Adobe CEO dismisses Steve Jobs' comments on Flash as a 'smokescreen'

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  • Reply 41 of 171
    haggarhaggar Posts: 1,568member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post


    Flash needs fucking hardware acceleration to increase it's speed so people can watch video without dragging their computers through the mud.



    Like the way the Mac OS Finder needs hardware acceleration to resize windows?
  • Reply 42 of 171
    grkinggrking Posts: 533member
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    Originally Posted by str1f3 View Post


    You can't even respect the guy after he says that Flash doesn't have a problem with battery life. Every problem he has someone else to blame. Pathetic.

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    No, he was responding to SJ's original assertion that if they had allowed Flash on the iPad the battery would have gone from 10 hours to about 1.5 hours.
  • Reply 43 of 171
    macinthe408macinthe408 Posts: 1,050member
    I think Adobe doesn't take into account UI integrity. They could care less that 20 Adobe cross-platform apps across multiple platforms all have different UI guidelines, none of them adhering to Apple's HIG.



    Why would I not care about that?



    In one app I could get a Windows UI; Amiga in yet another; BeOS in another, and so on. The only common thread would be the Flash runtime on the iPhone. In fact, you could eschew the App Store altogether; all one would need is one Flash app to run thousands of apps not available on the App Store. Even though Apple claims technology, that right there is an indisputable claim to protect the bottom line. (Doesn't every business? People seem to think that Apple should be "nice" first, profitable second.)
  • Reply 44 of 171
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
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    Originally Posted by bloggerblog View Post


    It's also interesting how Narayen conveniently ignores to respond to Symantec's claim of 'Flash having one of the worst security records in 2009.'



    Actually, he failed to provide a rational response to ANY of Steve's comments. His only response boils down to 'Liar, liar, pants on fire" and "Neener, Neener".



    I would have expected a lot more from someone in his position.
  • Reply 45 of 171
    b1ng0b1ng0 Posts: 5member
    Flash doesn't only crash Safari, but also Firefox on Linux. Almost every crash related to Firefox is due to Flash. You can see this by running dmesg command:



    npviewer.bin[30480] general protection ip:123257c sp:bfce3840 error:0 in libflashplayer.so[ec0000+994000]



    Flash is a bloated pile of crap and riddled with buffer overflows and insecure coding.
  • Reply 46 of 171
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    Does this guy realized what happen the last time Jobs put out open letter to the world, it killed DRM on music.
  • Reply 47 of 171
    bdkennedy1bdkennedy1 Posts: 1,459member
    Flash isn't a core part of the OS. Thanks



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Haggar View Post


    Like the way the Mac OS Finder needs hardware acceleration to resize windows?



  • Reply 48 of 171
    As a long-time fan of Apple technology and a lone developer, I can see some merit to both sides' arguments about developer tools and platforms here.



    I fully support Apple's decision not to deploy Flash Player on its mobile platforms for all the good reasons cited by Steve Jobs and arm-waved by Adobe's CEO.



    And I fully support Adobe's contention that cross-platform tools will often be seen as a preferable alternative to proprietary development environments and languages. Small developers can't afford to program in multiple tools and environments unless they manage to create a blockbuster best-seller. The member above who snidely remarked that Apple developer tools are just $99 conveniently overlooks the fact that the cost of the tool is a minor noise issue compared to the time cost of running and learning multiple development environments.



    The Web is the future. Proprietary apps -- even for Apple's iThings -- will always have a place but that place will shrink in coming years. On the Web, HTML5 and its supporting cast are destined to emerge as the winner over proprietary technologies like Flash. Adobe should focus on building great tools to support the new Web standards rather than defending an outmoded technology.
  • Reply 49 of 171
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post




    Narayen dismissed Jobs' stated problems with the technology behind Flash as a "smokescreen." He said that more than 100 applications currently available on the App Store were made using Adobe's porting software, to be publicly released with the forthcoming Creative Suite 5.



