Actually i'm not upset at either. Just observing the hypocracy of talking about being open and then delivering technologies for closed content. I know apple has DRM, but they don't go around saying they are the web. http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
I am not sure what you mean by "closed content" but I can watch the videos on Hulu for free (no pay) so I am pretty happy. Sure it's not on the ipad but that is what itunes is for.
if you read their statement they can't use it because they couldn't figure out how to get DRM. Thanks "open" adobe for sticking us with hulu's drm content!
more like thanks studios and networks. cause they are the ones that are demanding the DRM
as for the whole price thing. i'm waiting to see the price point and what it gets. if I'm paying $9.95 for the same 5 eps full of ads, no way. if I"m paying $9.95 for no ads beyond perhaps one at the very top and the whole season, then maybe.
Our player doesn’t just simply stream video, it must also secure the content, handle reporting for our advertisers, render the video using a high performance codec to ensure premium visual quality, communicate back with the server to determine how long to buffer and what bitrate to stream, and dozens of other things that aren't necessarily visible to the end user.
All that crap should be done on the server. Why is all that logic embedded in the player anyways? Heck, can it do my dishes too?
I admit to getting a little side tracked here. I have no trouble with with companies protecting theft. I wish there was a better way than DRM.
My main point is their relevance in this Flash/HTML5 debate. Who cares what they think if the deteriation of their content continues. Hulu was my favorite site a year ago and now I never visit because the really good shows have pulled away. IE Comedy central programming. There was a time when I could watch every episode of programs like 24, now you can only get to past 4 or 5. For example go to hulu and try to watch a Burn Notice episode. Sorry it doesn't exist. Something is clearly changing for the bad for them. Probably not their fault.
So if they continue this path of declining content, who cares what technologies they use because eventually nobody will go to their site anyway. Content Content Content!
This comes out right after the Adobe love letter and now Hulu is claiming they can only support flash, sounds like two CEO's had dinner last night and said hey I know how we can get back at apple for pissing in our sand box.
This comes out right after the Adobe love letter and now Hulu is claiming they can only support flash, sounds like two CEO's had dinner last night and said hey I know how we can get back at apple for pissing in our sand box.
Video streaming service Hulu posted and quickly retracted an item on its official blog Thursday, in which the company stated that it doesn't see HTML5 in its immediate future.
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The statement would seem to finally put to rest lingering rumors that Hulu might convert to HTML5 for an iPad-friendly site. But it does not mean that iPad users will not be able to access Hulu.
Wouldn't being "quickly retracted" seem to indicate the opposite (that they do have plans to make it available)?
Leave it up stating that it is something they are not considering at this time but they are watching what happens would be more indicatvie of them not doing it.
I bet Adobe got to them and made a deal or threatened them or ???
Hulu no longer has content worth a crap so who cares if they stick with flash the rest of their existence. I boxeed my appletv over a year ago, but because hulu content gets worse and worse I no longer view it with the apple tv. It was a great idea, but powerful people must hate hulu because their content is worse and worse.
This forum is going down a typical path. If Apple doesn't allow you to have something, then you didn't want it anyway.
It's really not that big of a deal that they won't use HTML video. Hulu doesn't really need it right now. For the iPhone and iPad they only need to stream H.264 outside of any media wrapper.
The MLB.com At Bat iPhone app has been streaming video with HTML5 since last summer, and it also supports authentication of an MLB.TV subscription. Apparently the folks at Hulu are jut too lazy, or are getting paid off by Adobe. My vote is for the latter.
This forum is going down a typical path. If Apple doesn't allow you to have something, then you didn't want it anyway.
You can say that if you want, but i gave everyone specific examples of declining content of very popular TV programs on this forum. We already knew their movie selection was a joke, but that was ok when the tv content was strong.
Hulu doesn't own the content, they license it from the companies who do. The companies who own the content choose to do with it what they feel is in their best interest not what's in Hulu's best interst.
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Originally Posted by stevetim
My main point is their relevance in this Flash/HTML5 debate. Who cares what they think if the deteriation of their content continues. Hulu was my favorite site a year ago and now I never visit because the really good shows have pulled away. IE Comedy central programming. There was a time when I could watch every episode of programs like Lost or 24, now you can only get to past 4 or 5. For example go to hulu and try to watch a Burn Notice episode. Sorry it doesn't exist. Something is clearly changing for the bad for them. Probably not their fault.
So if they continue this path of declining content, who cares what technologies they use because eventually nobody will go to their site anyway. Content Content Content!
