Back to the basic story subject. I'd be really interested if Attensity Group also had measured the mean IQ of all the people who posted on Twitter! Matter of fact, they should publish the mean IQ of all the members of Attensity Group, considering the inane nature of their "analysis."
Hypothesis: that both mean sample IQs will measure at least one standard deviation below the mean IQ of the general population.
The intelligence of Twitter users is NOT the subject of this thread. I find your characterizations to be insulting in the extreme.
97% of the time I use my iPhone, I am not using the phone functionality. An iPad can replace these 97% of usage (assuming one has the iPad with oneself). My car key is used 99% of the time as a car key. My iPhone is not. My point is that the iPad makes a lot of the functionality of the iPhone redundant.
Exactly my point, that is where a 'phone remote' for the iPad or an iPhone mini would fit in.
That's why I added ...hmmmm. to the end, starting to like the idea of getting a small & indestructible phone & then getting an iPad.
I mentioned the keys because I took from your post you were implying that it might as well function as a phone if you carry it around everywhere you go. That argument to me made about as much sense as me saying my keys should be a phone. It's a niche ideal, one that I don't think most of us would really want. Niche means money & personally I'd rather sacrifice that niche to pay less for an iPad.
Look, sarcasm aside, it seems there is this growing group that believes all devices should become integrated into 1 device that will equally meet all needs of every person. It's just a silly & impossible ideal. The only way something like that can ever happen is if we were to begin to build devices using nano-technology, something that is still a long long loooooong way from being possible.
On to a real complaint, where is the camera for the iPad?!! Come on Apple, fumbled the ball on that one!
The intelligence of Twitter users is NOT the subject of this thread. I find your characterizations to be insulting in the extreme.
You definitely have my apology. Looking back at the story, I see that my comment was extremely poorly constructed. What I meant to talk about was the subset of tweets expressing disappointment that the iPad does not have a native phone function. And in that regard I also demeaned the Attensity Group. Altogether, I whiffed that by a mile.
Bottom line is is NOT a standalone. It is not intended to be. According to Apple a computer is "Required"
The bottom line is that it isn't intended by Apple to be a standalone computer, but that there is, de facto, nothing preventing it from being used as such other than the initial activation, which can be done at an Apple retail store.
In my opinion the best option for making the iPad into a phone is Toktumi's Line2 app which works on the iPhone, iPod Touch (with a headset) and of course the iPad. It's a VoIP app but you get your own phone number (800 if you wish) as well as a huge list of calling features including voice mail that sends you an email with an mp3 of the message. Works on WIFI and/or 3G.
It's $15 per month but considering 3G service is $30/month you have unlimited US and Canada talk for $45/month. If you have iPhone service, you can use it on WIFI to cut your minutes (as the name implies it's a second line).
In fact you can use Line2 on all these devices at once, having the same number on each device. They're soon releasing push notifications as well as OS X software to run it on your computer as well.
I use it as my only phone over WIFI. It's an iPhone I use it on but I no longer have an ATT contract. So I am paying $15/month for unlimited phone.
If he had just stated that you need to plug it into a PC the first time you start it up or that Apple has designed it as an accessory device to people's PCs the way netbooks are typically utilized, though not required to be utilized, it would have made sense. Instead he's just spinning hyperbole and BS and picking fights with the decent posters here just to later claim he was picked on when he gets his ass schooled. I suggest just add him to your ignore list. It seems the only way to deal with these asshats is to ignore them, as inelegant as a solution as it is.
Typical just simply trying to put a spin on something in a pathetic attempt to prove you are right, when clearly neither you are mouse are correct.
Something is either a standalone device or is isn't. Stop trying to bend reality. Its not a standalone device and the fact that Apple lists other hardware as a system requirement means you can't even debate that fact without sounding foolish.
On your best day you couldn't school me. You're a joke and more and more people are finding that out. About all you are good for at this point is adding names to your signature which is at best childish.
At this particular point in time, most people will be better served with a desktop, iPad and smartphone, and at the same or lower cost.
This is true. In fact I wonder if devices like the iPad won't cause a reverse in the decline of desktop sales and increase of laptop sales. As an iPad and iPhone owner, an iMac makes more sense now as my next computer than another Macbook Pro.
