Do you have the mental and physical dexterity to not put the tip of your finger on that one spot?
Come on... That's not fair to imply that because someone lacks uninhibited cognitive functions, that they are physically impaired as well.
The musculature could be 100% normal, the neural receptors just might not be recieving data. This would explain the inability to grasp the inherent physicality of using a f@$king 4 inch touch screen and failing to apply the same principles less than an inch to the side.
In fact patients with this condition are at heightened risk of drowning. While the finger is stuck without neural input on the tiny line, the head is slightly tilted back, mouth agape while the suffering waits for a few moments for something to blink on the screen. In areas with high precipitation, this position leaves them vulnerable to rainfall entering the mouth, accumulating in the lung and resulting in drowning.
The only know cure is to separate the head from the body. Note that in many cases, after this proceedure the patient will run around aimlessly making horrible noises similar to a loud infant crying and bumping into things. This side effect is known as "buying a piece of crap, off-brand, knock-off device".
You know....I just don't understand all of this fuss. People have been having problems with cell phone reception for as long as I can remember but never have they been so aggressive to a manufacturer. Before if a call dropped you would look at the phone, cuss the provider and then make another call.
It makes me wonder if Apple in now moving into the realm of Microsoft where because the company is so large and popular that they are scrutinized beyond belief and punished for a problem that has always been around?
I know I will probably get flak for this but I think its time the media just let this go now and lets move on. The phone works, reception is bad in low reception areas, a case helps reception and because of the stink made in the media and a handful of users Apple is giving away cases now. Problem solved until the phone is updated again.
I didn't write the algorithm, Apple did. Apple tested it, they worked with it, they released it that way.
A dropped call is a dropped call, regardless of how your algorithm works.
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Originally Posted by chronster
He said he could reproduce the issue by just naturally holding his phone. Not by running an app, or by using it upside down, or whatever other possible cause you can think of. It was caused by naturally holding his phone, and in the Apple store no less. I've never been to an Apple store where their display phones didn't have excellent service, but it's still possible that particular store didn't have good service (but how can you tell when the bars are displayed incorrectly.)
Look, this guy has given his story and you tell him basically it doesn't matter because other data says it's a non issue. That's kind of arrogant. You're basically calling him a liar, or too stupid to know why he's wrong.
You're still going on about this as though the bars were previously analogous to signal strength, and as though they haven't changed that, so it's now obvious what the real situation really is. At this point, one can only conclude that you are willfully misrepresenting the facts.
As opposed to other phones that drop calls if you don't do anything?
Do you have any evidence that the iPhone has more of a problem than other phones?
How can you demand evidence from people right after saying something that has not a shred of evidence to back it up?
You say other phones drop your call if you don't do anything. Literally, you have the phone sitting on your desk with speaker phone on with full service, and the call it dropped. Please show us videos of this, because THAT sounds like a major issue.
At least with the iphone, it was obvious how the signal was being dropped and that's why I say I'd just get a case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7tfH9oBQbk < This was pre 4.01. I don't know if he has a followup vid, but this was the phone Apple released to the public, and this guy is the kind of person who's been loudest in this discussion. The examples of attenuation posted always has someone holding a phone oddly, and tightly.
You know....I just don't understand all of this fuss. People have been having problems with cell phone reception for as long as I can remember but never have they been so aggressive to a manufacturer. Before if a call dropped you would look at the phone, cuss the provider and then make another call.
It makes me wonder if Apple in now moving into the realm of Microsoft where because the company is so large and popular that they are scrutinized beyond belief and punished for a problem that has always been around?
I know I will probably get flak for this but I think its time the media just let this go now and lets move on. The phone works, reception is bad in low reception areas, a case helps reception and because of the stink made in the media and a handful of users Apple is giving away cases now. Problem solved until the phone is updated again.
Just my 2 cents.
No it's a price point issue, Apple's overall computer market share is relatively modest.
Before you had to pay a minimum of a grand for an Apple device, kept a lot of the jokers at bay. Now that $80 and up gets you into an Apple, every greasy freak without a summer job fancies himself not just a Mac expert, but master of all technologies. I think you'd find an abnormally high number of Batman branded items around these people. No specific offense intended towards Batman or other imaginary characters that dorks lust over.
