I want a widget layer for the iPad. Same OS X widgets should run as is on the iPad. Easy to do, since the widget layer will be based on Webkit. Widgets are done with HTML, CSS and JavaScript, so it is like having a web app running in the background.
I'm pretty technically sophisticated, but I don't want to be carrying around a phone with OS X on it that resembles my computers at home. When I use it, I want it to be fast and easy. And I do have over 100 apps. If Apple has to come out with some crappy task manager, they're screwed.
Amen to that. The multi tasking point is being overstated. There is room for improvement but people seem to completely not get the advantage of limited multi tasking. The simplification it offers is not just for the technologically challenged. Most of the time we perform one task at the time. Not having to think about a task started and not completed makes for a simplified experience. When it comes to the iPhone, Touch, and I suspect the iPad, user experience simplicity is absolutely key.
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Apple is building a platform for the long term. They don't do what so many other companies try, which is to do something different several few months, or every year, to try to figure out how it should work as their early versions don't. Apple wants to get it right the first time, if possible. This is a serious matter.
Absolutely right. Debates such as this one show that tech heads get tech but most don't get usability and accessibility. In spite of its shortcomings the iPhone OS deserves awards for its usability. It is still evolving but for Apple to have successfully removed the concept of the 'computer' from the consciousness of its users is no mean task. I would argue that the iPod / iPadOS represents the first truly user friendly computer experience.
I'm thinking that they could incorporate a system sorta like a cross between Spaces and Expose; punch four fingers together on the screen to enter it and see all applications running, tap on an application to select and access it.
I want you to take a LONG hard look at this graph:
...and remember, the iPhone only has ONE carrier.
Multitasking is NOT holding the iPhone back, being chained to AT&T is. It's that simple.
Android has a demographic of ~258.2 million people to pool from. The iPhone has ~85.1 million potential users. Oh, and remember... the iPod Touch (which is more popular than the iPhone, also uses the same OS. I don't see millions of users rushing out to buy Android enable music devices.
While I would absolutely love to have multitasking... I sincerely doubt I would use it in a very regular way. I DO use iTunes while using other apps... so consider me a hypocrite... so I guess I could see myself using Pandora in a multi-tasking environment... but again, it is NOT a deal breaker.
Don't waste your breath man, people see what they want to see. They might argue that applies to you and me as well and they might be right. People don't understand that the OS share is just that, OS share. Since the iPhone OS is pretty much = iPhone sales, that chart is pretty freakin impressive.
Apple this summer will go a long way towards silencing critics and catering to one of the most prevalent demands of its iPhone user base, when it introduces a multitasking solution through the handset's 4.0 software update that will finally allow several third party apps to run concurrently and in the background.
Is it just me who thinks this paragraph reads like an article in "The Onion"?
What the heck is taking them so long? In the meantime, Android is surging in popularity and the iOS is stagnating.
Well given the other iPhone story on AI today which talks about Apple being well in front on year over year growth at nearly 100%(!) I think they might have a month or two up their sleeve before "Android envy" sets in!
Absolutely correct. I just wish people would stop replying to iGenius (though I've been guilty on occasion). The problem is that he mixes in some sensible ideas from time to time, so you think you might be able to have a rational discussion with him. Don't take the bait.
Yes please!
Reponding to trolls makes the ignore feature significantly less useful.
I'm pretty technically sophisticated, but I don't want to be carrying around a phone with OS X on it that resembles my computers at home. When I use it, I want it to be fast and easy. And I do have over 100 apps. If Apple has to come out with some crappy task manager, they're screwed.
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Originally Posted by paxman
Amen to that. The multi tasking point is being overstated. There is room for improvement but people seem to completely not get the advantage of limited multi tasking. The simplification it offers is not just for the technologically challenged. Most of the time we perform one task at the time. Not having to think about a task started and not completed makes for a simplified experience. When it comes to the iPhone, Touch, and I suspect the iPad, user experience simplicity is absolutely key.
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Apple is building a platform for the long term. They don't do what so many other companies try, which is to do something different several few months, or every year, to try to figure out how it should work as their early versions don't. Apple wants to get it right the first time, if possible. This is a serious matter.
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Absolutely right. Debates such as this one show that tech heads get tech but most don't get usability and accessibility. In spite of its shortcomings the iPhone OS deserves awards for its usability. It is still evolving but for Apple to have successfully removed the concept of the 'computer' from the consciousness of its users is no mean task. I would argue that the iPod / iPadOS represents the first truly user friendly computer experience.
Excellent, concise exchange-- wish this had been posted instead of all the trollgasms!
