Apple iPhone OS 4.0 to introduce Multitasking, 100 other features

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  • Reply 101 of 273
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    Yes that is a good example, same with VLC and MPEG Stream Clip.



    If you are still using those apps, you might want to try Movist and VideoMonkey. They are newer and feel more native to Mac OS X.
  • Reply 102 of 273
    iguesssoiguessso Posts: 132member
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    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    You don't. All apps will be saved when you press home and are put in the multitasking dock doing nothing. If an app is using one of the multitasking APIs and need to do something in the background then it will be doing that thing. Other apps will be saved at last state so when you open then you will start were you left off (they are not running). However, you do have the option to "close" app that exist in the multitasking dock.



    But wouldn't this lead to having every single app eventually moving to the dock? I don't think we would want that. The default action should be to quit, as it is now.
  • Reply 103 of 273
    josh.b.josh.b. Posts: 353member
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    Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post


    From what they are demoing the ads are of much higher quality that what is available now on iPhone apps and they provide information on the product and how to purchase it.



    Naw. The current ads call up a website. An iAd is a website hosted on your phone.



    ISTM that the quality would be equivalent either wa.
  • Reply 104 of 273
    jupiteronejupiterone Posts: 1,564member
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    Originally Posted by iGuessSo View Post


    Good point. Maybe the Home button quits the app as it does now, and some new gesture brings up the home screen?



    I think Jobs (or the other guy) was specifically asked how you quit an app and he said "You don't, we take care of that for you."
  • Reply 105 of 273
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
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    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    Well then I ask you this:



    If the display if the mock-up suffers from this 'alleged' projector distortion, then why does the button on the bottom of the 'mock-up' appear to be perfectly round instead on distorting to an oval shape?



    http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/l...t/90#c26956797



    Like I said - We'll See Soon Enough...



    Check the icons. The are all taller (they should be square). I just did.
  • Reply 106 of 273
    cmf2cmf2 Posts: 1,427member
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    Originally Posted by Josh.B. View Post


    That sounds very cool.



    Is there a flip side though? Does it mean that ONLY those functions with APIs can work in the background?



    Yes, although it would be challenging to come up with a scenario where the provided API's would not be sufficient. If someone does come up with such a scenario, Apple could implement an API for it.
  • Reply 107 of 273
    chronsterchronster Posts: 1,894member
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    Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post


    As though any one expects you to say anything different.



    Sorry but we're entitled to our opinions lol. Listening to Steve Jobs say he did copy and paste better to a crowd of screaming fans is like listening to Sarah Palin say something else obviously absurd to her screaming fans. It's an abortion of reality.





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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    I always believed they were waiting to do it right. The others all rushed it just to be seen to have a better feature than iPhone. Few are lucky enough to own a magic phone like Chronster who can run ten apps on his multi-tasking phone with zero increase in power consumption.



    You shouldn't speak about things you know nothing about. I never said it had zero increase in power consumption, but I am saying it's nowhere NEAR the amount Jobs would have you believe. Me and solipsism got into this and I loaded up a great deal of apps to run in the background all day as I used my phone with normal use. At the end of the day it had consumed just 10% more battery than I was used too, leaving me with 60% instead of 70. Does this sound like what Jobs has been saying to be true? Oh, wait, he's implemented true multitasking with zero increase in power consumption.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    You're right, it's different because it's the only one that works the same throughout the entire system regardless of the item of field. In other words, it's the only one that is complete. That a difference people tend to like over the half-assed versions on Android and WebOS.



    In WM I use copy and paste a lot, whether in email or from web to email, or from web to navigation, or from navigation to text. It all works. I didn't know Android and WebOS had problems with such things...



    You shouldn't listen to me though. It's not like I'm someone who's listening to Steve Jobs say these things about certain functions that have worked perfectly fine on my phone for a long while now lol
  • Reply 108 of 273
    asianbobasianbob Posts: 797member
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    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    Android has a much larger percentage of 'free' apps. And it shows in their quality.

    Lots of hobby-ware over there.



    I do have to say that a lot of the "free" apps (minus the junk "sexy" apps that both App Store and Market have...) are quite nicely made. A lot of them are just as good as the paid apps in function and appearance. Only difference being that ad strip at the top or bottom.



    If you use a site like AppBrain, it'll cut through the clutter and show you a massive list of all the best "free" apps out there.
  • Reply 109 of 273
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
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    Originally Posted by iGuessSo View Post


    But wouldn't this lead to having every single app eventually moving to the dock? I don't think we would want that. The default action should be to quit, as it is now.



