Rumors asides, because they will just keep going back and forth, how do we expect this to work from a logistical standpoint. What is likely and unlikely?
After looking at the poor Notion Ink stand-in HW being demoed at CES with a large space on the back for a touch panel I think it is likely for Apple to go this route. I think that a cursor could be applied to the tablet, something I hadn?t thought possible when considering a device that only uses finger-based input on the screen itself.
With a trackpad on the back, perhaps similar to yet larger than Mac notebook trackpads, Apple isn?t breaking any HW ground here, just finding a unique way of reusing current tech. It allows for complete access to the system without having to cover the display. This seems easily usable while holding the device securely.
The only downfall seems to be with typing, which would likely require covering a portion of the display, thought hopefully with smart layout that changes depending on how you are holding the device.
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Wonder if the tablet will follow the same progression as the iPhone: aluminum case 1st gen -> plastic case 2nd gen?
Even with cellular data, 802.11a/b/g/n and Bluetooth the size of the device doesn?t require the majority of the case to be plastic in order to get good reception. At this point I think plastic would be easier and better to hold on to than metal.
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Originally Posted by 1984
Maybe they will use plastic for a low-end model and aluminum for a high-end model like the MacBook and MacBook Pro.
Interesting thought. They could make a high and low model. How else would you expect these models to be different to warrant the dramatic case varuances?
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He's not even in the membership database anymore. There is another TECHSTUD (all caps) who only has five posts and hasn't posted in years. So it looks like he is gone for good. Of course, there's always the possibility of his sock puppet being alive and well here, but I think we would all recognize the "style".
His account is gone including all his posts. Not sure if they did the ?Tachy Goes to Coventry" global ignore list or actually deleted him. Regardless, he is aware of the situation and can back under the name Mr. Koolaid, which he created during one of his previous ban sessions. He came back more contemptible than ever so I think that name has been banned and deleted, as well, since a quick search brings up nothing. The board is better for it so I?m certainly glad.
So true! The CES tablet unveilings totally feel like the kind of preemptive strike that you see in the movies when the United States military decides to attack some powerful UFO hopeful that unloading every Poseidon nuclear warhead in our arsenal will result in triumphant victory. Only for the dust to clear and see the UFO still just hovering completely unscratched; at which point the UFO opens its main hatch as a glowing beam powers up inside and our big-bad military commander (all the companies at CES) with a cigar hanging from his mouth whispers "dear god, holy s..." and quivers in shock as he stares at his approaching doom muttering "it's so beautiful..."
My personal preference would be for a perfect, seamless, aluminium back with just a plastic Apple logo for the Wi-Fi antenna. No camera hole, no ports, no volume rocker, and no silent switch. Just a power button on one edge and a home button on the (glass) front.
While I can agree with the camera deletion the rest of that stuff I use. Some of them very often.
The silent switch is huge and is the quickest way to avoid being marked as rude or inconsiderate. There are all sorts of places where shutting off sound makes sense. E ereything from libraries, to the movies to company meetings.
Like wise a volume control allows for fine tuning sound no matter what app is front and center.
As to ports I really really want at least one USB port. It would make possible more portable applications than you might imagine.
In any event I do hope that you realize you are suggesting deleting some of the most useful mechanical controls on the unit. Some of those (volume) people caught for as they add value to the device. Keep it up and you will become very unpopular here.
Well, then you would have everybody griping about the lower end model having so much better WiFi reception then the high-end model.
I imagine that regardless of the material on the main body, it's possible the screen will be bordered by a black (or white?) plastic bezel. They could string the antenna around the edges of the device just behind the plastic. Would the screen itself interfere with reception?
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Apple needs more iPhone models to meet the needs of different users. Like it or not I think a clam shell iPhone with a keyboard would sell like hotcakes. Woman would like a smaller iPhone and guys could always use something bigger.
and a replaceable battery. (the new camera flash is a given.)Although I'm not going to hold my breath. And if Apple follows their current design philosophy, we'll see only one version of the tablet as well.
Actually, despite his inability to police himself, Teckstud made plenty of valid arguments around here that you and the rest of the fanboy troll circus never could or would admit to.
Nah. His arguments weren't even consistent. The only "hits" I recall him having, were when he called out someone else for inconsistency and was (occasionally) right about it. It's easy to call out the faults in others though. We all have them.
Forums are about debate and teckstud couldn't even string a logical sentence together most of the time, let alone an argument.
It's like that old Monty Python joke. The mere naysaying of everything the other person says is not an argument. Anyone can do that. You have to have logical points of your own, and realistically, you have to admit you are wrong sometimes, because of course, we all are.
