So, my thinking is, buy a US 32 GB 3G for $729 before tax. Avoid the tax somehow (I believe you can do this buying online somehow -- happy to be educated by our US friends here); and ship to my company's NY offices. Get friendly colleague to pop iPad in the 'internal' mail and have it shipped over.
Worst case scenario, it'll be picked up by UK Customs and I'll have to pay VAT on it (at some notional base price they come up with). No import duty to pay, 'cos certain wireless devices are (for some reason) exempt.
So, I reckon it'd cost me somewhere between £500 and £550; as opposed to the £599 it would cost me in the UK. Not massively cheaper, but not to be sniffed at.
Why do we need to know this?
Best case scenario is that you get sacked for improper use of the company internal mail system.
Signed one of the idiot UK electorate you disparaged earlier.
You will pay sales taxes in New York at point of sale, so subtract 8-10% from your "savings."
Probably someone from NY knows their state's exact sales tax rate.
I seem to recall reading that if you buy from an 'out of state' online shop, you can avoid some or all taxes. Now, this maybe a loophole that is closed off, or I could be completely misunderstanding.
... Having just checked on Apple's eShop, estimated tax to 10174 is $64.70. Oh well.
What? These are your own government's national consumption taxes.
I'm not arguing that this is Apple's fault ... just that it's stupid.
I'm not 100% on VAT, but we sure as shit pay an extra 10 percent sales tax when we buy the product. I thought VAT was supposed to replace Sales Tax?
Edit: my only point is this: I also live in a bungalow in the suburbs in North America driving a car (that was likely produced in Canada though we paid more!) and get a product shipped from China, so I don't see why it should cost us 10% more!
Its like that for tons of stuff; c'est la vie. Rogers screws us too!
so wtf good is the free trade agreement if we pay international tax anyway
Softwood Lumber all over again!
(insert Hardwood Lumber joke here)
edit: they are made in China anyway, which is what rips me off.
There is no duty, i.e., international tax. However, companies shipping from the US to Canada and vice versa typically use freight forwarders to help ship cross border.
As for your last line, you really need do some homework.
Best case scenario is that you get sacked for improper use of the company internal mail system.
Signed one of the idiot UK electorate you disparaged earlier.
You don't need to know anything here. It's a discussion forum. I'm discussing options. Somebody else might even find the information useful.
Best case scenario? Thanks. You're charming.
And what makes you think that I consider the whole of the UK electorate idiots? Clearly I think some of them made the right decision. Maybe you're in that bracket.
Maybe you should drink less coffee at work. It's clearly making you tetchy.
I'm not arguing that this is Apple's fault ... just that it's stupid.
I'm not 100% on VAT, but we sure as shit pay an extra 10 percent sales tax when we buy the product. I thought VAT was supposed to replace Sales Tax?
Edit: my only point is this: I also live in a bungalow in the suburbs in North America driving a car (that was likely produced in Canada though we paid more!) and get a product shipped from China, so I don't see why it should cost us 10% more!
Its like that for tons of stuff; c'est la vie. Rogers screws us too!
As for your statement that "Rogers screw us too," there is nothing that screws you more that ignorance. And as far as I can see from you recent postings, you don't need Viagra. IMO.
I seem to recall reading that if you buy from an 'out of state' online shop, you can avoid some or all taxes. Now, this maybe a loophole that is closed off, or I could be completely misunderstanding.
... Having just checked on Apple's eShop, estimated tax to 10174 is $64.70. Oh well.
Sometimes. It's a bit of a roulette wheel. Technically online retailers are required to collect sales taxes from all customers residing in any state where the company has a presence, but this is not always done. Amazon for example collects no sales taxes for customers in California, but that doesn't mean residents don't owe them. California (and other states, I'm sure) is currently making a major effort to crack down on sales tax scofflaws.
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I'm not arguing that this is Apple's fault ... just that it's stupid.
I'm not 100% on VAT, but we sure as shit pay an extra 10 percent sales tax when we buy the product. I thought VAT was supposed to replace Sales Tax?
