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  • Reply 301 of 450
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    Just an observation... what's up with all your text being centered?



    He thinks he's pretty cool. Doesn't realize that most people who know this just sigh, roll their eyes, and go right past this affectation..... i.e., ignore it, basically.
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  • Reply 302 of 450
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    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    Isn't the UI of the iPad already finished? From what we've already seen, I don't think we're gonna have that functionality. And Apple only seems to update its mobile OSes (major update) once a year.



    Yeah, That's worrisome. My expectation - well, I guess 'hope' is a better word -- is that it will ultimately be a software fix of some kind (a la cut/copy/paste).
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  • Reply 303 of 450
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    Originally Posted by iGenius View Post


    Actually, the vast majority of folks are NOT iPhone users, much less the dumb-as-a-post type usually cited as the ideal iPhone demographic.



    You have to remember that Quadro has a selective view of the world. He forgets that the vast majority of the world is actually running Symbian and BlackBerry OS by a good margin. While we may think the US market numbers are a big deal (assuming he's referring to iPhone sales here), the reality is that the US is still a niche market.



    Unless he means here on the forums to which I then say "thanks Captain Obvious".
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  • Reply 304 of 450
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    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    While true that iPhone OS 4.0 will out this summer, how would it be possible to make it dramatically different without also changing the dynamic of the iPad as well (as far as the UI goes).



    I mean, I don't envision seeing anything as advanced as the new MS OS's interface this year. I mean, we have static (for the most part) buttons on our iPhone littered through pages and pages. Microsoft is using large tiles with dynamic pictures, message, Facebook status update, weather information, etc, within easy reach.



    The move, visual wise, from the iPhone OS to the new Windows Phone 7 Series looks about as amazing as everything leading up to the iPhone and the actual announcement of the iPhone.



    That being said, I'm giving MS the benefit of the doubt here. Most people just blindly bash MS, so my words are likely lost in the mix anyway



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    Let us says tiles are a fantastic idea - then what is all about live stuff? You need an aquarium with fish and squid floating around? Common - this thing is a phone and not a PC running on AC mains. Power consumption is pretty important.



    iPhone has badges and Notifications. Well written applications can do a lot of wonderful things.
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  • Reply 305 of 450
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    Isn't the UI of the iPad already finished? From what we've already seen, I don't think we're gonna have that functionality. And Apple only seems to update its mobile OSes (major update) once a year.



    You never know... maybe Apple used 3.2 simply to give an overall view of the OS to devs. Then, when 4.0 launches, they might introduce some kind of Dashboard, so you can have mutli-tasking in it: a Pandora widget, a IM widget, as well as the standard Weather/Stocks/Calculator/Clock ones.



    Or maybe that's wishful thinking of mine.
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  • Reply 306 of 450
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post


    lol Apple became the most profitable by making an attractive consumer proposition at low production cost but high consumer cost.



    How crazy is that? Consumers willing to spend money on reliable phones that they can use. Are you now going to tell me how Japan and S. Korea's phones are so advanced that Apple could never make a dent in those advanced markets?





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    Who said anything about unregulated multitasking with no developer oversight?



    I've asked for clarification on many occasions as to how multitasking would be done on the iPhone yet the only response is to make it like WebOS and Android. Even an concept as to how a consumer-freindly multitasking would take place would give a little credibility to the desired feature instead of typical rant. It gets old, quickly.



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    The closest i get to pandora is shoutcast, and yes it is irritating having to kill my radio to do other things. It sure would be nice not to kill my game to go grab an email, but ultimately to me, i hardly use any games, or any apps to make multitasking of any real value.



    And those are real reasons to want multitasking. I've used it in my jailbroken iPhone and want it the official build, what I don't want is anything you guys have been saying about how it should work or this fallacy that it doesn't degrade the UX.



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    He never claimed that.



    Let's examine what he said.
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    As far as your claim that multi-tasking results in suffering 'performance and battery life', I direct to Motorola's DROID, which multi-task any/all installed apps yet still consistently achieves greater battery autonomy than my iPhone 3GS.