Does this mean no built-in 3G? Am I correct in recalling that was the reason for the switch from the (great-looking) Gen 1 iPhone with metal backing, to the current (so-so looking) plastic version?
While I can agree with the camera deletion the rest of that stuff I use. Some of them very often.
The silent switch is huge and is the quickest way to avoid being marked as rude or inconsiderate. There are all sorts of places where shutting off sound makes sense. E ereything from libraries, to the movies to company meetings.
Like wise a volume control allows for fine tuning sound no matter what app is front and center.
As to ports I really really want at least one USB port. It would make possible more portable applications than you might imagine.
In any event I do hope that you realize you are suggesting deleting some of the most useful mechanical controls on the unit. Some of those (volume) people caught for as they add value to the device. Keep it up and you will become very unpopular here.
Well I kind of got caught up in my fantasy a bit there perhaps. Obviously I didn't think the post out very thoroughly, but I still would like to see a smooth aluminium back instead of a plastic one.
As someone already pointed out I totally forgot about the syncing port which I didn't intend to. I mean I didn't intend to imply that it would sync wirelessly or that it wouldn't' sync at all or whatever. I also forgot about the headphone jack, which is likely to be needed.
The reason I thought the volume control and the silent switch would go is just because Steve Jobs doesn't like buttons, and since the screen is bigger, I thought the software controls might suffice.
My biggest hope is that the thing *doesn't* have a cell phone in it, and doesn't have a camera in it either. I saw the silent switch as only being important for cell phones (given the likely existence of software volume controls), and the lack of both of these things would allow a lot less physical buttons and holes on the thing.
I think overall that Apple needs to differentiate this thing from the iPods and iPhones and IMO, no one needs a camera or a cellphone, the size of a dinner plate. I've been 100% wrong many times before though.
Does this mean no built-in 3G? Am I correct in recalling that was the reason for the switch from the (great-looking) Gen 1 iPhone with metal backing, to the current (so-so looking) plastic version?
one rumor mentioned built-in 3G for VZ and/or AT&T. I'd also appreciate a USB port so I could use CLEAR here in Philly if I didn't like VZ or AT&T data plans. Who knows what to expect from this thing, though.
Does this mean no built-in 3G? Am I correct in recalling that was the reason for the switch from the (great-looking) Gen 1 iPhone with metal backing, to the current (so-so looking) plastic version?
I thought the reasoning was because the GPS chip didn't work well with a metal housing. If there's no GPS in the iSlate then it may very well be metal.
Does this mean no built-in 3G? Am I correct in recalling that was the reason for the switch from the (great-looking) Gen 1 iPhone with metal backing, to the current (so-so looking) plastic version?
They needed more room for the antenna signle, but a case that is at least 4x as big doesn’t need to have the entire thing encased in plastic to allow for good reception. Just look at the iPod Touch with a plastic are carved out for reception. Surely it would have to be bigger for cellular radios but that it could be done with a mostly metal back.
I hope the 3G is included in every device, similar to the Kindle, so that iTS and publisher store access can be had, with an option to pay for 3G data from your carrier for service for internet access.
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Originally Posted by heathsnow
I thought the reasoning was because the GPS chip didn't work well with a metal housing. If there's no GPS in the iSlate then it may very well be metal.
It should get a GPS chip. I expect all Mac notebooks to get a GPS chip at some point. It just has too many convenient possibilities not to eventually get one.
So true! The CES tablet unveilings totally feel like the kind of preemptive strike that you see in the movies when the United States military decides to attack some powerful UFO hopeful that unloading every Poseidon nuclear warhead in our arsenal will result in triumphant victory. Only for the dust to clear and see the UFO still just hovering completely unscratched; at which point the UFO opens its main hatch as a glowing beam powers up inside and our big-bad military commander (all the companies at CES) with a cigar hanging from his mouth whispers "dear god, holy s..." and quivers in shock as he stares at his approaching doom muttering "it's so beautiful..."
To continue this analogy, these movies usually end with the US military defeating the aliens in some unlikely way...
Everyone's been focusing on the lack of a useable Microsoft tablet and I agree wholeheartedly with the criticisms of those shown in the keynote but a third company seems to have an honest to gosh winner on its hands.
Has anyone else heard about the enTourage eDGe? Any thoughts? It looks, at first glance, like a really compelling product. It runs Android, has a wonderful form factor and costs less than $500. It's even got two screens, one large digital ink screen for reading written words and a second, smaller, conventional color screen for general purpose computing. They claim 16 hour battery life. If it had cellular internet connectivity, I'd be sold outright.
