Porn has always been prevalent in society, and will continue as long as people have private parts. Humping like breathing and eating are kinda essential, it's our ridiculous taboos that complicate the matter. Better kids find out about porn on the internet, before they try cramming a goat somewhere that might do permanent damage. Just like 1st person shooter games teach you not to throw grenades or use bazookas in confined areas.
If you removed all the porn websites from the internet, the only websites left would be ones saying, "bring back the porn"!!!
Since all apps for iPod Touch/iPhone goes through the App Store, he's simply saying that Apple doesn't want to get into the porn business by allowing unsigned apps.
Apple doesn't make money from the porn you view through Safari on the iPhone. It DOES make money from the sale of apps in THEIR App Store.
This argument needs a bit of tuning. By the same way Apple doesn't make money through browsing in Safari, Apple wouldn't make money with unsigned apps, so Apple wouldn't be in the porn business that way. Unsigned apps would mean that it's not part of Apple's business, as it's not going to be in Apple's store.
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They were nobody before the iPhone, and I'm not sure if they have any real inroads into other platforms yet. They only came to prevalence because of free iPhone apps and developers looking to offer free content and still make a few bucks.
You could be right, but I'm guessing there's nothing particularly special about AdMob beyond iPhone apps. We're talking about a image file with a hyperlink and a cookie in an AdMob ad. Now developers have a potentially slicker service built into the development UI.
Quattro was the biggest mobile ad company and they did it without the iPhone, on talent alone - probably a better buy.
I guess I would agree that Quattro was a better buy, especially considering the price difference, For some reason, I hadn't heard of them before Apple bought them, and I am still having a hard time finding information about them, I was just going based on what you said. As yet, I can't find any good traffic or revenue information. I did find that AdMob had served 7+ billion ads (http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/11/04/4462302.htm), but I can't find a similar figure for Quattro.
Not sure if you got the intent from my post... I was in no way (shape, nor form) questioning why flash doesn't exist on Apples mobile devices... I have no love for the poorly written plugin and as a Mac user why would I? Adobe hasn't proven it can write an acceptable FLASH plugin for "OS X" why on earth should Apple allow the garbage propagate any further, especially if it's in a position to stop it.
Android still doesn't have Flash and Flash on Mac OS X has had years to use native APIs yet somehow it's all Apple's fault dating back to 2007. I wonder how these people function in life.
And why would you waste a Q&A question on asking such an asinine question as that. You're better off asking if Steve Jobs likes turtles.
Good thing nobody told Steve that porn is readily accessible on mobile Safari. There are probably even iPhone optimized sites. Then he would have had to remove Safari altogether. The Disneyfication of Apple continues unabated.
A browser is a portal into the world wide web, Apple Corp does not attempt to control the web or our access to it. Apple controls its sources of profit and to an extent how its developers can profit from their participation in the Apple ecosystem.
Really?? There is a difference between having a unregulated porn STORE and having access to adult content via a web browser. Apple is doing something about it. Get real.
You're right, we can't have the iPhone being like OS X with its abundance of uinfettered,unregulated porn apps and app stores corrupting thousands of innocent minds every day.
Parental Controls - Disable Third Party App Stores - problem solved!
Are you guys taking small pieces of today's session and generating multiple little special interest stories? If so, how did Jobs look? Was the room clean, did it smell good? How about an article on the font used in the keynote.
I prefer having it broken down by topic. I don't like it when the stories combined more than one topic because the forum discussion ends up being noisier and more confused, you end up with two major sub threads, if you're lucky. I'd rather hear crickets than have a total thread derailment.
AdMob's biggest asset was the exploding iPhone app ad market, all those little banners in free iPhone apps. So it was natural that Apple approach them, but they certainly don't need them.
However Quattro is a much bigger/more reputable ad company, with a broader base of advertising platforms.
I think they ultimately suckered Google with hype about their interest in AdMob. Google severely overpayed, and Apple got a comparative bargain on the more valuable, better competitor. Regardless of the initial reason, it was well played.
If iPhone app developers switch en masse away from using AdMob to using iAd, Google's acquisition becomes even less economical.
Steve old boy, this is going to backfire. For every person who embraces your no-porn platform, ten will reject it and buy an Android powered phone. Well done on your excellent marksmanship, though were you really aiming for your foot?
A well known truism of the advertising industry is that 'sex sells', just ask the experts you just bought at Quattro.
I have a number of finely crafted hair shirts with Apple logos on them, would anyone here like to buy one? Go on, you know you want one, get a couple for your kids as well to keep their minds off other things. Buy, two, get one free.
A jab perhaps but it'll be the phone all the kids want now.
Not all the kids. There's a good chance that at least 50% of them will give a rat's patootie. And, last I checked, girls are just as likely to be cellphone users as boys.
