would be your problem not mine.
Your the typical extremist that acutally hates everyone that doesn't agree with you. You don't understand the concept of debate. Maybe you should take your four buddies and create your own forum where you can sit around and agree with each other all day long. It will be a real lovefest. If fact you could call it Apple Lovefest, you and Quadra can be the head moderators.
By the way if you want to follow me around I have already moved on to another thread.
It really isn't that hard to believe that people work on all platforms. Really this isn't Watergate. Even if someone doesn't own a Windows PC there are many Apple users that use Windows via bootcamp.
An internet forum is rarely a good example of what the public uses because its bias towards one side. It was even reported here that 85% of Apple users also use Windows. So the use of both is actually common not the other way around.
If you took the time to really read my post you will see it is directed at DaHarder, not the public at large. ... big difference.
I'm a Mac guy myself, but honestly I think it took alot of class and courage to say something like this.. it's a very respectful thing to do, especially in a market where this kind of comment can eat you alive.
Not very many people at microsoft would have the integrity to say something like this.. nor would anyone at apple.
On rare occasions, Apple actually has had complimentary things to say about Microsoft. It happens!
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Apple OS will continue to sink and Win will continue to get better... because MSFT eats, sleeps, breathes OPERATING SYSTEM - they are a software computer company first and foremost..
And yet they still "managed" to come out with Vista after how many years of eating, sleeping and breathing OPERATING SYSTEMS! Brilliant!
If you're so happy with your PC, good for you, but the thing Is .... why do you and others like you spend so much time on an Apple fan site trying to justify your decision to us? Talk about "penis envy"...... sounds to me like you people have it in spades.
Presume Much?
Some of us own/work with Macs, Windows-based computers, as well as Linux systems equally.
It's a good way to remain objective in these matters, freeing us from rabid, unintelligible fan(atical) rants devoid of facts.
Oh...
Like the content afforded via the exponentially larger number of (quality) applications available for the Windows platform versus the Mac?
Since a Mac "does" windows, anything you can run on a PC you can run on a Mac. Can the PC run a Mac program ? No? .... Sorry! Oh Well.
Presume Much?
Some of us own/work with Macs, Windows-based computers, as well as Linux systems equally.
It's a good way to remain objective in these matters, freeing us from rabid, unintelligible fan(atical) rants devoid of facts.
When I was young I was told ...."believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see".
What I "hear" is your "working with Macs, Windows-based computers, as well as Linux systems equally."
What I "see," when I look at the majority of your posts, is a distinct bias against Mac ... so again I have to wonder .... why do you even bother spending time on a Mac fan site ... bashing Apple? What is your agenda ?.... just askin'
Microsoft is now denying it all.
http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/win...windows-7.aspx
It's hilarious. Too late. Cat's outta the bag.
20hrs? perhaps your company should hire a competent worker?
They did, me. This is why they have a developer they are paying over 100k doing something that ITS normally does. Setting up our development and build environment on Windows 7 was one of those "frontier" tasks. After I do it successfully, then others will follow in my footsteps.
Installing windows is a trivial task, it's putting all those other MS products, like SQL server, Visual Studio etc. that apparently have known issues in Win7 etc is hard, and of course figuring out compiler changes and how to make stuff compile the first time.
But this is nothing to do with Microsoft strictly. It's our own problem. I was just pointing out in my original post, how the user experience in Windows hasn't really changed.
While I was doing all this, I had installed a few dozen applications and for each install I had run into issues that needed resolving the usual way (google, see what others have done etc).
Of course with each new release of Windows they have to move key files around just to mess with you and make you feel like something is different and that you have a "new" operating system.
But you still have the registry mess, that I had to poke through, you still have disorganized start menu, you still have the typical usability issues that have been there since early 90s. Nothing is really changed.
If MS thinks aero peek and windows that animate into place is aiding usability then they don't even understand the concept. Usability is all about managing and hiding complexity. But MS is afraid to make a simple OS it seems.
And the whole fiasco with 64 bit transition, where it's not apparent from inspecting the installer app if it will install 64 bit or 32 bit version or both, and if either is going to work, and the fact that there are 2 program files, one is supposed to be for 64 bit apps, the other for 32 bit, but various MS installers install things almost randomly in either, the fact that registry now has "windows on windows" entry where some old keys have migrated etc, doesn't make it simple either.
It was just a moment of personal revelation. I heard all the hype how Windows 7 is the best thing since sliced bread and how it's OS X killer (when it comes to usability) so I reset my expectations only to find old Windows cruft and wonder what the hell are the kids raving about windows 7 smoking these days (apparently they need to learn on their own skin and can't just take the advice of their parents).
Think about it.
