The title of this article is a bit misleading. If I brought my macbook pro in and they found it to be full of grass clippings, the article would be titled "Mowing may void Applecare warranty". Pure shock value.
The truth is that if I mowed with my computer, and a foreign substance got inside that impeded the workings of the system, it would not be covered.
Thank god I kicked my mowing and surfing habit years ago!
Never thought there would come a day a would decide never to buy a mac again but that day has come. When I paid my MacBook Pro they didn't say they couldn't accept my money because it was a biohazard so I wonder why they would consider my notebook a biohazard.
A big fuck you to Steve Jobs! What's next? People who eat meat can't send in their Macs for repair anymore?
Cigarette smoke and dust adhere to many things just not cigarette smoke and by lumping all together it gives that impression. Also, there are many non- smokers that are dirty filthy disgusting slobs- don't generalize. Is Barrack Obama a filthy dirty slob? There are many respectable smokers.
You're confusing the person to the habit and therefore aren't really making a point.
Just because they do or don't smoke doesn't mean they are or aren't respectable but in no way shape or form is sucking back on a tar inducing, 400 toxic chemical, phallic shaped, entity respectable.
The cigarette has all these toxic chemicals basically to mask the taste of tobacco in the first place. Now if no one would really smoke tobacco in the first place then there'd be not as many smokers today would there?
But the only reason people start smoking is because they're not man enough to say "No" when peer pressure comes knocking. People want to fit in so if all their friends are smoking then instead of finding new friends or standing up and saying "NO!" and "Please don't smoke around me" they start to smoke. Instead of being their own person they try and change themselves to fit in with other people's ideas of what they should be like. It's really quite sad. If they feel you need to change into something that goes against everything you believe in then they are no friends of yours because real friends will take you as you are and respect you for it.
Nope, smoking is not a good thing, it never has been a good thing, and it never will be a good thing. It damages the smoker, it damages the innocent bystander, and it lowers the respect others have of you. Not seeing any upshots to smoking here.
Cigarette smoke leaves a residue that causes things like dust and cat hair to adhere to inside of the computer.
Dander and dust stick to your computers components regardless of wether or not smoke from a cigarette started the problem. Hope no one here uses scented candles around the house because it does the same damned thing.
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- There are "too many rules" in the USA? The USA is one of the least rule dominated countries on earth.
I know I'm being mean to the smokers by being so strident, but hey that's the only thing that actually works with drug addicts.
gazoobee, you never cease to amaze. 1) the USA is by far the most litigious country in the world. So yes we have "too many rules" and not enough personal responsibility. 2) No one needs "tough love" from a self righteous individual (Oh sorry strident individual) like you. I suppose that you're not addicted to sugar, caffeine, sex or your own endorphins and body chemistry? We are all addicts in one way or another. At least the rest of the world has a mark to reach for and thank you for being perfect so that the rest of the "morons" have something to live up to.
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Originally Posted by lowededwookie
I hate smokers. Why should I have to breath in their UNFILTERED smoke, inhaling 400 different chemicals ALL harmful to the human body merely because you're too weak willed to give up and you need a fix?
I like how you started out and then you lost me. First of all, if you live in a metropolitan city like LA, Atlanta, Chicago or NY you're breathing in far more than just "400 chemicals" on your walk to the office. I know lots off people that can't understand why they have asthma and bronchitis because they are joggers; well they love to jog on the west side highway as if that makes any sense.
As far as you personal anecdote, If you don't wear a mask that's your fault. OSHA requirements are not to be taken lightly and yet workers ignore regulations all of the time. If you can't wear a mask then that is the individuals fault because it is their responsibility and their choice not to wear protective equipment. "Uncomfortable" and "hard to work while wearing it" are all excuses that many dead and permanently injured workers commonly use/ used. OSHA's biggest problem has to do with that sort of complacent thinking; so keep thinking that way so my company can keep making OSHA safety videos on the tax payers dime. It's been our best year yet!
Wow. I can't even relate to that. My MBP, keyboard - everything, is absolutely spotless.