You know, with porn accessible through safari for anyone who really wants to go there, I really admire Apple's stance. To be honest, I am sick and damn tired of porn being prevalent in society as much as it is. I really respect the lack of porn apps, and I commend Apple for taking a hard stance on the issue.
Hard stance was not intend as a pun.
That is all.
Thanks for that post. I am sick of the wink-wink nature of so many posts here, of the "porn is ubiquitous, so just deal with it" variety.
It is great that someone is taking a stand. Whether it is ultimately futile or not, kudos to Jobs and Apple on this front.
If you removed all the porn websites from the internet, the only websites left would be ones saying, "bring back the porn"!!!
This is the type of uninformed commentary that makes Forums like these totally the preserve of men, and in an ever-expanding, self-serving, self-reinforcing way.
No, no, no - that's why Safari on the iPhone doesn't have flash - all the porn sites use flash
I was thinking the same thing. I haven't looked at any sites, but I would assume they would use Flash video or maybe WMV. Given that the iPhone/iPad supports only H.264 and MPEG4, people shouldn't be able to use these sites. Even Quicktime .mov videos aren't supported, so any site that uses that would also be worthless.
Flash is so doomed. Glad to see that iAd is using HTML5 for its rich interactive experience.
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And now we have a new derisive term for Android: "Porndroid". The best way to to pwn your mobile pr0n.
Honestly, I don't see a point in complaining about porn apps when you can get free porn on any smartphone, iPhone included, from the Internet (yes, I was curious enough to type "iPhone porn" in iPhone Safari's search field).
So basically we have Porndroid vs. the iPorn. Or iPhorne. Big deal.
Is there a way to filter Internet sites in iPhone OS, anyway?
This is the type of uninformed commentary that makes Forums like these totally the preserve of men, and in an ever-expanding, self-serving, self-reinforcing way.
Way to go, guys!
Sorry that you are unable to see something that was obviously intended as a joke. I meant no offense, but I guess I should have remembered that there are always people on forums who take everything far too seriously.
Sorry that you are unable to see something that was obviously intended as a joke. I meant no offense, but I guess I should have remembered that there are always people on forums who take everything far too seriously.
My fault for not seeing the joke. I meant nothing personal.
It seemed like a good 'hook' to hang my hat on, that's all.
Good thing nobody told Steve that porn is readily accessible on mobile Safari. There are probably even iPhone optimized sites. Then he would have had to remove Safari altogether. The Disneyfication of Apple continues unabated.
Really?? There is a difference between having a unregulated porn STORE and having access to adult content via a web browser. Apple is doing something about it. Get real.
I have no quarrel with porn or other sex-oriented sites. Having said this, I consider Apple's "non-porn" policy to be prudent, clever marketing as well as save a lot of headache and may actually save them money.
As to Safari (and other browsers) being a porn gateway -- they solved that in a manner that is used by many more progressive libaries. They included softwares that allow parents or adults to block sites they do not want minors in their care to view. This move counters the propaganda from prudes. We know however that a determined horny kid shall find a way to circumvent this. Apple is protected.
As noted by a number of posters, "... there is a difference between having a unregulated porn STORE and having access to adult content via a web ..." The latter Apple already addressed. More important, by not sanctioning an "... unregulated porn STORE...", the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad, will be more acceptable to some target markets -- education and the enterprise.
People are now complaining about how difficult to find good apps. Sex-oriented sites also comprise a great bulk of internet sites. Imagine if Apple allows "unregulated porn STORE...", and the ratio of adult apps to other apps is 1000 to 1 or even as low as 10 to 1.
Also, considering that most porn access now is free .. all the above, if "unregulated porn STORE...", is allowed is likely not to provide much revenue to Apple, and yet would greatly tax its screening process, to the detriment of evaluation of other apps.
Why is it taking so long for my app to be approved? Blogs that will be repeated by Apple detractors.
If Apple would select good PORN from bad PORN, I am sure there will be an outcry about censorship and arbritrary approval process. All complaints given much hype, even by the mainstream media.
Moreover, porn by nature are video sites -- they use a lot of bandwidth. People are already complaining about the capability of AT&T to meet the demands of iPhone users.
PORN sites tend to be a source of malwares and other stuff that could kead to identity theft and other adverse impacts.
Will kids or adults really buy phones because they have unregulated access to porn sites? I doubt, they already have their coimputers to access porn.
Considering all the above Apple made the correct choice regarding its policy to exclude "unregulated porn STORE...". Also, let us not forget that Apple from the very beginning does not intend its product for everyone. And, PORN is one of those that they would rather cede to Andorid, Nokia and other companies.
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I'm amazed how many biggots are on AI.
Just about as many as are NOT on AI... What's your point?
If you removed all the porn websites from the internet, the only websites left would be ones saying, "bring back the porn"!!!
