It reads to me like a stated policy, not like they are addressing an issue.
Yes, of course it's a stated policy. Of what to do when the battery on your iPad has lived out it's natural lifespan of 3-4 years.
For reasons beyond my ken a few people have decided that this is some sort of preemptive recall of a defective battery that Apple is planning on shipping, or something. The mind boggles.
The only way for this devices to be as slim and yield such long battery life is to have an integrated battery, there's simply no other way to do this with a replaceable battery. So your point is irrelevant.
Not completely true. I have a DROID that lasts at least as long as my dad's 3GS under daily use and it's barely any thicker than his 3GS. The real reason it's a bit thicker is because of the keyboard, not because it has a removable battery.
If I'm not mistakes, it's the composition of the battery itself that determines the long life, not solely because it's removable. The only difference in connectivity is that an integrated battery is soldered in, whereas a removable battery has open contacts, which doesn't seem to take up any more space.
The removable battery cover might be bigger issue, but there are plenty of ways to remove the cover without adding bulk to the device.
To me, it's obvious from this thread that the iPad is in no way intended to be a person's sole "computer", no matter how simple that person's computer needs may be.
It appears the only means of backup for an iPad is via iTunes, ¿qué no? Which says to me the iPad needs a "real computer" joined-at the hip for its life-span, and cannot be backed up e.g. to a thumb drive via adapter or to a cloud database...
So, I'm stupid for having thought so. Please in replying here, direct me to the appleinsider thread where the idea of an iPad as an independent device is discussed. (I've searched but could not find.)
...come with a little piece of sticky tape to keep their back covers on?
The Android phone's have puny, tiny displays in comparison to the iPad.
OS 4.0 multitasking? <----- watch this space.
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Originally Posted by os2baba
Take a look at the Droid which has replaceable battery and a keyboard and is only 1.4mm thicker. The Nexus one with a removable battery is 0.8mm thinner. And the best looking of the lot, the HTC Legend, with a unibody shell and a neat spring battery cover is 0.9mm thinner. And they all have roughly the same battery life as the iPhone with multi-tasking and better displays.
...come with a little piece of sticky tape to keep their back covers on?
The Android phone's have puny, tiny displays in comparison to the iPad.
OS 4.0 multitasking? <----- watch this space.
How long after iPhone OS v4.0 gets updated will the iPad get that same basic update? Will it happen at the same time? Will be a later update with some odd version that isn't found on the other iPhone OS-based devices? Will be a year or so after the iPad launch?
I think it'll be with the iPhone OS-based devices unless Apple chooses to actually split the name to iPad OS since the OS is significantly different enough to warrant its own name.
My 3G was bought on 11/7/2008 (7/11/2008 for Americans) and the battery is still going strong I charge it every night and often give it top up charges during days of heavy use.
20 months.
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Originally Posted by jglavin
This is an excellent point. I charge my iphone 3g every night and it is about 15 months old without any noticeable degradation in battery capacity.
Do people really buy/use spare batteries much anymore? I rarely see it. Problem 1: Gotta charge the second battery. For a phone that means shutting down and swapping the battery at least 3 times. Who wants to do that? Problem 2: This one battery only fits into one device. General purpose external batteries just make more sense to me. No need to shutdown/swap and one battery can cover any USB device. You can get any capacity you want.
No one ever said that it 'was a bad deal', but it does lead one to believe that the very same device one pays some US 500.00 to 830.00 actually only has a value of US 100.00, given that that's all it cost to replace the entire device.
It's As Simple As That
If a car dealership decides to replace a newly purchased vehicle for you based on issues they can't resolve (or are unwilling to spend labor to resolve) with another new vehicle - does that mean that the vehicle you purchased was worth nothing??
Same logic different example. Thus your logic FAIL.
People have said you can't get thinner than an iPhone if you don't have a non-replaceable battery.
They were proved dead-wrong with that idiotic assumption.
that the Earth is flat, and that a couple of decades ago Apple was going out of business, and so on, and so on.
You can of course get thinner as they improve replaceable battery life (since the iPhone has benchmarked the non-replaceable standard, the industry has to demonstrate they can do better in replaceables), thus Apple drives product improvement in categories they don't even use FTW!
Seriously, did you really trot out those examples as serious commentary in this thread? You have much smaller and newer installed bases to poll - you really have no idea what the actual average battery life for those devices even is yet now do you? Of course not. They haven't been around long enough or enough in use to have a reliable data set yet.
If this article didn't come up these same complainers would be on here saying how Apple doesn't even offer a battery replacement option, then they'd claim that Apple is trying to force you to buy another iPad when your battery dies as a way to make more money off the Kool-Aid drinking iSheep. I don't think it matters what the article is about Apple will always being wrong.
