It was bound to happen. No one has made a touch-screen phone before the iPhone. So, how are they going to make one without infringing on Apple patents.
Expect more lawsuits. This is just an opening shot.
Just a correction. Lots of other companies have made touch-screen phones before the iPhone.
It's the multi-touch, among possibly some other things, that they haven't done.
It was bound to happen. No one has made a touch-screen phone before the iPhone. So, how are they going to make one without infringing on Apple patents.
Expect more lawsuits. This is just an opening shot.
Handspring (ne Palm) released a touch screen phone in 2002 called the Treo.
I have owned the Treo, Treo600, and an iPhone in the past decade. The iPhone interface is a huge departure from what came before, but it is not the touch screen, it is the size, and the multi-touch experience that set it apart.
I have been waiting for this lawsuit for the past 3? years, since the first 'multi-touch' phone became available from HTC and T-Mobile. Put every other aspect aside - apple has patented the multi-touch experience, cover flow and their take on the software keyboard.
Palm offered nothing like it. WiMo (yeah right) offered nothing like it, and to the best of my knowledge, Nokia offered nothing like it. This lawsuit may be one of many steps in a dance to clarify who 'owns' and who licenses these technologies. My guess? HTC, Nokia, Palm end up as licensees.
The fact that both WinMo and Android-based HTC phones are being targeted, suggests that it is something specific about HTC's handsets, such as the Sense UI maybe?
The Nexus One doesn't use Sense UI so I doubt that is the reason.
The Nexus One doesn't use Sense UI so I doubt that is the reason.
There are 20 reasons, so that could be one them, or elements of it could be I'm sure. Interesting to see how it pans out when more details become available. I'm very interested in the patents that are included.
Assuming HTC is guilty (which they might not be), wouldn't we all be better off it HTC found another, hopefully better, faster, efficient, way to implement an objects, multi-touch, power saving, etc? How does it advance technology for them to do it the exact same way?
Exactly. Moreover, there is nothing that says HTC shouldn't or couldn't use Apple's IP. They then have to simply pay for it.
Nokia sues Apple -> "This lawsuit is without merit and Nokia are only doing this out of desperation."
Apple sues HTC -> "HTC need to stop copying Apple! This is an outrage!!!!"
Of course, everyone on here is an expert in patent law so it's cool.
I think it's funny how everyone wanted to find out the details, and then when AppleInsider publishes them, the majority of the debate is still a "he said, she said" over whether Apple is "scared" and how patent law works.
Absolutely no one has anything to say about the idea that the HTC touch keyboard might infringe, or the lock screen, or really *any* of the details. We might just as well be slapping each other with fish for all the progress this "debate" is making.
Nokia sues Apple -> "This lawsuit is without merit and Nokia are only doing this out of desperation."
Apple sues HTC -> "HTC need to stop copying Apple! This is an outrage!!!!"
Of course, everyone on here is an expert in patent law so it's cool.
Yet I recall seeing that the other way, too. I think it's fair to say that some will always side with Apple here, some against, but most are objective in their comments.
I think it's funny how everyone wanted to find out the details, and then when AppleInsider publishes them, the majority of the debate is still a "he said, she said" over whether Apple is "scared" and how patent law works.
Absolutely no one has anything to say about the idea that the HTC touch keyboard might infringe, or the lock screen, or really *any* of the details. We might just as well be slapping each other with fish for all the progress this "debate" is making.
It's the tabloid generation. People don't actually care about the facts or details, just the sensational emotionally-driven speculation about motives.
This will go on for a few days before the emotion peters out, everyone satisfied that they were right; facts be damned.
I believe you may have ignorantly assumed all countries in the world use the USD. Sure HTC have a 257.2Billion market cap. But that is Taiwan New Dollars which with todays exchange rate is about 8 Billion USD. Apple on the hand has a market cap of 189.3 Billion USD and is holding close to 40 Billion USD in Cash and Short Term liquid Assets. So all of HTC is worth less than 25% of the spare cash Apple has lying about the place. ;-)
A cheap clone from China? Really? Do some research on a company before you make ignorant statements.
Have you ever even used an HTC Phone?
With what knowledge do you make such a blanket statement about a company or the product they manufacture?
Now I *know* you are really teckstud like some people say.
Only he would quote himself (and a quote that makes him look like a complete fool as well), and then instead of quoting what I already replied to the original quote, pastes on a completely unrelated "reply" from me on a totally different aspect.
Quite a few of those seem like a total lock by Apple. Very serious stuff, especially the Federal court ones. Thanks for posting the link.
I don't see Apple making these kind of claims without intending to fight right to the end with them. Considering at the end of the day Apple could probably buy HTC outright and shut them down, I don't see Apple losing the game either.
I think the best outcome would be if Google would just concede and licence the technology from Apple. Save everyone a lot of headaches and money.
