I've decided to reinstall and will have to jailbreak to get my unlock but I will forgo the multitasking and wallpapers this time. I just couldn't stand the stuttering and slow performance for now. Strangely enough I now have a stuck pixel but I know that is just coincidental.
Seems like the geek gods are really conspiring to make me not like keeping my current phone on the current OS. I hope they stop doing this because I'm not buying a new phone for now or if I am, it likely will not be an iPhone or on AT&T.
Just updated my iPod Touch 3G and it was worth any 1 second extra delay I have in opening an app.
I had 3 pages of Japanese language apps that I consolidated down to 4 icons. Sweet!
I was a little surprised though to learn that even those folders are limited in app quantities. What's the point in having a limit of 12 or so apps to one folder.
life cycles of obsolescence as models age is not "fragmentation." it's "legacy" support of older devices, which is of course an inevitable situation for anything that lasts a while.
smartphone purchases are financed with two year contracts, so that is their economic lifecycle. as a practical matter you pay $x a month plus $50-$200 or more downpayment every two years to get an updated model. sometimes you can sell your old phone to recover some of that downpayment too - there is a real market for used 3G iPhones today, even trade-ins. but for old Android phones?
so if the 3GS had problems with iOS 4, yes that would be a fragmentation issue because the 3GS is still in its initial lifecycle and you're still paying for buying it. but the 3G and 2G are past that point for most people. my old 2G is now my iPod (with wifi!) and remote control, and it still does a very good job of that for me - i'll never need to buy another iPod, just will recycle old iPhones.
microsoft's curse is mandatory "legacy" support of its hundreds of millions of Windows XP PC's and servers still in use, which prevents it from re-inventing NT from the ground up like it should. Apple doesn't have this problem with the iPhone and never will. because almost no one will ever have a 5 year old smartphone for primary use that needs to be supported like that.
android however is "fragmented." because all its models are still in their initial lifecycle. some phones less than a year old can't get the latest 2.2 update and may have problems with the latest apps, but their owners are locked into contracts with a year to go or a huge prepayment fee. the phones 1 to 2 years old, forget it.
and just compare a June 2008 3G iPhone now running iOS 4 with the original Android October 2008 HTC Dream/G1 forever limited to Android 1.6 and still locked in to a contract. how do they stack up!?
or even the much newer HTC Droid from October 2009 that will be forever limited to Android 2.1 - and it's not even a year into its contract!
Upgrade took a bit less than 2 hours (not including download of the iOS 4.0), backup was very slow and restore was very slow ... My battery used to last about 18 hours ... With iOS 4 battery died completely after about 10 hours
My 3G battery has been lasting much less time in the past month, long before iOS4 hit it. So it is very hard to blame the new OS....yet. Many other reports on Twitter wondering if Steve Jobs has a secret "3G Off" switch in Cupertino that he just flipped to make us all upgrade to the iPhone 4.
Apple's engineers determined that supporting this more sophisticated level of multitasking on models with less RAM than the iPhone 3GS wouldn't work well, so rather than excluding iPhone 3G users from upgrading, they simply turned off multitasking as a feature so users could benefit from the other improvements to iOS 4 (which as a whole also take up more memory than previous versions of the OS).
Bosh, total and utter bosh. All iPhones and iPod touches can multi-task. That's how they can play iTunes music while using other apps or why users can talk on the phone and browse the web at the same time. Enough RAM isn't the issue and never has been.
Apple could have easily added multi-tasking, at least at the level or allowing 1-2 apps to run in the background. That feature for Apple apps been there from day one.They chose to not do so because they're greedy. They want to force us to upgrade. Please quit shilling for them or blaming their engineers.
Crippling products to force users to upgrade. Day by day, Apple is getting more and more like Microsoft.
Just tried out my spellchecker in the e-mail app on my 3G. I typed in a sentence with various misspellings. Check this out:
I typed in the word "spellchek". The word was underlined in red to flag an error. I tapped on the word to correct it and the software said "No Replacements Found".
Could it be because spell check are two words and not one?
smartphone purchases are financed with two year contracts, so that is their economic lifecycle. as a practical matter you pay $x a month plus $50-$200 or more downpayment every two years to get an updated model. sometimes you can sell your old phone to recover some of that downpayment too - there is a real market for used 3G iPhones today, even trade-ins. but for old Android phones?
so if the 3GS had problems with iOS 4, yes that would be a fragmentation issue because the 3GS is still in its initial lifecycle and you're still paying for buying it. but the 3G and 2G are past that point for most people. my old 2G is now my iPod (with wifi!) and remote control, and it still does a very good job of that for me - i'll never need to buy another iPod, just will recycle old iPhones.
And this applies to countries where there are 3-year contracts how?
Round 2 has gone MUCH, MUCH better. The performance is MUCH faster now and very acceptable. No multitasking and no wallpapers = pretty much the way it was 3.1.2. I tried TapTap again and it was 99% good. It was all much better. Safari felt faster and the attempt at digital zoom with the camera actually isn't terrible. I've also turned off the conversations feature of email since I don't use it and note that most of the initial slowness there appears related to redownloading headers for previews.
