Who knows. By that time there might be a new Apple iProduct of some kind, taking the paradigm even further, i.e., iPod ---> iPod Touch.
Absolutely! This is practically guaranteed. I tend to feel like 2-3 years is a good span for an "upgrade" to a "next step" experience; you can drag it out to 4 years, but then you're starting to get into the next cycle.
With all of our family Macs, we had gaps of at least 6 years between new machines (not counting a beige G3 bought reconditioned toward the end of 2000). That's a bloody long time, and you miss a lot of "progress" by waiting so long. Therefore, each new machine felt like it came from another planet and left the older model(s) in the dust. My most recent upgrade was an early-2008 iMac, preceded by a 2002 G4 "Quicksilver." I won't be waiting so long again. (I'll pull the trigger on the next iMac refresh, probably, or a Mac Pro, once the software I use can take efficient advantage of so many cores. The fingers be a-tappin'...)
I have a feeling that the iPad will undergo some rapid improvements, as long as they can develop faster processors while retaining the same energy efficiency. We just have to wait for the initial surge to relax and let Apple decide where they want to go with it.
Who knows. By that time there might be a new Apple iProduct of some kind, taking the paradigm even further, i.e., iPod ---> iPod Touch.
I agree. When talking 3-5 years in technology that is like a lifetime. As far as the battery the only time I want a user replaceable battery is when I can buy an extended life battery. When you already have something that will last 10+ hours there is simply no need at all for a user replaceable battery.
Also a bit off topic but fairly important for those that are upset about the 4:3 aspect ratio, when watching a movie in landscape mode all you have to do is tap the iPad and the movie goes into fullscreen mode.
Check out this demo its one of the better ones I have seen on the net.
I agree with you. I think a total swap could be a good thing because it would keep the overall quality of the device higher for the average non-tech consumer. I'd recently purchased a refurb 24" iMac from the Apple Store and I swear I could not tell it was used because I inspected it all over and it appeared to be brand new. It was flawless and has been running perfectly, 24/7 since I bought it in September of last year.
One of the seriously-unadvertised "bonuses" of being an Apple user is the whole "refurbished" process. The company does a phenomenal job reconditioning their "used" (in one way or another) products -- if only "certified used car" meant the same thing as "Apple refurbished!"
One other consideration: this gives Apple a great deal of (read: total) control over the whole "battery disposal" issue.
Absolutely! This is practically guaranteed. I tend to feel like 2-3 years is a good span for an "upgrade" to a "next step" experience; you can drag it out to 4 years, but then you're starting to get into the next cycle.
I have a feeling that the iPad will undergo some rapid improvements, as long as they can develop faster processors while retaining the same energy efficiency. We just have to wait for the initial surge to relax and let Apple decide where they want to go with it.
Totally agree on this. What most of the people who are complaining about the exchange is about the time the battery fails, its time to upgrade anyway. However, should you take Apple up on replacing the battery for $100, you will get a refurb and you would have had around 4 years of use of your old iPad. Your refurb will last for about another 4 years--so what's the issue--its a really a great deal. I got a refurbed MPB and it was like new.
If you have Apple Care you are protected for two years on the battery so if it fails before then you get a refurb at no cost. See my post @ #11. Can't complain about Apple Care.
So let me get this straight. We had this battery argument with the iPod. We had this battery argument with the iPhone. And now we're having this battery argument with the iPad? Same arguments, same impasse, same predictions, same name calling. How stupid can it get anyway?
Hmmmm, let's see:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crysisrules
Clearly apple is not only showing the quality of its product, but also its poor ability to offer better customer service for a product battery that should work properly. You wouldnt be told to pay for what should be a recall, complete FAIL Apple. Not supporting it
Clearly apple is not only showing the quality of its product, but also its poor ability to offer better customer service for a product battery that should work properly. You wouldnt be told to pay for what should be a recall, complete FAIL Apple. Not supporting it
Quote:
Originally Posted by addabox
Apparently very, very stupid.
You should forgive cyrisrules even though he/she is making a fool of himself/herself, its his/hers first post. Welcome to AI -- We're one big happy family
So let me get this straight. We had this battery argument with the iPod. We had this battery argument with the iPhone. And now we're having this battery argument with the iPad? Same arguments, same impasse, same predictions, same name calling. How stupid can it get anyway?
Same trolls on the same message boards getting the same amount of indifference from admins on every thread. Same same same.
