And, as I said, you are comparing Apples to oranges. I bet Apple won't be updating their return rates after the 30-day trial period is over.
Did I miss it? Is today backwards day?
Apple says that the iPhone 4 has 1.7% return rate vs 6% return rate FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD. How is that apples and oranges?
Now, if they had done what you accused them of (comparing the first 20 days of iPhone 4 returns to the entire lifetime of 3GS returns), THAT would have been apples and oranges. But they didn't do that.
BTW, I'd love to have you show some reputable data for the number of returns for other phones for comparison.
(this one is funny because even with widespread evidence that the phone was being returned en masse, Verizon claimed that it was one of their better phones)
So let's see your numbers for average return rates for other phones before you continue your silly whining about the iPhone's 1.7% figure.
LOL! I never said Apple was comparing the first 20 days of the iPhone 4 to the entire life-cycle of the 3GS. Why do you have such a hard time making a post without twisting facts and adding fud ? You are so comical. You are such an easy person to debate because you can almost never make a post without twisting facts and adding fud. All of your fud is easily shot down. Anyway, as I said earlier, let's see if Apple reports the return rates after the key date of July 24. That will be the true test of the return rates because of the antenna issue. All of your fud rambling is premature numbers.
LOL! I never said Apple was comparing the first 20 days of the iPhone 4 to the entire life-cycle of the 3GS. Why do you have such a hard time making a post without twisting facts and adding fud ? You are so comical. You are such an easy person to debate because you can almost never make a post without twisting facts and adding fud. All of your fud is easily shot down. Anyway, as I said earlier, let's see if Apple reports the return rates after the key date of July 24. That will be the true test of the return rates because of the antenna issue. All of your fud rambling is premature numbers.
Your statement was:
"Reporting return rates before the product has even been out 30 days is a little premature. Like I said earlier, I imagine there are people that were waiting for Apple's response before returning it. They have a 30 day trial. Besides the reception flaw, it's great phone. In my eyes, the return rate is only relevant after the 30 day mark. I bet Apple won't report an updated return rate later."
That implies that you think that the amount of elapsed time was accounting for the low return rates.
If your logic were true, why is it that 6% if 3GS phones were returned in the same amount of time?
IOW, your only approach is to make things up, sling them at the wall, and hope something sticks. Preferably mutually contradictory things.
"Reporting return rates before the product has even been out 30 days is a little premature. Like I said earlier, I imagine there are people that were waiting for Apple's response before returning it. They have a 30 day trial. Besides the reception flaw, it's great phone. In my eyes, the return rate is only relevant after the 30 day mark. I bet Apple won't report an updated return rate later."
That implies that you think that the amount of elapsed time was accounting for the low return rates.
If your logic were true, why is it that 6% if 3GS phones were returned in the same amount of time?
IOW, your only approach is to make things up, sling them at the wall, and hope something sticks. Preferably mutually contradictory things.
Ahh,, another fud post. Why am I not surprised. LOL. Why do you have such a hard time understanding such a simple concept ? That reality distortion field sure does got a lock on you. Did you not read my previous posts ? I said there are people that were waiting for Apple's response/fix before they would decide to return the phone. They have a 30 day trial you know. So the true test of the return rate of the antenna issue would be after Apple's response last Friday and July 24. Anything else you are adding and poorly attempting to compare is pure fud, as usual.
Apple is playing this all wrong but I'm not surprised. This is not a position the company is used to being in.
What Apple should have done is come out on Friday and rather than being so defensive stuck to the issue at hand, namely the signal reduction when a phone is held a certain way.
Rather than demonstrate a similar drop in other phones, naming names in the process, Apple should have simply in passing noted that signal drop was not uncommon among smartphones. No video demos, no specifics, just a simple comment. If pressed by the media during the Q and A, Jobs could have elaborated, still not throwing out names of other brands, unless pressured to do so by the media, of course. That way, it would have come across as something Jobs was doing reluctantly, not making it part of his pre-Q-and-A prepared presentation.
Apple should have been more apologetic and taken the position that they were offering customers, free of charge, a solution that would do the trick in the short run, while continuing to work on a more permanent resolution. If using a case with the iPhone, something most customers would sooner or later end up doing anyway at their own expense, results in a problem-free product, as problems go, this one would have to be characterized as rather minor.