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After looking at the poor Notion Ink stand-in HW being demoed at CES with a large space on the back for a touch panel I think it is likely for Apple to go this route. I think that a cursor could be applied to the tablet, something I hadn?t thought possible when considering a device that only uses finger-based input on the screen itself.
With a trackpad on the back, perhaps similar to yet larger than Mac notebook trackpads, Apple isn?t breaking any HW ground here, just finding a unique way of reusing current tech. It allows for complete access to the system without having to cover the display. This seems easily usable while holding the device securely.
The only downfall seems to be with typing, which would likely require covering a portion of the display, thought hopefully with smart layout that changes depending on how you are holding the device.
Wonder if the tablet will follow the same progression as the iPhone: aluminum case 1st gen -> plastic case 2nd gen?
Even with cellular data, 802.11a/b/g/n and Bluetooth the size of the device doesn?t require the majority of the case to be plastic in order to get good reception. At this point I think plastic would be easier and better to hold on to than metal.
Maybe they will use plastic for a low-end model and aluminum for a high-end model like the MacBook and MacBook Pro.
Interesting thought. They could make a high and low model. How else would you expect these models to be different to warrant the dramatic case varuances?
He's not even in the membership database anymore. There is another TECHSTUD (all caps) who only has five posts and hasn't posted in years. So it looks like he is gone for good. Of course, there's always the possibility of his sock puppet being alive and well here, but I think we would all recognize the "style".
His account is gone including all his posts. Not sure if they did the ?Tachy Goes to Coventry" global ignore list or actually deleted him. Regardless, he is aware of the situation and can back under the name Mr. Koolaid, which he created during one of his previous ban sessions. He came back more contemptible than ever so I think that name has been banned and deleted, as well, since a quick search brings up nothing. The board is better for it so I?m certainly glad.
So true! The CES tablet unveilings totally feel like the kind of preemptive strike that you see in the movies when the United States military decides to attack some powerful UFO hopeful that unloading every Poseidon nuclear warhead in our arsenal will result in triumphant victory. Only for the dust to clear and see the UFO still just hovering completely unscratched; at which point the UFO opens its main hatch as a glowing beam powers up inside and our big-bad military commander (all the companies at CES) with a cigar hanging from his mouth whispers "dear god, holy s..." and quivers in shock as he stares at his approaching doom muttering "it's so beautiful..."
So true...
Truly something beautiful.
My personal preference would be for a perfect, seamless, aluminium back with just a plastic Apple logo for the Wi-Fi antenna. No camera hole, no ports, no volume rocker, and no silent switch. Just a power button on one edge and a home button on the (glass) front.
While I can agree with the camera deletion the rest of that stuff I use. Some of them very often.
The silent switch is huge and is the quickest way to avoid being marked as rude or inconsiderate. There are all sorts of places where shutting off sound makes sense. E ereything from libraries, to the movies to company meetings.
Like wise a volume control allows for fine tuning sound no matter what app is front and center.
As to ports I really really want at least one USB port. It would make possible more portable applications than you might imagine.
In any event I do hope that you realize you are suggesting deleting some of the most useful mechanical controls on the unit. Some of those (volume) people caught for as they add value to the device. Keep it up and you will become very unpopular here.
Dave
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/01/go...n-unbreakable/
Well, then you would have everybody griping about the lower end model having so much better WiFi reception then the high-end model.
I imagine that regardless of the material on the main body, it's possible the screen will be bordered by a black (or white?) plastic bezel. They could string the antenna around the edges of the device just behind the plastic. Would the screen itself interfere with reception?
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Apple needs more iPhone models to meet the needs of different users. Like it or not I think a clam shell iPhone with a keyboard would sell like hotcakes. Woman would like a smaller iPhone and guys could always use something bigger.
and a replaceable battery. (the new camera flash is a given.)Although I'm not going to hold my breath. And if Apple follows their current design philosophy, we'll see only one version of the tablet as well.
Actually, despite his inability to police himself, Teckstud made plenty of valid arguments around here that you and the rest of the fanboy troll circus never could or would admit to.
Nah. His arguments weren't even consistent. The only "hits" I recall him having, were when he called out someone else for inconsistency and was (occasionally) right about it. It's easy to call out the faults in others though. We all have them.
Forums are about debate and teckstud couldn't even string a logical sentence together most of the time, let alone an argument.
It's like that old Monty Python joke. The mere naysaying of everything the other person says is not an argument. Anyone can do that. You have to have logical points of your own, and realistically, you have to admit you are wrong sometimes, because of course, we all are.