Yes benchmarks have show iOS 4 slows down the 3GS, but remember that the 3G will not get multitasking. You will probably get a slight performance drop, but I doubt Apple would even release it if it was anything notable.
it is noticeable, my 3G feels sluggish at times but what it is worse, a couple of fav games (iMafia, Racers) now crash out regularly, perhaps because they're graphic intensive. They have become unplayable since upgrading. Lovely upgrade no doubt, but I wouldn't recommend on the 3G unless experimenting it, in anticipation of the new phone. I'm expecting delivery of my iPhone 4 by 5th July, it can't come soon enough
My 3G post update is pathologically slow, save for one thing - pinch to zoom is much nicer in Safari. Everything else though, is far slower and more crashy than before. Apps take an eternity to load and more often than not just crash back to Springboard before they finish loading. The iPod app (which I notice now puts single TV episodes in separate folders for absolutely no reason) crashes very often (even more than before), and lags horribly.
I can only assume Apple want to force us owners of antique 3Gs to upgrade by making our phones unusably sluggish.
Aside from pinch to zoom iOS4 is all negatives for 3G owners as far as I'm concerned. We get virtually no new features of any note and get a lot less performance.
Check it out: The Mail app (not just the daemon as it used to) stays in the background, as does Safari. (Although Safari gets shut down by the system pretty fast since it uses up lots of resources.) This is *really* great for us heavy email users on the 3G.
Springboard also feels smoother and I haven't noticed slowdown anywhere.
I upgraded to my 3G (upgrade took about 2hrs, much longer than any previous upgrade) and haven't noticed any slugishness. If anything, Springboard seems a bit more fluid and responsive.
However, after upgrading, I strongly recommend a full power off and restart. I noticed I had a weird process running (name was just a random string) and it appeared to be killing the CPU as the phone was very slow and getting hot. After the restart it wasn't there and the phone was back to normal.
Have noticed that the max amount of available memory is much reduced on iOS4. Before, a "free memory" request would result in at least 30-40Mb free. Now I never see more than 15Mb free at any one time.
i updated my 3G, and it does seem somewhat slower at times. Certainly not really noticeably. . But the 3G has always really been slow, I get keys stuck midway quite often, programs seem to freeze for about 5 or 6 seconds when I open them. So the update, doesn't seem really much worse really.
Bosh, total and utter bosh. All iPhones and iPod touches can multi-task. That's how they can play iTunes music while using other apps or why users can talk on the phone and browse the web at the same time. Enough RAM isn't the issue and never has been.
Apple could have easily added multi-tasking, at least at the level or allowing 1-2 apps to run in the background. That feature for Apple apps been there from day one.They chose to not do so because they're greedy. They want to force us to upgrade. Please quit shilling for them or blaming their engineers.
Crippling products to force users to upgrade. Day by day, Apple is getting more and more like Microsoft.
Read Trumptman's posts to understand why you're full of shit.
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Seems like the geek gods are really conspiring to make me not like keeping my current phone on the current OS. I hope they stop doing this because I'm not buying a new phone for now or if I am, it likely will not be an iPhone or on AT&T.
Round two coming up.
I had 3 pages of Japanese language apps that I consolidated down to 4 icons. Sweet!
I was a little surprised though to learn that even those folders are limited in app quantities. What's the point in having a limit of 12 or so apps to one folder.
Apple ? Fragmentation ? How that can be ?
life cycles of obsolescence as models age is not "fragmentation." it's "legacy" support of older devices, which is of course an inevitable situation for anything that lasts a while.
smartphone purchases are financed with two year contracts, so that is their economic lifecycle. as a practical matter you pay $x a month plus $50-$200 or more downpayment every two years to get an updated model. sometimes you can sell your old phone to recover some of that downpayment too - there is a real market for used 3G iPhones today, even trade-ins. but for old Android phones?
so if the 3GS had problems with iOS 4, yes that would be a fragmentation issue because the 3GS is still in its initial lifecycle and you're still paying for buying it. but the 3G and 2G are past that point for most people. my old 2G is now my iPod (with wifi!) and remote control, and it still does a very good job of that for me - i'll never need to buy another iPod, just will recycle old iPhones.
microsoft's curse is mandatory "legacy" support of its hundreds of millions of Windows XP PC's and servers still in use, which prevents it from re-inventing NT from the ground up like it should. Apple doesn't have this problem with the iPhone and never will. because almost no one will ever have a 5 year old smartphone for primary use that needs to be supported like that.
android however is "fragmented." because all its models are still in their initial lifecycle. some phones less than a year old can't get the latest 2.2 update and may have problems with the latest apps, but their owners are locked into contracts with a year to go or a huge prepayment fee. the phones 1 to 2 years old, forget it.
and just compare a June 2008 3G iPhone now running iOS 4 with the original Android October 2008 HTC Dream/G1 forever limited to Android 1.6 and still locked in to a contract. how do they stack up!?
or even the much newer HTC Droid from October 2009 that will be forever limited to Android 2.1 - and it's not even a year into its contract!
now that's fragmentation, poor suckers.