Damage control should have resulted in an apologetic Apple expressing their disappointment that a problem had presented itself and by coming up with a timely fix for the problem, first the case and later whatever they can come up with, demonstrated that they stand behind their products.
Jobs simply struck the wrong tone and I think part of the problem is that Jobs just doesn't do apologetic. It's not in his DNA.
Apple is doing the right thing in offering the cases for free. This is a reasonable response to the problem being as it does do the trick and for the vast majority of customers it works just fine. But the presser on Friday was awkwardly managed.
And one more thing. Not including the Q and A in the video Apple posted, considering it was mentioned in the course of the video, bad move.
Whoever is calling the shots at Apple in this regard are either offering up bad advice or they are being overruled by an egomaniacal Jobs who just doesn't get it.
What Apple should have done is come out on Friday and rather than being so defensive stuck to the issue at hand, namely the signal reduction when a phone is held a certain way.
Rather than demonstrate a similar drop in other phones, naming names in the process, Apple should have simply in passing noted that signal drop was not uncommon among smartphones. No video demos, no specifics, just a simple comment. If pressed by the media during the Q and A, Jobs could have elaborated, still not throwing out names of other brands, unless pressured to do so by the media, of course. That way, it would have come across as something Jobs was doing reluctantly, not making it part of his pre-Q-and-A prepared presentation. .
That would have been insane.
Even with photos and a description of their $100 M test lab and photos and videos of lots of other phones doing the same thing, people are still accusing Apple of lying.
If Apple had simply said "all smartphones do this" without the supporting evidence, they would have been (rightfully) crucified.
Even with photos and a description of their $100 M test lab and photos and videos of lots of other phones doing the same thing, people are still accusing Apple of lying.
If Apple had simply said "all smartphones do this" without the supporting evidence, they would have been (rightfully) crucified.
Too bad their proudly shown $100M test lab didn't help in recognizing such an obvious design flaw that should have been thoroughly tested.
Are we now giving investment advice on this thread?
Would you take investment advice from someone who:
-- posts anonymously on a thread with the alias nht (or any alias)
-- you have never met
-- you know nothing of their acumen, credentials, background, morals, ethics, etc.
-- knows nothing about your financial situation and investment goals
He'd be better off answering one of those spam investment opportunities that comes from the friend of the Minister of Goodness and Stupidity for the government of Nigeria.
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Not sure why you took rabid offense to fairly innocuous and commonly agreed upon advice.
If you feel that concentrating in only one stock is a good idea...well okay. Good luck with that strategy. No need to be a dick about it though.
Apple is playing this all wrong but I'm not surprised. This is not a position the company is used to being in.
What Apple should have done is come out on Friday and rather than being so defensive stuck to the issue at hand, namely the signal reduction when a phone is held a certain way.
Why should Apple take all the heat for an issue that's existed forever but never been noticed until the iPhone 4? It's unfair and misleading for their phone to be singled out.
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Originally Posted by Carmissimo
Rather than demonstrate a similar drop in other phones, naming names in the process, Apple should have simply in passing noted that signal drop was not uncommon among smartphones. No video demos, no specifics, just a simple comment.
They did that three weeks ago, and nobody listened. It took the video demos and a press conference to get the media to actually listen to anyone but themselves. There has been no fact-checking at all on the media's part, instead every local news station in the world has been running their own version of, "iPhone 4 doesn't make calls and everybody's furious!".
Too bad their proudly shown $100M test lab didn't help in recognizing such an obvious design flaw that should have been thoroughly tested.
it's funny how the trolls will continue to claim that it's a design flaw - no matter how much evidence is presented that ALL phones suffer from the problem.
it's funny how the trolls will continue to claim that it's a design flaw - no matter how much evidence is presented that ALL phones suffer from the problem.
They rebut then by exclaiming their Android or Blackberry does no such thing so Apple must be lying, all the while conveniently ignoring that the majority of iPhone 4 owners have been saying the same thing ? it doesn't affect them.
Too bad their proudly shown $100M test lab didn't help in recognizing such an obvious design flaw that should have been thoroughly tested.
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Originally Posted by ski1
Ahh,, another fud post. Why am I not surprised. LOL. Why do you have such a hard time understanding such a simple concept ? That reality distortion field sure does got a lock on you. Did you not read my previous posts ? I said there are people that were waiting for Apple's response/fix before they would decide to return the phone. They have a 30 day trial you know. So the true test of the return rate of the antenna issue would be after Apple's response last Friday and July 24. Anything else you are adding and poorly attempting to compare is pure fud, as usual.