I don't recall him doing either. Ever.
While I can agree with the camera deletion the rest of that stuff I use. Some of them very often.
The silent switch is huge and is the quickest way to avoid being marked as rude or inconsiderate. There are all sorts of places where shutting off sound makes sense. E ereything from libraries, to the movies to company meetings.
Like wise a volume control allows for fine tuning sound no matter what app is front and center.
As to ports I really really want at least one USB port. It would make possible more portable applications than you might imagine.
In any event I do hope that you realize you are suggesting deleting some of the most useful mechanical controls on the unit. Some of those (volume) people caught for as they add value to the device. Keep it up and you will become very unpopular here.
Well I kind of got caught up in my fantasy a bit there perhaps. Obviously I didn't think the post out very thoroughly, but I still would like to see a smooth aluminium back instead of a plastic one.
As someone already pointed out I totally forgot about the syncing port which I didn't intend to. I mean I didn't intend to imply that it would sync wirelessly or that it wouldn't' sync at all or whatever. I also forgot about the headphone jack, which is likely to be needed.
The reason I thought the volume control and the silent switch would go is just because Steve Jobs doesn't like buttons, and since the screen is bigger, I thought the software controls might suffice.
My biggest hope is that the thing *doesn't* have a cell phone in it, and doesn't have a camera in it either. I saw the silent switch as only being important for cell phones (given the likely existence of software volume controls), and the lack of both of these things would allow a lot less physical buttons and holes on the thing.
I think overall that Apple needs to differentiate this thing from the iPods and iPhones and IMO, no one needs a camera or a cellphone, the size of a dinner plate. I've been 100% wrong many times before though.
Does this mean no built-in 3G? Am I correct in recalling that was the reason for the switch from the (great-looking) Gen 1 iPhone with metal backing, to the current (so-so looking) plastic version?
one rumor mentioned built-in 3G for VZ and/or AT&T. I'd also appreciate a USB port so I could use CLEAR here in Philly if I didn't like VZ or AT&T data plans. Who knows what to expect from this thing, though.
Does this mean no built-in 3G? Am I correct in recalling that was the reason for the switch from the (great-looking) Gen 1 iPhone with metal backing, to the current (so-so looking) plastic version?
I thought the reasoning was because the GPS chip didn't work well with a metal housing. If there's no GPS in the iSlate then it may very well be metal.
Does this mean no built-in 3G? Am I correct in recalling that was the reason for the switch from the (great-looking) Gen 1 iPhone with metal backing, to the current (so-so looking) plastic version?
They needed more room for the antenna signle, but a case that is at least 4x as big doesn’t need to have the entire thing encased in plastic to allow for good reception. Just look at the iPod Touch with a plastic are carved out for reception. Surely it would have to be bigger for cellular radios but that it could be done with a mostly metal back.
I hope the 3G is included in every device, similar to the Kindle, so that iTS and publisher store access can be had, with an option to pay for 3G data from your carrier for service for internet access.
I thought the reasoning was because the GPS chip didn't work well with a metal housing. If there's no GPS in the iSlate then it may very well be metal.
It should get a GPS chip. I expect all Mac notebooks to get a GPS chip at some point. It just has too many convenient possibilities not to eventually get one.
So true! The CES tablet unveilings totally feel like the kind of preemptive strike that you see in the movies when the United States military decides to attack some powerful UFO hopeful that unloading every Poseidon nuclear warhead in our arsenal will result in triumphant victory. Only for the dust to clear and see the UFO still just hovering completely unscratched; at which point the UFO opens its main hatch as a glowing beam powers up inside and our big-bad military commander (all the companies at CES) with a cigar hanging from his mouth whispers "dear god, holy s..." and quivers in shock as he stares at his approaching doom muttering "it's so beautiful..."
To continue this analogy, these movies usually end with the US military defeating the aliens in some unlikely way...
To continue this analogy, these movies usually end with the US military defeating the aliens in some unlikely way...
Yeah but the movies that the aliens are making/watching on their home planet don't end that way do they? :-)
Has anyone else heard about the enTourage eDGe? Any thoughts? It looks, at first glance, like a really compelling product. It runs Android, has a wonderful form factor and costs less than $500. It's even got two screens, one large digital ink screen for reading written words and a second, smaller, conventional color screen for general purpose computing. They claim 16 hour battery life. If it had cellular internet connectivity, I'd be sold outright.
http://www.entourageedge.com/devices...rage-edge.html
Personally, I don't miss him at all. If I feel the need I can just suck a lemon or drop a hammer on my toe or something similar.
ha
My bet's he's still here lurking.