Don't waste your breath man, people see what they want to see. They might argue that applies to you and me as well and they might be right. People don't understand that the OS share is just that, OS share. Since the iPhone OS is pretty much = iPhone sales, that chart is pretty freakin impressive.
One analyst is projecting 9.1m iPhone units sold this quarter because of huge sales in UK, Japan, and China. The consensus is predicting about 7m. But if it comes in at 9m, it will be the first time ever that an Apple Q2 topped an Apple Q1 in iPhone unit sales. That would be amazing.
It is vitally important that iPhone OS devices remain simple for people to use. For techos who want to be able to 'fiddle', go 'fiddle' on an Android or a Windows mobile, or lug a netbook or notebook or desktop computer around with you and 'fiddle' to your heart's content.
There is a 'golden rule' that all technology companies, apart from Apple, have continually ignored - Keep it Simple Stupid. Do I need to mention remote controls on TVs? The VAST majority of current and prospective users of iPhone OS devices are not 'tech-heads'. They do not NEED to 'fiddle' with their devices. They NEED a device that is simple to use and is secure against virus and malware attacks.
So if multi-tasking limitations are relaxed it must be done in a way that keeps the simplicity, usability and security of current iPhone/iPod Touch devices intact.
Absolutely correct. I just wish people would stop replying to iGenius (though I've been guilty on occasion). The problem is that he mixes in some sensible ideas from time to time, so you think you might be able to have a rational discussion with him. Don't take the bait.
I agree, I was trying to follow this topic and came in late. It's hard to follow some 130 posts taking up 4 pages by 8:30 AM; time I started.
FYI out of about 353 posts, 61 were from iGenius and about 89 were responses to iGenius. It wouldn't be as bad if the discussion was on topic but arguing about whether the iPhone sales were stagnating is way off topic. The graphs were a joke.
I don't have doubts iPhone 4 will sell volumes, but question is not only how many people will get it - it is also how many people will leave iPhone, and how many will just replace their own iPhone for a new one...
And you can say the same for any Blackberry owner or Nokia owner... or even any PC owner! People replace stuff ... sometimes they switch brands, sometimes they don't. What's your point?
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because we know that Apple has sold loads of iPhones during the season, yet stats show stagnation,
No. iGenius shows stagnation! All these graphs and charts that people keep linking to.. show the US smartphone userbase... or subscribers. Not sales.. The figures show that Apple, despite not launching any new phones... and despite being only available on one network... and despite selling only a limited range of phones.... and despite not slashing prices or offering 2for1 deals...... still increased their slice of the subscriber pie. That's not too difficult to understand.
Oops! Apparently it is.
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which basically means for every new person who purchased iPhone, there was a person who dumped it and moved to different platform.
Which basically means that, you either fell for the iGenius claptrap or you're dabbling in a little trilling yourself.
And just how many more phones do you think Apple would have "sold" if they followed RIM's holiday quarter in also doing a "buy one get one free" promotion? Do you really think that RIM would have sold 10.1 million phones if they didn't do that?
A couple of points here:
1) The buy one get one free deal is between the carrier and the consumer, not RIM and the carrier. RIM certainly aren't taking a 50% hit in revenue per device.
2) The phones are subsidised by the contract. It's not truly buy one get one free as you still have to pay for two contracts.
3) The deal was limited to North America. More than half of the iPhone's sales, and most of the growth, is outside of North America now.
4) The iPhone is offered for free in some parts of the world. Buy none get an unlimited number free!
1) The buy one get one free deal is between the carrier and the consumer, not RIM and the carrier. RIM certainly aren't taking a 50% hit in revenue per device.
True, but to keep revenue up the carrier and vendor often do make deal for lower handset costs when demand wanes. Sometimes, the carrier is SoL and has pre-purchase too much product that they have to move at a lower price at their expense, but with the longevity of this deal across many models, it seems clear that RiM has negotiated a lower price per handset. Whatever the deal is, it's been working as RiM has increased their profits, which is the most important metric for any company.
This is exactly what I hear, and in spades. It's basically a bunch of anti-Apple guys (and mostly guys) that like/use it and wear it on their sleeve.
Wait till the UI has to change because of having to address all the IP issues that Apple is starting to fight back on.....
I beg to differ. I have a Moto Droid, and it's not because I'm a Apple hater, but AT&T was the deal breaker for me. I think all this talk of "my phone is the best, and yours is a POS" is just silly, and childish.
