If Jef Raskin were alive today, I wonder what he'd think of the iPhone and iPad UI. He was an advocate of simplicity, a concept that pretty much got lost in the effort to make computers all-purpose devices.
I dunno, after using another one of his brain childs, the Canon Cat, I'm not sure he is the best reference to hold to...
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I suspect he'd feel somewhat vindicated. But as you say, I think many if not most are missing the potential significance of the iPad. It could change the way people think about how they interface with computing devices. That could be next wave.
This. I think you nailed it. Far more people want an appliance over a general purpose computer. Most people have been forced into them simply because there hasn't been an alternative.
And it's not like general purpose computers are going to go away! I fail to understand why so many people are obviously threatened by the iPad - are they expecting someone to confiscate the computer they have now and replace it with an iPad? Talk about being insecure....
For an awful lot of people it will be the only 'computer' they'll need at home. Not just the 'moms' and 'dads', either. I bring my laptop home ever day but by the time I have time to collapse on the couch most days all I would need is the pad. I'd say 80% of my home computing does not require a powerful machine.
Exactly. I will still keep my Mac Pro for Aperture and Final Cut Studio, but outside of those things instead of this MacBook Pro (that cuts into my wrists - talk about stupid design choice!) I look forward to replacing it with an iPad.
Building previews isn't fast with Aperture, either.
But at least they happen in the background
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On the one hand, it'd be nice to have something as small/lightweight as an iPad to have all that done by the time I get home. On the other hand, the thought of uploading that much data over USB/dock is kinda painful, too.
I was hoping for a hard drive version of the iPad for this reason - would love to dump my photos while shooting. Actually, with the wi-fi grip from Canon (or the newer Eye-fi that can work with ad-hoc wireless) and a hard drive based iPad in my backback....
Where's that homer drool icon???
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Dammit, you are ruining my iPad buzz.
lol - time will tell. Actually, instead of importing what if iAperture just did a "referenced master" thing with the RAW files? Suck in the smaller JPEGs for basic organization, but leave the larger RAW files alone? Yeah, you would need more cards and it wouldn't give you that often desired second copy, but it could be a useful compromise.
Naw, on second thought I like my wi-fi/hard drive iPad vision better
unless you want the device held vertical while you're typing.
It appears that the case Apple is selling with it will do that. And of course third party vendors will have a multitude of cases, some of which certainly will have a keyboard pocket/flap that drops down to typing position while the rest of the case holds the iPad up to typing position--perhaps even with an adjustable angle. See, just like a laptop or 'netbook, no worries. The big scary iPad won't bite you complainers. (not referring to you, nkhm)
?When the Mac first came out, Newsweek asked me what I [thought] of it. I said: Well, it?s the first personal computer worth criticizing. So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you?ll rule the world.?
Zillions? .... just a little exaggeration on your part, don't you think? ... but then I suppose, in this case, even if you had said 10 it would still classify as an exaggeration.
To your 2nd point... I wonder how well the new Palm Pro models' wi-fi sharing works. It let's you use the phone's wi-fi to share it's 3G connection, similar to a mifi card would do. Maybe a feature request for the iPhone...to allow tethering via it's wi-fi connection rather than bluetooth or USB (I assume the current iPhone can't do that in those countries where tethering is allowed?)
Jailbreak your iPhone and use MyWi to create a wireless network for the iPad to use.
Just went back and read the headline of this article. The fact is that the iPad does have a hardware keyboard, but it's optional. With its little Bluetooth keyboard buddy along, it IS a 'netbook if you want it to be. Just more flexible: take the keyboard when you need it, leave it home when you don't. Beating it up because it isn't hinged seems really silly.
Excellent point. and the optional keyboard makes it ideal for students. they can carry just the iPad in a backpack/case at class for notes, read their course books anywhere, and then sit down at a desk that evening with the keyboard for "homework," papers, etc. the one other thing needed for that is blutooth printing, which i have to think the iPad will support too.
of course they can also use it to have fun anytime.
