Yup. Ever since we saved your asses in dubya dubya two.
So, by this example, we should speak French for saving our arse during the revolutionary war?
The lime... errr Brit has a point, a large portion of English as second language is taught in the world as the Queens English, not American English. Sorry.
For me, I too do not care for the auto-correct on the iPhone.
Also, would like to see a Bluetooth keyboard that has a touch pad to mimic touching on the display. Is there such a thing?
The only point I was making is that *unlike* every other Mac you can buy, the iPhone OS currently *doesn't* have dual dictionaries. oxeygenhose's ill-informed, and unnecessarily bigoted remarks to the contrary.
The spell check is a fantastic addition, but if it doesn't spell check in the language you are using, then it's a net *loss* to have it.
I agree mostly with the fellow that said it doesn't matter to him what anyone else uses, it's just about being allowed to use your own language. It also only crosses the line into rude territory when bigoted and inaccurate remarks are made about someone else's language choice. It's a bit rude if you are English, to be told by an American that their *variant* of your language is actually the original, and that we should all suck it up and "go American."
I think apart from oxygenhose, most reasonable people would agree that they need to put the proper dictionaries in if they are going to have spell-check. This is just common sense given that outside of the USA, regular "English" is far more common and multiple variations are in use all the time.
OK, I am sure they will. I have to say after 20 years living in the US I can't remember which spelling is which half the time now! LOL
One thing that always amuses me is how narrow minded and silly many Brits are (usually ones with really bad accents) when they come here on vacation, insisting their way is right and the US way is wrong in so many things. Yet they'd go to Greece or France and accept the language and cultural differences as being part of the charm.
I guess sense of humo(u)r varies from English dialect to English dialect.......
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Originally Posted by ltcommander.data
Are you saying that British English is a "fringe English dialect"?
Well, the arrogant arsehole who suggested that doesn't seem to realise that in terms of pure numbers of native speakers, Indian English is the accepted norm and his US-variant is an equally worthless degenerate dialect.
No one "owns" a language. The English language no more belongs to the current inhabitants of England than it belongs to anyone else. All languages are mish-mashes built with parts borrowed from elsewhere -- English especially. Even terms like "UK English" and "American English" are fictions, since those categories contain many regional and ethnic sub-categories.
What the categorization schemes reflect, at their core, is the social and political power to create the categories. History is written by the winners, as are dictionaries. That's all. "You" is no more "correct" in some absolute way, for example, than "y'all" or "yous" or" yunz" as a form of the second-person plural, it just reflects the reality that people who say "you" had the power to write the dictionaries and grammar books. That's it.
In practice, Apple cannot provide a dictionary for every variety of English, but it can and should provide for the large obvious groupings, including UK English and American English.
Ahem, the French would claim -- with some justification -- that they civilized that island across the channel, say, around the mid-eleventh century.
No, that is a common misconception. Inhabitants of the UK were already members of a perfectly functioning society. The Norman French invaded the country, killed/subjugated the Nobility, and pretty much enslaved the people. Progress? Yeah, like Saddam was progressive, or (without wishing to begin the wrath of a Godwin's law debate), Hitler. People always assume the Normans brought culture to the UK. No, no they didn't. They stole a whole bunch of land and pretty much stomped on the native population (Sound familiar, America?)
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Remember that William (Guillaume) guy from Northern France?
Yes. The one who crapped on our culture and set us back 300 years over night? Yes. We remember him.
The Norman French invaded the country, killed/subjugated the Nobility, and pretty much enslaved the people. [...] People always assume the Normans brought culture to the UK. No, no they didn't.
So they didn't bring them their culture? I don't think anyone would argue that the losers of war didn't have their own culture. I'd say that it's easy to argue that the victors made their new lands "civilized" simply by virtue that the victors write the history and they will surely favour their culture over the losers culture.
You seem to be taking a very anti-Norman stance here yet I can guarantee you that your very cultural has been directly influenced by these events so I don't see how one can look at millennia old invasion so personally. Judging by your last name it's almost a certainty that you are descended from these very Normans.
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They stole a whole bunch of land and pretty much stomped on the native population (Sound familiar, America?)
Those people were probably descended from the Normans. It's in their nature. Or maybe that's human nature.
I just want the ability to tell the dictionary that if I accidentally miss the second e in "been" that it won't automatically make it into "Bern" - I mean, seriously, wtf? I have it in English, not swiss, I'm about 100000000% sure that people who accidentally type "bern" in english meant to type "been."
I think editable would be awesome, I can't tell you how many times it messes things up with random words that I don't like. Oh, and while we're at it. If I hit send without addressing your correction don't change it, leave it as is.
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Yup. Ever since we saved your asses in dubya dubya two.
So, by this example, we should speak French for saving our arse during the revolutionary war?
The lime... errr Brit has a point, a large portion of English as second language is taught in the world as the Queens English, not American English. Sorry.