He just admitted the competition is "fantastic." I don't know about you, but he just did Apple's marketing for them. And he was asked about Windows 7, not Apple. If that weren't bad enough, he also admitted that they tried to "create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics."
Double-whammy. He basically admitted that MS are ripoff artists. Way to feed in to the classic MS stereotypes, which apparently have been true all along.
It seems that every time an MS employee speaks (especially Ballmer - the CEO, even more scary), they make Apple look great. Even the Laptop Hunter ads admitted subtly that Macs were the most desirable product.
"What we?ve tried to do with Windows 7 -- whether it's traditional format or in a touch format -- is create a Mac look and feel in terms of graphics."
So then WTH is the point of Windows 7 when you can get the Real Thing with a Mac??
Smooth move, Ace.
smooth is the word for today
And perhaps you don't know your a**hole from your elbow. You want to check out the "true value" of a retail product? .... go to the used/second hand marketplace, see what consumers say with their $$$ as to which computer "holds its value" ..... Invariably Macs retain more of their value, over a longer period of time, day in and day out than any PC. ..... funny isn't it when, according to you, they all use the same hardware pieces.
some old models of ipod still in the box sell for more than when they first appeared
This is a very smart move by MS
they are attaching them selves to apples rising star.
except vista is still crap bloated code
Art & architecture are open source and anyone can borrow from anyone else
However, having an R&D department that spends billions and in the end they have to mimic the competition is embarrassing
Yeah just like the car industry right... all those billions invested each yeah and darn they still follow the same concept that works really well.
You confusing the underlying technology where the investment goes with usability big time. Vista Tech wise was very very very good, same cannot be said about the interface.
Its good to see you guys are still contacting each other on twitter to come help each other out. Hate and resentment? Dude you need to turn that finger around and point it at yourself.
By the way that bitter taste is from you and your buddy Quadra sharing the same cup of koolaid.
It's interesting how an inferiority complex and narcissism can coexist in a person, I'll bet yours is a very intriguing case history. Don't bother looking for our tweets about you, they're encoded!
When I was young I was told ...."believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see".
What I "hear" is your "working with Macs, Windows-based computers, as well as Linux systems equally."
What I "see," when I look at the majority of your posts, is a distinct bias against Mac ... so again I have to wonder .... why do you even bother spending time on a Mac fan site ... bashing Apple? What is your agenda ?.... just askin'
It really isn't that hard to believe that people work on all platforms. Really this isn't Watergate. Even if someone doesn't own a Windows PC there are many Apple users that use Windows via bootcamp.
An internet forum is rarely a good example of what the public uses because its bias towards one side. It was even reported here that 85% of Apple users also use Windows. So the use of both is actually common not the other way around.
It's interesting how an inferiority complex and narcissism can coexist in a person
Dude don't be so hard on yourself. I think with a little bit of therapy and some medication you can work through all those issues. I have total faith in you.
Dude don't be so hard on yourself. I think with a little bit of therapy and some medication you can work through all those issues. I have total faith in you.
Ask yourself, as so many others have asked you, why are you logging on to an Apple focused site, spewing venom about Apple and Apple users? I understand you're in denial, lacking in self awareness, you're very clearly a extremely miserable person. Of the many posters who come here to 'troll' few exhibit the degree of outright, and very personal, hostility that you do. (They bash Apple, say Mac OS sucks, blah blah blah, but there's not typically the very personal personal sense of rage that you display.) You can try to put a bold face on it and pretend to laugh it off, but you really do have some serious issues you need to address.
Upon further examination by the Apple Finance Group in conjunction with the Apple Civil-Engineering Group its been determined that given the current market cap of MS and the number of physical structures that comprise the majority of Microsoft they WERE worth the powder to blow themselves straight to hell and perhaps enough left over for a Chocolate Mocha Frappuccino and perhaps a scone.
No, you're incorrect unfortunately...I didn't ask.
You can come on over and switch to OS X, sure...and turn around and follow the same pattern. Keep yourself in the dark, only follow what's right in front of your face. Being the sheep when the shepherds are idiots doesn't bode well for your IQ.
Bash Windows because right now you're not using it, and don't bother to read anything about it. But make sure you defend people who post bad things today about what shortcomings might have been true 5 years ago.
Time Machine, by the by, failed me miserably on my second backup attempt. It has since been turned off and I'm using iBackup. Firewire connected hard drive, too. It's a shame sometimes things just don't work the way you want them to.
Hey you seem like a decent guys, and intelligent for that matter, that's why I am engaging in a reply. For the time machine failure I have to say, no one is perfect, that said how long was my idolatry diatribe on superduper? Moreover the the fact that you found an excellent alternative isn't that something that speaks well on the platform?