    Not the visible "dock". Background apps have their own dock that you can access by double pressing the Home button.
  • Reply 110 of 273
    the cool gutthe cool gut Posts: 1,714member
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    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    Copy and paste in iphone isn't better, it's just different. While playing the ipad I played with the copy and paste feature and I did not like it.



    HAHAHAHAHA!



    yes, let's see how you really do it ...



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLejYAbOxD4



    MODERATERARED: Insulation removed.
  • Reply 111 of 273
    josh.b.josh.b. Posts: 353member
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    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    As far as multitasking goes, I've already shown numerous people on many occasions how my battery life is NOT effected while running up to 10 apps (all doing some kind of function in the background.)



    I know people would rather take every word this guy says as truth than to actually listen to someone like me, but he's honestly selling you bullshit. He's no better than Glenn Beck.



    I perked right up when Steve started in on battery life and sluggish performance. I thought the next guy was going to explain how they avoid it while multitasking. But he never went into it in any depth. Indeed, he never once mentioned those topics.



    Maybe the message was implicit in the demos, but I'd appreciate it if somebody could explicate things.
  • Reply 112 of 273
    rishiorishio Posts: 24member
    Am I the only one that doesn't understand how multitasking works on the iPhone? How do you launch an app and keep it running without quitting it? For example, if I launch the memo app, how do I keep it available so when I want to multitask - I can go back to it?
  • Reply 113 of 273
    jupiteronejupiterone Posts: 1,564member
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    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    Not the visible "dock". Background apps have their own dock that you can access by double pressing the Home button.



    I didn't catch all of the part where they were explaining this "other" dock. What is it's purpose other than to show what apps are still running?
  • Reply 114 of 273
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
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    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    I guess the only thing I'm unclear about is how you'll (as a user) instruct an app to keep running in the background.



    It looked like it was all tied into the double press of the home button. They showed that a double press would bringup a springboard-like UI that would let you you change apps. It wasn't really clear if it would only allow you to switch to another 'running' app or to also launch a new app.



    I was also not entirely clear if the double press was the trigger only for Fast App Switching or also for the other pseudo-multitasking services like GPS and music. I assume it would be, but it wasn't clear.
  • Reply 115 of 273
    brainlessbrainless Posts: 272member
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    Originally Posted by bcotten View Post


    What a complete JOKE. I have been a loyal apple'ist for ages... but this is the final straw. SCREW IT



    Great iPhone fragmentation just accelerates...
  • Reply 116 of 273
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
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    Originally Posted by JupiterOne View Post


    I didn't catch all of the part where they were explaining this "other" dock. What is it's purpose other than to show what apps are still running?



    Well, they didn't call it a dock. I called it a dock because I didn't know what to call it! It shows up when you double press the Home button. It contains all the opened apps. It can hold more than four apps by the way.



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    jupiteronejupiterone Posts: 1,564member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    Well, they didn't call it a dock. I called it a dock because I didn't know what to call it! I shows up when you double press the Home button. It contains all the opened apps.



    Right, but for what purpose? Is it to switch between them?
  • Reply 119 of 273
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Josh.B. View Post


    I perked right up when Steve started in on battery life and sluggish performance. I thought the next guy was going to explain how they avoid it while multitasking. But he never went into it in any depth. Indeed, he never once mentioned those topics.



    Maybe the message was implicit in the demos, but I'd appreciate it if somebody could explicate things.



    Those apps that utilize Fast App Switching would be put into a paused state...essentially closed completely but with their state saved. So have multiple apps 'running' would be no additional resource draw than having a single app running...because only a single app is running.



    For the other MT services, like VOIP, GPS and music, there probably will be some additional drain but far less than having full VOIP, GPS and music apps all open at the same time. Again, those apps close and an OS services handles their background processes, like playing music, receiving a call or tracking location.



    I thought they did a pretty good job, with in the time constraints, of explaining why their implementation of multitasking would be less resource hungry. The single biggest being that it is not true multitasking in the traditional sense. It is a simulation of multitasking, which if done right, looks like a great balance between user needs and resource conservation.
  • Reply 120 of 273
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,924member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    I guess the only thing I'm unclear about is how you'll (as a user) instruct an app to keep running in the background.



    Not exactly what you are asking, but:



    Quote:

    - Q: How do you close apps when multitasking? A: You don't have to. Jobs says that if you see task manager, you blew it. Users shouldn't have to think about it.



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