I own a mac and live in Oklahoma. Recently the burner stopped working. We have AppleCare so we took it in 2 days ago for repair. We just recieved a call today stating we needed to come get it because they are refusing to work on it due to health hazards from second hand smoke due to OSHA violations.
I pity the poor fool who works in a kitchen and needs a Mac. The french fry grease will clog it up not to mention all the Ratatouille hairs.
Never thought there would come a day a would decide never to buy a mac again but that day has come. When I paid my MacBook Pro they didn't say they couldn't accept my money because it was a biohazard so I wonder why they would consider my notebook a biohazard.
A big fuck you to Steve Jobs! What's next? People who eat meat can't send in their Macs for repair anymore?
My father, along with quite a few people he worked with, died because his employer thought it okay to knowingly let them work with known hazardous materials - asbestos.
How can you honestly be this upset with a company who is taking a stand to protect their workers from a known health hazard? Are the warranty repair workers supposed to die to fix computers that were not faulty in the first place, but were rather damaged by neglect of their owners? Owners who knowingly put carcinogens in their body and in their air?
Also a company who's CEO nearly died from cancer - you want him to force his workers to work with known carcinogens?
I'm not suggesting that anything be done about it. I am simply saying that the conditions exist, and that Steve does nothing about it for either his employees or the subcontractors. And that really is my only point. It seems very hypocritical to deny service based on the health of his service staff, and then to send his field staff into harms way. Don't you think?
Just a side note... Final assembly sites may be clean, but the factories supplying these unibody enclosures we all love are horrendously filthy.
No, I don?t agree. It?s like saying that a restaurant that wants there employees to wash their hands before returning to work is hypocritical because it?s serving food that used to shit wherever it was standing. They have nothing to do with each other.
Apple, like every other company that deals with China, is doing what it needs to protect it?s own employees, not a another companies employees. If they are being treated unfairly in accordance with that country, that is a different matter and many companies have stepped up to prevent that from happening, including Apple.
In the end, for a computer to be soiled to the point that second hand smoke is not just noticeable but needs to be cleaned out as it?s impeding a repair and/or diagnosis means that the machines has been misused and neglected. That is not the responsibility of any company under any warranty.
Cigarette smoke[huh?] and dust adhere to many things just not cigarette smoke and by lumping all together it gives that impression.
I've seen inside a lot of computers, both those used by smokers and those not. The ones used by smokers almost always have more "crap" in them.
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Also, there are many non- smokers that are dirty filthy disgusting slobs- don't generalize.
I said "people who smoke are often disgusting, dirty slobs." That's not generalizing any more than saying that smokers tend to get lung cancer more often. Saying that doesn't indicate that all smokers get lung cancer or that non-smokers never do.
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Is Barrack Obama a filthy dirty slob?
I don't honestly know. I somehow doubt that he has to do a lot of his own cleaning.
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Nope, smoking is not a good thing, it never has been a good thing, and it never will be a good thing. It damages the smoker, it damages the innocent bystander, and it lowers the respect others have of you. Not seeing any upshots to smoking here.
Well put. But there is one upshot: It is like a big warning sign that says "do not date this person!" You look at the cigarette hanging out of the mouth and you know that the person is likely to be less-educated, die sooner, have greater health problems, and be the type of person who caves to social pressure from peers. And before any of the smokers get their panties in twists, there are statistics and facts to support those beliefs.
Dander and dust stick to your computers components regardless of wether or not smoke from a cigarette started the problem. Hope no one here uses scented candles around the house because it does the same damned thing.
True, but it is more easily removed if not adhered with tar. A good air blast will remove most dust and dander, but tar based dirt must be either rubbed or chemically removed.
China has grown, but its limited in many ways. None of our modern technology has been invented in China. Technological advancements are mostly made in the US and Europe, China is used for manufacturing. Most of what China builds comes from other countries. The Chinese government restricts and limits its own ability innovate new ideas.