I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you're in Canada you pay a VAT built into the price and we in the US pay a sales tax which is calculated and collected at point of sale. So what are you griping about?
Sometimes. It's a bit of a roulette wheel. Technically online retailers are required to collect sales taxes from all customers residing in any state where the company has a presence, but this is not always done. Amazon for example collects no sales taxes for customers in California, but that doesn't mean residents don't owe them. California (and other states, I'm sure) is currently making a major effort to crack down on sales tax scofflaws.
I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you're in Canada you pay a VAT built into the price and we in the US pay a sales tax which is calculated and collected at point of sale. So what are you griping about?
Canadian prices do *NOT* include tax, they never have.
Canadian prices do *NOT* include tax, they never have.
But you do pay GST, correct? It's essentially the same thing, a tax on consumption. And they are included in the price, not added at point of sale, correct?
But you do pay GST, correct? It's essentially the same thing, a tax on consumption. And they are included in the price, not added at point of sale, correct?
But not included in Apples pricing...
Edit: The $549 iPad will be $576.45 after 5% GST. More in provinces that also have a provincial tax.
But you do pay GST, correct? It's essentially the same thing, a tax on consumption. And they are included in the price, not added at point of sale, correct?
No, it's not included in the price, anywhere in Canada. You pay at the register.
There is no duty, i.e., international tax. However, companies shipping from the US to Canada and vice versa typically use freight forwarders to help ship cross border.
As for your last line, you really need do some homework.
Why?
When i bought my computer from apple it shipped straight from China, and I paid 10% extra for it going to Toronto-Saskatoon instead of New York-Fargo?
Is Canada post more expensive? There is something missing here. Likely it has to do with exchange rates years ago or something. Thats an excuse we get often.
So, my thinking is, buy a US 32 GB 3G for $729 before tax. Avoid the tax somehow (I believe you can do this buying online somehow -- happy to be educated by our US friends here); and ship to my company's NY offices. Get friendly colleague to pop iPad in the 'internal' mail and have it shipped over.
Worst case scenario, it'll be picked up by UK Customs and I'll have to pay VAT on it (at some notional base price they come up with). No import duty to pay, 'cos certain wireless devices are (for some reason) exempt.
So, I reckon it'd cost me somewhere between £500 and £550; as opposed to the £599 it would cost me in the UK. Not massively cheaper, but not to be sniffed at.
Why do we need to know this?
Best case scenario is that you get sacked for improper use of the company internal mail system.
Signed one of the idiot UK electorate you disparaged earlier.
You don't need to know anything here. It's a discussion forum. I'm discussing options. Somebody else might even find the information useful.
Best case scenario? Thanks. You're charming.
And what makes you think that I consider the whole of the UK electorate idiots? Clearly I think some of them made the right decision. Maybe you're in that bracket.
Maybe you should drink less coffee at work. It's clearly making you tetchy.
I found it useful - thanks Richy!
[emphasis mine]
And I can confirm there are indeed some very idiotic voters in the UK!
APPLE stores have been out of stock on ALL IPADS for the last 5 days. Should be interesting to see how this launch goes when the U.S. supply is short sided. Perhaps that's the reason the U.S. supply is so short as factories are producing international models for now.
So, my thinking is, buy a US 32 GB 3G for $729 before tax. Avoid the tax somehow (I believe you can do this buying online somehow -- happy to be educated by our US friends here); and ship to my company's NY offices. Get friendly colleague to pop iPad in the 'internal' mail and have it shipped over.
Or you could buy one at the airport the next time you go on holiday, save 17.5% instantly and not have to worry about getting into trouble with customs/your company.
My iPad 3G isn't shipping 'til May 27, yet it'll be available internationally the next day? They should take care of their homegrowns first before taking care of the foreigners.
Or you could buy one at the airport the next time you go on holiday, save 17.5% instantly and not have to worry about getting into trouble with customs/your company.
Which airport?
If bought at a UK airport, you only get it VAT free if you are not going to bring it back to the UK.
If bought in USA then you need to declare it on arrival and pay VAT, as your personal limit for imports is £145.