    100 applications.



    Wow! I'm impressed.



    Aren't you guys impressed?



  • Reply 50 of 171
    As a rule, I stay away from Flash sites. I don't care whether Flash crashes or not. Too many sites are poorly designed by wannabe developers. Even if Flash were in the iPhone OS, I would avoid it.
  • Reply 51 of 171
    This may have already been said but, at first glance the two most important complaints of Adobe's Flash is it is not modern and a resource hog...



    ...but I see it as Jobs has spent his life 'corralling' incompetant programmers from producing substandard software, apps, interfaces, etc.



    All one has to do and pickup any camera, smart phone, cable box, digital picture frame, flat screen TV, stand alone GPS unit or any electronic device not made by Apple and 'navigate' through their crappy, clunky and clumsy SW. It's Sh*te.



    Stevo does not want his Apple platform infected with inferior code! Simple as that!
  • Reply 52 of 171
    Wow this is insane!!



    Also, Narayen is spelled Narayan in the second paragraph. :P
  • Reply 53 of 171
    ghostface147ghostface147 Posts: 1,629member
    The real test is when Flash is released for Android. That will be the first major mobile OS to run the full featured Flash implementation. Symbian may have had it too, but I am not sure and haven't seen any metrics on how it works. If Flash runs fine and doesn't cause issues on Android, Apple has some explaining to do. If it does crash and cause issues, Adobe has some explaining to do.
  • Reply 54 of 171
    monstrositymonstrosity Posts: 2,234member
    Some of the comments on here astound me.



    Adobe is the scourge of the internet. Wake up.
  • Reply 55 of 171
    echosonicechosonic Posts: 462member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    LOL hysterical, if not a wee bit hypocritical.



    Hi, Solipsism, love you love your posts, listen I'm a first-time poster, long-time reader, and I was just wondering, when dude claims Adobe to be "open" does that mean any of us can obtain the source code and fuck with it?



    Because if not, then it would seem to me that its actually "proprietary", which would mean their CEO Tekstud is a liar.
  • Reply 56 of 171
    elrothelroth Posts: 1,201member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Archipellago View Post


    The Adobe executive said he believe's Adobe's cross-platform stance is more beneficial to businesses and developers, allowing to make their software available on a range of devices rather than deciding on just one. "It doesn't benefit Apple, and that's why you see this reaction," he said.





    bingo...we have a winner.



    Go Adobe.



    Yeah, let's restrict Apple to the same crapware found on every other operating system. It's only fair.
  • Reply 57 of 171
    alienzedalienzed Posts: 393member
    Flash is bad because you need to install a plugin to use it. 95% of users don't know what a plugin is.
  • Reply 58 of 171
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post


    The real test is when Flash is released for Android. That will be the first major mobile OS to run the full featured Flash implementation. Symbian may have had it too, but I am not sure and haven't seen any metrics on how it works. If Flash runs fine and doesn't cause issues on Android, Apple has some explaining to do. If it does crash and cause issues, Adobe has some explaining to do.



    I don't follow your logic.



    EVEN IF it works some time in late 2010 on phones that are fast A8 or A9 processors, how would that demonstrate that Apple was wrong in saying that Flash wouldn't run on 400-600 MHz processors? Not to mention the fact that there IS NO full version of Flash today, so it would be impossible to include it even on the iPad which does meet the processor specs. So the fact that there might be a product in the future means that Jobs has to explain why it's not included today?



    Your logic is a little weak.
  • Reply 59 of 171
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    Originally Posted by homeville View Post


    As a rule, I stay away from Flash sites. I don't care whether Flash crashes or not. Too many sites are poorly designed by wannabe developers. Even if Flash were in the iPhone OS, I would avoid it.



    Flash websites are sooo Geocities. If I come across a site all in Flash, I immediately leave and look for an alternative (usually a competitor).
  • Reply 60 of 171
    Silly . OS X doesn't crash more than Flash! (that rhymes)
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