I would recommend watching the "Distant Voices" episode of James Burke's Connections as it shows you just how wrong that statement is. Much of our modern technology either came from or is dependent on Chinese (or Asian ideas)!
The Chinese were using the compass and stern post rudder in the 11th century--the West didn't have a clue until the later part of the 15th. The Chinese had the blast furnace and cupola furnace long before Julius Caeser was even born--the West didn't "invent" these until the 18th century some 2,000 years later! Around the same time the Chinese produced the first seismograph that could tell them how the earth moved and even where the main shock had come from.
The reason these technological advancements (and everything else China cranked out) didn't change China was due to their view of the world (Very similar to the Western Church from c450 to c1350) and a very stratified society that prevented personal advancement.
With the Ming dynasty China entered into its own "Dark Age" where technological development slowed to a crawl and in some cases previous advances were forgotten. The successive Qing dynasty had the problem of the East India Company in the 1700s hitting on the brilliant idea of using opium to pay for all the goods people wanted from China. The resulting Opium Wars further drained China's resources.
So counting China out is very short sighted--especially when you realize that the greatest general who ever lived was Chinese and his teachings has become the key to government, business, and warfare. In fact it was thanks to him that the US lost Vietnam:
When doing battle, seek a quick victory. (The US ignored this)
A protracted battle will blunt weapons and dampen ardor. (The US used this against Great Britain in the War of Independence)
If troops lay siege to a walled city, their strength will be exhausted.
If the army is exposed to a prolonged campaign, the nation's resources will not suffice.
I would recommend watching the "Distant Voices" episode of James Burke's Connections as it shows you just how wrong that statement is. Much of our modern technology either came from or is dependent on Chinese (or Asian ideas)!
He said modern technology. We all know that each invention is built upon the inventions that came before it as James Burke clearly points out and as you clearly state, "Much of our modern technology either came from or is dependent on Chinese (or Asian ideas)!? China either has not been at the forefront of new technological breakthroughs, or have simply been keeping them to themselves.
Something that was invented 10,000 years ago is not apart of contemporary modern technological advancement. I'm not denying that China invented very important advancements. Every ancient culture has contributed something to what we have today. But what I'm talking about is today
There is no Apple, Intel, Google, Twitter, or Facebook coming from China. And there won't be with their current political practices.
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I would recommend watching the "Distant Voices" episode of James Burke's Connections as it shows you just how wrong that statement is. Much of our modern technology either came from or is dependent on Chinese (or Asian ideas)!
The Chinese were using the compass and stern post rudder in the 11th century--the West didn't have a clue until the later part of the 15th. The Chinese had the blast furnace and cupola furnace long before Julius Caeser was even born--the West didn't "invent" these until the 18th century some 2,000 years later! Around the same time the Chinese produced the first seismograph that could tell them how the earth moved and even where the main shock had come from.
True, but it is more easily removed if not adhered with tar. A good air blast will remove most dust and dander, but tar based dirt must be either rubbed or chemically removed.
Exactlly. Besides I didn't know Apple had tar-ohmmeters
lol.
Oh and for the record they are not geniuses, they put in a disc, wait for the results and 80% of the time they send it out for repairs. And now to save $$$ it's mostly grownyourown mac specialist doing the job for a little above minium. Saw a guy there that has been a specalsy doing the growyourown for over ONE YEAR. The techs make $17 an hour. 5 years ago it was a lot mote and they were told not to approach customers. Nman have times changed.
I feel little sympathy for smokers in this situation. If your computer is so obviously smoke damaged, why should Apple be responsible for fixing it under warranty?
I once knew a chain smoker whose entire home was caked in a layer of brown tar. He was a computer technician and did most of his smoking around his own computers. It wreaked in his home and I can only imagine how the insides of his computers (not to mention his lungs) looked.
How is smoke damage from cigarette smoking different from smoke damage from a fire? Actually, it's probably worse because of the tar and length of exposure.
In California, smoking is illegal in the workplace and within 25ft of an entrance to a building that is used by employees or the public. It's also banned in most bars and restaurants. The town of Belmont, California banned smoking in all businesses and multi-story apartments and condominiums, effective January 2009.
