iPhone OS 4.0 could see 'imminent' release, developer hints

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  • Reply 21 of 153
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    Swiping to the next page/previous page so you don't have to hold it with one hand. You just use any finger of either hand to gesture on the back of the device. You won't need to look at it.



    Why still alien to many I think that is one of the gestures we?ll likely see. It just makes sense when you think about it.





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    Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post


    There's no way it's ready for release. They maybe announcing a beta of it, but it won't be ready until summer.



    If the Tablet is ready for Summer than I?d think the next iPhone would have to come in the Spring.
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  • Reply 22 of 153
    I suspect the iTablet will be available to developers first then the general public later, but Apple will take pre-orders.



    I also expect it to be expensive, being a first new device, thus commanding a premium for being a early adopter, work out the bugs and all.



    Then the next device update will be less expensive and have more features.
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  • Reply 23 of 153
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    Originally Posted by ivan.rnn01 View Post


    Apple is not MS, they don't have unmeasurable task force up their sleeve to launch as many projects simultaneously as they wish.



    And thank goodness for that. I'd rather see Apple have a handful of well-managed, well-placed products that ship and ship complete (versus being dumped out the door to meet self-imposed deadlines).



    MS spends how many billions on R&D per year and basically produces nothing. We don't need to see Apple do the same.
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  • Reply 24 of 153
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    I suspect the iTablet will be available to developers first then the general public later, but Apple will take pre-orders.



    I also expect it to be expensive, being a first new device, thus commanding a premium for being a early adopter, work out the bugs and all.



    Then the next device update will be less expensive and have more features.



    1) Explain to us why you think Apple will sell to developers first? How do they do that? When have they ever done that? At best we can expect an SDK with a tablet simulator with the only people getting an early hands on of the tablet being select pundits who can?t release any info until the day it actually sold.



    2) Being expensive states nothing. Some will think it is expensive even if priced below the cost to make. Apple has a good track record of pricing products in accordance with what the market will bare. I don?t see this as being any different. The inevitable argument that ?My netbook cost $300 and it has a physical keyboard, too? and so on will just be the typical shortsighted viewpoints we?ve come to know and love on the internet.



    3) When does a device offer more features with the next update making it less expensive compared to the previous model?
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  • Reply 25 of 153
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    1) Explain to us why you think Apple will sell to developers first? How do they do that? When have they ever done that?



    That'spretty much what they did with Mac OS X. (Sold it for $29 to beta testers and developers). I've never seen that example with hardware, though and it doesn't seem likely.
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  • Reply 26 of 153
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    1) Explain to us why you think Apple will sell to developers first? How do they do that? When have they ever done that? At best we can expect an SDK with a tablet simulator with the only people getting an early hands on of the tablet being select pundits who can?t release any info until the day it actually sold.



    Apple has always given preference to developers with new devices, even if it's not obvious. We don't hear of developers complaining they can't get a new device from Apple because they are sold out now do we?



    If I wanted to be the first with the iSlate, I would sure be signing up for the SDK right now





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    2) Being expensive states nothing. Some will think it is expensive even if priced below the cost to make. Apple has a good track record of pricing products in accordance with what the market will bare. I don?t see this as being any different. The inevitable argument that ?My netbook cost $300 and it has a physical keyboard, too? and so on will just be the typical shortsighted viewpoints we?ve come to know and love on the internet.



    It will, Apple always starts with high margins and then works it's way down to the most profitable price/feature point to maximize volume of sales.



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    3) When does a device offer more features with the next update making it less expensive compared to the previous model?



    Because by Rev 2, Apple will gain the benefits of economies of scale and realize what people are willing to pay and see where the direction of the device is going in the public. To get people to upgrade or buy Rev 2, they will add a new feature and slightly lower the price to increase sales.



    Plus the lust factor for a new original device will be high, thus it's collector level price.
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  • Reply 27 of 153
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    I wonder what new stuff it has? I hope it is faster, my iPhone 3G (not S) is feeling a bit sluggish lately.
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  • Reply 28 of 153
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    Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post


    Hopefully they tested the imminent release thoroughly.