You're still going on about this as though the bars were previously analogous to signal strength, and as though they haven't changed that, so it's now obvious what the real situation really is. At this point, one can only conclude that you are willfully misrepresenting the facts.
Right, I haven't mentioned once how the 4.01 update changes how the bars are shown.
I've been called worse and I do appreciate your brevity.
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Originally Posted by thespaz
Back off the freakin' guy man! Blah blah blah
The individual making those comments was the one who used words like "burden" to describe his Apple experience. C'mon his post was full of inaccuracies and exaggerations. First post? They came to an Apple forum to say they were leaving Apple ? That behavior resembles a stalker.
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach
Huh maybe you are overreacting a little to those whiners, but I still have to agree with you nontheless:
Yeah, I was being loud, but I had to get it out.I'm really annoyed that as it turned out the IP4 problem seems to be minor, blown way out of proportion and a huge waste of time. Back in the real world...
BP finally caps the well and discovers a leak
china seals oil port after spill
Sixty killed as trains collide in India
China on track to aim 2,000 missiles at Taiwan
This story should not have been the media frenzy it was. Every news channel, newspaper and blogger was using the sensationalist exaggerations to catch the attention of the lowest common denominator and make money.
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Originally Posted by geekdad
Why attack the person? Why make it personal? Did he step on YOUR toes because he made a different choice than you would? He said he was still an Apple supporter.....Gees man get a life.....
Did I ever attack the poster? Here's the only line in question...
"Awwwwww. Need a tissue? So glad the great burden of owning Apple products has been lifted off your back. Enjoy your delusional fantasy, er uh I mean unburdened escape from the clutches if the Evil Empire into the soft delicate hands of droid bliss. "
I thought it was more... sarcastic to be honest. Even funny if you agreed. I think allot of us are feeling it. "Ohhh boo hoo my phone doesn't work". So take the fracking thing back. Done. If my response was reproachable, well.... Frack It. That's what I felt like saying and I didn't mean to attack anyone, just make a case for how silly this whole story is with a little sarcasm. I never said, you are an idiot, you are flat out wrong or I'm going to beat you up. Don't be so sensitive. Maybe you are the one in need of a tissue. I guess it was the delusional part.
How's the Evo working out for you? It's one of the phones people have shown to have attenuation issues when "held wrong."
Really?
I can make and recieve calls with it no matter where I am or how I hold the phone. BTW.....I had both phones for a while the iphone 4G and the EVO. I tested both phones making and recieving calls. The 4G would drop calls when the EVO would not. I have had the EVO for 3 weeks now and have not had one drop call or signal loss issue. But that is just my real world side by side experience.
Awwwwww. Need a tissue? So glad the great burden of owning Apple products has been lifted off your back. Enjoy your delusional fantasy, er uh I mean unburdened escape from the clutches if the Evil Empire into the soft delicate hands of droid bliss.
Everyone's Iphone 4's seem to be working fine with one caveat, the antennae. The phone is in no way defective, merely imperfect as all phone's *and all electronics) are in some way. The droid OS is terrible, HTC hardware is crap. Everything sucks on a droid.
Iphone 4 owners have to have to use a case, hold it a certain way or turn off 3G. Not a big deal to me over the deficiencies of owning a craptastic droid. Especially 3G, eats too much battery anyway.
Funny you didn't even bother to look at IP4. I am now waiting for mine since I realized (IMO) all of these stories are gross exaggerations, perpetuated by loud mouth, non expert, whiny bloggers throwing temper tantrums in an attempt to garner attention for their sad, sad blogging lives by spreading nothing short of propaganda, possibly cooked up by Apple's competitors when a fairly minor flaw was uncovered. Apple took a big chance at making a better antenna and it worked. Reception is better, but it also presented a flaw. How many times have we seen that in the tech business? Kudos for Apple taking a chance, sorry it didn't work out for everybody. Everyone else was happy with 3G phones that got worse reception than the clunkers from the early 90's, but obviously Apple wanted the best antenna they could make. In creating a new standard it introduced a problem they didn't see soon enough.