Tip: one of the best cleaners (that won't damage surfaces) is Windex. At least the current formula is safe. Obviously, wet a cloth with it rather than spraying it on directly.
gazoobee, you never cease to amaze. 1) the USA is by far the most litigious country in the world. So yes we have "too many rules" and not enough personal responsibility. 2) No one needs "tough love" from a self righteous individual (Oh sorry strident individual) like you. I suppose that you're not addicted to sugar, caffeine, sex or your own endorphins and body chemistry? We are all addicts in one way or another. At least the rest of the world has a mark to reach for and thank you for being perfect so that the rest of the "morons" have something to live up to.
When the US is spoken of being litigious. That's talking about private litigation between two party's. That's completely different from governmental regulation. Which the US is not the most strict.
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I like how you started out and then you lost me. First of all, if you live in a metropolitan city like LA, Atlanta, Chicago or NY you're breathing in far more than just "400 chemicals" on your walk to the office. I know lots off people that can't understand why they have asthma and bronchitis because they are joggers; well they love to jog on the west side highway as if that makes any sense.
The air quality in major cities is not equal to sitting in a closed room with second hand smoke. You are stretching you point a bit thin.
Do you have proof that these workers have no choice in the matter and are not able to quite work if they so choose? Are you implying that the Chinese factories that make Apple?s products are less healthy than the Chinese factories that make all other products in the world?
No... You're right. They have a choice. but I've been to these factories, and seen the thousands and thousands of teenagers who they bring in from thousands of miles away to work the lines. So, It's not much of a choice.
Not the point... Apple employees don't walk into other factories. If you've ever been into the massive machine shops with air so polluted with machine oil that the filters on the air handling equipment get black within a matter of hours, and the kids walking around with (or without) a simple mask on... well, you get my drift. The environment is not healthy for anyone.
I like how you started out and then you lost me. First of all, if you live in a metropolitan city like LA, Atlanta, Chicago or NY you're breathing in far more than just "400 chemicals" on your walk to the office. I know lots off people that can't understand why they have asthma and bronchitis because they are joggers; well they love to jog on the west side highway as if that makes any sense.
As far as you personal anecdote, If you don't wear a mask that's your fault. OSHA requirements are not to be taken lightly and yet workers ignore regulations all of the time. If you can't wear a mask then that is the individuals fault because it is their responsibility and their choice not to wear protective equipment. "Uncomfortable" and "hard to work while wearing it" are all excuses that many dead and permanently injured workers commonly use/ used. OSHA's biggest problem has to do with that sort of complacent thinking; so keep thinking that way so my company can keep making OSHA safety videos on the tax payers dime. It's been our best year yet!
I don't really live in a metropolitan area although I do work in one but considering I live in New Zealand our most metropolitan area (Auckland) is less of a risk than most other countries. I work in Wellington which is barely over 400,000 people so the risks I receive from the air from normal activity is less than if I was standing next to a smoker.
There's actually some towns and cities, with more coming along the way, here in New Zealand that have a total outright ban of smoking in public places which includes parks, the street, pubs, etc. I applaud those places but when you see that these places are some really beautiful spots you understand why they took the stance.
90% of all litter in New Zealand is cigarette butts. Please tell me how smoking is making the world a better place.
As for the mask there is no legal obligation for workers in the IT industry to wear masks here in New Zealand. The problem I have is that most masks for me are ineffectual anyway because they never seem to mold to my face properly so there's always spots that allow the air to get in and thus the germs, and smoke, etc to enter my body. If that's the case then it doesn't matter if I'm wearing a mask or not. I'd prefer to wear a mask but if it doesn't work then it doesn't make sense to do so either. I am however thinking of designing one that will work but these things take time.
No... You're right. They have a choice. but I've been to these factories, and seen the thousands and thousands of teenagers who they bring in from thousands of miles away to work the lines. So, It's not much of a choice.
I have no doubt that the conditions are worse than the US. If we have a problem with the Chinese gov?t?s treatment of their people then we should boycott any and all products from China or try to make changes within the country. I?d say the latter will do no good as an outsider and former the will do nothing but make these people lose their jobs if you can get enough people to stop buying Chinese products. Things are changing the way all societies change when a country becomes wealthy from industrialization. I can?t fight this battle as there is no solution so I?m not going to worry about it. That which we cannot prevent we must endure.
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Not the point... Apple employees don't walk into other factories. If you've ever been into the massive machine shops with air so polluted with machine oil that the filters on the air handling equipment get black within a matter of hours, and the kids walking around with (or without) a simple mask on... well, you get my drift. The environment is not healthy for anyone.