Upgrade took a bit less than 2 hours (not including download of the iOS 4.0), backup was very slow and restore was very slow ... My battery used to last about 18 hours ... With iOS 4 battery died completely after about 10 hours
My 3G battery has been lasting much less time in the past month, long before iOS4 hit it. So it is very hard to blame the new OS....yet. Many other reports on Twitter wondering if Steve Jobs has a secret "3G Off" switch in Cupertino that he just flipped to make us all upgrade to the iPhone 4.
Apple's engineers determined that supporting this more sophisticated level of multitasking on models with less RAM than the iPhone 3GS wouldn't work well, so rather than excluding iPhone 3G users from upgrading, they simply turned off multitasking as a feature so users could benefit from the other improvements to iOS 4 (which as a whole also take up more memory than previous versions of the OS).
Bosh, total and utter bosh. All iPhones and iPod touches can multi-task. That's how they can play iTunes music while using other apps or why users can talk on the phone and browse the web at the same time. Enough RAM isn't the issue and never has been.
Apple could have easily added multi-tasking, at least at the level or allowing 1-2 apps to run in the background. That feature for Apple apps been there from day one.They chose to not do so because they're greedy. They want to force us to upgrade. Please quit shilling for them or blaming their engineers.
Crippling products to force users to upgrade. Day by day, Apple is getting more and more like Microsoft.
Just tried out my spellchecker in the e-mail app on my 3G. I typed in a sentence with various misspellings. Check this out:
I typed in the word "spellchek". The word was underlined in red to flag an error. I tapped on the word to correct it and the software said "No Replacements Found".
Could it be because spell check are two words and not one?
smartphone purchases are financed with two year contracts, so that is their economic lifecycle. as a practical matter you pay $x a month plus $50-$200 or more downpayment every two years to get an updated model. sometimes you can sell your old phone to recover some of that downpayment too - there is a real market for used 3G iPhones today, even trade-ins. but for old Android phones?
so if the 3GS had problems with iOS 4, yes that would be a fragmentation issue because the 3GS is still in its initial lifecycle and you're still paying for buying it. but the 3G and 2G are past that point for most people. my old 2G is now my iPod (with wifi!) and remote control, and it still does a very good job of that for me - i'll never need to buy another iPod, just will recycle old iPhones.
And this applies to countries where there are 3-year contracts how?
I'm much happier now.
Yes benchmarks have show iOS 4 slows down the 3GS, but remember that the 3G will not get multitasking. You will probably get a slight performance drop, but I doubt Apple would even release it if it was anything notable.
it is noticeable, my 3G feels sluggish at times but what it is worse, a couple of fav games (iMafia, Racers) now crash out regularly, perhaps because they're graphic intensive. They have become unplayable since upgrading. Lovely upgrade no doubt, but I wouldn't recommend on the 3G unless experimenting it, in anticipation of the new phone. I'm expecting delivery of my iPhone 4 by 5th July, it can't come soon enough
I'm the jerk who always upgrades everything the second it's available. Never again.
I'm also in that club although I don't think it's exclusive.
Many thanks for the feedback.
I can only assume Apple want to force us owners of antique 3Gs to upgrade by making our phones unusably sluggish.
Aside from pinch to zoom iOS4 is all negatives for 3G owners as far as I'm concerned. We get virtually no new features of any note and get a lot less performance.
Springboard also feels smoother and I haven't noticed slowdown anywhere.
However, after upgrading, I strongly recommend a full power off and restart. I noticed I had a weird process running (name was just a random string) and it appeared to be killing the CPU as the phone was very slow and getting hot. After the restart it wasn't there and the phone was back to normal.
Have noticed that the max amount of available memory is much reduced on iOS4. Before, a "free memory" request would result in at least 30-40Mb free. Now I never see more than 15Mb free at any one time.
iOS4 on 3G is worth it for me for:
- Folders
- Combined Inbox
- iBooks
Standard Apple's search on Internet is much better, than that via Google's app.
Some icons and miniatures are surprisingly more detailed and looking better, than they were before.
Notification badges are fixed for some third-party applications and are really working now.
Anyway, 3G is counting down its last days as a phone.
Otherwise the phones runs fine.
iOS 4 is working great on my iPad......the 2 year old products can run it but not the 2 month old ones....nice move Apple. Nice move.
Troll much?!? As you well know, this update is coming later this year to the iPad.
1 x 32GB 3GS - works fine
1 x 16GB 3GS - works fine
1 x 16GB 3G - works fine. A slow as it ever was after 3.0 came out
Bosh, total and utter bosh. All iPhones and iPod touches can multi-task. That's how they can play iTunes music while using other apps or why users can talk on the phone and browse the web at the same time. Enough RAM isn't the issue and never has been.
Apple could have easily added multi-tasking, at least at the level or allowing 1-2 apps to run in the background. That feature for Apple apps been there from day one.They chose to not do so because they're greedy. They want to force us to upgrade. Please quit shilling for them or blaming their engineers.
Crippling products to force users to upgrade. Day by day, Apple is getting more and more like Microsoft.
Read Trumptman's posts to understand why you're full of shit.