Wow, hope you feel better after getting that off your chest. You took it back, I am sure that statement would have done. Thanks for posting.
A well reasoned case, presented well,l is like a breath of fresh air-- in a supercharged frenzy of claims, counter-claims, name calling, accusations, "STFU"s, etc.
I asked Bagman (below), particularly, to post because I was familiar with his situation and demeanor from discussions on prior threads.
Bagman's issue was not really addressed or resolved, by the press conference. I was interested what he would do going forward.
One of the reasons I keep coming back to AI, is that I can often learn something (once you get through the FUD/crud).
Bagman has a somewhat unique situation: positive Apple customer; AAPL investor; early adapter of the iP4; multiple, failed attempts to make the device work for him; already returned the device for a complete refund; waiting for Apple to act to determine if he would repurchase an iP4.
As an Apple Fan, and AAPL shareholder I am very interested in people like Bagman-- it serves my self-interest, and I can learn from them (if by example, only).
I thought he would (and he did) contribute some badly-needed sober perspective to this thread.
If that upsets some, I am sorry!
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Originally Posted by Bagman
Spin control - Jobs is good at it. He said nothing that anyone hadn't already known, except to deny any prior knowledge of the problem, and promised nothing other than they were going to continue working to make the antenna issue less of an issue - and you get a free case (sorry, we can't take a hit on our bumper gross margins), so you get a nifty 50 cent case for your trouble.
They are obviously working on version 2 of the iP4, and I will wait until there is a hint of when it will arrive, because I got tired of dropping downloads all the time, which didn't happen in my 3G - ever. Yes, you infantile posters may label me a whiner, but I haven't had that argument since I was in 6th grade, so save your breath. I own a large amount of Apple stock, so it does me no good to continue to look on Jobs with a bit of skepticism, but he is, after all, a master, and you have to tip your cap to him, even if you can read between the lines just fine.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Mmm... yours is one of the opinions that I am really interested in. By your prior discussion, here, you have gone the extra mile (and then some). Today, Apple didn't resolve, or even address your problem. You have gone through the replacement route at least 2 times (that you have posted here). You have, ultimately, returned your iPhone 4 and received credit for restocking fees, ETFs, and even an AppleCare purchase from AT&T.
I see how that works, still a LOT of dropped calls! A shit load of dropped calls.
Let's drive this asinine mentality to it's logical and absurd conclusion with AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile presenting numbers for all Smart phones and their dropped call rates.
You're not going to like what they present. Count on it.
Will you stop using your Android when the crap is all over the fan? I doubt it.
The US Carrier Industry does not want to show its hand.
Everyone will ultimately forget their complaining about Apple is what forced Apple to reveal facts from fiction; and they won't be around to thank Apple for busting a lot of myths.
Carriers will be pissed and explain the lack of seamless 3G coverage, rightfully, on the lack of right-of-ways through densely populated regions and the years of red tape it takes to get a license, etc.
Ultimately, people will then turn to their municipality council members on how come they can't be bombarded with RF waves everywhere which will lead to scientists discussing more topics over the average citizen's level of comprehension resulting in a cluster**** of confusion and finally, IT'S ALL APPLE'S FAULT, because we were all safely ignorant before the new Antenna design.
No, you're making up that they all support your position, and that most "independent experts" support your position. You know you haven't compiled data to support that assertion, and we know you haven't compiled data to support that assertion. We also know you aren't engaged in honest discussion here.
Never said all. I said most. Do you have proof otherwise ? Because most of the expert tests I found show Apple's issue is worse then other phones. I guess if most of the expert comparisons prove your side, they must be hiding.
And, again, your opinion is based on nothing but the fact that you don't like the idea that people will realize that the uproar around the iP4 is much ado about nothing.
I realize *you* think this issue is much ado about nothing. But obviously many other people think otherwise. To each their own.
As said earlier the people who cannot live with this limitation have returned their phones.
Not necessarily. I bet many people that couldn't live with this limitation was just waiting their 30 day trial period out, to see if Apple would come up with a fix. Reporting the return rate as of earlier this week is premature. Let's see the return rates after a couple more weeks. After these people digest the free bumper solution, and when the 30 day trial comes closer to the end. That would give a more accurate account.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
These lesser trolls have no concept of logical thinking.
