Actually, Ted Turner beat BG to the punch by several years, (probably still under the spell of Jane Fonda, I know I would have been). He also challenged all other modern ceo's to match his giving up 50% of his fortune. Even so, a marvellous idea by anybody.
A lot of people give him a hard time, but I've always liked Gates--the man, not necessarily the biz practices. In appearances at computer shows I've attended, he's been warm and funny and generous with his praise for others. There are plenty of posters on these forums who can't live up to that kind of rep.
We're talking business, not charity. Charitable donations have no impact on product. They don't make my Macbook Pro go any faster or its casing any shinier. CEO philanthropy doesn't really figure into my purchasing decisions. Might mean something to investors, but judging by Apple's numbers and the confidence investors have in the company, it doesn't matter. Steve Jobs could give ZERO dollars and Apple would still turn out a record quarter and blow away The Street.
Bill Gates gives away a lot of his money. It doesn't comparatively mean all that much because he has plenty from which to give.
Steve Jobs only draws a $1 salary. It doesn't comparatively mean much because most of his wealth comes from the 138 million shares he owns of the Walt Disney Co., a 7.3 percent stake that makes him Disney's largest individual shareholder.
Either example is a good case for fairness, charitability, economy. But neither is really impressive if you're even remotely a purist.
We're talking business, not charity. Charitable donations have no impact on product. They don't make my Macbook Pro go any faster or its casing any shinier. CEO philanthropy doesn't really figure into my purchasing decisions. Might mean something to investors, but judging by Apple's numbers and the confidence investors have in the company, it doesn't matter. Steve Jobs could give ZERO dollars and Apple would still turn out a record quarter and blow away The Street.
Bill Gates gives away a lot of his money. It doesn't comparatively mean all that much because he has plenty from which to give.
Steve Jobs only draws a $1 salary. It doesn't comparatively mean much because most of his wealth comes from the 138 million shares he owns of the Walt Disney Co., a 7.3 percent stake that makes him Disney's largest individual shareholder.
Either example is a good case for fairness, charitability, economy. But neither is really impressive if you're even remotely a purist.
Yeah screw charity you know those poor people that can't afford a "premium" computer.
While that was positively true at one time, Im not sure that it is as true now. There are a lot of good people at Apple and you can see the necessary passion from a lot of of them in spite of the different roles within the company. You can see the passion J. Ive has in his videos, hear the excitement in Phil's voice during presentations, even Tim Cook sounds prideful when discussing the numbers. While the loss of SJ would no doubt be painful, I don't see it as spelling the demise of Apple. In any case, here's hoping that day is a long way off.
The problem isn't lack of passion. What would be missing if Steve was gone is the somewhat egomaniacal demand for perfection (or at least Steve Jobs' vision of perfection) along with the authority (as a cofounder) to make people obey without rebellion.
It wouldn't spell the demise of Apple, but we might start seeing more 'Microsoftian' mistakes at Apple without him. We'd certainly see more conservatism, fewer bold strokes, and much less 'vision discipline'. Apple may go from 'Insanely Great' to merely 'Great'. It's still a long throw from where Microsoft has been lo these many years.
Since he keeps that info to himself, I don't know. What really surprises me is that you don't know because you post like you know everything. In the end it doesn't really matter because whatever the amount it wouldn't please you.
Since he keeps that info to himself, I don't know. What really surprises me is that you don't know because you post like you know everything. In the end it doesn't really matter because whatever the amount it wouldn't please you.
Well I asked what are they not how much because I am curious. Too bad you read my post wrong once again. Sheesh.
Not sure were you got the bottom line or sales comments??
Is statement made prefect sense, he was being sarcastic to your comments
It doesn't make any sense because if it wasn't for our Capitalist country and our charity most of you would be living in 3rd world nations. In fact some of you are and just don't know it.
It doesn't make any sense because if it wasn't for our Capitalist country and our charity most of you would be living in 3rd world nations. In fact some of you are and just don't know it.
Hey we go again Politics, please leave it out of the discussion as reminded by moderators.
It doesn't make any sense because if it wasn't for our Capitalist country and our charity most of you would be living in 3rd world nations. In fact some of you are and just don't know it.
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2 indisputable geniuses of Tech! If Bill Gates didn't step down, MSFT would be $200+ too. His only mistake was trusting Steve "the Bonehead" Ballmer.
i think that's probably largely true. I think MS is kinda in their own dark age right now.
Actually, Ted Turner beat BG to the punch by several years, (probably still under the spell of Jane Fonda, I know I would have been). He also challenged all other modern ceo's to match his giving up 50% of his fortune. Even so, a marvellous idea by anybody.
And what are Steve Jobs donations again?
And what are Steve Jobs donations again?
Who cares.