Something is either a standalone device or is isn't. Stop trying to bend reality. Its not a standalone device and the fact that Apple lists other hardware as a system requirement means you can't even debate that fact without sounding foolish.
It's a standalone device if it can be used as a standalone device. I invite you to present a valid argument as to why it can't be used as a standalone device, apart from initial activation, which can be done at the Apple retail store.
NOTE: You may wish to review the thread and avoid any of the arguments already used since none of them have shown that it can't be used as a standalone device.
Many thanks for the huge news ... so exactly who set Twitter users expectations that the iPad could replace an iPhone? That either is a bad survey, or it shows just how distracted Twitter users are.
It's a standalone device if it can be used as a standalone device. I invite you to present a valid argument as to why it can't be used as a standalone device, apart from initial activation, which can be done at the Apple retail store.
NOTE: You may wish to review the thread and avoid any of the arguments already used since none of them have shown that it can't be used as a standalone device.
I don't have to debate this the fact that Apple lists either a Mac or a PC as a system requirement means it is NOT as standalone device. You can debate that all you want but you will still be wrong. This is like saying because an iPod doesn't need to be connected to a PC 100% of the time its a standalone device.
Kind of funny because when you look at the iPod, iPhone, iPad they all have system requirements under tech specs. Not so for Macbook, Mac Mini, iMac, MBP, Mac Pro.
Let me let you in on a little secret thats because the first group are not standalone devices and the second group is.
Other then sloppyism jumping in on this to be Captain America there isn't anyone in this thread that believes the iPad is a standalone device.
Just like car manufacturers recommend that you change the oil routinely. Some people never do. But only for a little while.
The difference, of course, is that a care requires routine maintenance.
What routine maintenance does the iPad or iPhone require? Does it run out of electrons if you don't plug it into the computer? Does the software rot over time? Maybe the interconnects rust if you don't connect it to a computer?
Sure, you can get added functionality if you upgrade the OS, but it's not required to keep the thing running like oil changes are for a car.
I don't have to debate this the fact that Apple lists either a Mac or a PC as a system requirement means it is NOT as standalone device. You can debate that all you want but you will still be wrong. This is like saying because an iPod doesn't need to be connected to a PC 100% of the time its a standalone device.
Only because you're misinterpeting the web page.
It lists Mac AND PC requirements. Does that mean you need a Mac and a PC?
It says you need an iTunes online account. Does that mean you can't access the Internet except through iTunes?
Obviously not. What it is saying is that IF you use it with a PC or Mac, those are the minimum requirements. There's nothing on Apple's site that says that you must have a computer to use it.
In fact, Apple's support forums have several threads about using an iPad as the only computer and every time there is a response from an Apple employee, it says it is possible.
Other than you and, I believe, two others, there isn't anyone claiming that it can't be used as such. And, well, you're simply wrong that it can't.
Well yeah me a few others and Apple. You know the vendor that makes the iPad. I mean I could really try to explain this too you a few other ways but something tells me you simply aren't going to catch on to this simple fact.
Lets try one more time. When you bought your brand new Macbook or MBP and turned it on you could simply start it up follow the directions and bam it was ready to go. You didn't have to hook it up to anything to activate it, load anything it just worked.
Now try that with and iPod, iPhone or iPad and let me know in a few days how far you get.
Also answer this question for me. If someone lives in Mississippi and ordered their iPad online and they don't live anywhere near Ridgeland where the only Apple Store in that state exists and they don't have a computer how do they get their iPad to work?
It lists Mac AND PC requirements. Does that mean you need a Mac and a PC?
It says you need an iTunes online account. Does that mean you can't access the Internet except through iTunes?
Obviously not. What it is saying is that IF you use it with a PC or Mac, those are the minimum requirements. There's nothing on Apple's site that says that you must have a computer to use it.
In fact, Apple's support forums have several threads about using an iPad as the only computer and every time there is a response from an Apple employee, it says it is possible.
No actually I am not. How do you startup your iPad, iPhone or iPod for the first time?
@ jragosta and anonymouse. Unless you two are committed to some Trollodyte Outreach Program I'm not aware of you are just wasting your time. It's been stated more than enough times in thread thread so know that you tried your best to teach some objectivity and let him have the last word.