The true trolls have to resort to name calling and facts spinning, since their irrational logic doesn't hold water.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
He never said that everyone experiencing the issue called AppleCare. He said that the figure was a fair representation - that is, that the frequency is small. The low number of returns relative to the 3GS is confirmation.
Now, if you have evidence to back your claim that the figures are inaccurate, feel free to present it. Your incessant whining is not evidence.
I don't have to have evidence proving otherwise. Misleading data in = misleading conclusions out.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Actually, you did. You said that Apple's numbers were wrong. They only way you'd know that is if you had better numbers. So why in the world would any rational person believe that you have better numbers than Apple?
You have irrational logic. No wonder you are so confused. So are you saying if you have valid reasons to knock down evidence for one side, then you must have evidence proving the other side ? Otherwise, it's ok to use the flawed misleading evidence. I hope you never sit on a jury.
I know I'm late to the party and everything, but let me clear up some facts:
All phones DO have this problem.
This problem only shows in low signal areas. Also true for iPhone 4!
Some phones have antennas placed on top, so you won't cover it that often. This is not recommended anymore, because of radiation to the head.
iPhone 4 shows this as much as it does because the antenna is closer to your hand, and you get better reception to begin with. This makes it more sensitive to interference, and you get greater effects.
Making bumpers a permanent part of the design beforehand would have been a better solution, but giving them out for free is acceptable. Remember the following: It is not possible to both have the current design and get low interference. Something needs to be done. A recall would just be stupid as the only fix at the moment would be to permanently attach a bumper. Giving free bumpers makes it optional for those who don't experience problems.
This was a good solution. Apple isn't stupid. Get over it.
A well reasoned case, presented well,l is like a breath of fresh air-- in a supercharged frenzy of claims, counter-claims, name calling, accusations, "STFU"s, etc.
I asked Bagman (below), particularly, to post because I was familiar with his situation and demeanor from discussions on prior threads.
Bagman's issue was not really addressed or resolved, by the press conference. I was interested what he would do going forward.
One of the reasons I keep coming back to AI, is that I can often learn something (once you get through the FUD/crud).
Bagman has a somewhat unique situation: positive Apple customer; AAPL investor; early adapter of the iP4; multiple, failed attempts to make the device work for him; already returned the device for a complete refund; waiting for Apple to act to determine if he would repurchase an iP4.
As an Apple Fan, and AAPL shareholder I am very interested in people like Bagman-- it serves my self-interest, and I can learn from them (if by example, only).
I thought he would (and he did) contribute some badly-needed sober perspective to this thread.
If that upsets some, I am sorry!
Thanks for the kind words and understanding. While I certainly didn't want to be giving investment advice, it was merely to highlight any confilict of interest, for those who may think me a troll. I've been investing since 1958, and I don't need anyone to tell me that I am not diversified - this is the first time in my life I have been so concentrated, but, I have more faith in Apple than in any other tech company at the moment, and not even a tech ETF gives me as much confidence. I may hedge a bit going into earnings season, but may just ride it out, since what company on the planet has better prospects?
Anyhow, I really enjoyed your story going back to 1978. At roughly the same time, I was using an Apple II in the lab at Berkeley, doing contact lens research, and teaching at California Pacific Medical center, as well as teaching at Berkeley - my professor there was a big PC fan, had the first pc (a ganged two-module device, whose name escapes me - could it have been a Franklin?). He also later had a PET and upgraded Apple products, but seemed like a kid at Christmas when he showed me how the Apple II could actually help him print a graph for publication (very tediously however). He was an inspiration to me to get involved in building my own PC's (which have always been MS products - which were the only ones you could build yourself in those days).
Anyhow, as I posted on another board the other day: I would love to have been a fly on the wall at Apple during these heady days, and certainly look forward to reading Steve's bio, which I'm hoping he is planning now, with a ghost writer taggin along beside him to keep him from being distracted. I could care less about reading about other so-called tech titans, like Bill Gates (a clever and fortunate opportunist, in my mind), or Larry Ellison (who is just a modern day Ghengis Khan). The early brilliant tech minds most interest me, like the early scientists who dreamed and implemented the seemingly impossible - the Einsteins, Oppenheimers, etc. Anyhow, Steve Jobs is a true illuminary and product design genius, as well as having a sense of the proper balance between engineering and marketability. His life would make interesting reading, and a fascinating movie someday.