I can?t see that being the case for any factory assembling Apple products. You need a clean environment.
I own a mac and live in Oklahoma. Recently the burner stopped working. We have AppleCare so we took it in 2 days ago for repair. We just recieved a call today stating we needed to come get it because they are refusing to work on it due to health hazards from second hand smoke due to OSHA violations.
I own a mac and live in Oklahoma. Recently the burner stopped working. We have AppleCare so we took it in 2 days ago for repair. We just recieved a call today stating we needed to come get it because they are refusing to work on it due to health hazards from second hand smoke due to OSHA violations.
I think it?s a stupid reason to give when misuse neglect are obviously visably noticable if you can see second-hand smoke and dust build up.
Why don?t you take it apart and clean it out yourself before sending it in. Hell, it may even fix the problem. If you see the build up then the laser is likely coated.
If we have a problem with the Chinese gov?t?s treatment of their people then we should boycott any and all products from China or try to make changes within the country.
Good luck on that considering much of the world's products are actually produced in China thanks to the corporate mentality that they can save money by exploiting developing nations. What's funny though is China owns the majority of America's debt so if America pushed actions like what you're suggesting then China only needs to call back its debt which America can't pay and America would be more bankrupt than Argentina was.
The thing with China though is that it's advancing quicker than any other nation so while in the short term it's got a lot of problems in the long run it will have fixed those problems and become a nation to aspire to. It's environmental actions are already beginning to be in excess of America's so people really shouldn't rail on China because it really has come a long way in such a short time and will quickly become the most advanced civilisation like it used to be. I mean we're talking about a nation that invented gunpowder, paper money, the piston engine, earthquake measuring, and other things we take for granted.
China's not really doing anything other nations like America aren't doing it's just that with such a massive population the problem gets more exposed.
It would be a hoot if the President sent in his computer to Apple (if he has a Mac) for servicing and they refused to fix it because of smoke contamination.
Good luck on that considering much of the world's products are actually produced in China thanks to the corporate mentality that they can save money by exploiting developing nations. What's funny though is China owns the majority of America's debt so if America pushed actions like what you're suggesting then China only needs to call back its debt which America can't pay and America would be more bankrupt than Argentina was.
China isn't going to call in the debt. The US is essentially borrowing back the money that we have pumped into the Chinese economy.
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The thing with China though is that it's advancing quicker than any other nation so while in the short term it's got a lot of problems in the long run it will have fixed those problems and become a nation to aspire to. It's environmental actions are already beginning to be in excess of America's so people really shouldn't rail on China because it really has come a long way in such a short time and will quickly become the most advanced civilisation like it used to be. I mean we're talking about a nation that invented gunpowder, paper money, the piston engine, earthquake measuring, and other things we take for granted.
China has grown, but its limited in many ways. None of our modern technology has been invented in China. Technological advancements are mostly made in the US and Europe, China is used for manufacturing. Most of what China builds comes from other countries. The Chinese government restricts and limits its own ability innovate new ideas.
A]Name one country where it's illegal -- it's certainly not illegal in the US, where I live.
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Well this is your mistake, you are assuming that everywhere is like the USA. In Canada it's illegal in most public places, all indoor public places, all restaurants, bars, and public buildings and on all sidewalks within 10 metres of the building. You can smoke in your car, your house, and on a residential sidewalk but that's about it. New laws will be coming into effect banning even more places next year. There are countries with more severe restrictions than us, but I am not going to look them up for you.
Never mind that there are places in the US that have laws this restrictive List of smoking bans in the United States; Pasadena, CA is one such example. Even here in Las Cruces, NM smoking is very restrictive and they are planning to join California, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Maine in banning smoking in a car if you have kids with you.
I have no doubt that the conditions are worse than the US. If we have a problem with the Chinese gov?t?s treatment of their people then we should boycott any and all products from China or try to make changes within the country. I?d say the latter will do no good as an outsider and former the will do nothing but make these people lose their jobs if you can get enough people to stop buying Chinese products. Things are changing the way all societies change when a country becomes wealthy from industrialization. I can?t fight this battle as there is no solution so I?m not going to worry about it. That which we cannot prevent we must endure.