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Originally Posted by ski1
I never said such a thing. My point being that an accurate return rate for the antenna issue on the iPhone 4 will not being fully realized until after July 24.
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Originally Posted by ski1
Huh ? My point being that there was X amount of people that where probably going to return the phone because of this issue, but they were waiting for Apple's response/fix. So they had nothing to lose to continue using the phone until the end of the 30 day trial. Some of these people will not be satisifed with the bumper solution and return the phone. So comparing return rates when the phone has been on the market less the 3 weeks is a bit premature. Showing a return rate AFTER the phone has been on the market more then 30 days, will be more convincing to me. And yes of course for the comparision, move the goal post for the 3GS too.
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Originally Posted by ski1
And, as I said, you are comparing Apples to oranges. I bet Apple won't be updating their return rates after the 30-day trial period is over.
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Originally Posted by ski1
Reporting return rates before the product has even been out 30 days is a little premature. Like I said earlier, I imagine there are people that were waiting for Apple's response before returning it. They have a 30 day trial. Besides the reception flaw, it's great phone. In my eyes, the return rate is only relevant after the 30 day mark. I bet Apple won't report an updated return rate later.
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Originally Posted by ski1
I think I have made many valid points. But it appears you are too affected by the Apple reality distortion field, that you can't apply simple logic. Your opinion is no better then my opinion. Btw, the very valid points I have brought up are being brought up by many people. Oops, I used a word you hate (many), sorry.
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Lol. So now you want to play semantics of words. What should I have said ? Couple, few, handful, some, many ? LOL Whatever. I think "many" is very appropriate. I didn't know a certain threshold had to be met to use the word "many".
This person has not once provided any factual linked data to support his arguments in the above discussion thread. Please show me other similar situations were the data used for returns changed dramatically after 30 days for a product deemed successful. Do some resaerch provide some credible data and then maybe I will read your comments and think you have a point. For you to say you made valid points I should believe you (that was not a question).
Your posts are the ones full of BS and spins. Anyway, this issue was first reported less then 24 hours after launch. Point being, this is an obvious flaw that quickly came to light. So why is Apple bragging about their thorough hi-tech testing, when they missed such an obvious flaw. And why is Apple patting themselves on the back with their testing, and proudly showing their labs, when they missed such an obvious flaw ? And why is Apple trying to coverup the true number of people that are experiencing this issue by throwing out statistics that do not accurately represent the true numbers ? Spin, spin, spin.
Btw, sorry you are so blinded by the spin that you believe the iPhone 4's issue is similar to other phones. Most independent experts disagree.
Here is great comment "most independent experts disagree" LINK the data to show this is the case. You really want me to believe you.
I read all your comments and you would give any headache with your posturing and non-factual opinionated comments. SHOW ME FACTS!! or at least one.
Claim to what ? Be more specific. Wherever I said that statement, it was referring to something specific.
You really have to not think when you write if you can?t even remember writing this:
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Originally Posted by ski1
Your posts are the ones full of BS and spins. Anyway, this issue was first reported less then 24 hours after launch. Point being, this is an obvious flaw that quickly came to light. So why is Apple bragging about their thorough hi-tech testing, when they missed such an obvious flaw. And why is Apple patting themselves on the back with their testing, and proudly showing their labs, when they missed such an obvious flaw ? And why is Apple trying to coverup the true number of people that are experiencing this issue by throwing out statistics that do not accurately represent the true numbers ? Spin, spin, spin.
Btw, sorry you are so blinded by the spin that you believe the iPhone 4's issue is similar to other phones. Most independent experts disagree.
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And, as I said, you are comparing Apples to oranges. I bet Apple won't be updating their return rates after the 30-day trial period is over.
Did I miss it? Is today backwards day?
Apple says that the iPhone 4 has 1.7% return rate vs 6% return rate FOR THE SAME TIME PERIOD. How is that apples and oranges?
Now, if they had done what you accused them of (comparing the first 20 days of iPhone 4 returns to the entire lifetime of 3GS returns), THAT would have been apples and oranges. But they didn't do that.
BTW, I'd love to have you show some reputable data for the number of returns for other phones for comparison.