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So, my thinking is, buy a US 32 GB 3G for $729 before tax. Avoid the tax somehow (I believe you can do this buying online somehow -- happy to be educated by our US friends here); and ship to my company's NY offices. Get friendly colleague to pop iPad in the 'internal' mail and have it shipped over.
Worst case scenario, it'll be picked up by UK Customs and I'll have to pay VAT on it (at some notional base price they come up with). No import duty to pay, 'cos certain wireless devices are (for some reason) exempt.
So, I reckon it'd cost me somewhere between £500 and £550; as opposed to the £599 it would cost me in the UK. Not massively cheaper, but not to be sniffed at.
Why do we need to know this?
Best case scenario is that you get sacked for improper use of the company internal mail system.
Signed one of the idiot UK electorate you disparaged earlier.
so wtf good is the free trade agreement if we pay international tax anyway
What? These are your own government's national consumption taxes.
You will pay sales taxes in New York at point of sale, so subtract 8-10% from your "savings."
Probably someone from NY knows their state's exact sales tax rate.
I seem to recall reading that if you buy from an 'out of state' online shop, you can avoid some or all taxes. Now, this maybe a loophole that is closed off, or I could be completely misunderstanding.
... Having just checked on Apple's eShop, estimated tax to 10174 is $64.70. Oh well.
What? These are your own government's national consumption taxes.
I'm not arguing that this is Apple's fault ... just that it's stupid.
I'm not 100% on VAT, but we sure as shit pay an extra 10 percent sales tax when we buy the product. I thought VAT was supposed to replace Sales Tax?
Edit: my only point is this: I also live in a bungalow in the suburbs in North America driving a car (that was likely produced in Canada though we paid more!) and get a product shipped from China, so I don't see why it should cost us 10% more!
Its like that for tons of stuff; c'est la vie. Rogers screws us too!
Our dollar is at 98 cents yet we still pay 10% more for the base model! Humbug!
But you are in a foreign country!
so wtf good is the free trade agreement if we pay international tax anyway
Softwood Lumber all over again!
(insert Hardwood Lumber joke here)
edit: they are made in China anyway, which is what rips me off.
There is no duty, i.e., international tax. However, companies shipping from the US to Canada and vice versa typically use freight forwarders to help ship cross border.
As for your last line, you really need do some homework.
Why do we need to know this?
Best case scenario is that you get sacked for improper use of the company internal mail system.
Signed one of the idiot UK electorate you disparaged earlier.
You don't need to know anything here. It's a discussion forum. I'm discussing options. Somebody else might even find the information useful.
Best case scenario? Thanks. You're charming.
And what makes you think that I consider the whole of the UK electorate idiots? Clearly I think some of them made the right decision. Maybe you're in that bracket.
Maybe you should drink less coffee at work. It's clearly making you tetchy.
I'm not arguing that this is Apple's fault ... just that it's stupid.
I'm not 100% on VAT, but we sure as shit pay an extra 10 percent sales tax when we buy the product. I thought VAT was supposed to replace Sales Tax?
Edit: my only point is this: I also live in a bungalow in the suburbs in North America driving a car (that was likely produced in Canada though we paid more!) and get a product shipped from China, so I don't see why it should cost us 10% more!
Its like that for tons of stuff; c'est la vie. Rogers screws us too!
To start, perhaps you should read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax
As for your statement that "Rogers screw us too," there is nothing that screws you more that ignorance. And as far as I can see from you recent postings, you don't need Viagra. IMO.
I seem to recall reading that if you buy from an 'out of state' online shop, you can avoid some or all taxes. Now, this maybe a loophole that is closed off, or I could be completely misunderstanding.
... Having just checked on Apple's eShop, estimated tax to 10174 is $64.70. Oh well.
Sometimes. It's a bit of a roulette wheel. Technically online retailers are required to collect sales taxes from all customers residing in any state where the company has a presence, but this is not always done. Amazon for example collects no sales taxes for customers in California, but that doesn't mean residents don't owe them. California (and other states, I'm sure) is currently making a major effort to crack down on sales tax scofflaws.
I'm not arguing that this is Apple's fault ... just that it's stupid.