I'm convinced that if Apple chose to put a $50,000 check in every iPad box that the same people would be trolling here complaining that:
1. It's not enough. The checks should be for $100,000. After all, Apple has lots of money.
2. It's not fair. Not everyone has a checking account ant it's hard to cash a $50,000 check without a checking account. Apple only caters to rich people.
3. Apple should just lower the price of all its products so that everything they sell is as cheap as the cheapest junkware out there.
Probably a few more things, too.
It just amazes me that people who would never own an Apple product and are proud of it spend so much time here whining about them. Must be jealousy, bitterness, or they were abused as children.
The only way for this devices to be as slim and yield such long battery life is to have an integrated battery, there's simply no other way to do this with a replaceable battery. So your point is irrelevant.
There are better batteries, perhaps not at the 'PRICE POINT' Apple wants... and these batteries are slim.
It would be nice to have a replaceable battery. LET THE CUSTOMER CHOOSE HOW MANY EXTRA BATTERIES they want to buy.
APPLE would still make money selling batteries, customers are 'IN COMMAND' as far as keeping their original product.
There are better batteries, perhaps not at the 'PRICE POINT' Apple wants... and these batteries are slim.
It would be nice to have a replaceable battery. LET THE CUSTOMER CHOOSE HOW MANY EXTRA BATTERIES they want to buy.
APPLE would still make money selling batteries, customers are 'IN COMMAND' as far as keeping their original product.
BOTTOM LINE: EVERYONES HAPPY
I wouldn't be happy if the bottom of the iPad slid open to remove the battery. I want a smooth back.
Which batteries are better? Can you post a link?
I'm yet to have an Apple battery fail. Even my nearly 10 year old iBook battery still holds a 4 hour charge. You must be used to inferior products which come with inferior batteries.
The real problem is that this is like the iPhone battery replacement: they will not unconditionally replace the unit for $99. If there is any damage of any kind (including a "discolored" connector, which to them suggests water damage), the unit is not considered "equivalent" to an unabused, used iPad, and thus Apple will refuse to replace it. You will have to buy a completely new unit.
Even though, if the battery were user-replaceable, you could replace the battery regardless of the condition of the unit.
This is actually a good point, and one I was thinking of as well.
We'll have to see how this is resolved. I know of a couple who have brought in working but bruised iPhones and iPods for warrantee repair/replacement without issues. I can't believe that Apple will just cut people off unless it's obvious the device was seriously abused.
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Pardon me but doesn't the iPad not release for about another 3 weeks? And already there's a battery issue? What's going to pop up after release?
It reads to me like a stated policy, not like they are addressing an issue.
It reads to me like a stated policy, not like they are addressing an issue.
Yes, of course it's a stated policy. Of what to do when the battery on your iPad has lived out it's natural lifespan of 3-4 years.
For reasons beyond my ken a few people have decided that this is some sort of preemptive recall of a defective battery that Apple is planning on shipping, or something. The mind boggles.
Come on people. Quit quoting the trolls. It kills the purpose of the ignore lists.
I agree with this and would ask the admins to see if they can implement an extension of the ignore list to allow it to ignore responses as well.
The only way for this devices to be as slim and yield such long battery life is to have an integrated battery, there's simply no other way to do this with a replaceable battery. So your point is irrelevant.
Not completely true. I have a DROID that lasts at least as long as my dad's 3GS under daily use and it's barely any thicker than his 3GS. The real reason it's a bit thicker is because of the keyboard, not because it has a removable battery.
If I'm not mistakes, it's the composition of the battery itself that determines the long life, not solely because it's removable. The only difference in connectivity is that an integrated battery is soldered in, whereas a removable battery has open contacts, which doesn't seem to take up any more space.
The removable battery cover might be bigger issue, but there are plenty of ways to remove the cover without adding bulk to the device.
So it's really your point that's irrelevant.
Hint: AC.
Check under your bed lately? You never know who could be lurking there.
Cite please. O/w, do the decent thing and retract.
Of course they will. They are not a nonprofit.
You're not Apple. And thank God for that.
Apple is doomed!?
Great response!!
It appears the only means of backup for an iPad is via iTunes, ¿qué no? Which says to me the iPad needs a "real computer" joined-at the hip for its life-span, and cannot be backed up e.g. to a thumb drive via adapter or to a cloud database...
So, I'm stupid for having thought so. Please in replying here, direct me to the appleinsider thread where the idea of an iPad as an independent device is discussed. (I've searched but could not find.)
The Android phone's have puny, tiny displays in comparison to the iPad.
OS 4.0 multitasking? <----- watch this space.
Take a look at the Droid which has replaceable battery and a keyboard and is only 1.4mm thicker. The Nexus one with a removable battery is 0.8mm thinner. And the best looking of the lot, the HTC Legend, with a unibody shell and a neat spring battery cover is 0.9mm thinner. And they all have roughly the same battery life as the iPhone with multi-tasking and better displays.
...come with a little piece of sticky tape to keep their back covers on?