Since all apps for iPod Touch/iPhone goes through the App Store, he's simply saying that Apple doesn't want to get into the porn business by allowing unsigned apps.
Apple doesn't make money from the porn you view through Safari on the iPhone. It DOES make money from the sale of apps in THEIR App Store.
This argument needs a bit of tuning. By the same way Apple doesn't make money through browsing in Safari, Apple wouldn't make money with unsigned apps, so Apple wouldn't be in the porn business that way. Unsigned apps would mean that it's not part of Apple's business, as it's not going to be in Apple's store.
They were nobody before the iPhone, and I'm not sure if they have any real inroads into other platforms yet. They only came to prevalence because of free iPhone apps and developers looking to offer free content and still make a few bucks.
You could be right, but I'm guessing there's nothing particularly special about AdMob beyond iPhone apps. We're talking about a image file with a hyperlink and a cookie in an AdMob ad. Now developers have a potentially slicker service built into the development UI.
Quattro was the biggest mobile ad company and they did it without the iPhone, on talent alone - probably a better buy.
I guess I would agree that Quattro was a better buy, especially considering the price difference, For some reason, I hadn't heard of them before Apple bought them, and I am still having a hard time finding information about them, I was just going based on what you said. As yet, I can't find any good traffic or revenue information. I did find that AdMob had served 7+ billion ads (http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2009/11/04/4462302.htm), but I can't find a similar figure for Quattro.
Not sure if you got the intent from my post... I was in no way (shape, nor form) questioning why flash doesn't exist on Apples mobile devices... I have no love for the poorly written plugin and as a Mac user why would I? Adobe hasn't proven it can write an acceptable FLASH plugin for "OS X" why on earth should Apple allow the garbage propagate any further, especially if it's in a position to stop it.
Android still doesn't have Flash and Flash on Mac OS X has had years to use native APIs yet somehow it's all Apple's fault dating back to 2007. I wonder how these people function in life.
And why would you waste a Q&A question on asking such an asinine question as that. You're better off asking if Steve Jobs likes turtles.
Good thing nobody told Steve that porn is readily accessible on mobile Safari. There are probably even iPhone optimized sites. Then he would have had to remove Safari altogether. The Disneyfication of Apple continues unabated.
A browser is a portal into the world wide web, Apple Corp does not attempt to control the web or our access to it. Apple controls its sources of profit and to an extent how its developers can profit from their participation in the Apple ecosystem.
Really?? There is a difference between having a unregulated porn STORE and having access to adult content via a web browser. Apple is doing something about it. Get real.
You're right, we can't have the iPhone being like OS X with its abundance of uinfettered,unregulated porn apps and app stores corrupting thousands of innocent minds every day.
Parental Controls - Disable Third Party App Stores - problem solved!
Are you guys taking small pieces of today's session and generating multiple little special interest stories? If so, how did Jobs look? Was the room clean, did it smell good? How about an article on the font used in the keynote.
I prefer having it broken down by topic. I don't like it when the stories combined more than one topic because the forum discussion ends up being noisier and more confused, you end up with two major sub threads, if you're lucky. I'd rather hear crickets than have a total thread derailment.
AdMob's biggest asset was the exploding iPhone app ad market, all those little banners in free iPhone apps. So it was natural that Apple approach them, but they certainly don't need them.
However Quattro is a much bigger/more reputable ad company, with a broader base of advertising platforms.
I think they ultimately suckered Google with hype about their interest in AdMob. Google severely overpayed, and Apple got a comparative bargain on the more valuable, better competitor. Regardless of the initial reason, it was well played.
If iPhone app developers switch en masse away from using AdMob to using iAd, Google's acquisition becomes even less economical.
A well known truism of the advertising industry is that 'sex sells', just ask the experts you just bought at Quattro.
I have a number of finely crafted hair shirts with Apple logos on them, would anyone here like to buy one? Go on, you know you want one, get a couple for your kids as well to keep their minds off other things. Buy, two, get one free.
A jab perhaps but it'll be the phone all the kids want now.
Not all the kids. There's a good chance that at least 50% of them will give a rat's patootie. And, last I checked, girls are just as likely to be cellphone users as boys.
You know, with porn accessible through safari for anyone who really wants to go there, I really admire Apple's stance. To be honest, I am sick and damn tired of porn being prevalent in society as much as it is. I really respect the lack of porn apps, and I commend Apple for taking a hard stance on the issue.
Hard stance was not intend as a pun.
That is all.
Thanks for that post. I am sick of the wink-wink nature of so many posts here, of the "porn is ubiquitous, so just deal with it" variety.
It is great that someone is taking a stand. Whether it is ultimately futile or not, kudos to Jobs and Apple on this front.
You do remember that those apps with images of barely clothed women were topping the top downloaded app charts in iTunes not too long ago, don't you?