It appears that the case Apple is selling with it will do that. And of course third party vendors will have a multitude of cases, some of which certainly will have a keyboard pocket/flap that drops down to typing position while the rest of the case holds the iPad up to typing position--perhaps even with an adjustable angle. See, just like a laptop or 'netbook, no worries. The big scary iPad won't bite you complainers. (not referring to you, nkhm)
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Excellent point. and the optional keyboard makes it ideal for students. they can carry just the iPad in a backpack/case at class for notes, read their course books anywhere, and then sit down at a desk that evening with the keyboard for "homework," papers, etc. the one other thing needed for that is blutooth printing, which i have to think the iPad will support too.
of course they can also use it to have fun anytime.
gosh, what a hard sell.
While it can be used a stand alone system it's far from ideal if you can't back up the system, import your media into the iPod app, sync it with your iPhone/iPod, use an external HDD, or back up via Time Machine.
Right now, the device is positioned only as an accessory device to a proper PC where it can sync with iTunes. Everything is setup for all those things to happen quickly, but this is Apple, they start with a small focus and build out from there. Part of that focus is for the consumer's benefit. The "it can do almost everything but none of it very well" v. "it can very specific things very well" philosophies.
Also, while think what you two say is inevitable we have to consider that Apple doesn't want a $500 device cannibalizing their MacBook and MacBook Pro sales. I think it would be a trojan horse entry that would more than likely people into more Macs, but they might not see it that way, at least right away.
Um, you are actually trying to be serious? As far as media streaming devices go, I think the X-Box 360 sales dwarf the Apple TV sales, and the PS3 sales dwarf the Apple TV sales.
the vast majority of XBox and PS3 are used only as game consoles, not media extenders. TiVo's are media extenders too, but few are used that way. it would be interesting to see an actual survey of those households that really use anything as a "media extender" a lot - the breakdown among the many varieties of hardware that are available. and now limited versions of media extension are being built directly into TV sets too.
that said, no question AppleTV is falling behind the competition overall. being a part of the Apple iTunes ecosystem is nice, but there is no other compelling capability that sets it apart.
aTVFlash shows its potential, with a browser, some applications, and linkages to many other streaming services. but the UI is still old school on-screen cursor. and the hardware is underpowered, still running a version of Tiger OS.
i hope to see later this year an overhauled ATV with more power, a Leopard-based OS, and a new kind of optional UI using an iPhone/iPad, all allowing for touch control of a browser and apps displayed on your big screen TV, along with all the standard media extender functions. that could be compelling, not just a "hobby."
It's still weeks away, at least 6(?)before the iPad is released and people argue over what it will have and what it won't. It's kinda fun reading some of these posts. I'll take the wait and see approach. Maybe MacWorld will have some goodies revealed for the iPad. I see some starting to show up now.
While it can be used a stand alone system it's far from ideal if you can't back up the system, import your media into the iPod app, sync it with your iPhone/iPod, use an external HDD, or back up via Time Machine.
Right now, the device is positioned only as an accessory device to a proper PC where it can sync with iTunes. Everything is setup for all those things to happen quickly, but this is Apple, they start with a small focus and build out from there. Part of that focus is for the consumer's benefit. The "it can do almost everything but none of it very well" v. "it can very specific things very well" philosophies.