I'm not 100% on VAT, but we sure as shit pay an extra 10 percent sales tax when we buy the product. I thought VAT was supposed to replace Sales Tax?
I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you're in Canada you pay a VAT built into the price and we in the US pay a sales tax which is calculated and collected at point of sale. So what are you griping about?
Sometimes. It's a bit of a roulette wheel. Technically online retailers are required to collect sales taxes from all customers residing in any state where the company has a presence, but this is not always done. Amazon for example collects no sales taxes for customers in California, but that doesn't mean residents don't owe them. California (and other states, I'm sure) is currently making a major effort to crack down on sales tax scofflaws.
I'm not sure I understand the question, but if you're in Canada you pay a VAT built into the price and we in the US pay a sales tax which is calculated and collected at point of sale. So what are you griping about?
Canadian prices do *NOT* include tax, they never have.
Canadian prices do *NOT* include tax, they never have.
But you do pay GST, correct? It's essentially the same thing, a tax on consumption. And they are included in the price, not added at point of sale, correct?
But you do pay GST, correct? It's essentially the same thing, a tax on consumption. And they are included in the price, not added at point of sale, correct?
But not included in Apples pricing...
Edit: The $549 iPad will be $576.45 after 5% GST. More in provinces that also have a provincial tax.
But you do pay GST, correct? It's essentially the same thing, a tax on consumption. And they are included in the price, not added at point of sale, correct?
No, it's not included in the price, anywhere in Canada. You pay at the register.
Be interesting to see what the prices here in Japan will be.
Why didn't they announce the prices for all of the countries getting iPads this month at the same time?
Hopefully they will let us know tomorrow... Hope the base model comes in under ¥50,000.
There is no duty, i.e., international tax. However, companies shipping from the US to Canada and vice versa typically use freight forwarders to help ship cross border.
As for your last line, you really need do some homework.
Why?
When i bought my computer from apple it shipped straight from China, and I paid 10% extra for it going to Toronto-Saskatoon instead of New York-Fargo?
Is Canada post more expensive? There is something missing here. Likely it has to do with exchange rates years ago or something. Thats an excuse we get often.
So, my thinking is, buy a US 32 GB 3G for $729 before tax. Avoid the tax somehow (I believe you can do this buying online somehow -- happy to be educated by our US friends here); and ship to my company's NY offices. Get friendly colleague to pop iPad in the 'internal' mail and have it shipped over.
Worst case scenario, it'll be picked up by UK Customs and I'll have to pay VAT on it (at some notional base price they come up with). No import duty to pay, 'cos certain wireless devices are (for some reason) exempt.
So, I reckon it'd cost me somewhere between £500 and £550; as opposed to the £599 it would cost me in the UK. Not massively cheaper, but not to be sniffed at.
Why do we need to know this?
Best case scenario is that you get sacked for improper use of the company internal mail system.
Signed one of the idiot UK electorate you disparaged earlier.
You don't need to know anything here. It's a discussion forum. I'm discussing options. Somebody else might even find the information useful.
Best case scenario? Thanks. You're charming.
And what makes you think that I consider the whole of the UK electorate idiots? Clearly I think some of them made the right decision. Maybe you're in that bracket.
Maybe you should drink less coffee at work. It's clearly making you tetchy.
I found it useful - thanks Richy!
[emphasis mine]
And I can confirm there are indeed some very idiotic voters in the UK!
So, my thinking is, buy a US 32 GB 3G for $729 before tax. Avoid the tax somehow (I believe you can do this buying online somehow -- happy to be educated by our US friends here); and ship to my company's NY offices. Get friendly colleague to pop iPad in the 'internal' mail and have it shipped over.
Or you could buy one at the airport the next time you go on holiday, save 17.5% instantly and not have to worry about getting into trouble with customs/your company.
Or you could buy one at the airport the next time you go on holiday, save 17.5% instantly and not have to worry about getting into trouble with customs/your company.
Which airport?
If bought at a UK airport, you only get it VAT free if you are not going to bring it back to the UK.
If bought in USA then you need to declare it on arrival and pay VAT, as your personal limit for imports is £145.