    That is a clear inference of multitasking has no affect on the system despite my claims that it does. I can point you to many websites backing up my own experiences. This isn't a court of law so there are no need for legal loopholes he can fall through by saying "{center}I never said those exact words{/center}". If you two were to be rational about it you would say something along the lines of "opening a music streaming app to run in the background, which most people want anyway, uses little additional resources and therefore impacts the battery very little. It's only when you max out the RAM by having an excessive number of apps running that the performance and battery take a severe hit."



    My 3GS used only used about 5% an hour with Pandora running in the background. I know this because I actually tested this. My comments on backgrounding are coming from experience not some emotion filled desire to hate on Apple for not supplying this feature back in 2007.



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    the only one of interest for me is the pre, but its underpowered and not here. But, their style of multitasking seems pretty simple, even for the average moron.



    Yes, the swipe to switch apps is nice, but that is where it ends. What apps are available to be running in this mode? How would you access a similar card overlay on the iPhone? Will Apple have you press once to see these apps if you have multitasking turned on, will you press and hold (slow method), press the Home Button twice like you can do to access other functions you can set in Settings or something else entirely? How many apps will be allowed? How will a delegation of apps be handled? Running in the background for set time without being used or simply kicking it out when the RAM runs out (neither is ideal)? You have to think about the logistics in some way or these all-or-nothing and "but x-product does it" comments will just come across as moronic.
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  • Reply 307 of 450
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    [CENTER]No... They aren't, and they ring extraordinarily true to the more rational in this forum.



    Bottom Line: The ZUNE Phone has arrived, and it's a masterpiece.[/CENTER]



    Nothing has ARRIVED....... it has merely been conceived - big difference. Nice concept though, will be interesting to see how this one develops.
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  • Reply 308 of 450
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kzbk81 View Post


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    Let us says tiles are a fantastic idea - then what is all about live stuff? You need an aquarium with fish and squid floating around? Common - this thing is a phone and not a PC running on AC mains. Power consumption is pretty important.



    iPhone has badges and Notifications. Well written applications can do a lot of wonderful things.



    Aquarium with fish floating around? What the heck are you talking about?



    We're talking about simple email subject headers/Facebook status notifications and the like that are dynamically updated when needed. We're talking about informational stuff and you're going off the deep end to the extreme -- literally.



    I know people think that Microsoft is downright stupid, but do you REALLY think that they are just gonna let this stuff drain the battery all to hell? They'd be crucified.



    On my iPhone, it's constantly pinging email, texts, Facebook push notifications, and my MSN/AIM push notifications with IM+ Lite. I haven't seen any dramatic decrease in battery life.



    Again, I'm not taking MS to be idiots here -- I think they know a thing or two about power management.



    I just wish that people could get over the mentality that ONLY Apple can do things right.
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  • Reply 309 of 450
    mazda 3smazda 3s Posts: 1,613member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lukeskymac View Post


    You never know... maybe Apple used 3.2 simply to give an overall view of the OS to devs. Then, when 4.0 launches, they might introduce some kind of Dashboard, so you can have mutli-tasking in it: a Pandora widget, a IM widget, as well as the standard Weather/Stocks/Calculator/Clock ones.



    Or maybe that's wishful thinking of mine.



    But they weren't just showing it to devs, they were showing it to the whole world with many potential customers locking their eyes on it.



    I'm just going by what Apple has done in the past. Has Apple ever launched a new mobile product -- or a mobile OS update for that matter -- showed off the operating system and all of its functionality, then a few months down the road revamped the whole thing or added a lot more features to it?



    It's just not something that Apple typically does.
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  • Reply 310 of 450
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    Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post


    He forgets that the vast majority of the world is actually running Symbian and BlackBerry OS by a good margin. While we may think the US market numbers are a big deal (assuming he's referring to iPhone sales here), the reality is that the US is still a niche market.



    And you forget that Apple makes a bigger profit from its phones than Nokia and RIM put together.



    Niche market..... yeah...
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  • Reply 311 of 450
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    And you forget that Apple makes a bigger profit from its phones than Nokia and RIM put together.