Are you still in the biz, since I note that you reside somewhere in the east bay?
No, it's a case of taking a single quote of out context. The *overall message* he was delivering was that it is an industry-wide problem, and tests with other high quality phones, and helpdesk statistics, and call-drop statistics prove the iPhone 4 is just like any other phone.
Nonsense... 'Spin' It Any Way That Makes You Feel Better, But It Is What It Is -!
“We do this because we love our users, and if we screw up, we pick ourselves up and we try harder,” - Steve Jobs said...
Thanks for the kind words and understanding. While I certainly didn't want to be giving investment advice, it was merely to highlight any confilict of interest, for those who may think me a troll. I've been investing since 1958, and I don't need anyone to tell me that I am not diversified - this is the first time in my life I have been so concentrated, but, I have more faith in Apple than in any other tech company at the moment, and not even a tech ETF gives me as much confidence. I may hedge a bit going into earnings season, but may just ride it out, since what company on the planet has better prospects?
Anyhow, I really enjoyed your story going back to 1978. At roughly the same time, I was using an Apple II in the lab at Berkeley, doing contact lens research, and teaching at California Pacific Medical center, as well as teaching at Berkeley - my professor there was a big PC fan, had the first pc (a ganged two-module device, whose name escapes me - could it have been a Franklin?). He also later had a PET and upgraded Apple products, but seemed like a kid at Christmas when he showed me how the Apple II could actually help him print a graph for publication (very tediously however). He was an inspiration to me to get involved in building my own PC's (which have always been MS products - which were the only ones you could build yourself in those days).
Anyhow, as I posted on another board the other day: I would love to have been a fly on the wall at Apple during these heady days, and certainly look forward to reading Steve's bio, which I'm hoping he is planning now, with a ghost writer taggin along beside him to keep him from being distracted. I could care less about reading about other so-called tech titans, like Bill Gates (a clever and fortunate opportunist, in my mind), or Larry Ellison (who is just a modern day Ghengis Khan). The early brilliant tech minds most interest me, like the early scientists who dreamed and implemented the seemingly impossible - the Einsteins, Oppenheimers, etc. Anyhow, Steve Jobs is a true illuminary and product design genius, as well as having a sense of the proper balance between engineering and marketability. His life would make interesting reading, and a fascinating movie someday.
Are you still in the biz, since I note that you reside somewhere in the east bay?
Fun days!
My first encounter with Steve Jobs: Early 1979, I was giving a demo of something on the Apple ][ (there wasn't a lot in those days). I had an audience of about 15 people standing behind me, watching and asking questions. It was going pretty well... then this voice came from the back of the crowd saying: "You're doing it wrong!"* Steve came up front, took over and gave the best damn Apple ][ demo I ever saw. Steve gives good demo and can really sell! That's saying a lot, because Woz frequented our store and often would give demos, too.
* does that have a familiar ring?
No I am not still in the business. Lucy and I sold our interests in the computer Stores in 1989-- after 11 roller coaster years. We suffered total burnout. Our house was about 5.5 miles from our main store and headquarters.
Unfortunately, there was this sprawling complex growing between the two locations-- Apple headquarters.
When we opened the first store it took about 10 minutes to make the trip, during rush hour. When we sold out, it took 45+ minutes, any time between 5:00 AM and 7:00 PM.
We were 48 (Lucy) and 50 (me) so we retired, returned to Tucson, and played for 10 years-- didn't touch a computer again, until 1997. We totally missed that Internet thingy!
Lucy, the love of my life, died suddenly in 2001 at age 59. I moved back to the Bay area to be near my daughter and her 3 children.
I do some iOS development-- mostly for my own amazement and for friends... just to keep my hand in the game. Hopefully, I'll release a free app, through the app store, later this month (if I can ever get off these forums).
Never said all. I said most. Do you have proof otherwise ? Because most of the expert tests I found show Apple's issue is worse then other phones. I guess if most of the expert comparisons prove your side, they must be hiding.
I love that you make assertions that you are unwilling to provide evidence to support, but tell us that we have to prove they are false.
I realize *you* think this issue is much ado about nothing. But obviously many other people think otherwise. To each their own.