We're talking business, not charity. Charitable donations have no impact on product. They don't make my Macbook Pro go any faster or its casing any shinier. CEO philanthropy doesn't really figure into my purchasing decisions. Might mean something to investors, but judging by Apple's numbers and the confidence investors have in the company, it doesn't matter. Steve Jobs could give ZERO dollars and Apple would still turn out a record quarter and blow away The Street.
Bill Gates gives away a lot of his money. It doesn't comparatively mean all that much because he has plenty from which to give.
Steve Jobs only draws a $1 salary. It doesn't comparatively mean much because most of his wealth comes from the 138 million shares he owns of the Walt Disney Co., a 7.3 percent stake that makes him Disney's largest individual shareholder.
Either example is a good case for fairness, charitability, economy. But neither is really impressive if you're even remotely a purist.
Who cares.
We're talking business, not charity. Charitable donations have no impact on product. They don't make my Macbook Pro go any faster or its casing any shinier. CEO philanthropy doesn't really figure into my purchasing decisions. Might mean something to investors, but judging by Apple's numbers and the confidence investors have in the company, it doesn't matter. Steve Jobs could give ZERO dollars and Apple would still turn out a record quarter and blow away The Street.
Bill Gates gives away a lot of his money. It doesn't comparatively mean all that much because he has plenty from which to give.
Steve Jobs only draws a $1 salary. It doesn't comparatively mean much because most of his wealth comes from the 138 million shares he owns of the Walt Disney Co., a 7.3 percent stake that makes him Disney's largest individual shareholder.
Either example is a good case for fairness, charitability, economy. But neither is really impressive if you're even remotely a purist.
Yeah screw charity you know those poor people that can't afford a "premium" computer.
You really are a major tool.
While that was positively true at one time, Im not sure that it is as true now. There are a lot of good people at Apple and you can see the necessary passion from a lot of of them in spite of the different roles within the company. You can see the passion J. Ive has in his videos, hear the excitement in Phil's voice during presentations, even Tim Cook sounds prideful when discussing the numbers. While the loss of SJ would no doubt be painful, I don't see it as spelling the demise of Apple. In any case, here's hoping that day is a long way off.
The problem isn't lack of passion. What would be missing if Steve was gone is the somewhat egomaniacal demand for perfection (or at least Steve Jobs' vision of perfection) along with the authority (as a cofounder) to make people obey without rebellion.
It wouldn't spell the demise of Apple, but we might start seeing more 'Microsoftian' mistakes at Apple without him. We'd certainly see more conservatism, fewer bold strokes, and much less 'vision discipline'. Apple may go from 'Insanely Great' to merely 'Great'. It's still a long throw from where Microsoft has been lo these many years.
And what are Steve Jobs donations again?
Since he keeps that info to himself, I don't know. What really surprises me is that you don't know because you post like you know everything. In the end it doesn't really matter because whatever the amount it wouldn't please you.
Yeah screw charity you know those poor people that can't afford a "premium" computer.
You really are a major tool.
Charity has its place. Just not in this conversation.
Yeah screw charity you know those poor people that can't afford a "premium" computer.
Yeah, filet mignon for everyone! For free. Otherwise, off with their heads!
And, by the way, long live capitalism!
In the end it doesn't really matter ....
So true.
You really are a major tool.
Mirror, mirror.....
Charity has its place. Just not in this conversation.
Actually this converation had nothing to do with the 'bottom line" or sales.
Yeah, filet mignon for everyone! For free. Otherwise, off with their heads!
And, by the way, long live capitalism!
Your statement doesn't even make sense, but that isn't anything new.
Actually this converation had nothing to do with the 'bottom line" or sales.
Not sure were you got the bottom line or sales comments??
Your statement doesn't even make sense, but that isn't anything new.
Is statement made prefect sense, he was being sarcastic to your comments
Since he keeps that info to himself, I don't know. What really surprises me is that you don't know because you post like you know everything. In the end it doesn't really matter because whatever the amount it wouldn't please you.
Well I asked what are they not how much because I am curious. Too bad you read my post wrong once again. Sheesh.
So true.
....that you both make no sense?
Not sure were you got the bottom line or sales comments??
Is statement made prefect sense, he was being sarcastic to your comments
It doesn't make any sense because if it wasn't for our Capitalist country and our charity most of you would be living in 3rd world nations. In fact some of you are and just don't know it.
It doesn't make any sense because if it wasn't for our Capitalist country and our charity most of you would be living in 3rd world nations. In fact some of you are and just don't know it.
Hey we go again Politics, please leave it out of the discussion as reminded by moderators.
It doesn't make any sense because if it wasn't for our Capitalist country and our charity most of you would be living in 3rd world nations. In fact some of you are and just don't know it.
Ah, the ugly American.