My blank posts was my edit after I saw your edit. I, too, tried to add it manually to verify it was removed after I noticed the icons removed. Heck, I use {color=#e1e1e2}. . .{/color} to delete a post so i'm well versed with the manual markup of vBulletin.
Why not write "(deleted)" or something like that, it would be easier to understand...
You should forgive cyrisrules even though he/she is making a fool of himself/herself, its his/hers first post. Welcome to AI -- We're one big happy family
stupidity should not be so easily forgiven. Life is far too short to waste time being stupid.
Way too much apology for stupidity in society today, IMHO.
No one ever said that it 'was a bad deal', but it does lead one to believe that the very same device one pays some US 500.00 to 830.00 actually only has a value of US 100.00, given that that's all it cost to replace the entire device.
It's As Simple As That
You seem to have an incredibly hard time getting your head round the fact they your unit is replaced for a fee of $100. You don't get to keep your old iPad they take it. So you will actually have paid $600 - $930 for your iPad.
Says a lot about how much the actual hardware is worth... \
Not really, as posted, if sold refurbished they regain some of the cost but Apple may take a small hit for a short while. A very nice gesture especially if one were to get a newer updated model at some point. I would only hope the agreement does stipulate you get a 'new' one in return not a refurbished one.
I'm guessing those iPads taken in will subsequently be re-sold on their refurbished store.
I don't think that they will be re-sold per se.
It doesn't may economical sense. It appears that Apple has well thought this out ahead of time and that the disassembly and replace battery is extremely efficient under qualified service people.
I would suggest that the qualified replacement case will be popped open and trashed. Otherwise there will be a continuous argument over how 'good' of a shape the iPad looked when it was handed in.
Secondly, the battery will be popped out and sent for proper disposal.
Thirdly, a new battery will be popped in
Fourthly, the unit will be tested and completed in a new case.
Says a lot about how much the actual hardware is worth... \
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHarder
Really?
So I pay US 830.00 for a device that can be replaced for a mere US 100.00, and all's Even -Steven - \
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHarder
No one ever said that it 'was a bad deal', but it does lead one to believe that the very same device one pays some US 500.00 to 830.00 actually only has a value of US 100.00, given that that's all it cost to replace the entire device.
It's As Simple As That
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHarder
No one said that they were 'chucking them away', (that was your misinterpretation of what was posted) - only that it leads one to believe that the actual value of the device is but US 100.00 regardless of features/capacity, which it certainly does -
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHarder
Nope... Just that the hardware was never actually worth US 500.00 to 830.00 in the first place if it can so readily be replaced for US 100.00.
It's Really That Simple -
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHarder
I fully understand the entire process, warranty and otherwise, and never said anything about how/why Apple will ultimately profit/benefit from this 'exchange program'.
The only issue I was addressing was that, to the average customer, providing a replacement for a US 500.00 to 830.00 device for a mere US 100.00 could easily give the impression that said device was never really worth the asking price in the first place.
It's really not worth getting all 'hostile' about, but it certainly is something that might raise a few average consumer eyebrows.
Nothing More - Nothing Less
Quote:
Originally Posted by pmz
stupidity should not be so easily forgiven. Life is far too short to waste time being stupid.
Way too much apology for stupidity in society today, IMHO.
Yeh, you're right, some people just don't get it right after 390 posts. Liked it better when the above centered his/hers posts--easier to ignore. Oh well, another one for my ignore list.
The real problem is that this is like the iPhone battery replacement: they will not unconditionally replace the unit for $99. If there is any damage of any kind (including a "discolored" connector, which to them suggests water damage), the unit is not considered "equivalent" to an unabused, used iPad, and thus Apple will refuse to replace it. You will have to buy a completely new unit.
Even though, if the battery were user-replaceable, you could replace the battery regardless of the condition of the unit.
Because you destroy stuff! I have had an ORIGINAL iPhone and not ONE problem! Just people like you who cant seem to own anything but destroy it! Give you something and it's broke in a week because of just harsh treatment... some people just don't know how to treat stuff. Your toys were broke when you were a kid most likely too!
Already done... called "Christine" by Stephen King... You know where that guy buys that used iPad er 1950's classic red automobile that turns out to be "EVIL" and won't let the guy driver date girls and gets rid of the trolls er bullies... and has to go back to the junk er refurbished yard!
The iPad will soon be loose... badmouthing trolls beware.... Muahahahahahaha </sarcasm>
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Who knows. By that time there might be a new Apple iProduct of some kind, taking the paradigm even further, i.e., iPod ---> iPod Touch.