Also, while think what you two say is inevitable we have to consider that Apple doesn't want a $500 device cannibalizing their MacBook and MacBook Pro sales. I think it would be a trojan horse entry that would more than likely people into more Macs, but they might not see it that way, at least right away.
well i think parents are buying a lot of cheap netbooks for students now, only upper income households get them MacBooks. so for every one student MacBook sale cannibalized, several more iPads will be bought instead of a netbook. overall, a net gain.
plus Apple's 30% cut of all sales activity on the platform has to be adding up to some real money. maybe even $1 billion a year now just for the iPhone. add all the iPad's new services and this continuing annual revenue stream from each device begins to be really significant for the long term. most "pundits" and "analysts" haven't caught on to this part of Apple's business strategy yet. but just run the numbers. if there are 100 million iPhone/touch/iPad users in 2011 spending an average of just $100 a year each on whatever, that totals $10 billion - with Apple taking its $3 billion cut off the top. and the growth potential to increase that to a lot more per user each year is tremendous.
the PC synch will back up the iPad and the other things you mention, so i don't see the problem there. if there is no other computer in the house they can't use an iPad anyway. college students away from home will share PC's if they need to.
So the iPad is just a bigger iPod Touch? And that's a bad thing?
Is the 17" MBP just a bigger 13" MBP? And is that a bad thing too?
Too bad, so sad when they have to nit pick!!
I like the thought of more real estate on the desktop. That's why last year I replaced my 20" iMac to a 24" iMac. The iPad with a bigger screen might be good for some of us with older eyes too.
It's still weeks away, at least 6(?)before the iPad is released and people argue over what it will have and what it won't. It's kinda fun reading some of these posts. I'll take the wait and see approach. Maybe MacWorld will have some goodies revealed for the iPad. I see some starting to show up now.
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If Jef Raskin were alive today, I wonder what he'd think of the iPhone and iPad UI. He was an advocate of simplicity, a concept that pretty much got lost in the effort to make computers all-purpose devices.
I dunno, after using another one of his brain childs, the Canon Cat, I'm not sure he is the best reference to hold to...
I suspect he'd feel somewhat vindicated. But as you say, I think many if not most are missing the potential significance of the iPad. It could change the way people think about how they interface with computing devices. That could be next wave.
This. I think you nailed it. Far more people want an appliance over a general purpose computer. Most people have been forced into them simply because there hasn't been an alternative.
And it's not like general purpose computers are going to go away! I fail to understand why so many people are obviously threatened by the iPad - are they expecting someone to confiscate the computer they have now and replace it with an iPad? Talk about being insecure....
For an awful lot of people it will be the only 'computer' they'll need at home. Not just the 'moms' and 'dads', either. I bring my laptop home ever day but by the time I have time to collapse on the couch most days all I would need is the pad. I'd say 80% of my home computing does not require a powerful machine.
Exactly. I will still keep my Mac Pro for Aperture and Final Cut Studio, but outside of those things instead of this MacBook Pro (that cuts into my wrists - talk about stupid design choice!) I look forward to replacing it with an iPad.
Raskin was smart. But I think the Canon Cat and "leap" keys proved he wasn't the ultimate authority on user interface design.
What is certainly true is that the iPad is much closer to a true computing appliance than any other device I can think of.
C.
No, but then, who is the ultimate authority? I just thought it was interesting that the trend may be going back towards some of his basic concepts.
Building previews isn't fast with Aperture, either.
But at least they happen in the background
On the one hand, it'd be nice to have something as small/lightweight as an iPad to have all that done by the time I get home. On the other hand, the thought of uploading that much data over USB/dock is kinda painful, too.
I was hoping for a hard drive version of the iPad for this reason - would love to dump my photos while shooting. Actually, with the wi-fi grip from Canon (or the newer Eye-fi that can work with ad-hoc wireless) and a hard drive based iPad in my backback....
Where's that homer drool icon???
Dammit, you are ruining my iPad buzz.
lol - time will tell. Actually, instead of importing what if iAperture just did a "referenced master" thing with the RAW files? Suck in the smaller JPEGs for basic organization, but leave the larger RAW files alone? Yeah, you would need more cards and it wouldn't give you that often desired second copy, but it could be a useful compromise.
Naw, on second thought I like my wi-fi/hard drive iPad vision better
unless you want the device held vertical while you're typing.