I can?t see that being the case for any factory assembling Apple products. You need a clean environment.
I'm not suggesting that anything be done about it. I am simply saying that the conditions exist, and that Steve does nothing about it for either his employees or the subcontractors. And that really is my only point. It seems very hypocritical to deny service based on the health of his service staff, and then to send his field staff into harms way. Don't you think?
Just a side note... Final assembly sites may be clean, but the factories supplying these unibody enclosures we all love are horrendously filthy.
I don't really live in a metropolitan area although I do work in one but considering I live in New Zealand our most metropolitan area (Auckland) is less of a risk than most other countries. I work in Wellington which is barely over 400,000 people so the risks I receive from the air from normal activity is less than if I was standing next to a smoker.
There's actually some towns and cities, with more coming along the way, here in New Zealand that have a total outright ban of smoking in public places which includes parks, the street, pubs, etc. I applaud those places but when you see that these places are some really beautiful spots you understand why they took the stance.
90% of all litter in New Zealand is cigarette butts. Please tell me how smoking is making the world a better place.
As for the mask there is no legal obligation for workers in the IT industry to wear masks here in New Zealand. The problem I have is that most masks for me are ineffectual anyway because they never seem to mold to my face properly so there's always spots that allow the air to get in and thus the germs, and smoke, etc to enter my body. If that's the case then it doesn't matter if I'm wearing a mask or not. I'd prefer to wear a mask but if it doesn't work then it doesn't make sense to do so either. I am however thinking of designing one that will work but these things take time.
Dude- that's not my post- why are you attributing that to me? It's too long for one thing.
I'm not suggesting that anything be done about it. I am simply saying that the conditions exist, and that Steve does nothing about it for either his employees or the subcontractors. And that really is my only point. It seems very hypocritical to deny service based on the health of his service staff, and then to send his field staff into harms way. Don't you think?
Are you saying when people from Apple go over to China, they are exposed to the conditions in China, and that Jobs should do more to protect them?
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Just a side note... Final assembly sites may be clean, but the factories supplying these unibody enclosures we all love are horrendously filthy.
Are you talking about the metal smelting factories? Its not exactly a clean process. And actually much to the benefit of the US environmentally that its not done here any more.
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The truth is that if I mowed with my computer, and a foreign substance got inside that impeded the workings of the system, it would not be covered.
Thank god I kicked my mowing and surfing habit years ago!
Never thought there would come a day a would decide never to buy a mac again but that day has come. When I paid my MacBook Pro they didn't say they couldn't accept my money because it was a biohazard so I wonder why they would consider my notebook a biohazard.
A big fuck you to Steve Jobs! What's next? People who eat meat can't send in their Macs for repair anymore?
Cigarette smoke and dust adhere to many things just not cigarette smoke and by lumping all together it gives that impression. Also, there are many non- smokers that are dirty filthy disgusting slobs- don't generalize. Is Barrack Obama a filthy dirty slob? There are many respectable smokers.
You're confusing the person to the habit and therefore aren't really making a point.
Just because they do or don't smoke doesn't mean they are or aren't respectable but in no way shape or form is sucking back on a tar inducing, 400 toxic chemical, phallic shaped, entity respectable.
The cigarette has all these toxic chemicals basically to mask the taste of tobacco in the first place. Now if no one would really smoke tobacco in the first place then there'd be not as many smokers today would there?
But the only reason people start smoking is because they're not man enough to say "No" when peer pressure comes knocking. People want to fit in so if all their friends are smoking then instead of finding new friends or standing up and saying "NO!" and "Please don't smoke around me" they start to smoke. Instead of being their own person they try and change themselves to fit in with other people's ideas of what they should be like. It's really quite sad. If they feel you need to change into something that goes against everything you believe in then they are no friends of yours because real friends will take you as you are and respect you for it.
Nope, smoking is not a good thing, it never has been a good thing, and it never will be a good thing. It damages the smoker, it damages the innocent bystander, and it lowers the respect others have of you. Not seeing any upshots to smoking here.
Cigarette smoke leaves a residue that causes things like dust and cat hair to adhere to inside of the computer.
Dander and dust stick to your computers components regardless of wether or not smoke from a cigarette started the problem. Hope no one here uses scented candles around the house because it does the same damned thing.