Many? How many? You're constantly insisting that it's multitudes of people who are having horrible iP4 experiences. How about you provide some data to back that up or admit that you have no idea and are just making stuff up. No? I didn't think so.
Many people are aware of this issue. Many of these same people know Apple is aware of the issue. .
They should just return it for a full refund if they are unhappy. Pretty much everybody is happy with the iP4, but for the few who are unhappy, Apple is bending over backwards in order to please them.
The main reasons I think the average user doesn't need field test mode on the phone are the same as before so I'll just restate them in a slightly different way:
- It's a scale of negative numbers and the average American hasn't finished high school.
- It's something a Linux user might want, but not a Mac or Windows user
The other reason is because it is Apple's information, and the end user should not be allowed to mine it. Why should Apple make it any easier to hack into the phone or ATT's system?
I didn't know that the average American has not finished High School. Apple needs to keep the iPhone as simple as possible, so that they can continue to sell to the "average Joe". More simple icons, less instructions, stuff like that.
Actually, you did. You said that Apple's numbers were wrong. They only way you'd know that is if you had better numbers. So why in the world would any rational person believe that you have better numbers than Apple?
He's like the guy looking over your shoulder and trying to tell you your ruler has its end worn down. But does he have better measurements? NO. So he has no way to know yours are wrong.
Many? How many? You're constantly insisting that it's multitudes of people who are having horrible iP4 experiences. How about you provide some data to back that up or admit that you have no idea and are just making stuff up. No? I didn't think so.
Lol. So now you want to play semantics of words. What should I have said ? Couple, few, handful, some, many ? LOL Whatever. I think "many" is very appropriate. I didn't know a certain threshold had to be met to use the word "many".
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99% of billions of successful calls per day. That's a lot of successful calls!
(See how that works?)
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I see how that works, still a LOT of dropped calls! A shit load of dropped calls.
Wow, hope you feel better after getting that off your chest. You took it back, I am sure that statement would have done. Thanks for posting.
A well reasoned case, presented well,l is like a breath of fresh air-- in a supercharged frenzy of claims, counter-claims, name calling, accusations, "STFU"s, etc.
I asked Bagman (below), particularly, to post because I was familiar with his situation and demeanor from discussions on prior threads.
Bagman's issue was not really addressed or resolved, by the press conference. I was interested what he would do going forward.
One of the reasons I keep coming back to AI, is that I can often learn something (once you get through the FUD/crud).
Bagman has a somewhat unique situation: positive Apple customer; AAPL investor; early adapter of the iP4; multiple, failed attempts to make the device work for him; already returned the device for a complete refund; waiting for Apple to act to determine if he would repurchase an iP4.
As an Apple Fan, and AAPL shareholder I am very interested in people like Bagman-- it serves my self-interest, and I can learn from them (if by example, only).
I thought he would (and he did) contribute some badly-needed sober perspective to this thread.
If that upsets some, I am sorry!
Spin control - Jobs is good at it. He said nothing that anyone hadn't already known, except to deny any prior knowledge of the problem, and promised nothing other than they were going to continue working to make the antenna issue less of an issue - and you get a free case (sorry, we can't take a hit on our bumper gross margins), so you get a nifty 50 cent case for your trouble.
They are obviously working on version 2 of the iP4, and I will wait until there is a hint of when it will arrive, because I got tired of dropping downloads all the time, which didn't happen in my 3G - ever. Yes, you infantile posters may label me a whiner, but I haven't had that argument since I was in 6th grade, so save your breath. I own a large amount of Apple stock, so it does me no good to continue to look on Jobs with a bit of skepticism, but he is, after all, a master, and you have to tip your cap to him, even if you can read between the lines just fine.
Mmm... yours is one of the opinions that I am really interested in. By your prior discussion, here, you have gone the extra mile (and then some). Today, Apple didn't resolve, or even address your problem. You have gone through the replacement route at least 2 times (that you have posted here). You have, ultimately, returned your iPhone 4 and received credit for restocking fees, ETFs, and even an AppleCare purchase from AT&T.
What do you plan to do now?
I see how that works, still a LOT of dropped calls! A shit load of dropped calls.
Let's drive this asinine mentality to it's logical and absurd conclusion with AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile presenting numbers for all Smart phones and their dropped call rates.
You're not going to like what they present. Count on it.