This comes out right after the Adobe love letter and now Hulu is claiming they can only support flash, sounds like two CEO's had dinner last night and said hey I know how we can get back at apple for pissing in our sand box.
Oh yeah, the dinner conversation probably went something like this:
Adobe: stick with Flash
Hulu: ok, we aren't too interested in more viewers anyway
Hulu doesn't own the content, they license it from the companies who do. The companies who own the content choose to do with it what they feel is in their best interest not what's in Hulu's best interst.
Flash is using h264 for its f4v container(you can put it in flv container using ffmpeg), except flash allows h264 to be played in many browsers that dont support h264 natively like firefox.
Gstreamer for Linux. I have no sympathies for complaining you can't use Safari, Chrome or other h.264 ready OS X browsers.
Hulu is telling the truth. HTML5 cannot perform all the functions that Hulu requires. MLB does not do what Hulu does with it's video.
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Originally Posted by Galley
The MLB.com At Bat iPhone app has been streaming video with HTML5 since last summer, and it also supports authentication of an MLB.TV subscription. Apparently the folks at Hulu are jut too lazy, or are getting paid off by Adobe. My vote is for the latter.
Hulu no longer has content worth a crap so who cares if they stick with flash the rest of their existence. I boxeed my appletv over a year ago, but because hulu content gets worse and worse I no longer view it with the apple tv. It was a great idea, but powerful people must hate hulu because their content is worse and worse.
All that crap should be done on the server. Why is all that logic embedded in the player anyways? Heck, can it do my dishes too?
You don't seem to understand exactly how specific the information that they can gather from a flash based player is. It isn't simply that you watched the video and clicked on an ad; it's how long you watched, where you skipped around to, where you started, where you ended, what resolution you watched it at, what volume you used, whether or not you used closed captioning, and most importantly, whether or not you clicked on the embedded ad link (and at what point).
When I was at Macworld back when flash video was first taking off, I saw a demo of all the information that can be gathered from it and what a boon it would be for advertisers. That all has to be done within the player, and HTML5 simply doesn't have that functionality. Or, you know, a definitive codec.
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Originally Posted by pt123
Oh yeah, the dinner conversation probably went something like this:
Adobe: stick with Flash
Hulu: ok, we aren't too interested in more viewers anyway
You don't get it, do you? This is the same company that is forced by the content providers to actively block people from viewing their content on TVs on devices that are otherwise PCs. They want you to view their content the way they want you to, not the way you want to. This is not new, and it has nothing to do with Apple or Adobe, as much as you want it to.
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Actually i'm not upset at either. Just observing the hypocracy of talking about being open and then delivering technologies for closed content. I know apple has DRM, but they don't go around saying they are the web. http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
I am not sure what you mean by "closed content" but I can watch the videos on Hulu for free (no pay) so I am pretty happy. Sure it's not on the ipad but that is what itunes is for.
if you read their statement they can't use it because they couldn't figure out how to get DRM. Thanks "open" adobe for sticking us with hulu's drm content!
more like thanks studios and networks. cause they are the ones that are demanding the DRM
as for the whole price thing. i'm waiting to see the price point and what it gets. if I'm paying $9.95 for the same 5 eps full of ads, no way. if I"m paying $9.95 for no ads beyond perhaps one at the very top and the whole season, then maybe.
Our player doesn’t just simply stream video, it must also secure the content, handle reporting for our advertisers, render the video using a high performance codec to ensure premium visual quality, communicate back with the server to determine how long to buffer and what bitrate to stream, and dozens of other things that aren't necessarily visible to the end user.
All that crap should be done on the server. Why is all that logic embedded in the player anyways? Heck, can it do my dishes too?
So what are you really upset about?
I admit to getting a little side tracked here. I have no trouble with with companies protecting theft. I wish there was a better way than DRM.
My main point is their relevance in this Flash/HTML5 debate. Who cares what they think if the deteriation of their content continues. Hulu was my favorite site a year ago and now I never visit because the really good shows have pulled away. IE Comedy central programming. There was a time when I could watch every episode of programs like 24, now you can only get to past 4 or 5. For example go to hulu and try to watch a Burn Notice episode. Sorry it doesn't exist. Something is clearly changing for the bad for them. Probably not their fault.
So if they continue this path of declining content, who cares what technologies they use because eventually nobody will go to their site anyway. Content Content Content!
This comes out right after the Adobe love letter and now Hulu is claiming they can only support flash, sounds like two CEO's had dinner last night and said hey I know how we can get back at apple for pissing in our sand box.