There may be an argument that the computer was used in a workplace and/or a private home where smoking is banned and is therefore impaired by an illegal substance.
The owners of these machines will get little sympathy from me, and if I was a technician I would also consider refusing to work on a machine that was clearly affected by tobacco smoke.
First if the laptop looked like that on the inside then it maybe should have been denied service.
BUT then how would one clean that kind of mess? They can't open the chassis...that would definatley void the warranty.
Smoking is NOT illegal anywhere that I know of. If smoke residue can build up inside of a machine.....especially inside a laptop then one could argue that the machine design was at fault and not the fault of the owner who was doing nothing illegal.
So was the machine design at fault for not providing enough ventilation?
Or was the machine owner at fault for excessive smoking around the computer.....
Very very interesting!!!!
This is ferret ball hair. Ferret's should be illegal.
Really this looks like a home built rig and the guy didn't get his fans set up right.
This is truly mind-boggling, if true! Corporatism at its worst. Can't they wear some gloves and a mask?! Where are we heading next? Apple campus is going to be sealed off in an antiseptic bubble?
At the least, I hope Apple refunded their money.
Does your car warranty cover the removal of bio hazards? Before anyone else gets caught up the the reactionary screaming tea baggers movement of "I hate facts" maybe check them:
Because your parroting all of his don't-regulate-business, free-market-solves-everything crap.
Mr. "Intellectual" - free trade is not even close to a Ron Paul's invention, nor does he have a monopoly on it. That's an F in economics to go along with your F in history.
Nobody cares about Ron Paul here but you. Why don't you two get a room?
Considering your argument consists of a lame citing of Child Labor laws and obscure mining equipment regulations to support your "government knows best and solves all" argument, you appear to have a very weak case. I'll give you one more chance, then I'll argue your own side for you. Only because I can't stand your incompetence.
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I am an actual intellectual. My mistake was in assuming that you had a better understanding of politics than you do.
I believe you have completely misidentified your mistake(s) AND you are totally unqualified to self-apply the title "intellectual". Without a resumé, very difficult to prove. Love to hear about your breakthroughs in physics and the classic literature you've authored.
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I didn't compare them to any of those people. I just showed the stupidity of your "logic" in which you imply that we shouldn't say bad things about smokers because some smokers also did good things. Again, I overestimated you.
Nice try on the "I am rubber and you are glue" defense with the selective quoting.
Yes, you did indeed equate smokers with rapists. Try accepting responsibility for your own words. Maybe when you got all agitated & irrational it's easy forget the details?
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Maybe you've done nothing to be proud of, never accomplished anything of significance, but that would be an area where we differ.
I said neither you or I, are as rad as serial smokers Mark Twain or Albert Einstein, after you denigrated everyone who smokes as inferior to non-smokers. If that offends your sense of accomplishment - get used to it.
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So what? If I can find four pedophiles, six rapists, and someone who tortured animals that smoked, would that mean have any bearing on whether smoking should be viewed in a positive light?
Again - YOU equated smokers with rapists and pedophiles. I know this is difficult when you're frothing and spewing, but just go back a few pages and re-read.
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Yes.
Good luck with that. Everybody else disagrees with you - called a free society. Start asking around and see how many people want the government deciding what they can do.
*Remedial History Lesson*
According to the Constitution and Bill of Rights, the People only grant specific, limited powers to the Government. Not the other way around.
*Homework*
Read the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and The Federalist Papers for background/detailed explanations.
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No.
See above.
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I don't care what they want. The fact that a mining company can find economically desperate people does not mean that the government should let the company send those people down without respirators, poisonous gas detectors, hearing protection, and eye protection.
You are correct... but only in your fairy tale world where all the big bad companies chain mindless workers in their sugar mines. I know this is a foreign concept, but most people can think for themselves and make big boy decisions.