Will you stop using your Android when the crap is all over the fan? I doubt it.
The US Carrier Industry does not want to show its hand.
Everyone will ultimately forget their complaining about Apple is what forced Apple to reveal facts from fiction; and they won't be around to thank Apple for busting a lot of myths.
Carriers will be pissed and explain the lack of seamless 3G coverage, rightfully, on the lack of right-of-ways through densely populated regions and the years of red tape it takes to get a license, etc.
Ultimately, people will then turn to their municipality council members on how come they can't be bombarded with RF waves everywhere which will lead to scientists discussing more topics over the average citizen's level of comprehension resulting in a cluster**** of confusion and finally, IT'S ALL APPLE'S FAULT, because we were all safely ignorant before the new Antenna design.
No, you're making up that they all support your position, and that most "independent experts" support your position. You know you haven't compiled data to support that assertion, and we know you haven't compiled data to support that assertion. We also know you aren't engaged in honest discussion here.
Never said all. I said most. Do you have proof otherwise ? Because most of the expert tests I found show Apple's issue is worse then other phones. I guess if most of the expert comparisons prove your side, they must be hiding.
And, again, your opinion is based on nothing but the fact that you don't like the idea that people will realize that the uproar around the iP4 is much ado about nothing.
I realize *you* think this issue is much ado about nothing. But obviously many other people think otherwise. To each their own.
As said earlier the people who cannot live with this limitation have returned their phones.
Not necessarily. I bet many people that couldn't live with this limitation was just waiting their 30 day trial period out, to see if Apple would come up with a fix. Reporting the return rate as of earlier this week is premature. Let's see the return rates after a couple more weeks. After these people digest the free bumper solution, and when the 30 day trial comes closer to the end. That would give a more accurate account.
These lesser trolls have no concept of logical thinking.
The true trolls have to resort to name calling and facts spinning, since their irrational logic doesn't hold water.
He never said that everyone experiencing the issue called AppleCare. He said that the figure was a fair representation - that is, that the frequency is small. The low number of returns relative to the 3GS is confirmation.
Now, if you have evidence to back your claim that the figures are inaccurate, feel free to present it. Your incessant whining is not evidence.
I don't have to have evidence proving otherwise. Misleading data in = misleading conclusions out.
Actually, you did. You said that Apple's numbers were wrong. They only way you'd know that is if you had better numbers. So why in the world would any rational person believe that you have better numbers than Apple?
You have irrational logic. No wonder you are so confused. So are you saying if you have valid reasons to knock down evidence for one side, then you must have evidence proving the other side ? Otherwise, it's ok to use the flawed misleading evidence. I hope you never sit on a jury.
- All phones DO have this problem.
- This problem only shows in low signal areas. Also true for iPhone 4!
- Some phones have antennas placed on top, so you won't cover it that often. This is not recommended anymore, because of radiation to the head.
- iPhone 4 shows this as much as it does because the antenna is closer to your hand, and you get better reception to begin with. This makes it more sensitive to interference, and you get greater effects.
Making bumpers a permanent part of the design beforehand would have been a better solution, but giving them out for free is acceptable. Remember the following: It is not possible to both have the current design and get low interference. Something needs to be done. A recall would just be stupid as the only fix at the moment would be to permanently attach a bumper. Giving free bumpers makes it optional for those who don't experience problems.This was a good solution. Apple isn't stupid. Get over it.
A well reasoned case, presented well,l is like a breath of fresh air-- in a supercharged frenzy of claims, counter-claims, name calling, accusations, "STFU"s, etc.
I asked Bagman (below), particularly, to post because I was familiar with his situation and demeanor from discussions on prior threads.
Bagman's issue was not really addressed or resolved, by the press conference. I was interested what he would do going forward.
One of the reasons I keep coming back to AI, is that I can often learn something (once you get through the FUD/crud).
Bagman has a somewhat unique situation: positive Apple customer; AAPL investor; early adapter of the iP4; multiple, failed attempts to make the device work for him; already returned the device for a complete refund; waiting for Apple to act to determine if he would repurchase an iP4.
As an Apple Fan, and AAPL shareholder I am very interested in people like Bagman-- it serves my self-interest, and I can learn from them (if by example, only).
I thought he would (and he did) contribute some badly-needed sober perspective to this thread.