...#7,007,239, "Method and apparatus for accessing a contacts database and telephone services" i.e. phone.app including buttons in the phone.app UI to bring up contacts, history, etc. In fact the diagram in the Palm patent submission is almost a diagram of the iPhone phone UI but was from 2006.
Does Apple even license any of these technologies?
Probably not, but someone should at least try, no?
I think what Apple has done here is to fire a very broad warning shot to a whole lot of manufacturers, esp. Motorola. I'll bet MOT's lawyers are poring through every word of that filing, looking for where and when the ax could fall.
HTC Android phones have been creeping up their functionality in imitation of the iPhone for some time.
Adding a bit here, an update there pushing, pushing, pushing.
Time to stop and develop their own.
13 years, only 5 years after the Apple Newton.
Multi-touch existed before the iPhone you know.
Will Google be able to sue Apple if they ever implement multi-tasking in the iPhone?
There has to be common sense used with these kind of disputes. Android is an evolution of iPhone OS, the next step forward, just as iPhone OS was an evolution over Windows Mobile etc. I imagine Windows Phone 7 will be an evolution over Android. Everyone builds one the basic ideas of others.
BTW, did you have a look at the comments over at engadget. People are just going crazy over the fact that Apple is filing this lawsuit. I mean, ok, some of these patents look rather silly, but overall, they should protect their IP.
And the same goes for other companies. If they do inventions, they have to protect them.
And what Apple really did with the iPhone is not finding some cutting edge technology, because everything in it already existed, they just put the things together in a way nobody had ever done before, and added the required software.
And how exactly would Apple know such a thing? Reverse engineer htc devices? Isn't that illegal?
If they didn't, then aren't they going out on a limb and guessing the same methods are used?
When you put your finger on the virtual keyboard on an iPhone, a "tab" pops up above your finger with the selected key shown larger, at which time, if you've pressed the wrong key, you can slide your finger in the appropriate direction to find the right key before you make a mistake.
If the HTC phones do that, it is a violation of Apple patents.
There are countless other examples of this type of implementation that would be the subject of the lawsuit.
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It was bound to happen. No one has made a touch-screen phone before the iPhone. So, how are they going to make one without infringing on Apple patents.
Expect more lawsuits. This is just an opening shot.
Just a correction. Lots of other companies have made touch-screen phones before the iPhone.
It's the multi-touch, among possibly some other things, that they haven't done.
Nokia sues Apple -> "This lawsuit is without merit and Nokia are only doing this out of desperation."
Apple sues HTC -> "HTC need to stop copying Apple! This is an outrage!!!!"
Of course, everyone on here is an expert in patent law so it's cool.
It was bound to happen. No one has made a touch-screen phone before the iPhone. So, how are they going to make one without infringing on Apple patents.
Expect more lawsuits. This is just an opening shot.
Handspring (ne Palm) released a touch screen phone in 2002 called the Treo.
I have owned the Treo, Treo600, and an iPhone in the past decade. The iPhone interface is a huge departure from what came before, but it is not the touch screen, it is the size, and the multi-touch experience that set it apart.
I have been waiting for this lawsuit for the past 3? years, since the first 'multi-touch' phone became available from HTC and T-Mobile. Put every other aspect aside - apple has patented the multi-touch experience, cover flow and their take on the software keyboard.
Palm offered nothing like it. WiMo (yeah right) offered nothing like it, and to the best of my knowledge, Nokia offered nothing like it. This lawsuit may be one of many steps in a dance to clarify who 'owns' and who licenses these technologies. My guess? HTC, Nokia, Palm end up as licensees.
The fact that both WinMo and Android-based HTC phones are being targeted, suggests that it is something specific about HTC's handsets, such as the Sense UI maybe?
The Nexus One doesn't use Sense UI so I doubt that is the reason.
The Nexus One doesn't use Sense UI so I doubt that is the reason.
There are 20 reasons, so that could be one them, or elements of it could be I'm sure. Interesting to see how it pans out when more details become available. I'm very interested in the patents that are included.
How does it stifle innovation?
Assuming HTC is guilty (which they might not be), wouldn't we all be better off it HTC found another, hopefully better, faster, efficient, way to implement an objects, multi-touch, power saving, etc? How does it advance technology for them to do it the exact same way?
Exactly. Moreover, there is nothing that says HTC shouldn't or couldn't use Apple's IP. They then have to simply pay for it.
It's funny seeing how some people react to this.
Nokia sues Apple -> "This lawsuit is without merit and Nokia are only doing this out of desperation."
Apple sues HTC -> "HTC need to stop copying Apple! This is an outrage!!!!"
Of course, everyone on here is an expert in patent law so it's cool.
I think it's funny how everyone wanted to find out the details, and then when AppleInsider publishes them, the majority of the debate is still a "he said, she said" over whether Apple is "scared" and how patent law works.
Absolutely no one has anything to say about the idea that the HTC touch keyboard might infringe, or the lock screen, or really *any* of the details. We might just as well be slapping each other with fish for all the progress this "debate" is making.
It's funny seeing how some people react to this.