- There are "too many rules" in the USA? The USA is one of the least rule dominated countries on earth.
I know I'm being mean to the smokers by being so strident, but hey that's the only thing that actually works with drug addicts.
gazoobee, you never cease to amaze. 1) the USA is by far the most litigious country in the world. So yes we have "too many rules" and not enough personal responsibility. 2) No one needs "tough love" from a self righteous individual (Oh sorry strident individual) like you. I suppose that you're not addicted to sugar, caffeine, sex or your own endorphins and body chemistry? We are all addicts in one way or another. At least the rest of the world has a mark to reach for and thank you for being perfect so that the rest of the "morons" have something to live up to.
I hate smokers. Why should I have to breath in their UNFILTERED smoke, inhaling 400 different chemicals ALL harmful to the human body merely because you're too weak willed to give up and you need a fix?
I like how you started out and then you lost me. First of all, if you live in a metropolitan city like LA, Atlanta, Chicago or NY you're breathing in far more than just "400 chemicals" on your walk to the office. I know lots off people that can't understand why they have asthma and bronchitis because they are joggers; well they love to jog on the west side highway as if that makes any sense.
As far as you personal anecdote, If you don't wear a mask that's your fault. OSHA requirements are not to be taken lightly and yet workers ignore regulations all of the time. If you can't wear a mask then that is the individuals fault because it is their responsibility and their choice not to wear protective equipment. "Uncomfortable" and "hard to work while wearing it" are all excuses that many dead and permanently injured workers commonly use/ used. OSHA's biggest problem has to do with that sort of complacent thinking; so keep thinking that way so my company can keep making OSHA safety videos on the tax payers dime.
NYC is 31 out of 40, with 40 being the best.
America's Most Toxic Cities
I totally agree - this is all bush*t. That picture could be from living in NYC. This sounds like more AL Gore bullsh*t.
Actually among the 40 largest cities, NYC air quality is comparatively good.
NYC is 31 out of 40, with 40 being the best.
America's Most Toxic Cities
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Hey Pal, is this your keyboard by any chance?
I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Wow. I can't even relate to that. My MBP, keyboard - everything, is absolutely spotless.
Tip: one of the best cleaners (that won't damage surfaces) is Windex. At least the current formula is safe. Obviously, wet a cloth with it rather than spraying it on directly.
gazoobee, you never cease to amaze. 1) the USA is by far the most litigious country in the world. So yes we have "too many rules" and not enough personal responsibility. 2) No one needs "tough love" from a self righteous individual (Oh sorry strident individual) like you. I suppose that you're not addicted to sugar, caffeine, sex or your own endorphins and body chemistry? We are all addicts in one way or another. At least the rest of the world has a mark to reach for and thank you for being perfect so that the rest of the "morons" have something to live up to.
When the US is spoken of being litigious. That's talking about private litigation between two party's. That's completely different from governmental regulation. Which the US is not the most strict.
I like how you started out and then you lost me. First of all, if you live in a metropolitan city like LA, Atlanta, Chicago or NY you're breathing in far more than just "400 chemicals" on your walk to the office. I know lots off people that can't understand why they have asthma and bronchitis because they are joggers; well they love to jog on the west side highway as if that makes any sense.
The air quality in major cities is not equal to sitting in a closed room with second hand smoke. You are stretching you point a bit thin.
Do you have proof that these workers have no choice in the matter and are not able to quite work if they so choose? Are you implying that the Chinese factories that make Apple?s products are less healthy than the Chinese factories that make all other products in the world?
No... You're right. They have a choice. but I've been to these factories, and seen the thousands and thousands of teenagers who they bring in from thousands of miles away to work the lines. So, It's not much of a choice.
Not the point... Apple employees don't walk into other factories. If you've ever been into the massive machine shops with air so polluted with machine oil that the filters on the air handling equipment get black within a matter of hours, and the kids walking around with (or without) a simple mask on... well, you get my drift. The environment is not healthy for anyone.
I like how you started out and then you lost me. First of all, if you live in a metropolitan city like LA, Atlanta, Chicago or NY you're breathing in far more than just "400 chemicals" on your walk to the office. I know lots off people that can't understand why they have asthma and bronchitis because they are joggers; well they love to jog on the west side highway as if that makes any sense.