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I want a widget layer for the iPad. Same OS X widgets should run as is on the iPad. Easy to do, since the widget layer will be based on Webkit. Widgets are done with HTML, CSS and JavaScript, so it is like having a web app running in the background.
I surrender. This ain't worth it.
and after waisting so much space off topic--thank you for 9 pages.
I'm pretty technically sophisticated, but I don't want to be carrying around a phone with OS X on it that resembles my computers at home. When I use it, I want it to be fast and easy. And I do have over 100 apps. If Apple has to come out with some crappy task manager, they're screwed.
Amen to that. The multi tasking point is being overstated. There is room for improvement but people seem to completely not get the advantage of limited multi tasking. The simplification it offers is not just for the technologically challenged. Most of the time we perform one task at the time. Not having to think about a task started and not completed makes for a simplified experience. When it comes to the iPhone, Touch, and I suspect the iPad, user experience simplicity is absolutely key.
Apple is building a platform for the long term. They don't do what so many other companies try, which is to do something different several few months, or every year, to try to figure out how it should work as their early versions don't. Apple wants to get it right the first time, if possible. This is a serious matter.
Absolutely right. Debates such as this one show that tech heads get tech but most don't get usability and accessibility. In spite of its shortcomings the iPhone OS deserves awards for its usability. It is still evolving but for Apple to have successfully removed the concept of the 'computer' from the consciousness of its users is no mean task. I would argue that the iPod / iPadOS represents the first truly user friendly computer experience.
I'm thinking that they could incorporate a system sorta like a cross between Spaces and Expose; punch four fingers together on the screen to enter it and see all applications running, tap on an application to select and access it.
i like the way you think
Praise Jesus!
Can I get an Amen Brothers?
AMEN - and good riddance. The guy has no filters.
I surrender. This ain't worth it.
doesth thou yield?
I want you to take a LONG hard look at this graph:
...and remember, the iPhone only has ONE carrier.
Multitasking is NOT holding the iPhone back, being chained to AT&T is. It's that simple.
Android has a demographic of ~258.2 million people to pool from. The iPhone has ~85.1 million potential users. Oh, and remember... the iPod Touch (which is more popular than the iPhone, also uses the same OS. I don't see millions of users rushing out to buy Android enable music devices.
While I would absolutely love to have multitasking... I sincerely doubt I would use it in a very regular way. I DO use iTunes while using other apps... so consider me a hypocrite... so I guess I could see myself using Pandora in a multi-tasking environment... but again, it is NOT a deal breaker.
Don't waste your breath man, people see what they want to see. They might argue that applies to you and me as well and they might be right. People don't understand that the OS share is just that, OS share. Since the iPhone OS is pretty much = iPhone sales, that chart is pretty freakin impressive.
Apple this summer will go a long way towards silencing critics and catering to one of the most prevalent demands of its iPhone user base, when it introduces a multitasking solution through the handset's 4.0 software update that will finally allow several third party apps to run concurrently and in the background.
Is it just me who thinks this paragraph reads like an article in "The Onion"?
What the heck is taking them so long? In the meantime, Android is surging in popularity and the iOS is stagnating.
Well given the other iPhone story on AI today which talks about Apple being well in front on year over year growth at nearly 100%(!) I think they might have a month or two up their sleeve before "Android envy" sets in!
Absolutely correct. I just wish people would stop replying to iGenius (though I've been guilty on occasion). The problem is that he mixes in some sensible ideas from time to time, so you think you might be able to have a rational discussion with him. Don't take the bait.
Yes please!
Reponding to trolls makes the ignore feature significantly less useful.
Originally Posted by melgross
I'm pretty technically sophisticated, but I don't want to be carrying around a phone with OS X on it that resembles my computers at home. When I use it, I want it to be fast and easy. And I do have over 100 apps. If Apple has to come out with some crappy task manager, they're screwed.
Amen to that. The multi tasking point is being overstated. There is room for improvement but people seem to completely not get the advantage of limited multi tasking. The simplification it offers is not just for the technologically challenged. Most of the time we perform one task at the time. Not having to think about a task started and not completed makes for a simplified experience. When it comes to the iPhone, Touch, and I suspect the iPad, user experience simplicity is absolutely key.
Quote:
Apple is building a platform for the long term. They don't do what so many other companies try, which is to do something different several few months, or every year, to try to figure out how it should work as their early versions don't. Apple wants to get it right the first time, if possible. This is a serious matter.
Absolutely right. Debates such as this one show that tech heads get tech but most don't get usability and accessibility. In spite of its shortcomings the iPhone OS deserves awards for its usability. It is still evolving but for Apple to have successfully removed the concept of the 'computer' from the consciousness of its users is no mean task. I would argue that the iPod / iPadOS represents the first truly user friendly computer experience.