The Android phone's have puny, tiny displays in comparison to the iPad.
OS 4.0 multitasking? <----- watch this space.
How long after iPhone OS v4.0 gets updated will the iPad get that same basic update? Will it happen at the same time? Will be a later update with some odd version that isn't found on the other iPhone OS-based devices? Will be a year or so after the iPad launch?
I think it'll be with the iPhone OS-based devices unless Apple chooses to actually split the name to iPad OS since the OS is significantly different enough to warrant its own name.
20 months.
This is an excellent point. I charge my iphone 3g every night and it is about 15 months old without any noticeable degradation in battery capacity.
My 3G was bought on 11/7/2008 (7/11/2008 for Americans)...
Off topic, but I don't understand why that became the US standard. It's backasswards.
Off topic, but I don't understand why that became the US standard. It's backasswards.
Depends on how you view your ass.
No one ever said that it 'was a bad deal', but it does lead one to believe that the very same device one pays some US 500.00 to 830.00 actually only has a value of US 100.00, given that that's all it cost to replace the entire device.
It's As Simple As That
If a car dealership decides to replace a newly purchased vehicle for you based on issues they can't resolve (or are unwilling to spend labor to resolve) with another new vehicle - does that mean that the vehicle you purchased was worth nothing??
Same logic different example. Thus your logic FAIL.
People have said you can't get thinner than an iPhone if you don't have a non-replaceable battery.
They were proved dead-wrong with that idiotic assumption.
that the Earth is flat, and that a couple of decades ago Apple was going out of business, and so on, and so on.
You can of course get thinner as they improve replaceable battery life (since the iPhone has benchmarked the non-replaceable standard, the industry has to demonstrate they can do better in replaceables), thus Apple drives product improvement in categories they don't even use FTW!
Seriously, did you really trot out those examples as serious commentary in this thread? You have much smaller and newer installed bases to poll - you really have no idea what the actual average battery life for those devices even is yet now do you? Of course not. They haven't been around long enough or enough in use to have a reliable data set yet.
If this article didn't come up these same complainers would be on here saying how Apple doesn't even offer a battery replacement option, then they'd claim that Apple is trying to force you to buy another iPad when your battery dies as a way to make more money off the Kool-Aid drinking iSheep. I don't think it matters what the article is about Apple will always being wrong.
I'm convinced that if Apple chose to put a $50,000 check in every iPad box that the same people would be trolling here complaining that:
1. It's not enough. The checks should be for $100,000. After all, Apple has lots of money.
2. It's not fair. Not everyone has a checking account ant it's hard to cash a $50,000 check without a checking account. Apple only caters to rich people.
3. Apple should just lower the price of all its products so that everything they sell is as cheap as the cheapest junkware out there.
Probably a few more things, too.
It just amazes me that people who would never own an Apple product and are proud of it spend so much time here whining about them. Must be jealousy, bitterness, or they were abused as children.
The only way for this devices to be as slim and yield such long battery life is to have an integrated battery, there's simply no other way to do this with a replaceable battery. So your point is irrelevant.
There are better batteries, perhaps not at the 'PRICE POINT' Apple wants... and these batteries are slim.
It would be nice to have a replaceable battery. LET THE CUSTOMER CHOOSE HOW MANY EXTRA BATTERIES they want to buy.
APPLE would still make money selling batteries, customers are 'IN COMMAND' as far as keeping their original product.
BOTTOM LINE: EVERYONES HAPPY
Lets hope the 4G IPHONE has a removeable battery.
There are better batteries, perhaps not at the 'PRICE POINT' Apple wants... and these batteries are slim.
It would be nice to have a replaceable battery. LET THE CUSTOMER CHOOSE HOW MANY EXTRA BATTERIES they want to buy.
APPLE would still make money selling batteries, customers are 'IN COMMAND' as far as keeping their original product.
BOTTOM LINE: EVERYONES HAPPY
I wouldn't be happy if the bottom of the iPad slid open to remove the battery. I want a smooth back.
Which batteries are better? Can you post a link?
I'm yet to have an Apple battery fail. Even my nearly 10 year old iBook battery still holds a 4 hour charge. You must be used to inferior products which come with inferior batteries.
The real problem is that this is like the iPhone battery replacement: they will not unconditionally replace the unit for $99. If there is any damage of any kind (including a "discolored" connector, which to them suggests water damage), the unit is not considered "equivalent" to an unabused, used iPad, and thus Apple will refuse to replace it. You will have to buy a completely new unit.
Even though, if the battery were user-replaceable, you could replace the battery regardless of the condition of the unit.
This is actually a good point, and one I was thinking of as well.
We'll have to see how this is resolved. I know of a couple who have brought in working but bruised iPhones and iPods for warrantee repair/replacement without issues. I can't believe that Apple will just cut people off unless it's obvious the device was seriously abused.
To You...
Or me, or any of the hundreds of other iPhone users I know....