As far as you personal anecdote, If you don't wear a mask that's your fault. OSHA requirements are not to be taken lightly and yet workers ignore regulations all of the time. If you can't wear a mask then that is the individuals fault because it is their responsibility and their choice not to wear protective equipment. "Uncomfortable" and "hard to work while wearing it" are all excuses that many dead and permanently injured workers commonly use/ used. OSHA's biggest problem has to do with that sort of complacent thinking; so keep thinking that way so my company can keep making OSHA safety videos on the tax payers dime.
I don't really live in a metropolitan area although I do work in one but considering I live in New Zealand our most metropolitan area (Auckland) is less of a risk than most other countries. I work in Wellington which is barely over 400,000 people so the risks I receive from the air from normal activity is less than if I was standing next to a smoker.
There's actually some towns and cities, with more coming along the way, here in New Zealand that have a total outright ban of smoking in public places which includes parks, the street, pubs, etc. I applaud those places but when you see that these places are some really beautiful spots you understand why they took the stance.
90% of all litter in New Zealand is cigarette butts. Please tell me how smoking is making the world a better place.
As for the mask there is no legal obligation for workers in the IT industry to wear masks here in New Zealand. The problem I have is that most masks for me are ineffectual anyway because they never seem to mold to my face properly so there's always spots that allow the air to get in and thus the germs, and smoke, etc to enter my body. If that's the case then it doesn't matter if I'm wearing a mask or not. I'd prefer to wear a mask but if it doesn't work then it doesn't make sense to do so either. I am however thinking of designing one that will work but these things take time.
No... You're right. They have a choice. but I've been to these factories, and seen the thousands and thousands of teenagers who they bring in from thousands of miles away to work the lines. So, It's not much of a choice.
I have no doubt that the conditions are worse than the US. If we have a problem with the Chinese gov?t?s treatment of their people then we should boycott any and all products from China or try to make changes within the country. I?d say the latter will do no good as an outsider and former the will do nothing but make these people lose their jobs if you can get enough people to stop buying Chinese products. Things are changing the way all societies change when a country becomes wealthy from industrialization. I can?t fight this battle as there is no solution so I?m not going to worry about it. That which we cannot prevent we must endure.
Not the point... Apple employees don't walk into other factories. If you've ever been into the massive machine shops with air so polluted with machine oil that the filters on the air handling equipment get black within a matter of hours, and the kids walking around with (or without) a simple mask on... well, you get my drift. The environment is not healthy for anyone.
I can?t see that being the case for any factory assembling Apple products. You need a clean environment.
I own a mac and live in Oklahoma. Recently the burner stopped working. We have AppleCare so we took it in 2 days ago for repair. We just recieved a call today stating we needed to come get it because they are refusing to work on it due to health hazards from second hand smoke due to OSHA violations.
I think it?s a stupid reason to give when misuse neglect are obviously visably noticable if you can see second-hand smoke and dust build up.
Why don?t you take it apart and clean it out yourself before sending it in. Hell, it may even fix the problem. If you see the build up then the laser is likely coated.
If we have a problem with the Chinese gov?t?s treatment of their people then we should boycott any and all products from China or try to make changes within the country.
Good luck on that considering much of the world's products are actually produced in China thanks to the corporate mentality that they can save money by exploiting developing nations. What's funny though is China owns the majority of America's debt so if America pushed actions like what you're suggesting then China only needs to call back its debt which America can't pay and America would be more bankrupt than Argentina was.
The thing with China though is that it's advancing quicker than any other nation so while in the short term it's got a lot of problems in the long run it will have fixed those problems and become a nation to aspire to. It's environmental actions are already beginning to be in excess of America's so people really shouldn't rail on China because it really has come a long way in such a short time and will quickly become the most advanced civilisation like it used to be. I mean we're talking about a nation that invented gunpowder, paper money, the piston engine, earthquake measuring, and other things we take for granted.
China's not really doing anything other nations like America aren't doing it's just that with such a massive population the problem gets more exposed.
Good luck on that considering much of the world's products are actually produced in China thanks to the corporate mentality that they can save money by exploiting developing nations. What's funny though is China owns the majority of America's debt so if America pushed actions like what you're suggesting then China only needs to call back its debt which America can't pay and America would be more bankrupt than Argentina was.