If that upsets some, I am sorry!
Thanks for the kind words and understanding. While I certainly didn't want to be giving investment advice, it was merely to highlight any confilict of interest, for those who may think me a troll. I've been investing since 1958, and I don't need anyone to tell me that I am not diversified - this is the first time in my life I have been so concentrated, but, I have more faith in Apple than in any other tech company at the moment, and not even a tech ETF gives me as much confidence. I may hedge a bit going into earnings season, but may just ride it out, since what company on the planet has better prospects?
Anyhow, I really enjoyed your story going back to 1978. At roughly the same time, I was using an Apple II in the lab at Berkeley, doing contact lens research, and teaching at California Pacific Medical center, as well as teaching at Berkeley - my professor there was a big PC fan, had the first pc (a ganged two-module device, whose name escapes me - could it have been a Franklin?). He also later had a PET and upgraded Apple products, but seemed like a kid at Christmas when he showed me how the Apple II could actually help him print a graph for publication (very tediously however). He was an inspiration to me to get involved in building my own PC's (which have always been MS products - which were the only ones you could build yourself in those days).
Anyhow, as I posted on another board the other day: I would love to have been a fly on the wall at Apple during these heady days, and certainly look forward to reading Steve's bio, which I'm hoping he is planning now, with a ghost writer taggin along beside him to keep him from being distracted. I could care less about reading about other so-called tech titans, like Bill Gates (a clever and fortunate opportunist, in my mind), or Larry Ellison (who is just a modern day Ghengis Khan). The early brilliant tech minds most interest me, like the early scientists who dreamed and implemented the seemingly impossible - the Einsteins, Oppenheimers, etc. Anyhow, Steve Jobs is a true illuminary and product design genius, as well as having a sense of the proper balance between engineering and marketability. His life would make interesting reading, and a fascinating movie someday.
Are you still in the biz, since I note that you reside somewhere in the east bay?
No, it's a case of taking a single quote of out context. The *overall message* he was delivering was that it is an industry-wide problem, and tests with other high quality phones, and helpdesk statistics, and call-drop statistics prove the iPhone 4 is just like any other phone.
Nonsense... 'Spin' It Any Way That Makes You Feel Better, But It Is What It Is -!
“We do this because we love our users, and if we screw up, we pick ourselves up and we try harder,” - Steve Jobs said...
Thanks for the kind words and understanding. While I certainly didn't want to be giving investment advice, it was merely to highlight any confilict of interest, for those who may think me a troll. I've been investing since 1958, and I don't need anyone to tell me that I am not diversified - this is the first time in my life I have been so concentrated, but, I have more faith in Apple than in any other tech company at the moment, and not even a tech ETF gives me as much confidence. I may hedge a bit going into earnings season, but may just ride it out, since what company on the planet has better prospects?
Anyhow, I really enjoyed your story going back to 1978. At roughly the same time, I was using an Apple II in the lab at Berkeley, doing contact lens research, and teaching at California Pacific Medical center, as well as teaching at Berkeley - my professor there was a big PC fan, had the first pc (a ganged two-module device, whose name escapes me - could it have been a Franklin?). He also later had a PET and upgraded Apple products, but seemed like a kid at Christmas when he showed me how the Apple II could actually help him print a graph for publication (very tediously however). He was an inspiration to me to get involved in building my own PC's (which have always been MS products - which were the only ones you could build yourself in those days).
Anyhow, as I posted on another board the other day: I would love to have been a fly on the wall at Apple during these heady days, and certainly look forward to reading Steve's bio, which I'm hoping he is planning now, with a ghost writer taggin along beside him to keep him from being distracted. I could care less about reading about other so-called tech titans, like Bill Gates (a clever and fortunate opportunist, in my mind), or Larry Ellison (who is just a modern day Ghengis Khan). The early brilliant tech minds most interest me, like the early scientists who dreamed and implemented the seemingly impossible - the Einsteins, Oppenheimers, etc. Anyhow, Steve Jobs is a true illuminary and product design genius, as well as having a sense of the proper balance between engineering and marketability. His life would make interesting reading, and a fascinating movie someday.
Are you still in the biz, since I note that you reside somewhere in the east bay?
Fun days!