Maybe this:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Palm-...a-117169.shtml
or
http://www.geardiary.com/2009/09/17/...0-return-rate/
or
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...top_world_news
or
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/01/07...ria-x2-launch/
or
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...m-return-rate/
(this one is funny because even with widespread evidence that the phone was being returned en masse, Verizon claimed that it was one of their better phones)
So let's see your numbers for average return rates for other phones before you continue your silly whining about the iPhone's 1.7% figure.
Or, we could look at industry average rates:
http://www.wdsglobal.com/news/whitep...ulletinNFF.pdf
(one in 7 mobile phones is returned in the first year)
or
http://www.wirelessweek.com/Articles...bile-Handsets/
(11% are returned in India vs 5.5% globally)
In any event, there is absolutely nothing supporting your claim that the iPhone 4's return rate is a problem.
LOL! I never said Apple was comparing the first 20 days of the iPhone 4 to the entire life-cycle of the 3GS. Why do you have such a hard time making a post without twisting facts and adding fud ? You are so comical. You are such an easy person to debate because you can almost never make a post without twisting facts and adding fud. All of your fud is easily shot down. Anyway, as I said earlier, let's see if Apple reports the return rates after the key date of July 24. That will be the true test of the return rates because of the antenna issue. All of your fud rambling is premature numbers.
Your statement was:
"Reporting return rates before the product has even been out 30 days is a little premature. Like I said earlier, I imagine there are people that were waiting for Apple's response before returning it. They have a 30 day trial. Besides the reception flaw, it's great phone. In my eyes, the return rate is only relevant after the 30 day mark. I bet Apple won't report an updated return rate later."
That implies that you think that the amount of elapsed time was accounting for the low return rates.
If your logic were true, why is it that 6% if 3GS phones were returned in the same amount of time?
IOW, your only approach is to make things up, sling them at the wall, and hope something sticks. Preferably mutually contradictory things.
Your statement was:
"Reporting return rates before the product has even been out 30 days is a little premature. Like I said earlier, I imagine there are people that were waiting for Apple's response before returning it. They have a 30 day trial. Besides the reception flaw, it's great phone. In my eyes, the return rate is only relevant after the 30 day mark. I bet Apple won't report an updated return rate later."
That implies that you think that the amount of elapsed time was accounting for the low return rates.
If your logic were true, why is it that 6% if 3GS phones were returned in the same amount of time?
IOW, your only approach is to make things up, sling them at the wall, and hope something sticks. Preferably mutually contradictory things.
Ahh,, another fud post. Why am I not surprised. LOL. Why do you have such a hard time understanding such a simple concept ? That reality distortion field sure does got a lock on you. Did you not read my previous posts ? I said there are people that were waiting for Apple's response/fix before they would decide to return the phone. They have a 30 day trial you know. So the true test of the return rate of the antenna issue would be after Apple's response last Friday and July 24. Anything else you are adding and poorly attempting to compare is pure fud, as usual.
What Apple should have done is come out on Friday and rather than being so defensive stuck to the issue at hand, namely the signal reduction when a phone is held a certain way.
Rather than demonstrate a similar drop in other phones, naming names in the process, Apple should have simply in passing noted that signal drop was not uncommon among smartphones. No video demos, no specifics, just a simple comment. If pressed by the media during the Q and A, Jobs could have elaborated, still not throwing out names of other brands, unless pressured to do so by the media, of course. That way, it would have come across as something Jobs was doing reluctantly, not making it part of his pre-Q-and-A prepared presentation.
Apple should have been more apologetic and taken the position that they were offering customers, free of charge, a solution that would do the trick in the short run, while continuing to work on a more permanent resolution. If using a case with the iPhone, something most customers would sooner or later end up doing anyway at their own expense, results in a problem-free product, as problems go, this one would have to be characterized as rather minor.
Damage control should have resulted in an apologetic Apple expressing their disappointment that a problem had presented itself and by coming up with a timely fix for the problem, first the case and later whatever they can come up with, demonstrated that they stand behind their products.
Jobs simply struck the wrong tone and I think part of the problem is that Jobs just doesn't do apologetic. It's not in his DNA.
Apple is doing the right thing in offering the cases for free. This is a reasonable response to the problem being as it does do the trick and for the vast majority of customers it works just fine. But the presser on Friday was awkwardly managed.
And one more thing. Not including the Q and A in the video Apple posted, considering it was mentioned in the course of the video, bad move.