China isn't going to call in the debt. The US is essentially borrowing back the money that we have pumped into the Chinese economy.
The thing with China though is that it's advancing quicker than any other nation so while in the short term it's got a lot of problems in the long run it will have fixed those problems and become a nation to aspire to. It's environmental actions are already beginning to be in excess of America's so people really shouldn't rail on China because it really has come a long way in such a short time and will quickly become the most advanced civilisation like it used to be. I mean we're talking about a nation that invented gunpowder, paper money, the piston engine, earthquake measuring, and other things we take for granted.
China has grown, but its limited in many ways. None of our modern technology has been invented in China. Technological advancements are mostly made in the US and Europe, China is used for manufacturing. Most of what China builds comes from other countries. The Chinese government restricts and limits its own ability innovate new ideas.
A]Name one country where it's illegal -- it's certainly not illegal in the US, where I live.
Well this is your mistake, you are assuming that everywhere is like the USA. In Canada it's illegal in most public places, all indoor public places, all restaurants, bars, and public buildings and on all sidewalks within 10 metres of the building. You can smoke in your car, your house, and on a residential sidewalk but that's about it. New laws will be coming into effect banning even more places next year. There are countries with more severe restrictions than us, but I am not going to look them up for you.
Never mind that there are places in the US that have laws this restrictive List of smoking bans in the United States; Pasadena, CA is one such example. Even here in Las Cruces, NM smoking is very restrictive and they are planning to join California, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Maine in banning smoking in a car if you have kids with you.
I have no doubt that the conditions are worse than the US. If we have a problem with the Chinese gov?t?s treatment of their people then we should boycott any and all products from China or try to make changes within the country. I?d say the latter will do no good as an outsider and former the will do nothing but make these people lose their jobs if you can get enough people to stop buying Chinese products. Things are changing the way all societies change when a country becomes wealthy from industrialization. I can?t fight this battle as there is no solution so I?m not going to worry about it. That which we cannot prevent we must endure.
I can?t see that being the case for any factory assembling Apple products. You need a clean environment.
I'm not suggesting that anything be done about it. I am simply saying that the conditions exist, and that Steve does nothing about it for either his employees or the subcontractors. And that really is my only point. It seems very hypocritical to deny service based on the health of his service staff, and then to send his field staff into harms way. Don't you think?
Just a side note... Final assembly sites may be clean, but the factories supplying these unibody enclosures we all love are horrendously filthy.
I don't really live in a metropolitan area although I do work in one but considering I live in New Zealand our most metropolitan area (Auckland) is less of a risk than most other countries. I work in Wellington which is barely over 400,000 people so the risks I receive from the air from normal activity is less than if I was standing next to a smoker.
There's actually some towns and cities, with more coming along the way, here in New Zealand that have a total outright ban of smoking in public places which includes parks, the street, pubs, etc. I applaud those places but when you see that these places are some really beautiful spots you understand why they took the stance.
90% of all litter in New Zealand is cigarette butts. Please tell me how smoking is making the world a better place.
As for the mask there is no legal obligation for workers in the IT industry to wear masks here in New Zealand. The problem I have is that most masks for me are ineffectual anyway because they never seem to mold to my face properly so there's always spots that allow the air to get in and thus the germs, and smoke, etc to enter my body. If that's the case then it doesn't matter if I'm wearing a mask or not. I'd prefer to wear a mask but if it doesn't work then it doesn't make sense to do so either. I am however thinking of designing one that will work but these things take time.
Dude- that's not my post- why are you attributing that to me? It's too long for one thing.
I'm not suggesting that anything be done about it. I am simply saying that the conditions exist, and that Steve does nothing about it for either his employees or the subcontractors. And that really is my only point. It seems very hypocritical to deny service based on the health of his service staff, and then to send his field staff into harms way. Don't you think?
Are you saying when people from Apple go over to China, they are exposed to the conditions in China, and that Jobs should do more to protect them?
Just a side note... Final assembly sites may be clean, but the factories supplying these unibody enclosures we all love are horrendously filthy.
Are you talking about the metal smelting factories? Its not exactly a clean process. And actually much to the benefit of the US environmentally that its not done here any more.