    Niche market..... yeah...



    Companies are more than willing to sacrifice profits for market penetration because it helps more in the long run. The more handsets you have on the market, the more control and influence you have.



    Besides, money lining Apple's pockets does not improve the iPhone experience. Unless you get some sort of primal joy off seeing sales figures.
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  • Reply 312 of 450
    ifailifail Posts: 463member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    http://www.riagenic.com/archives/249



    http://www.neowin.net/news/ex-micros...in.net+News%29



    Ex-Microsoft employee compares Windows Phone 7 to Vista



    By Tom Warren



    Scott Barnes, formerly a Microsoft Rich Platform Product Manager (WPF & Silverlight), has voiced his opinions on the Windows Phone 7 user interface (UI).



    Barnes covers various topics of thought on the Windows Phone 7 announcements and admits when he initially saw the early specs, whilst he was working at Microsoft, he was "a little jaded with the whole level of commitment to the UX." He compares the new UI to that of the iPhone:



    "the UI is trying a little to hard to do the opposite of the iPhone, like it?s a challenge they need to rise up against. Examples like no Icons, panning up/down instead of left / right for content etc seems to pack a little too much anti-iPhone."



    Barnes also feels the Windows Phone 7 launch is similar to Vista. "This is the Windows Vista launch, as after some code resets and downward pressure from above this is almost exactly the same internal conditions Windows Vista team had before their launch, 'get it to market, get it fast and we?ll come back around for the bits we wanted to put in place'."



    After playing with a Windows Phone 7 series device I have similar concerns about the user interface. It's fast and gives you a quick overview of information but having to "Pivot" (slide) through panels of information isn't natural and could easily cause usability issues. Sliding to different parts of content is fine in principle, providing you know there's more content to slide to and you have a preview or understanding of what content you can slide to in either direction. I feel that Windows Phone 7 doesn't address this and buries options and content too far into what is referred to as a "Hub".



    Microsoft switched their strategy for Windows Mobile approximately two years ago when they decided to "reset". Similar to the Longhorn (Vista) reset and subsequent development of Windows 7, Windows Mobile internal groups went through restructuring and a series of changes designed to improve the development process. I can't help but feel despite this effort, and the tasks involved, that it could be too late. The UI is basic and doesn't offer anything really compelling that makes you want to purchase a Windows Phone 7 device yet. The integration with web services is fantastic and a great step in the right direction but the UI is lacking somewhat. HTC spent years covering up the UI problems in Windows Mobile and Microsoft seems to have addressed this by ensuring every part of the OS now looks the same and functions the same. The problem is by doing this they have lost a great UI that they could have embraced and built upon in partnership with HTC. It's still not fully clear whether HTC will bring a cut down version of Sense to Windows Phone 7. The company could a Start Screen tile or Custom Hub. Loking at Windows Phone 6.5 with the Sense UI and comparing this to Windows Phone 7, I don't get the feeling of "wow" or usability that I get with the HTC Sense bar or impressive weather animations. The rest of the Windows Mobile 6.5 operating system underneath isn't as consistent however, Windows Phone 7 fixes that issue.



    Despite my UI reservations, Microsoft has many months until Windows Phone 7 will hit the market. We know very little about how applications will interface with the operating system and which developers plan to create Windows Phone 7 apps. The juicy details of how Windows Phone 7 will position itself in the market won't arrive for another few weeks until MIX 2010 in March. Meanwhile Apple is likely to react to the announcements with its own plans for the iPhone OS 4.0 and next generation iPhone device due in June/July. If Apple has some interesting changes to their iPhone OS and impressive hardware then Microsoft could be on the back foot before Windows Phone 7 Series devices have even shipped.





    Sounds like someone is bitter he left Microsoft. How the hell is the UI anti-iPhone? Its the same damn UI from the Zune lol. There is no wow factor with HTC Sense, if there is it most likely came from "Wow, i can actually use this phone since its not a total eye sore and piece of crap 6.5.