    And hopefully, everyone will read the README's and the manual, checkout the Help menu, view the web site and watch the videos before they install/update or make stupid comments/judgements due to their stupidity or ignorance.



    And better yet, have an iPhone in the first place. Otherwise, keep their mouths shut.
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  • Reply 29 of 153
    mactrippermactripper Posts: 1,328member
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    I wonder what new stuff it has? I hope it is faster, my iPhone 3G (not S) is feeling a bit sluggish lately.



    Planned obsolescence, I find it usually occurs on Apple hardware right before they are targeting you to buy something.



    The last update or two usually does it, slows your UI down so it appears your device is getting long in the tooth.



    I know this because I used to benchmark every single OS X update and watch the creep sneak in.
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  • Reply 30 of 153
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacTripper View Post


    Apple has always given preference to developers with new devices, even if it's not obvious. We don't hear of developers complaining they can't get a new device from Apple because they are sold out now do we?



    If I wanted to be the first with the iSlate, I would sure be signing up for the SDK right now



    I know you are trolling but you really don?t think through anything you write. Developers get Apple products because they buy them. Apple is pretty good about their manufacturing process.



    If you still want to believe that signing up for an SDK gets you to a special Apple Store that allows you early access to HW sales then do a little research in an attempt to prove your case.





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    It will, Apple always starts with high margins and then works it's way down to the most profitable price/feature point to maximize volume of sales.



    Because by Rev 2, Apple will gain the benefits of economies of scale and realize what people are willing to pay and see where the direction of the device is going in the public. To get people to upgrade or buy Rev 2, they will add a new feature and slightly lower the price to increase sales.



    Plus the lust factor for a new original device will be high, thus it's collector level price.



    Apple?s margins often get a little better with time, not worse. Developing a new tech is a huge investment. If nothing else will compare in the market, which is likely Apple can charge more. That isn?t making it "overpriced", that is pricing it to fit the market. You really should learn the difference.
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  • Reply 31 of 153
    irelandireland Posts: 17,802member
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Earlier this month, it was alleged that Apple's rumored Jan. 27 event could include the introduction of iPhone OS 4.0. One report claimed the new software developer kit includes a "simulator" that makes it easy for developers to adapt to different screen resolutions.



    When I see that word "simulator" in quotes it makes it look like this a new thing, when really it will be "an updated simulator". Which sounds like it makes a lot more sense for the written word. Please stop quoting "simulator" like that, it looks awful.
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  • Reply 32 of 153
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    Originally Posted by ascii View Post


    I wonder what new stuff it has? I hope it is faster, my iPhone 3G (not S) is feeling a bit sluggish lately.



    As Apple recommends, if it your iPhone is not operating as expected, reset it.



    I do so once a month now and as a result, I can't remember the last time I had a dropped call. Certainly seems to speed up the apps, and everything wireless related.
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  • Reply 33 of 153
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    When I see that word "simulator" in quotes it makes it look like this a new thing, when really it will be "an updated simulator". Which sounds like it makes a lot more sense for the written word. Please stop quoting "simulator" like that, it looks awful.



    It is a 'new' simulator with 'new' functionality. Nothing wrong in the way it was written.



    Actually, it terms of programming functionality, it is not 'an update' per se. It would demean its extremely important new functionality to suggest such.
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  • Reply 34 of 153
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    Apple has always given preference to developers with new devices, even if it's not obvious. We don't hear of developers complaining they can't get a new device from Apple because they are sold out now do we?



    If I wanted to be the first with the iSlate, I would sure be signing up for the SDK right now



    You really don'y know what you are talking about, do you?
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  • Reply 35 of 153
    mactrippermactripper Posts: 1,328member
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    ...but you really don?t think through anything you write. Developers get Apple products because they buy them. Apple is pretty good about their manufacturing process.



    If you still want to believe that signing up for an SDK gets you to a special Apple Store that allows you early access to HW sales then do a little research in an attempt to prove your case.



    I never said that. What your making up for missing the boat yesterday?



    I'm saying I believe Apple takes notice of those who are buying a new device from them if they are a developer or not and makes sure they get a device before someone in the general public does.