Absolutely! This is practically guaranteed. I tend to feel like 2-3 years is a good span for an "upgrade" to a "next step" experience; you can drag it out to 4 years, but then you're starting to get into the next cycle.
With all of our family Macs, we had gaps of at least 6 years between new machines (not counting a beige G3 bought reconditioned toward the end of 2000). That's a bloody long time, and you miss a lot of "progress" by waiting so long. Therefore, each new machine felt like it came from another planet and left the older model(s) in the dust. My most recent upgrade was an early-2008 iMac, preceded by a 2002 G4 "Quicksilver." I won't be waiting so long again. (I'll pull the trigger on the next iMac refresh, probably, or a Mac Pro, once the software I use can take efficient advantage of so many cores. The fingers be a-tappin'...)
I have a feeling that the iPad will undergo some rapid improvements, as long as they can develop faster processors while retaining the same energy efficiency. We just have to wait for the initial surge to relax and let Apple decide where they want to go with it.
Who knows. By that time there might be a new Apple iProduct of some kind, taking the paradigm even further, i.e., iPod ---> iPod Touch.
I agree. When talking 3-5 years in technology that is like a lifetime. As far as the battery the only time I want a user replaceable battery is when I can buy an extended life battery. When you already have something that will last 10+ hours there is simply no need at all for a user replaceable battery.
Also a bit off topic but fairly important for those that are upset about the 4:3 aspect ratio, when watching a movie in landscape mode all you have to do is tap the iPad and the movie goes into fullscreen mode.
Check out this demo its one of the better ones I have seen on the net.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g92Yg79Of1s
I agree with you. I think a total swap could be a good thing because it would keep the overall quality of the device higher for the average non-tech consumer. I'd recently purchased a refurb 24" iMac from the Apple Store and I swear I could not tell it was used because I inspected it all over and it appeared to be brand new. It was flawless and has been running perfectly, 24/7 since I bought it in September of last year.
One of the seriously-unadvertised "bonuses" of being an Apple user is the whole "refurbished" process. The company does a phenomenal job reconditioning their "used" (in one way or another) products -- if only "certified used car" meant the same thing as "Apple refurbished!"
One other consideration: this gives Apple a great deal of (read: total) control over the whole "battery disposal" issue.
Absolutely! This is practically guaranteed. I tend to feel like 2-3 years is a good span for an "upgrade" to a "next step" experience; you can drag it out to 4 years, but then you're starting to get into the next cycle.
I have a feeling that the iPad will undergo some rapid improvements, as long as they can develop faster processors while retaining the same energy efficiency. We just have to wait for the initial surge to relax and let Apple decide where they want to go with it.
Totally agree on this. What most of the people who are complaining about the exchange is about the time the battery fails, its time to upgrade anyway. However, should you take Apple up on replacing the battery for $100, you will get a refurb and you would have had around 4 years of use of your old iPad. Your refurb will last for about another 4 years--so what's the issue--its a really a great deal. I got a refurbed MPB and it was like new.
If you have Apple Care you are protected for two years on the battery so if it fails before then you get a refurb at no cost. See my post @ #11. Can't complain about Apple Care.
I think you have a concept for a movie there.
Apologize if someone else did it but it would be "Idle iPads" n'est ce pas?
So let me get this straight. We had this battery argument with the iPod. We had this battery argument with the iPhone. And now we're having this battery argument with the iPad? Same arguments, same impasse, same predictions, same name calling. How stupid can it get anyway?
Hmmmm, let's see:
Originally Posted by Crysisrules
Clearly apple is not only showing the quality of its product, but also its poor ability to offer better customer service for a product battery that should work properly. You wouldnt be told to pay for what should be a recall, complete FAIL Apple. Not supporting it
Apparently very, very stupid.
Clearly apple is not only showing the quality of its product, but also its poor ability to offer better customer service for a product battery that should work properly. You wouldnt be told to pay for what should be a recall, complete FAIL Apple. Not supporting it
Apparently very, very stupid.
You should forgive cyrisrules even though he/she is making a fool of himself/herself, its his/hers first post. Welcome to AI -- We're one big happy family
So let me get this straight. We had this battery argument with the iPod. We had this battery argument with the iPhone. And now we're having this battery argument with the iPad? Same arguments, same impasse, same predictions, same name calling. How stupid can it get anyway?
Same trolls on the same message boards getting the same amount of indifference from admins on every thread. Same same same.
My blank posts was my edit after I saw your edit. I, too, tried to add it manually to verify it was removed after I noticed the icons removed. Heck, I use {color=#e1e1e2}. . .{/color} to delete a post so i'm well versed with the manual markup of vBulletin.