1. A lot of people that work in mining are pretty damned educated and specialized in their field. But in your world, mining companies are evil, and see their experienced workforce as expendable, unless the government steps in. I guess they must have endless supply of money and poor people to keep retraining, and that nobody of a senior status ever sets foot in a mine? Think I might see your problem with tobacco now, do you prefer to smoke crack?
2. You're a big fan of government solutions, I'm surprised you've never heard of welfare. You must think poor people are so desperate that they'll work in super dangerous mines? Poor Tiny Tim with coal on his cheeks, a crutch in one hand and a pick axe in the other?
3. You think only the miners are affected in a disaster? How about the mining company? Why would they, in your wildest fantasies want a mine to collapse, stop their productivity, and lose all that money in the market? The government needs to remind them of this? How will their evil CEOs buy Ferraris?
Obviously, you haven't thought this through.
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You act like you said something profound when all you did was expose your failure to reason and think critically.
Dude, you got pØwned. No amount of selective quoting can change that.
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Very. It's why McDonalds and Walmart can't have 12 year olds working 12 hour days seven days a week.
Profound, but you're ignoring the part where you said "government regulation" led to this. Kind of like saying US laws concerning theft, led to the prevailing notion that theft is bad. Try again.
Once again - it's common knowledge and undisputed that Child Labor laws/the government were ineffective in changing the abuses of children in this country during the Industrial Revolution and all that textile mill stuff you slept through in history. Your insistence of your ignorance is not a defense.
Pick a university, write their history department about it. In the meantime... I'll have fries with that.
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I own a mac and live in Oklahoma. Recently the burner stopped working. We have AppleCare so we took it in 2 days ago for repair. We just recieved a call today stating we needed to come get it because they are refusing to work on it due to health hazards from second hand smoke due to OSHA violations.
I pity the poor fool who works in a kitchen and needs a Mac. The french fry grease will clog it up not to mention all the Ratatouille hairs.
Never thought there would come a day a would decide never to buy a mac again but that day has come. When I paid my MacBook Pro they didn't say they couldn't accept my money because it was a biohazard so I wonder why they would consider my notebook a biohazard.
A big fuck you to Steve Jobs! What's next? People who eat meat can't send in their Macs for repair anymore?
My father, along with quite a few people he worked with, died because his employer thought it okay to knowingly let them work with known hazardous materials - asbestos.
How can you honestly be this upset with a company who is taking a stand to protect their workers from a known health hazard? Are the warranty repair workers supposed to die to fix computers that were not faulty in the first place, but were rather damaged by neglect of their owners? Owners who knowingly put carcinogens in their body and in their air?
Also a company who's CEO nearly died from cancer - you want him to force his workers to work with known carcinogens?
Actually among the 40 largest cities, NYC air quality is comparatively good.
NYC is 31 out of 40, with 40 being the best.
America's Most Toxic Cities
OK- Denver then.
I'm not suggesting that anything be done about it. I am simply saying that the conditions exist, and that Steve does nothing about it for either his employees or the subcontractors. And that really is my only point. It seems very hypocritical to deny service based on the health of his service staff, and then to send his field staff into harms way. Don't you think?
Just a side note... Final assembly sites may be clean, but the factories supplying these unibody enclosures we all love are horrendously filthy.
No, I don?t agree. It?s like saying that a restaurant that wants there employees to wash their hands before returning to work is hypocritical because it?s serving food that used to shit wherever it was standing. They have nothing to do with each other.
Apple, like every other company that deals with China, is doing what it needs to protect it?s own employees, not a another companies employees. If they are being treated unfairly in accordance with that country, that is a different matter and many companies have stepped up to prevent that from happening, including Apple.
In the end, for a computer to be soiled to the point that second hand smoke is not just noticeable but needs to be cleaned out as it?s impeding a repair and/or diagnosis means that the machines has been misused and neglected. That is not the responsibility of any company under any warranty.
Cigarette smoke[huh?] and dust adhere to many things just not cigarette smoke and by lumping all together it gives that impression.