My first encounter with Steve Jobs: Early 1979, I was giving a demo of something on the Apple ][ (there wasn't a lot in those days). I had an audience of about 15 people standing behind me, watching and asking questions. It was going pretty well... then this voice came from the back of the crowd saying: "You're doing it wrong!"* Steve came up front, took over and gave the best damn Apple ][ demo I ever saw. Steve gives good demo and can really sell! That's saying a lot, because Woz frequented our store and often would give demos, too.
* does that have a familiar ring?
No I am not still in the business. Lucy and I sold our interests in the computer Stores in 1989-- after 11 roller coaster years. We suffered total burnout. Our house was about 5.5 miles from our main store and headquarters.
Unfortunately, there was this sprawling complex growing between the two locations-- Apple headquarters.
When we opened the first store it took about 10 minutes to make the trip, during rush hour. When we sold out, it took 45+ minutes, any time between 5:00 AM and 7:00 PM.
We were 48 (Lucy) and 50 (me) so we retired, returned to Tucson, and played for 10 years-- didn't touch a computer again, until 1997. We totally missed that Internet thingy!
Lucy, the love of my life, died suddenly in 2001 at age 59. I moved back to the Bay area to be near my daughter and her 3 children.
I do some iOS development-- mostly for my own amazement and for friends... just to keep my hand in the game. Hopefully, I'll release a free app, through the app store, later this month (if I can ever get off these forums).
Thanks for asking!
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I realize *you* think this issue is much ado about nothing. But obviously many other people think otherwise. To each their own.
1.77% return rate
0.55% Apple Care complaints
This is a NON-ISSUE for 99% of iPhone 4 owners
1.77% return rate
0.55% Apple Care complaints
This is a NON-ISSUE for 99% of iPhone 4 owners
Well, shit, oh dear! Where's the fun in that?
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1.77% return rate
0.55% Apple Care complaints
This is a NON-ISSUE for 99% of iPhone 4 owners
Yea, I guess you are right. Those numbers accurately reflect all the people affected by this flaw. Sorry.
Never said all. I said most. Do you have proof otherwise ? Because most of the expert tests I found show Apple's issue is worse then other phones. I guess if most of the expert comparisons prove your side, they must be hiding.
I love that you make assertions that you are unwilling to provide evidence to support, but tell us that we have to prove they are false.
I realize *you* think this issue is much ado about nothing. But obviously many other people think otherwise. To each their own.
Many? How many? You're constantly insisting that it's multitudes of people who are having horrible iP4 experiences. How about you provide some data to back that up or admit that you have no idea and are just making stuff up. No? I didn't think so.
Many people are aware of this issue. Many of these same people know Apple is aware of the issue. .
They should just return it for a full refund if they are unhappy. Pretty much everybody is happy with the iP4, but for the few who are unhappy, Apple is bending over backwards in order to please them.
The main reasons I think the average user doesn't need field test mode on the phone are the same as before so I'll just restate them in a slightly different way:
- It's a scale of negative numbers and the average American hasn't finished high school.
- It's something a Linux user might want, but not a Mac or Windows user
The other reason is because it is Apple's information, and the end user should not be allowed to mine it. Why should Apple make it any easier to hack into the phone or ATT's system?
I didn't know that the average American has not finished High School. Apple needs to keep the iPhone as simple as possible, so that they can continue to sell to the "average Joe". More simple icons, less instructions, stuff like that.
Something like FTM needs to show signal strength, interference, switching speed 3g to edge and a host of other things
The average Joe has no need for any of that, and the information doesn't belong to him - it is Apple's.
I'm glad that Apple finally got rid of FTM. It was just asking for abuse.
Actually, you did. You said that Apple's numbers were wrong. They only way you'd know that is if you had better numbers. So why in the world would any rational person believe that you have better numbers than Apple?
He's like the guy looking over your shoulder and trying to tell you your ruler has its end worn down. But does he have better measurements? NO. So he has no way to know yours are wrong.
Many? How many? You're constantly insisting that it's multitudes of people who are having horrible iP4 experiences. How about you provide some data to back that up or admit that you have no idea and are just making stuff up. No? I didn't think so.
Lol. So now you want to play semantics of words. What should I have said ? Couple, few, handful, some, many ? LOL Whatever. I think "many" is very appropriate. I didn't know a certain threshold had to be met to use the word "many".