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Back to the basic story subject. I'd be really interested if Attensity Group also had measured the mean IQ of all the people who posted on Twitter! Matter of fact, they should publish the mean IQ of all the members of Attensity Group, considering the inane nature of their "analysis."
Hypothesis: that both mean sample IQs will measure at least one standard deviation below the mean IQ of the general population.
The intelligence of Twitter users is NOT the subject of this thread. I find your characterizations to be insulting in the extreme.
97% of the time I use my iPhone, I am not using the phone functionality. An iPad can replace these 97% of usage (assuming one has the iPad with oneself). My car key is used 99% of the time as a car key. My iPhone is not. My point is that the iPad makes a lot of the functionality of the iPhone redundant.
Exactly my point, that is where a 'phone remote' for the iPad or an iPhone mini would fit in.
That's why I added ...hmmmm. to the end, starting to like the idea of getting a small & indestructible phone & then getting an iPad.
I mentioned the keys because I took from your post you were implying that it might as well function as a phone if you carry it around everywhere you go. That argument to me made about as much sense as me saying my keys should be a phone. It's a niche ideal, one that I don't think most of us would really want. Niche means money & personally I'd rather sacrifice that niche to pay less for an iPad.
Look, sarcasm aside, it seems there is this growing group that believes all devices should become integrated into 1 device that will equally meet all needs of every person. It's just a silly & impossible ideal. The only way something like that can ever happen is if we were to begin to build devices using nano-technology, something that is still a long long loooooong way from being possible.
On to a real complaint, where is the camera for the iPad?!! Come on Apple, fumbled the ball on that one!
The intelligence of Twitter users is NOT the subject of this thread. I find your characterizations to be insulting in the extreme.
You definitely have my apology. Looking back at the story, I see that my comment was extremely poorly constructed. What I meant to talk about was the subset of tweets expressing disappointment that the iPad does not have a native phone function. And in that regard I also demeaned the Attensity Group. Altogether, I whiffed that by a mile.
Bottom line is is NOT a standalone. It is not intended to be. According to Apple a computer is "Required"
The bottom line is that it isn't intended by Apple to be a standalone computer, but that there is, de facto, nothing preventing it from being used as such other than the initial activation, which can be done at an Apple retail store.
And a netbook.
cant even do that
Why can't you. Truphone for iPad was just released
Yes you can, provided you want to pay the hidden fees.
It's $15 per month but considering 3G service is $30/month you have unlimited US and Canada talk for $45/month. If you have iPhone service, you can use it on WIFI to cut your minutes (as the name implies it's a second line).
In fact you can use Line2 on all these devices at once, having the same number on each device. They're soon releasing push notifications as well as OS X software to run it on your computer as well.
I use it as my only phone over WIFI. It's an iPhone I use it on but I no longer have an ATT contract. So I am paying $15/month for unlimited phone.
Read more here http://douglasdolde.com/news.html
Yes you can, provided you want to pay the hidden fees.
Skype isn't free either
If he had just stated that you need to plug it into a PC the first time you start it up or that Apple has designed it as an accessory device to people's PCs the way netbooks are typically utilized, though not required to be utilized, it would have made sense. Instead he's just spinning hyperbole and BS and picking fights with the decent posters here just to later claim he was picked on when he gets his ass schooled. I suggest just add him to your ignore list. It seems the only way to deal with these asshats is to ignore them, as inelegant as a solution as it is.
Typical just simply trying to put a spin on something in a pathetic attempt to prove you are right, when clearly neither you are mouse are correct.
Something is either a standalone device or is isn't. Stop trying to bend reality. Its not a standalone device and the fact that Apple lists other hardware as a system requirement means you can't even debate that fact without sounding foolish.
On your best day you couldn't school me. You're a joke and more and more people are finding that out. About all you are good for at this point is adding names to your signature which is at best childish.
At this particular point in time, most people will be better served with a desktop, iPad and smartphone, and at the same or lower cost.
This is true. In fact I wonder if devices like the iPad won't cause a reverse in the decline of desktop sales and increase of laptop sales. As an iPad and iPhone owner, an iMac makes more sense now as my next computer than another Macbook Pro.
Something is either a standalone device or is isn't. Stop trying to bend reality. Its not a standalone device and the fact that Apple lists other hardware as a system requirement means you can't even debate that fact without sounding foolish.