    They obviously don't want a rush of consumers signing up for the SDK with no intention of using it.



    Just saying the possibilities are very good if you do though.







    Quote:

    Apple?s margins often get a little better with time, not worse. Developing a new tech is a huge investment. If nothing else will compare in the market, which is likely Apple can charge more. That isn?t making it "overpriced", that is pricing it to fit the market.





    Yes, margins get a little better over time with economies of scale, provided you sell the product in enough volume to gain that advantage.



    But when a new product is introduced, you don't know how much people are willing to pay. So you tend to charge a bit higher and gauge the response and work yourself down to the best price/margin ratio for the highest volume of sales.



    So I'm gauging the initial price of the iSlate will put a lot of people off.
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  • Reply 36 of 153
    isaidsoisaidso Posts: 750member
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    Originally Posted by rtdunham View Post


    "actually..."



    You're just taking the easy, literal way out to knock down someone else's opinion. I'm with melgross, who argued that with the rapidly changing smart phone environment, apple needs to bring new features via software updates more often than once a year, if it's not gonna intro new hardware more than once a year.



    It's gotta stay competitive, and imho updating hardware and software only once a year isn't enough. Apple needs to do it, thus--if you want to make this insight conform to your p.o.v.--apple will want to do it. And will.



    If the iPhone's gonna remain successful, with all the new products being intro'd with new hardware (better screens, faster processors, for ex) and new software (multitasking, for ex) Apple can't afford to wait 12 months for each significant refresh.



    You are suggesting that Apple remains competitive by responding / reacting to what other companies do. You, of course, have it quite backwards; and I think that point is a little closer to what the original poster was trying to express with their comment.
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  • Reply 37 of 153
    al_bundyal_bundy Posts: 1,525member
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    Originally Posted by isaidso View Post


    You are suggesting that Apple remains competitive by responding / reacting to what other companies do. You, of course, have it quite backwards; and I think that point is a little closer to what the original poster was trying to express with their comment.





    people are buying other phones because they want to listen to Pandora and do something else at the same time. there are nice features coming out for android that apple needs to acknowledge or risk losing sales
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  • Reply 38 of 153
    mrtotesmrtotes Posts: 760member
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    Originally Posted by GreenG4 View Post


    That'spretty much what they did with Mac OS X. (Sold it for $29 to beta testers and developers). I've never seen that example with hardware, though and it doesn't seem likely.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    1) Explain to us why you think Apple will sell to developers first? How do they do that? When have they ever done that?



    I don't think they need to do it this time as the tablet is probably close enough to the iPhone or MacBook not to need to release the hardware to developers but it's not without precedence:



    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...it_photos.html
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  • Reply 39 of 153
    neilmneilm Posts: 1,004member
    The other thing to consider is that Apple doesn't want to release a new iPhone OS version at the same time as the next iPhone hardware, which we may presumably expect this summer. Otherwise there would be another logjam as the rush of new iPhone owners plus millions of existing owners all try to access the iTMS at the same time for registration and updates. We've seen that before, and it ain't pretty.



    It's reasonable to imagine that the next iPhone will also require the next OS to support its features, whatever those may turn out to be. That suggests an iPhone OS 4 release prior to the new phone hardware. Now mix in any possible influence the tablet might have on the OS picture, and it may get even more complicated.



    So I would not be at all surprised to see the next iPhone OS release fairly soon.
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  • Reply 40 of 153
    Apple announces on Jan 27:



    1) the Tablet for delivery late March

    2) an enhanced iPhone/Tablet SDK 4.0 to include new Tablet features and screen sizes

    3) the 4.0 SDK is available today!

    4) the Tablet is carrier neutral



    Depending on how much advantage Apple wants to take of a PSF (Press Speculation Frenzy) they could announce the next version of iPhone, iPod Touch, both or neither.



    I expect them to say nada about the coming iPhone or iPod Touch and focus on the Tablet... and let the speculation run wild.



    5) then, some time in the April-May timeframe Apple announces iPhone 4G, iPod Touch 4G, and a smaller (or larger) Tablet (depending on what ships in March).



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