It appears that the case Apple is selling with it will do that. And of course third party vendors will have a multitude of cases, some of which certainly will have a keyboard pocket/flap that drops down to typing position while the rest of the case holds the iPad up to typing position--perhaps even with an adjustable angle. See, just like a laptop or 'netbook, no worries. The big scary iPad won't bite you complainers. (not referring to you, nkhm)
I dunno, after using another one of his brain childs, the Canon Cat, I'm not sure he is the best reference to hold to....
Better to name-drop Alan Kay, who I think deserves more press than Raskin ever did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay
Classic quote from Gigaom:
http://gigaom.com/2010/01/26/alan-ka...ule-the-world/
?When the Mac first came out, Newsweek asked me what I [thought] of it. I said: Well, it?s the first personal computer worth criticizing. So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you?ll rule the world.?
Better to name-drop Alan Kay, who I think deserves more press than Raskin ever did.
Excellent observation - it is indeed sad that I didn't consider him
Zillions of them. Try Office for starters.
Zillions? .... just a little exaggeration on your part, don't you think? ... but then I suppose, in this case, even if you had said 10 it would still classify as an exaggeration.
To your 2nd point... I wonder how well the new Palm Pro models' wi-fi sharing works. It let's you use the phone's wi-fi to share it's 3G connection, similar to a mifi card would do. Maybe a feature request for the iPhone...to allow tethering via it's wi-fi connection rather than bluetooth or USB (I assume the current iPhone can't do that in those countries where tethering is allowed?)
Jailbreak your iPhone and use MyWi to create a wireless network for the iPad to use.
Now I will be accused of being negative and a troll but I could care less.
Why should you? .... not like it hasn't happened before .... and with good reason, I might add.
Just went back and read the headline of this article. The fact is that the iPad does have a hardware keyboard, but it's optional. With its little Bluetooth keyboard buddy along, it IS a 'netbook if you want it to be. Just more flexible: take the keyboard when you need it, leave it home when you don't. Beating it up because it isn't hinged seems really silly.
Excellent point. and the optional keyboard makes it ideal for students. they can carry just the iPad in a backpack/case at class for notes, read their course books anywhere, and then sit down at a desk that evening with the keyboard for "homework," papers, etc. the one other thing needed for that is blutooth printing, which i have to think the iPad will support too.
of course they can also use it to have fun anytime.
gosh, what a hard sell.
It appears that the case Apple is selling with it will do that. And of course third party vendors will have a multitude of cases, some of which certainly will have a keyboard pocket/flap that drops down to typing position while the rest of the case holds the iPad up to typing position--perhaps even with an adjustable angle. See, just like a laptop or 'netbook, no worries. The big scary iPad won't bite you complainers. (not referring to you, nkhm)
Excellent point. and the optional keyboard makes it ideal for students. they can carry just the iPad in a backpack/case at class for notes, read their course books anywhere, and then sit down at a desk that evening with the keyboard for "homework," papers, etc. the one other thing needed for that is blutooth printing, which i have to think the iPad will support too.
of course they can also use it to have fun anytime.
gosh, what a hard sell.
While it can be used a stand alone system it's far from ideal if you can't back up the system, import your media into the iPod app, sync it with your iPhone/iPod, use an external HDD, or back up via Time Machine.
Right now, the device is positioned only as an accessory device to a proper PC where it can sync with iTunes. Everything is setup for all those things to happen quickly, but this is Apple, they start with a small focus and build out from there. Part of that focus is for the consumer's benefit. The "it can do almost everything but none of it very well" v. "it can very specific things very well" philosophies.
Also, while think what you two say is inevitable we have to consider that Apple doesn't want a $500 device cannibalizing their MacBook and MacBook Pro sales. I think it would be a trojan horse entry that would more than likely people into more Macs, but they might not see it that way, at least right away.