Whoever is calling the shots at Apple in this regard are either offering up bad advice or they are being overruled by an egomaniacal Jobs who just doesn't get it.
What Apple should have done is come out on Friday and rather than being so defensive stuck to the issue at hand, namely the signal reduction when a phone is held a certain way.
Rather than demonstrate a similar drop in other phones, naming names in the process, Apple should have simply in passing noted that signal drop was not uncommon among smartphones. No video demos, no specifics, just a simple comment. If pressed by the media during the Q and A, Jobs could have elaborated, still not throwing out names of other brands, unless pressured to do so by the media, of course. That way, it would have come across as something Jobs was doing reluctantly, not making it part of his pre-Q-and-A prepared presentation. .
That would have been insane.
Even with photos and a description of their $100 M test lab and photos and videos of lots of other phones doing the same thing, people are still accusing Apple of lying.
If Apple had simply said "all smartphones do this" without the supporting evidence, they would have been (rightfully) crucified.
That would have been insane.
Even with photos and a description of their $100 M test lab and photos and videos of lots of other phones doing the same thing, people are still accusing Apple of lying.
If Apple had simply said "all smartphones do this" without the supporting evidence, they would have been (rightfully) crucified.
Too bad their proudly shown $100M test lab didn't help in recognizing such an obvious design flaw that should have been thoroughly tested.
Are we now giving investment advice on this thread?
Would you take investment advice from someone who:
-- posts anonymously on a thread with the alias nht (or any alias)
-- you have never met
-- you know nothing of their acumen, credentials, background, morals, ethics, etc.
-- knows nothing about your financial situation and investment goals
He'd be better off answering one of those spam investment opportunities that comes from the friend of the Minister of Goodness and Stupidity for the government of Nigeria.
.
Not sure why you took rabid offense to fairly innocuous and commonly agreed upon advice.
If you feel that concentrating in only one stock is a good idea...well okay. Good luck with that strategy. No need to be a dick about it though.
Apple is playing this all wrong but I'm not surprised. This is not a position the company is used to being in.
What Apple should have done is come out on Friday and rather than being so defensive stuck to the issue at hand, namely the signal reduction when a phone is held a certain way.
Why should Apple take all the heat for an issue that's existed forever but never been noticed until the iPhone 4? It's unfair and misleading for their phone to be singled out.
Rather than demonstrate a similar drop in other phones, naming names in the process, Apple should have simply in passing noted that signal drop was not uncommon among smartphones. No video demos, no specifics, just a simple comment.
They did that three weeks ago, and nobody listened. It took the video demos and a press conference to get the media to actually listen to anyone but themselves. There has been no fact-checking at all on the media's part, instead every local news station in the world has been running their own version of, "iPhone 4 doesn't make calls and everybody's furious!".
Too bad their proudly shown $100M test lab didn't help in recognizing such an obvious design flaw that should have been thoroughly tested.
it's funny how the trolls will continue to claim that it's a design flaw - no matter how much evidence is presented that ALL phones suffer from the problem.
it's funny how the trolls will continue to claim that it's a design flaw - no matter how much evidence is presented that ALL phones suffer from the problem.
They rebut then by exclaiming their Android or Blackberry does no such thing so Apple must be lying, all the while conveniently ignoring that the majority of iPhone 4 owners have been saying the same thing ? it doesn't affect them.
Too bad their proudly shown $100M test lab didn't help in recognizing such an obvious design flaw that should have been thoroughly tested.
Ahh,, another fud post. Why am I not surprised. LOL. Why do you have such a hard time understanding such a simple concept ? That reality distortion field sure does got a lock on you. Did you not read my previous posts ? I said there are people that were waiting for Apple's response/fix before they would decide to return the phone. They have a 30 day trial you know. So the true test of the return rate of the antenna issue would be after Apple's response last Friday and July 24. Anything else you are adding and poorly attempting to compare is pure fud, as usual.
I never said such a thing. My point being that an accurate return rate for the antenna issue on the iPhone 4 will not being fully realized until after July 24.
Huh ? My point being that there was X amount of people that where probably going to return the phone because of this issue, but they were waiting for Apple's response/fix. So they had nothing to lose to continue using the phone until the end of the 30 day trial. Some of these people will not be satisifed with the bumper solution and return the phone. So comparing return rates when the phone has been on the market less the 3 weeks is a bit premature. Showing a return rate AFTER the phone has been on the market more then 30 days, will be more convincing to me. And yes of course for the comparision, move the goal post for the 3GS too.