I've seen inside a lot of computers, both those used by smokers and those not. The ones used by smokers almost always have more "crap" in them.
Also, there are many non- smokers that are dirty filthy disgusting slobs- don't generalize.
I said "people who smoke are often disgusting, dirty slobs." That's not generalizing any more than saying that smokers tend to get lung cancer more often. Saying that doesn't indicate that all smokers get lung cancer or that non-smokers never do.
Is Barrack Obama a filthy dirty slob?
I don't honestly know. I somehow doubt that he has to do a lot of his own cleaning.
Nope, smoking is not a good thing, it never has been a good thing, and it never will be a good thing. It damages the smoker, it damages the innocent bystander, and it lowers the respect others have of you. Not seeing any upshots to smoking here.
Well put. But there is one upshot: It is like a big warning sign that says "do not date this person!" You look at the cigarette hanging out of the mouth and you know that the person is likely to be less-educated, die sooner, have greater health problems, and be the type of person who caves to social pressure from peers. And before any of the smokers get their panties in twists, there are statistics and facts to support those beliefs.
Dander and dust stick to your computers components regardless of wether or not smoke from a cigarette started the problem. Hope no one here uses scented candles around the house because it does the same damned thing.
True, but it is more easily removed if not adhered with tar. A good air blast will remove most dust and dander, but tar based dirt must be either rubbed or chemically removed.
I've seen inside a lot of computers, both those used by smokers and those not. The ones used by smokers almost always have more "crap" in them.
Have you ever looked inside a computer regularly used near a kitchen, a beach house, a fireplace, etc, etc???
You don't have to be a smoker to have a clogged up filthy computer with "crap" in it.
China has grown, but its limited in many ways. None of our modern technology has been invented in China. Technological advancements are mostly made in the US and Europe, China is used for manufacturing. Most of what China builds comes from other countries. The Chinese government restricts and limits its own ability innovate new ideas.
I would recommend watching the "Distant Voices" episode of James Burke's Connections as it shows you just how wrong that statement is. Much of our modern technology either came from or is dependent on Chinese (or Asian ideas)!
The Chinese were using the compass and stern post rudder in the 11th century--the West didn't have a clue until the later part of the 15th. The Chinese had the blast furnace and cupola furnace long before Julius Caeser was even born--the West didn't "invent" these until the 18th century some 2,000 years later! Around the same time the Chinese produced the first seismograph that could tell them how the earth moved and even where the main shock had come from.
The reason these technological advancements (and everything else China cranked out) didn't change China was due to their view of the world (Very similar to the Western Church from c450 to c1350) and a very stratified society that prevented personal advancement.
With the Ming dynasty China entered into its own "Dark Age" where technological development slowed to a crawl and in some cases previous advances were forgotten. The successive Qing dynasty had the problem of the East India Company in the 1700s hitting on the brilliant idea of using opium to pay for all the goods people wanted from China. The resulting Opium Wars further drained China's resources.
So counting China out is very short sighted--especially when you realize that the greatest general who ever lived was Chinese and his teachings has become the key to government, business, and warfare. In fact it was thanks to him that the US lost Vietnam:
When doing battle, seek a quick victory. (The US ignored this)
A protracted battle will blunt weapons and dampen ardor. (The US used this against Great Britain in the War of Independence)
If troops lay siege to a walled city, their strength will be exhausted.
If the army is exposed to a prolonged campaign, the nation's resources will not suffice.
Sun Tzu (c544?c496 BCE)
I would recommend watching the "Distant Voices" episode of James Burke's Connections as it shows you just how wrong that statement is. Much of our modern technology either came from or is dependent on Chinese (or Asian ideas)!
He said modern technology. We all know that each invention is built upon the inventions that came before it as James Burke clearly points out and as you clearly state, "Much of our modern technology either came from or is dependent on Chinese (or Asian ideas)!? China either has not been at the forefront of new technological breakthroughs, or have simply been keeping them to themselves.
There is no Apple, Intel, Google, Twitter, or Facebook coming from China. And there won't be with their current political practices.