Nokia sues Apple -> "This lawsuit is without merit and Nokia are only doing this out of desperation."
Apple sues HTC -> "HTC need to stop copying Apple! This is an outrage!!!!"
Of course, everyone on here is an expert in patent law so it's cool.
Yet I recall seeing that the other way, too. I think it's fair to say that some will always side with Apple here, some against, but most are objective in their comments.
I think it's funny how everyone wanted to find out the details, and then when AppleInsider publishes them, the majority of the debate is still a "he said, she said" over whether Apple is "scared" and how patent law works.
Absolutely no one has anything to say about the idea that the HTC touch keyboard might infringe, or the lock screen, or really *any* of the details. We might just as well be slapping each other with fish for all the progress this "debate" is making.
It's the tabloid generation. People don't actually care about the facts or details, just the sensational emotionally-driven speculation about motives.
This will go on for a few days before the emotion peters out, everyone satisfied that they were right; facts be damned.
Your lack of knowledge and ignorance given the comment above is amazing.
You do realize that HTC has a 260 Billion dollar market cap as of today.
http://investing.businessweek.com/re...ticker=2498:TT
I believe you may have ignorantly assumed all countries in the world use the USD. Sure HTC have a 257.2Billion market cap. But that is Taiwan New Dollars which with todays exchange rate is about 8 Billion USD. Apple on the hand has a market cap of 189.3 Billion USD and is holding close to 40 Billion USD in Cash and Short Term liquid Assets. So all of HTC is worth less than 25% of the spare cash Apple has lying about the place. ;-)
A cheap clone from China? Really? Do some research on a company before you make ignorant statements.
Have you ever even used an HTC Phone?
With what knowledge do you make such a blanket statement about a company or the product they manufacture?
Now I *know* you are really teckstud like some people say.
Only he would quote himself (and a quote that makes him look like a complete fool as well), and then instead of quoting what I already replied to the original quote, pastes on a completely unrelated "reply" from me on a totally different aspect.
Complete gibberish.
And now for something informative to get away from AngusYoung's odious trolling...
Woah.
Quite a few of those seem like a total lock by Apple. Very serious stuff, especially the Federal court ones. Thanks for posting the link.
I don't see Apple making these kind of claims without intending to fight right to the end with them. Considering at the end of the day Apple could probably buy HTC outright and shut them down, I don't see Apple losing the game either.
I think the best outcome would be if Google would just concede and licence the technology from Apple. Save everyone a lot of headaches and money.
Such as patents that Palm holds...
...#7,007,239, "Method and apparatus for accessing a contacts database and telephone services" i.e. phone.app including buttons in the phone.app UI to bring up contacts, history, etc. In fact the diagram in the Palm patent submission is almost a diagram of the iPhone phone UI but was from 2006.
Hey how's Skype coming along with the 3G thing?
I haven't noticed any updates yet.
I think the best outcome would be if Google would just concede and licence the technology from Apple. Save everyone a lot of headaches and money.
Does Apple even license any of these technologies?
Does Apple even license any of these technologies?
Probably not, but someone should at least try, no?
I think what Apple has done here is to fire a very broad warning shot to a whole lot of manufacturers, esp. Motorola. I'll bet MOT's lawyers are poring through every word of that filing, looking for where and when the ax could fall.
Apple is taking it just one step at a time.
HTC Android phones have been creeping up their functionality in imitation of the iPhone for some time.
Adding a bit here, an update there pushing, pushing, pushing.
Time to stop and develop their own.
13 years, only 5 years after the Apple Newton.
Multi-touch existed before the iPhone you know.
Will Google be able to sue Apple if they ever implement multi-tasking in the iPhone?
There has to be common sense used with these kind of disputes. Android is an evolution of iPhone OS, the next step forward, just as iPhone OS was an evolution over Windows Mobile etc. I imagine Windows Phone 7 will be an evolution over Android. Everyone builds one the basic ideas of others.
And now for something informative to get away from AngusYoung's odious trolling...
Thanks for the link, the explanations are great.
BTW, did you have a look at the comments over at engadget. People are just going crazy over the fact that Apple is filing this lawsuit. I mean, ok, some of these patents look rather silly, but overall, they should protect their IP.
And the same goes for other companies. If they do inventions, they have to protect them.
And what Apple really did with the iPhone is not finding some cutting edge technology, because everything in it already existed, they just put the things together in a way nobody had ever done before, and added the required software.
And how exactly would Apple know such a thing? Reverse engineer htc devices? Isn't that illegal?
If they didn't, then aren't they going out on a limb and guessing the same methods are used?
When you put your finger on the virtual keyboard on an iPhone, a "tab" pops up above your finger with the selected key shown larger, at which time, if you've pressed the wrong key, you can slide your finger in the appropriate direction to find the right key before you make a mistake.
If the HTC phones do that, it is a violation of Apple patents.
There are countless other examples of this type of implementation that would be the subject of the lawsuit.