What's your point?
Why don't we allow porn on network television?
If you removed all the porn websites from the internet, the only websites left would be ones saying, "bring back the porn"!!!
This is the type of uninformed commentary that makes Forums like these totally the preserve of men, and in an ever-expanding, self-serving, self-reinforcing way.
Way to go, guys!
No, no, no - that's why Safari on the iPhone doesn't have flash - all the porn sites use flash
I was thinking the same thing. I haven't looked at any sites, but I would assume they would use Flash video or maybe WMV. Given that the iPhone/iPad supports only H.264 and MPEG4, people shouldn't be able to use these sites. Even Quicktime .mov videos aren't supported, so any site that uses that would also be worthless.
Flash is so doomed. Glad to see that iAd is using HTML5 for its rich interactive experience.
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And now we have a new derisive term for Android: "Porndroid". The best way to to pwn your mobile pr0n.
Honestly, I don't see a point in complaining about porn apps when you can get free porn on any smartphone, iPhone included, from the Internet (yes, I was curious enough to type "iPhone porn" in iPhone Safari's search field).
So basically we have Porndroid vs. the iPorn. Or iPhorne. Big deal.
Is there a way to filter Internet sites in iPhone OS, anyway?
This is the type of uninformed commentary that makes Forums like these totally the preserve of men, and in an ever-expanding, self-serving, self-reinforcing way.
Way to go, guys!
Sorry that you are unable to see something that was obviously intended as a joke. I meant no offense, but I guess I should have remembered that there are always people on forums who take everything far too seriously.
Sorry that you are unable to see something that was obviously intended as a joke. I meant no offense, but I guess I should have remembered that there are always people on forums who take everything far too seriously.
My fault for not seeing the joke. I meant nothing personal.
It seemed like a good 'hook' to hang my hat on, that's all.
Originally Posted by stonefree View Post
Good thing nobody told Steve that porn is readily accessible on mobile Safari. There are probably even iPhone optimized sites. Then he would have had to remove Safari altogether. The Disneyfication of Apple continues unabated.
Really?? There is a difference between having a unregulated porn STORE and having access to adult content via a web browser. Apple is doing something about it. Get real.
I have no quarrel with porn or other sex-oriented sites. Having said this, I consider Apple's "non-porn" policy to be prudent, clever marketing as well as save a lot of headache and may actually save them money.
As to Safari (and other browsers) being a porn gateway -- they solved that in a manner that is used by many more progressive libaries. They included softwares that allow parents or adults to block sites they do not want minors in their care to view. This move counters the propaganda from prudes. We know however that a determined horny kid shall find a way to circumvent this. Apple is protected.
As noted by a number of posters, "... there is a difference between having a unregulated porn STORE and having access to adult content via a web ..." The latter Apple already addressed. More important, by not sanctioning an "... unregulated porn STORE...", the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad, will be more acceptable to some target markets -- education and the enterprise.
People are now complaining about how difficult to find good apps. Sex-oriented sites also comprise a great bulk of internet sites. Imagine if Apple allows "unregulated porn STORE...", and the ratio of adult apps to other apps is 1000 to 1 or even as low as 10 to 1.
Also, considering that most porn access now is free .. all the above, if "unregulated porn STORE...", is allowed is likely not to provide much revenue to Apple, and yet would greatly tax its screening process, to the detriment of evaluation of other apps.
Why is it taking so long for my app to be approved? Blogs that will be repeated by Apple detractors.
If Apple would select good PORN from bad PORN, I am sure there will be an outcry about censorship and arbritrary approval process. All complaints given much hype, even by the mainstream media.
Moreover, porn by nature are video sites -- they use a lot of bandwidth. People are already complaining about the capability of AT&T to meet the demands of iPhone users.
PORN sites tend to be a source of malwares and other stuff that could kead to identity theft and other adverse impacts.
Will kids or adults really buy phones because they have unregulated access to porn sites? I doubt, they already have their coimputers to access porn.
Considering all the above Apple made the correct choice regarding its policy to exclude "unregulated porn STORE...". Also, let us not forget that Apple from the very beginning does not intend its product for everyone. And, PORN is one of those that they would rather cede to Andorid, Nokia and other companies.
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The iPhone has that feature as well. It's called Safari. Open it up, type in any porn website and away you go!
Steve kind of failed to mention that didn't he?
And I like how he side-stepped the question itself. This just in folks! All unsigned apps must be porn! Steve Jobs says it's so!
Don't get me wrong, I have respect for the man, but come on...
Considering that googling for iPhone porn seems to be giving more hits than googling for Android porn, it really doesn't make much sense.
It is like freelance street hooker pointing accusing finger at brothel with sex shop in the basement.
Even if street lady claims her doing is magic, while others are only doing prostitution