Excellent, concise exchange-- wish this had been posted instead of all the trollgasms!
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Double Press the Home Button to view all currently running apps. Set it as an option for Home Button in Settings. Next.
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Don't waste your breath man, people see what they want to see. They might argue that applies to you and me as well and they might be right. People don't understand that the OS share is just that, OS share. Since the iPhone OS is pretty much = iPhone sales, that chart is pretty freakin impressive.
One analyst is projecting 9.1m iPhone units sold this quarter because of huge sales in UK, Japan, and China. The consensus is predicting about 7m. But if it comes in at 9m, it will be the first time ever that an Apple Q2 topped an Apple Q1 in iPhone unit sales. That would be amazing.
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderd...e-analyst-says
There is a 'golden rule' that all technology companies, apart from Apple, have continually ignored - Keep it Simple Stupid. Do I need to mention remote controls on TVs? The VAST majority of current and prospective users of iPhone OS devices are not 'tech-heads'. They do not NEED to 'fiddle' with their devices. They NEED a device that is simple to use and is secure against virus and malware attacks.
So if multi-tasking limitations are relaxed it must be done in a way that keeps the simplicity, usability and security of current iPhone/iPod Touch devices intact.
Absolutely correct. I just wish people would stop replying to iGenius (though I've been guilty on occasion). The problem is that he mixes in some sensible ideas from time to time, so you think you might be able to have a rational discussion with him. Don't take the bait.
I agree, I was trying to follow this topic and came in late. It's hard to follow some 130 posts taking up 4 pages by 8:30 AM; time I started.
FYI out of about 353 posts, 61 were from iGenius and about 89 were responses to iGenius. It wouldn't be as bad if the discussion was on topic but arguing about whether the iPhone sales were stagnating is way off topic. The graphs were a joke.
Leaving this forum for another topic.
I don't have doubts iPhone 4 will sell volumes, but question is not only how many people will get it - it is also how many people will leave iPhone, and how many will just replace their own iPhone for a new one...
And you can say the same for any Blackberry owner or Nokia owner... or even any PC owner! People replace stuff ... sometimes they switch brands, sometimes they don't. What's your point?
because we know that Apple has sold loads of iPhones during the season, yet stats show stagnation,
No. iGenius shows stagnation! All these graphs and charts that people keep linking to.. show the US smartphone userbase... or subscribers. Not sales.. The figures show that Apple, despite not launching any new phones... and despite being only available on one network... and despite selling only a limited range of phones.... and despite not slashing prices or offering 2for1 deals...... still increased their slice of the subscriber pie. That's not too difficult to understand.
Oops! Apparently it is.
which basically means for every new person who purchased iPhone, there was a person who dumped it and moved to different platform.
Which basically means that, you either fell for the iGenius claptrap or you're dabbling in a little trilling yourself.
And just how many more phones do you think Apple would have "sold" if they followed RIM's holiday quarter in also doing a "buy one get one free" promotion? Do you really think that RIM would have sold 10.1 million phones if they didn't do that?
A couple of points here:
1) The buy one get one free deal is between the carrier and the consumer, not RIM and the carrier. RIM certainly aren't taking a 50% hit in revenue per device.
2) The phones are subsidised by the contract. It's not truly buy one get one free as you still have to pay for two contracts.
3) The deal was limited to North America. More than half of the iPhone's sales, and most of the growth, is outside of North America now.
4) The iPhone is offered for free in some parts of the world. Buy none get an unlimited number free!
1) The buy one get one free deal is between the carrier and the consumer, not RIM and the carrier. RIM certainly aren't taking a 50% hit in revenue per device.
True, but to keep revenue up the carrier and vendor often do make deal for lower handset costs when demand wanes. Sometimes, the carrier is SoL and has pre-purchase too much product that they have to move at a lower price at their expense, but with the longevity of this deal across many models, it seems clear that RiM has negotiated a lower price per handset. Whatever the deal is, it's been working as RiM has increased their profits, which is the most important metric for any company.
This is exactly what I hear, and in spades. It's basically a bunch of anti-Apple guys (and mostly guys) that like/use it and wear it on their sleeve.
Wait till the UI has to change because of having to address all the IP issues that Apple is starting to fight back on.....
I beg to differ. I have a Moto Droid, and it's not because I'm a Apple hater, but AT&T was the deal breaker for me. I think all this talk of "my phone is the best, and yours is a POS" is just silly, and childish.