    This blows the Sense UI out the water, also im questioning this guy because he says one doesnt know if there is more content to be scrolled to...i guess thats why MS put that nice little UI touch where you can see the beginning of the next slide in your current window.
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  • Reply 313 of 450
    Wow... just wow. If I was in a Warner Bros. cartoon my jaw would be on the ground right about now.



    Not only is that thing much for functional than any other device on the market, it's beautiful. The UI looks colourful and vibrant and alive.



    Suddenly the iPhone's monotone conformity is looking VERY drab and VERY dated.



    I've just got so many questions though. Like can they actually deliver this on time? Or will Apple\\Google\\etc come out with something in the next 12 months that will wipe the floor with this? Or can Microsoft convince enough developers to create for Win7 Mobile so they can compete with the App Store.



    In any case it's going to be an interesting 12 months!!!!!
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  • Reply 314 of 450
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post


    Just an observation... what's up with all your text being centered?



    Because...



    Before I retired from the USAF a few years ago I had an accident involving a hydrazine tank explosion that seriously impaired my vision. I center my posts so that they're easier for me to identify in a sea of (otherwise) blurry scribbles.



    BTW... Thanks for the positive and insightful input.
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  • Reply 315 of 450
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post


    I created Windows Phone 7



    I bought the company and gave the money back to the share holders,



    no wait - that was Dell - sorry, my bad
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  • Reply 316 of 450
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    [CENTER]No... They aren't, and they ring extraordinarily true to the more rational in this forum.



    Bottom Line: The ZUNE Phone has arrived, and it's a masterpiece.[/CENTER]



    It has?



    I don't see it, - I just don't see it as a masterpiece.



    They've gone to a LOT of effort, but it's just so damn obvious that most of their effort

    was to make it as different as possible to the UI of the iPhone. Was that MS's intention?
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  • Reply 317 of 450
    wilwil Posts: 170member
    From the look of things, this thread will have 5000 posts or more by the time Microsoft release Windows Phone 7. Just for that, I can't wait to see the comparison thread between the iPhone , Android, WebOS and Win Phone 7 at the end of the year. That would make for a very long entertaining read during the holiday season and winter of 2011 .
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  • Reply 318 of 450
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    [CENTER]No... They aren't, and they ring extraordinarily true to the more rational in this forum.



    Bottom Line: The ZUNE Phone has arrived, and it's a masterpiece.[/CENTER]



    Until the next iPhone.



    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359245,00.asp



    "The phones will be owned by OEMs, and you'll see different form factors and choices,"



    Which by default nullifies any real advantage this device could have had.



    Microsoft again opts to stick to the fragmented mess model (a la Google) which is designed up to appeal to everyone but the end users.
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  • Reply 319 of 450
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    Originally Posted by OzExige View Post


    It has?

    I don't see it, - I just don't see it as a masterpiece.



    They've gone to a LOT of effort, but it's just so damn obvious that most of their effort

    was to make it as different as possible to the UI of the iPhone. Was that MS's intention?



    Why would they want to copy the iPhone interface when they can create something much better?



    What Microsoft have done is highlight just how boring and dated the iPhone UI is. Someone had better tell Steve it's time for an update.



    The problem is that I see a masterpiece, but it's only a promise. I don't see any actual phones. 12 months is a lifetime in the mobile world and Apple\\Google could overhaul their own UIs and leave Microsoft behind before a Win7 mobile ever hits the store shelves.



    I'm also interested to see if Microsoft can actually make their UI work fast and without chewing through the battery. The iPhone may be looking dated, but at least it is very fast and very kind to the battery.
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  • Reply 320 of 450
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post


    Until the next iPhone.



    [CENTER]...and exactly how would the introduction of a new iPhone diminish the aesthetic/functional advancements (seemingly) made by this GUI?



    Reality: Apple's pretty locked into the whole 'grid of icons' as an application launcher theme, and they probably won't be straying too far from that system any time soon.



    Apple's 'system' works well, but it hasn't been state of the art (from a design/aesthetic perspective) for quite some time now.

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