Um, you are actually trying to be serious? As far as media streaming devices go, I think the X-Box 360 sales dwarf the Apple TV sales, and the PS3 sales dwarf the Apple TV sales.
the vast majority of XBox and PS3 are used only as game consoles, not media extenders. TiVo's are media extenders too, but few are used that way. it would be interesting to see an actual survey of those households that really use anything as a "media extender" a lot - the breakdown among the many varieties of hardware that are available. and now limited versions of media extension are being built directly into TV sets too.
that said, no question AppleTV is falling behind the competition overall. being a part of the Apple iTunes ecosystem is nice, but there is no other compelling capability that sets it apart.
aTVFlash shows its potential, with a browser, some applications, and linkages to many other streaming services. but the UI is still old school on-screen cursor. and the hardware is underpowered, still running a version of Tiger OS.
i hope to see later this year an overhauled ATV with more power, a Leopard-based OS, and a new kind of optional UI using an iPhone/iPad, all allowing for touch control of a browser and apps displayed on your big screen TV, along with all the standard media extender functions. that could be compelling, not just a "hobby."
Better to name-drop Alan Kay, who I think deserves more press than Raskin ever did.
Raskin never did get any press, certainly not more than Alan Kay, so that's kind of a deceptive statement. Besides, it isn't a competition.
Is the 17" MBP just a bigger 13" MBP? And is that a bad thing too?
http://www.cnet.com/2300-31324_1-10002409.html
While it can be used a stand alone system it's far from ideal if you can't back up the system, import your media into the iPod app, sync it with your iPhone/iPod, use an external HDD, or back up via Time Machine.
Right now, the device is positioned only as an accessory device to a proper PC where it can sync with iTunes. Everything is setup for all those things to happen quickly, but this is Apple, they start with a small focus and build out from there. Part of that focus is for the consumer's benefit. The "it can do almost everything but none of it very well" v. "it can very specific things very well" philosophies.
Also, while think what you two say is inevitable we have to consider that Apple doesn't want a $500 device cannibalizing their MacBook and MacBook Pro sales. I think it would be a trojan horse entry that would more than likely people into more Macs, but they might not see it that way, at least right away.
well i think parents are buying a lot of cheap netbooks for students now, only upper income households get them MacBooks. so for every one student MacBook sale cannibalized, several more iPads will be bought instead of a netbook. overall, a net gain.
plus Apple's 30% cut of all sales activity on the platform has to be adding up to some real money. maybe even $1 billion a year now just for the iPhone. add all the iPad's new services and this continuing annual revenue stream from each device begins to be really significant for the long term. most "pundits" and "analysts" haven't caught on to this part of Apple's business strategy yet. but just run the numbers. if there are 100 million iPhone/touch/iPad users in 2011 spending an average of just $100 a year each on whatever, that totals $10 billion - with Apple taking its $3 billion cut off the top. and the growth potential to increase that to a lot more per user each year is tremendous.
the PC synch will back up the iPad and the other things you mention, so i don't see the problem there. if there is no other computer in the house they can't use an iPad anyway. college students away from home will share PC's if they need to.
Nobody has to spin anything to be impressed by 0.5", 1.5 lb device, that has a 9.7" web browser.
[CENTER]and...
What exactly does the iPad do that any number of other (more capable/versatile) 'devices' do far better at a much lower price point?
Exactly... Nothing! (at least at this point)[/CENTER]
So the iPad is just a bigger iPod Touch? And that's a bad thing?
Is the 17" MBP just a bigger 13" MBP? And is that a bad thing too?
Too bad, so sad when they have to nit pick!!
I like the thought of more real estate on the desktop. That's why last year I replaced my 20" iMac to a 24" iMac. The iPad with a bigger screen might be good for some of us with older eyes too.
It's still weeks away, at least 6(?)before the iPad is released and people argue over what it will have and what it won't. It's kinda fun reading some of these posts. I'll take the wait and see approach. Maybe MacWorld will have some goodies revealed for the iPad. I see some starting to show up now.
http://www.cnet.com/2300-31324_1-10002409.html
The Kickback stand and the bluetooth keyboard are my accessories of choice.