I would recommend watching the "Distant Voices" episode of James Burke's Connections as it shows you just how wrong that statement is. Much of our modern technology either came from or is dependent on Chinese (or Asian ideas)!
The Chinese were using the compass and stern post rudder in the 11th century--the West didn't have a clue until the later part of the 15th. The Chinese had the blast furnace and cupola furnace long before Julius Caeser was even born--the West didn't "invent" these until the 18th century some 2,000 years later! Around the same time the Chinese produced the first seismograph that could tell them how the earth moved and even where the main shock had come from.
There is no Apple, Intel, Google, Twitter, or Facebook coming from China. And there won't be with their current political practices.
Pingala invented Facebook because he developed a binary numeral system in 200 BCE. Back then it might have been called MukhBook.
Pingala invented Facebook because he developed a binary numeral system in 200 BCE. Back then it might have been called MukhBook.
No it doesn't. That stuff is most certainly NOT from dust. That is some serious buildup and it doesn't look safe. At all. I wouldn't touch that thing.
Yeah it s. I'm talking about LA. And the soot on the cars outside is from smokers too? LOL. google Los Angeles air quality spring summer.
Yeah it s. I'm talking about LA. And the soot on the cars outside is from smokers too? LOL. google Los Angeles air quality spring summer.
True, but it is more easily removed if not adhered with tar. A good air blast will remove most dust and dander, but tar based dirt must be either rubbed or chemically removed.
Exactlly. Besides I didn't know Apple had tar-ohmmeters
lol.
Oh and for the record they are not geniuses, they put in a disc, wait for the results and 80% of the time they send it out for repairs. And now to save $$$ it's mostly grownyourown mac specialist doing the job for a little above minium. Saw a guy there that has been a specalsy doing the growyourown for over ONE YEAR. The techs make $17 an hour. 5 years ago it was a lot mote and they were told not to approach customers. Nman have times changed.
I once knew a chain smoker whose entire home was caked in a layer of brown tar. He was a computer technician and did most of his smoking around his own computers. It wreaked in his home and I can only imagine how the insides of his computers (not to mention his lungs) looked.
How is smoke damage from cigarette smoking different from smoke damage from a fire? Actually, it's probably worse because of the tar and length of exposure.
Smoking is NOT illegal anywhere that I know of.
In California, smoking is illegal in the workplace and within 25ft of an entrance to a building that is used by employees or the public. It's also banned in most bars and restaurants. The town of Belmont, California banned smoking in all businesses and multi-story apartments and condominiums, effective January 2009.
There may be an argument that the computer was used in a workplace and/or a private home where smoking is banned and is therefore impaired by an illegal substance.
The owners of these machines will get little sympathy from me, and if I was a technician I would also consider refusing to work on a machine that was clearly affected by tobacco smoke.
Now this brings up a few things......
First if the laptop looked like that on the inside then it maybe should have been denied service.
BUT then how would one clean that kind of mess? They can't open the chassis...that would definatley void the warranty.
Smoking is NOT illegal anywhere that I know of. If smoke residue can build up inside of a machine.....especially inside a laptop then one could argue that the machine design was at fault and not the fault of the owner who was doing nothing illegal.
So was the machine design at fault for not providing enough ventilation?
Or was the machine owner at fault for excessive smoking around the computer.....
Very very interesting!!!!
This is ferret ball hair. Ferret's should be illegal.
Really this looks like a home built rig and the guy didn't get his fans set up right.
This is truly mind-boggling, if true! Corporatism at its worst. Can't they wear some gloves and a mask?! Where are we heading next? Apple campus is going to be sealed off in an antiseptic bubble?
At the least, I hope Apple refunded their money.
Does your car warranty cover the removal of bio hazards? Before anyone else gets caught up the the reactionary screaming tea baggers movement of "I hate facts" maybe check them:
http://www.topix.com/album/detail/ro...63JQKGCNFCSDBQ
Because your parroting all of his don't-regulate-business, free-market-solves-everything crap.