For me, I too do not care for the auto-correct on the iPhone.
Also, would like to see a Bluetooth keyboard that has a touch pad to mimic touching on the display. Is there such a thing?
The only point I was making is that *unlike* every other Mac you can buy, the iPhone OS currently *doesn't* have dual dictionaries. oxeygenhose's ill-informed, and unnecessarily bigoted remarks to the contrary.
The spell check is a fantastic addition, but if it doesn't spell check in the language you are using, then it's a net *loss* to have it.
I agree mostly with the fellow that said it doesn't matter to him what anyone else uses, it's just about being allowed to use your own language. It also only crosses the line into rude territory when bigoted and inaccurate remarks are made about someone else's language choice. It's a bit rude if you are English, to be told by an American that their *variant* of your language is actually the original, and that we should all suck it up and "go American."
I think apart from oxygenhose, most reasonable people would agree that they need to put the proper dictionaries in if they are going to have spell-check. This is just common sense given that outside of the USA, regular "English" is far more common and multiple variations are in use all the time.
OK, I am sure they will. I have to say after 20 years living in the US I can't remember which spelling is which half the time now! LOL
One thing that always amuses me is how narrow minded and silly many Brits are (usually ones with really bad accents) when they come here on vacation, insisting their way is right and the US way is wrong in so many things. Yet they'd go to Greece or France and accept the language and cultural differences as being part of the charm.
True. Taking that a step further, we're all Africans, no?
(I think thread is deteriorating, and I am partly responsible.......
OK, but I could not let the idea that the 'French' ever invaded England successufully go unchalleneged!
OK, but I could not let the idea that the 'French' ever invaded England successufully go unchalleneged!
That is a perfectly understandable sentiment.
Me too...
I guess sense of humo(u)r varies from English dialect to English dialect.......
Are you saying that British English is a "fringe English dialect"?
Well, the arrogant arsehole who suggested that doesn't seem to realise that in terms of pure numbers of native speakers, Indian English is the accepted norm and his US-variant is an equally worthless degenerate dialect.
What the categorization schemes reflect, at their core, is the social and political power to create the categories. History is written by the winners, as are dictionaries. That's all. "You" is no more "correct" in some absolute way, for example, than "y'all" or "yous" or" yunz" as a form of the second-person plural, it just reflects the reality that people who say "you" had the power to write the dictionaries and grammar books. That's it.
In practice, Apple cannot provide a dictionary for every variety of English, but it can and should provide for the large obvious groupings, including UK English and American English.
Ahem, the French would claim -- with some justification -- that they civilized that island across the channel, say, around the mid-eleventh century.
No, that is a common misconception. Inhabitants of the UK were already members of a perfectly functioning society. The Norman French invaded the country, killed/subjugated the Nobility, and pretty much enslaved the people. Progress? Yeah, like Saddam was progressive, or (without wishing to begin the wrath of a Godwin's law debate), Hitler. People always assume the Normans brought culture to the UK. No, no they didn't. They stole a whole bunch of land and pretty much stomped on the native population (Sound familiar, America?)
Remember that William (Guillaume) guy from Northern France?
Yes. The one who crapped on our culture and set us back 300 years over night? Yes. We remember him.
The Norman French invaded the country, killed/subjugated the Nobility, and pretty much enslaved the people. [...] People always assume the Normans brought culture to the UK. No, no they didn't.
So they didn't bring them their culture? I don't think anyone would argue that the losers of war didn't have their own culture. I'd say that it's easy to argue that the victors made their new lands "civilized" simply by virtue that the victors write the history and they will surely favour their culture over the losers culture.
You seem to be taking a very anti-Norman stance here yet I can guarantee you that your very cultural has been directly influenced by these events so I don't see how one can look at millennia old invasion so personally. Judging by your last name it's almost a certainty that you are descended from these very Normans.
They stole a whole bunch of land and pretty much stomped on the native population (Sound familiar, America?)
Those people were probably descended from the Normans. It's in their nature. Or maybe that's human nature.
Two comments:
- The pictures don't do a very good job of explaining what's going on.
- This will be a big disaster outside of the USA until Apple introduces an English dictionary for the iDevices.
I don't write American, I write using English. Having the squiggly red underlines is annoying if all the suggestions are going to be incorrect.Apple needs to get the finger out and put UK English, Canadian English, Canadian French etc. dictionaries into the iDevices.
Not sure what you're talking about regrading UK English, it seems to work perfectly. Not sure about the other languages though.
I think editable would be awesome, I can't tell you how many times it messes things up with random words that I don't like. Oh, and while we're at it. If I hit send without addressing your correction don't change it, leave it as is.
Wow, what a completely offensive and unnecessary response.
No content, several lies, a personal attack, an attack on an entire country and a couple of bigoted remarks all in one post.
Totally was thinking the same thing. Why is this forum full of trolls?