Why not write "(deleted)" or something like that, it would be easier to understand...
You should forgive cyrisrules even though he/she is making a fool of himself/herself, its his/hers first post. Welcome to AI -- We're one big happy family
stupidity should not be so easily forgiven. Life is far too short to waste time being stupid.
Way too much apology for stupidity in society today, IMHO.
No one ever said that it 'was a bad deal', but it does lead one to believe that the very same device one pays some US 500.00 to 830.00 actually only has a value of US 100.00, given that that's all it cost to replace the entire device.
It's As Simple As That
You seem to have an incredibly hard time getting your head round the fact they your unit is replaced for a fee of $100. You don't get to keep your old iPad they take it. So you will actually have paid $600 - $930 for your iPad.
Why not write "(deleted)" or something like that, it would be easier to understand...
I'm not sure how. No text to read over some text to read that means nothing to the topic? I'll go with the no text to read.
Says a lot about how much the actual hardware is worth...
Not really, as posted, if sold refurbished they regain some of the cost but Apple may take a small hit for a short while. A very nice gesture especially if one were to get a newer updated model at some point. I would only hope the agreement does stipulate you get a 'new' one in return not a refurbished one.
I'm guessing those iPads taken in will subsequently be re-sold on their refurbished store.
I don't think that they will be re-sold per se.
It doesn't may economical sense. It appears that Apple has well thought this out ahead of time and that the disassembly and replace battery is extremely efficient under qualified service people.
I would suggest that the qualified replacement case will be popped open and trashed. Otherwise there will be a continuous argument over how 'good' of a shape the iPad looked when it was handed in.
Secondly, the battery will be popped out and sent for proper disposal.
Thirdly, a new battery will be popped in
Fourthly, the unit will be tested and completed in a new case.
Says a lot about how much the actual hardware is worth...
Really?
So I pay US 830.00 for a device that can be replaced for a mere US 100.00, and all's Even -Steven -
No one ever said that it 'was a bad deal', but it does lead one to believe that the very same device one pays some US 500.00 to 830.00 actually only has a value of US 100.00, given that that's all it cost to replace the entire device.
It's As Simple As That
No one said that they were 'chucking them away', (that was your misinterpretation of what was posted) - only that it leads one to believe that the actual value of the device is but US 100.00 regardless of features/capacity, which it certainly does -
Nope... Just that the hardware was never actually worth US 500.00 to 830.00 in the first place if it can so readily be replaced for US 100.00.
It's Really That Simple -
I fully understand the entire process, warranty and otherwise, and never said anything about how/why Apple will ultimately profit/benefit from this 'exchange program'.
The only issue I was addressing was that, to the average customer, providing a replacement for a US 500.00 to 830.00 device for a mere US 100.00 could easily give the impression that said device was never really worth the asking price in the first place.
It's really not worth getting all 'hostile' about, but it certainly is something that might raise a few average consumer eyebrows.
Nothing More - Nothing Less
stupidity should not be so easily forgiven. Life is far too short to waste time being stupid.
Way too much apology for stupidity in society today, IMHO.
Yeh, you're right, some people just don't get it right after 390 posts. Liked it better when the above centered his/hers posts--easier to ignore. Oh well, another one for my ignore list.
Even though, if the battery were user-replaceable, you could replace the battery regardless of the condition of the unit.
This is EXACTLY what they do for iPods.
http://www.apple.com/support/ipod/service/battery/
So, yes, they will refurbish and resell your old iPad.
The iPad they send you with the new battery may be either new (unlikely) or refurbished.
(From item 6 in the iPod service page here: http://www.apple.com/support/ipod/service/faq/
"Replacement iPods may be new or refurbished.")
And yes, there will be aftermarket sources that may provide cheaper or better or self-install batteries, just like there are for iPods.
To You...
Because you destroy stuff! I have had an ORIGINAL iPhone and not ONE problem! Just people like you who cant seem to own anything but destroy it! Give you something and it's broke in a week because of just harsh treatment... some people just don't know how to treat stuff. Your toys were broke when you were a kid most likely too!
I think you have a concept for a movie there.
Already done... called "Christine" by Stephen King... You know where that guy buys that used iPad er 1950's classic red automobile that turns out to be "EVIL" and won't let the guy driver date girls and gets rid of the trolls er bullies...
The iPad will soon be loose... badmouthing trolls beware.... Muahahahahahaha