You might not have asked directly, but you did imply, and are still saying how us switchers who have been burned by m$ should still show interests in their products. Well, as in any relation there's a time sometimes when it gets so strained that you ditch it and simply not look back. I am not being a "sheep" here, I have found a platform that suits my needs and I am sticking to it without wasting time researching alternatives that could be better spent educating myself, spending time with friends and loved ones, or the better half, going on holidays, working etc. etc. Why is that being a ship? I am in a position of having chosen the best most integrated platform for my digital life which makes it possible for me to not be out in the open market constantly on the look out for better things because I simply now apple will deliver earlier than anyone the most innovative and functional items. Sure, I have got an ebook reader on the side and a non apple nas, but those are minimal additions.
That's what technology is supposed to do, complement and enable our lives, not having us serve it instead. I d much rather spent more time on my platform finetuning it and finding ways to make it more productive instead of wondering about reading reviews about mostly crap products by m$. I mean for crying out loud the people used a 7 piece burger to launch windoze in japan, they leaked some fugly prototypes of mice just before apple released their magic mouse, their zune hd add had half the e chopped off on the word "marketplace" appearing on the screen, they set a special team for their flag ship internet explorer only to turn out a product that is the worst browser in most all respects than opera, ff and safari, their visionary leader predicted the iphone to be a huge failure, while they promoted tv like 15 sec ads for their app models. These guys are pathetic, they dont merit my interest.
The fact that in a 10,000 or so organization a half decent copied software may turn up once in a while which isn't a complete failure, that doesn't mean that I don't have better things to be doing than bothering about them.
That's pretty much the point, isn't it? As far as I can tell, Win7 is suggesting very hard that you limit your involvement in the file system to Users\\<Username>. It makes complete sense. If you're using the computer to manage your files, then why are you going to put files elsewhere? The rest of the house shouldn't really be any of the users concern.
I think you've missed the point here. He wasn't talking about user documents, he was talking about application files, and the way Windows apps have the tendency to throw files around all over the place, including system directories, when they install. An .app and an .exe are two completely different things. An .app is actually a directory that contains the resources a program needs to run. Everything goes in there, or into a very few well defined locations on the system, that are not 'system' directories. Thus the reference to file chaos.
To turn to your point about the GUI, then. It doesn't matter what's going on underneath as long as the operator can get done what he or she needs to do. I am not a developer or a tech nerd which puts me squarely in the significant proportion of the population who coulld care less about any of that.
Well, you care when you get a BSOD. What's going on underneath is just as important, in some ways, more important, that the GUI.
Ask yourself, as so many others have asked you, why are you logging on to an Apple focused site, spewing venom about Apple and Apple users? I understand you're in denial, lacking in self awareness, you're very clearly a extremely miserable person. Of the many posters who come here to 'troll' few exhibit the degree of outright, and very personal, hostility that you do. (They bash Apple, say Mac OS sucks, blah blah blah, but there's not typically the very personal personal sense of rage that you display.) You can try to put a bold face on it and pretend to laugh it off, but you really do have some serious issues you need to address.
Mouse,
You really need to get a grip on the situation. We are talking about technology not life and death. There is no venom, no one is scared or jealous. You know all the words you like to use. If you have this hard of a time on the internet with really benign subjects I hate to see how you deal with real life situations. Get a grip this really isn't that important.
If it upsets you that much you can simply put anyone that doesn't totally agree with you on ignore. However you seem to have a problem doing that. Which would be your problem not mine.
Your the typical extremist that acutally hates everyone that doesn't agree with you. You don't understand the concept of debate. Maybe you should take your four buddies and create your own forum where you can sit around and agree with each other all day long. It will be a real lovefest. If fact you could call it Apple Lovefest, you and Quadra can be the head moderators.
By the way if you want to follow me around I have already moved on to another thread.
Your the typical extremist that acutally hates everyone that doesn't agree with you.
I don't hate you, I pity you.
It really isn't that hard to believe that people work on all platforms. Really this isn't Watergate. Even if someone doesn't own a Windows PC there are many Apple users that use Windows via bootcamp.
An internet forum is rarely a good example of what the public uses because its bias towards one side. It was even reported here that 85% of Apple users also use Windows. So the use of both is actually common not the other way around.
If you took the time to really read my post you will see it is directed at DaHarder, not the public at large. ... big difference.
I'm a Mac guy myself, but honestly I think it took alot of class and courage to say something like this.. it's a very respectful thing to do, especially in a market where this kind of comment can eat you alive.
Not very many people at microsoft would have the integrity to say something like this.. nor would anyone at apple.
On rare occasions, Apple actually has had complimentary things to say about Microsoft. It happens!