Mr. "Intellectual" - free trade is not even close to a Ron Paul's invention, nor does he have a monopoly on it. That's an F in economics to go along with your F in history.
Nobody cares about Ron Paul here but you. Why don't you two get a room?
Considering your argument consists of a lame citing of Child Labor laws and obscure mining equipment regulations to support your "government knows best and solves all" argument, you appear to have a very weak case. I'll give you one more chance, then I'll argue your own side for you. Only because I can't stand your incompetence.
I am an actual intellectual. My mistake was in assuming that you had a better understanding of politics than you do.
I believe you have completely misidentified your mistake(s) AND you are totally unqualified to self-apply the title "intellectual". Without a resumé, very difficult to prove. Love to hear about your breakthroughs in physics and the classic literature you've authored.
I didn't compare them to any of those people. I just showed the stupidity of your "logic" in which you imply that we shouldn't say bad things about smokers because some smokers also did good things. Again, I overestimated you.
Nice try on the "I am rubber and you are glue" defense with the selective quoting.
Yes, you did indeed equate smokers with rapists. Try accepting responsibility for your own words. Maybe when you got all agitated & irrational it's easy forget the details?
Maybe you've done nothing to be proud of, never accomplished anything of significance, but that would be an area where we differ.
I said neither you or I, are as rad as serial smokers Mark Twain or Albert Einstein, after you denigrated everyone who smokes as inferior to non-smokers. If that offends your sense of accomplishment - get used to it.
So what? If I can find four pedophiles, six rapists, and someone who tortured animals that smoked, would that mean have any bearing on whether smoking should be viewed in a positive light?
Again - YOU equated smokers with rapists and pedophiles. I know this is difficult when you're frothing and spewing, but just go back a few pages and re-read.
Yes.
Good luck with that. Everybody else disagrees with you - called a free society. Start asking around and see how many people want the government deciding what they can do.
*Remedial History Lesson*
According to the Constitution and Bill of Rights, the People only grant specific, limited powers to the Government. Not the other way around.
*Homework*
Read the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, and The Federalist Papers for background/detailed explanations.
No.
See above.
I don't care what they want. The fact that a mining company can find economically desperate people does not mean that the government should let the company send those people down without respirators, poisonous gas detectors, hearing protection, and eye protection.
You are correct... but only in your fairy tale world where all the big bad companies chain mindless workers in their sugar mines. I know this is a foreign concept, but most people can think for themselves and make big boy decisions.
1. A lot of people that work in mining are pretty damned educated and specialized in their field. But in your world, mining companies are evil, and see their experienced workforce as expendable, unless the government steps in. I guess they must have endless supply of money and poor people to keep retraining, and that nobody of a senior status ever sets foot in a mine? Think I might see your problem with tobacco now, do you prefer to smoke crack?
2. You're a big fan of government solutions, I'm surprised you've never heard of welfare. You must think poor people are so desperate that they'll work in super dangerous mines? Poor Tiny Tim with coal on his cheeks, a crutch in one hand and a pick axe in the other?
3. You think only the miners are affected in a disaster? How about the mining company? Why would they, in your wildest fantasies want a mine to collapse, stop their productivity, and lose all that money in the market? The government needs to remind them of this? How will their evil CEOs buy Ferraris?
Obviously, you haven't thought this through.
You act like you said something profound when all you did was expose your failure to reason and think critically.
Dude, you got pØwned. No amount of selective quoting can change that.
Very. It's why McDonalds and Walmart can't have 12 year olds working 12 hour days seven days a week.
Profound, but you're ignoring the part where you said "government regulation" led to this. Kind of like saying US laws concerning theft, led to the prevailing notion that theft is bad. Try again.
Once again - it's common knowledge and undisputed that Child Labor laws/the government were ineffective in changing the abuses of children in this country during the Industrial Revolution and all that textile mill stuff you slept through in history. Your insistence of your ignorance is not a defense.
Pick a university, write their history department about it. In the meantime... I'll have fries with that.