It's a standalone device if it can be used as a standalone device. I invite you to present a valid argument as to why it can't be used as a standalone device, apart from initial activation, which can be done at the Apple retail store.
NOTE: You may wish to review the thread and avoid any of the arguments already used since none of them have shown that it can't be used as a standalone device.
It's a standalone device if it can be used as a standalone device. I invite you to present a valid argument as to why it can't be used as a standalone device, apart from initial activation, which can be done at the Apple retail store.
NOTE: You may wish to review the thread and avoid any of the arguments already used since none of them have shown that it can't be used as a standalone device.
I don't have to debate this the fact that Apple lists either a Mac or a PC as a system requirement means it is NOT as standalone device. You can debate that all you want but you will still be wrong. This is like saying because an iPod doesn't need to be connected to a PC 100% of the time its a standalone device.
Kind of funny because when you look at the iPod, iPhone, iPad they all have system requirements under tech specs. Not so for Macbook, Mac Mini, iMac, MBP, Mac Pro.
Let me let you in on a little secret thats because the first group are not standalone devices and the second group is.
Other then sloppyism jumping in on this to be Captain America there isn't anyone in this thread that believes the iPad is a standalone device.
But only for a little while.
Just like car manufacturers recommend that you change the oil routinely. Some people never do. But only for a little while.
The difference, of course, is that a care requires routine maintenance.
What routine maintenance does the iPad or iPhone require? Does it run out of electrons if you don't plug it into the computer? Does the software rot over time? Maybe the interconnects rust if you don't connect it to a computer?
Sure, you can get added functionality if you upgrade the OS, but it's not required to keep the thing running like oil changes are for a car.
Other then sloppyism jumping in on this to be Captain America there isn't anyone in this thread that believes the iPad is a standalone device.
Other than you and, I believe, two others, there isn't anyone claiming that it can't be used as such. And, well, you're simply wrong that it can't.
EDIT: BTW, I find it quite amusing that you're all of a sudden all, "If Apple says so, we must do as they say!"
Of course, that argument was already shown to not hold water, so, no, once again, you don't gain any traction with an already discredited argument.
I don't have to debate this the fact that Apple lists either a Mac or a PC as a system requirement means it is NOT as standalone device. You can debate that all you want but you will still be wrong. This is like saying because an iPod doesn't need to be connected to a PC 100% of the time its a standalone device.
Only because you're misinterpeting the web page.
It lists Mac AND PC requirements. Does that mean you need a Mac and a PC?
It says you need an iTunes online account. Does that mean you can't access the Internet except through iTunes?
Obviously not. What it is saying is that IF you use it with a PC or Mac, those are the minimum requirements. There's nothing on Apple's site that says that you must have a computer to use it.
In fact, Apple's support forums have several threads about using an iPad as the only computer and every time there is a response from an Apple employee, it says it is possible.
Other than you and, I believe, two others, there isn't anyone claiming that it can't be used as such. And, well, you're simply wrong that it can't.
Well yeah me a few others and Apple. You know the vendor that makes the iPad. I mean I could really try to explain this too you a few other ways but something tells me you simply aren't going to catch on to this simple fact.
Lets try one more time. When you bought your brand new Macbook or MBP and turned it on you could simply start it up follow the directions and bam it was ready to go. You didn't have to hook it up to anything to activate it, load anything it just worked.
Now try that with and iPod, iPhone or iPad and let me know in a few days how far you get.
Also answer this question for me. If someone lives in Mississippi and ordered their iPad online and they don't live anywhere near Ridgeland where the only Apple Store in that state exists and they don't have a computer how do they get their iPad to work?
Same question applies to their iPod and iPhone.
Only because you're misinterpeting the web page.
It lists Mac AND PC requirements. Does that mean you need a Mac and a PC?
It says you need an iTunes online account. Does that mean you can't access the Internet except through iTunes?
Obviously not. What it is saying is that IF you use it with a PC or Mac, those are the minimum requirements. There's nothing on Apple's site that says that you must have a computer to use it.
In fact, Apple's support forums have several threads about using an iPad as the only computer and every time there is a response from an Apple employee, it says it is possible.
No actually I am not. How do you startup your iPad, iPhone or iPod for the first time?
No actually I am not. How do you startup your iPad, iPhone or iPod for the first time?
Already covered, numerous times.