And, as I said, you are comparing Apples to oranges. I bet Apple won't be updating their return rates after the 30-day trial period is over.
Reporting return rates before the product has even been out 30 days is a little premature. Like I said earlier, I imagine there are people that were waiting for Apple's response before returning it. They have a 30 day trial. Besides the reception flaw, it's great phone. In my eyes, the return rate is only relevant after the 30 day mark. I bet Apple won't report an updated return rate later.
I think I have made many valid points. But it appears you are too affected by the Apple reality distortion field, that you can't apply simple logic. Your opinion is no better then my opinion. Btw, the very valid points I have brought up are being brought up by many people. Oops, I used a word you hate (many), sorry.
Lol. So now you want to play semantics of words. What should I have said ? Couple, few, handful, some, many ? LOL Whatever. I think "many" is very appropriate. I didn't know a certain threshold had to be met to use the word "many".
This person has not once provided any factual linked data to support his arguments in the above discussion thread. Please show me other similar situations were the data used for returns changed dramatically after 30 days for a product deemed successful. Do some resaerch provide some credible data and then maybe I will read your comments and think you have a point. For you to say you made valid points
Your posts are the ones full of BS and spins. Anyway, this issue was first reported less then 24 hours after launch. Point being, this is an obvious flaw that quickly came to light. So why is Apple bragging about their thorough hi-tech testing, when they missed such an obvious flaw. And why is Apple patting themselves on the back with their testing, and proudly showing their labs, when they missed such an obvious flaw ? And why is Apple trying to coverup the true number of people that are experiencing this issue by throwing out statistics that do not accurately represent the true numbers ? Spin, spin, spin.
Btw, sorry you are so blinded by the spin that you believe the iPhone 4's issue is similar to other phones. Most independent experts disagree.
Here is great comment "most independent experts disagree" LINK the data to show this is the case. You really want me to believe you.
I read all your comments and you would give any headache with your posturing and non-factual opinionated comments. SHOW ME FACTS!! or at least one.
Here is great comment "most independent experts disagree" LINK the data to show this is the case. You really want me to believe you.
I read all your comments and you would give any headache with your posturing and non-factual opinionated comments. SHOW ME FACTS!! or at least one.
Uhh, it's called applying common sense and simple logic, instead of being brainwashed by Apple's reality distortion.
Uhh, it's called apply common sense and simple logic, instead of being brainwashed by Apple's reality distortion.
so your counterargument to back up your claim of "most independent experts disagree? is that it?s "common sense and simple logic?? Awesome¡
so your counterargument to back up your claim of "most independent experts disagree” is that it’s "common sense and simple logic”? Awesome¡
What exactly are you referring to with the "most independent experts disagree", and I'll be glad to show you facts.
What exactly are you referring to with the "most independent experts disagree", and I'll be glad to show you facts.
I?m referring to your unsubstantiated, blanket claim. So us proof! You may be right, but your argument is weak.
I’m referring to your unsubstantiated, blanket claim. So us proof! You may be right, but your argument is weak.
Claim to what ? Be more specific. Wherever I said that statement, it was referring to something specific.
Claim to what ? Be more specific. Wherever I said that statement, it was referring to something specific.
You really have to not think when you write if you can?t even remember writing this:
Your posts are the ones full of BS and spins. Anyway, this issue was first reported less then 24 hours after launch. Point being, this is an obvious flaw that quickly came to light. So why is Apple bragging about their thorough hi-tech testing, when they missed such an obvious flaw. And why is Apple patting themselves on the back with their testing, and proudly showing their labs, when they missed such an obvious flaw ? And why is Apple trying to coverup the true number of people that are experiencing this issue by throwing out statistics that do not accurately represent the true numbers ? Spin, spin, spin.
Btw, sorry you are so blinded by the spin that you believe the iPhone 4's issue is similar to other phones. Most independent experts disagree.
You really have to not think when you write if you can’t even remember writing this:
And here's three independent links to back my point.
AnandTech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3821/i...1-signal-fix/3
Consumer Reports:
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/electronics/iphone-4/
AntennaSys:
http://www.antennasys.com/antennasys...athinator.html