Oh this was not orchestrated by Adobe...
This comes out right after the Adobe love letter and now Hulu is claiming they can only support flash, sounds like two CEO's had dinner last night and said hey I know how we can get back at apple for pissing in our sand box.
I'm sure it's a conspiracy.
Video streaming service Hulu posted and quickly retracted an item on its official blog Thursday, in which the company stated that it doesn't see HTML5 in its immediate future.
...
The statement would seem to finally put to rest lingering rumors that Hulu might convert to HTML5 for an iPad-friendly site. But it does not mean that iPad users will not be able to access Hulu.
Wouldn't being "quickly retracted" seem to indicate the opposite (that they do have plans to make it available)?
Leave it up stating that it is something they are not considering at this time but they are watching what happens would be more indicatvie of them not doing it.
I bet Adobe got to them and made a deal or threatened them or ???
Hulu no longer has content worth a crap so who cares if they stick with flash the rest of their existence. I boxeed my appletv over a year ago, but because hulu content gets worse and worse I no longer view it with the apple tv. It was a great idea, but powerful people must hate hulu because their content is worse and worse.
This forum is going down a typical path. If Apple doesn't allow you to have something, then you didn't want it anyway.
This forum is going down a typical path. If Apple doesn't allow you to have something, then you didn't want it anyway.
You can say that if you want, but i gave everyone specific examples of declining content of very popular TV programs on this forum. We already knew their movie selection was a joke, but that was ok when the tv content was strong.
My main point is their relevance in this Flash/HTML5 debate. Who cares what they think if the deteriation of their content continues. Hulu was my favorite site a year ago and now I never visit because the really good shows have pulled away. IE Comedy central programming. There was a time when I could watch every episode of programs like Lost or 24, now you can only get to past 4 or 5. For example go to hulu and try to watch a Burn Notice episode. Sorry it doesn't exist. Something is clearly changing for the bad for them. Probably not their fault.
So if they continue this path of declining content, who cares what technologies they use because eventually nobody will go to their site anyway. Content Content Content!
Oh this was not orchestrated by Adobe...
This comes out right after the Adobe love letter and now Hulu is claiming they can only support flash, sounds like two CEO's had dinner last night and said hey I know how we can get back at apple for pissing in our sand box.
Oh yeah, the dinner conversation probably went something like this:
Adobe: stick with Flash
Hulu: ok, we aren't too interested in more viewers anyway
Hulu doesn't own the content, they license it from the companies who do. The companies who own the content choose to do with it what they feel is in their best interest not what's in Hulu's best interst.
agreed, that's their problem.
Flash is using h264 for its f4v container(you can put it in flv container using ffmpeg), except flash allows h264 to be played in many browsers that dont support h264 natively like firefox.
Gstreamer for Linux. I have no sympathies for complaining you can't use Safari, Chrome or other h.264 ready OS X browsers.
The MLB.com At Bat iPhone app has been streaming video with HTML5 since last summer, and it also supports authentication of an MLB.TV subscription. Apparently the folks at Hulu are jut too lazy, or are getting paid off by Adobe. My vote is for the latter.
Hulu no longer has content worth a crap so who cares if they stick with flash the rest of their existence. I boxeed my appletv over a year ago, but because hulu content gets worse and worse I no longer view it with the apple tv. It was a great idea, but powerful people must hate hulu because their content is worse and worse.
Ditto what you said.
All that crap should be done on the server. Why is all that logic embedded in the player anyways? Heck, can it do my dishes too?
You don't seem to understand exactly how specific the information that they can gather from a flash based player is. It isn't simply that you watched the video and clicked on an ad; it's how long you watched, where you skipped around to, where you started, where you ended, what resolution you watched it at, what volume you used, whether or not you used closed captioning, and most importantly, whether or not you clicked on the embedded ad link (and at what point).
When I was at Macworld back when flash video was first taking off, I saw a demo of all the information that can be gathered from it and what a boon it would be for advertisers. That all has to be done within the player, and HTML5 simply doesn't have that functionality. Or, you know, a definitive codec.
Oh yeah, the dinner conversation probably went something like this:
Adobe: stick with Flash
Hulu: ok, we aren't too interested in more viewers anyway
You don't get it, do you? This is the same company that is forced by the content providers to actively block people from viewing their content on TVs on devices that are otherwise PCs. They want you to view their content the way they want you to, not the way you want to. This is not new, and it has nothing to do with Apple or Adobe, as much as you want it to.