Not a perfect antenna, I Know, but I know how to mitigate the problem and I still have the better phone, the better camera, the better screen, the best ipod, video chat, the best apps, the best OS, the best book, tv and movie store as well. Oh well, enjoy the freedom to embrace mediocrity.
With friends like this, who needs enemies...
The iPhone 4 antenna is great. That's the irony of this whole thing. Reception in weak areas is far better than previous versions.
What's particularly ironic is that the argument given by Apple haters is generally that "we geeks are really smart, and don't need Apple being nanny to us."
Yet when Apple essentially puts a big 'X' on the one spot that might cause problems when bridged, these folks don't seem to be smart or energetic enough to move their pinky a millimeter.
These folks DO need a nanny.
All engineering is about trade-offs. My only criticism of Jobs' Friday appearance was that he didn't acknowledge this.
For me (and apparently for the vast majority of iPhone 4 owners) this trade-off was WELL worth it.
I can make and recieve calls with it no matter where I am or how I hold the phone. BTW.....I had both phones for a while the iphone 4G and the EVO. I tested both phones making and recieving calls. The 4G would drop calls when the EVO would not. I have had the EVO for 3 weeks now and have not had one drop call or signal loss issue. But that is just my real world side by side experience.
Well I'm sorry, I simply can't believe it. Clearly I have to believe anonymouse when he says there is no issue, and anyone who had an issue only had one because it was pre 4.01.
Oh ok, 4.01 solved the issue. End of discussion, right?
Yes, because it was a false issue to begin with, so it should be the end of discussion that attempts to confuse the issue using the original signal bar as any part of the argument, and the real data should be the end of the discussion for any rational person. But we all know that a) not everyone is rational, and b) that there are interested parties who wish to pretend that it isn't the end of the discussion.
I didn't write the algorithm, Apple did. Apple tested it, they worked with it, they released it that way.
A dropped call is a dropped call, regardless of how your algorithm works.
Apple released the iPhone 4 with a software bug, actually started with the original iPhone. Apple fixed the bug within 3 weeks. Are you going to tell me that you never in your life bought a product or a software with a bug?! Get over it.
This is getting really stupid. The same argument from the same people over and over again. On Friday a thread with the same issue reached more than 500 posts. Everything being said here was said there by the same people.
I can make and recieve calls with it no matter where I am or how I hold the phone. BTW.....I had both phones for a while the iphone 4G and the EVO. I tested both phones making and recieving calls. The 4G would drop calls when the EVO would not. I have had the EVO for 3 weeks now and have not had one drop call or signal loss issue. But that is just my real world side by side experience.
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Originally Posted by chronster
Well I'm sorry, I simply can't believe it. Clearly I have to believe anonymouse when he says there is no issue, and anyone who had an issue only had one because it was pre 4.01.
You're a liar!
(just kidding )
No, you reject it as irrelevant because the iP4 and EVO don't use the same network, so any comparisons made regarding dropped calls at specific locations aren't valid.
I mean, this isn't even a difficult one to figure out.
You know....I just don't understand all of this fuss. People have been having problems with cell phone reception for as long as I can remember but never have they been so aggressive to a manufacturer. Before if a call dropped you would look at the phone, cuss the provider and then make another call.
It makes me wonder if Apple in now moving into the realm of Microsoft where because the company is so large and popular that they are scrutinized beyond belief and punished for a problem that has always been around?
I know I will probably get flak for this but I think its time the media just let this go now and lets move on. The phone works, reception is bad in low reception areas, a case helps reception and because of the stink made in the media and a handful of users Apple is giving away cases now. Problem solved until the phone is updated again.
Just my 2 cents.
Actually your comment is worth considerably more than 2 cents. I agree completely with your statement but it lacks any controversial allegations or personal attacks so it will likely be disregarded.
They aren't pointing fingers, they are just saying, "Hey, why are you pointing fingers at us? These other guys have the same problem. Duh!"
Consumer Reports looks like they will end up suffering the most damage to their reputation. What credibility they had is slipping away as they recommend people buy other phones with the same issue but won't recommend the iP4 because not doing so is generating links, hits and subscriptions for them.
Right. Pointing at other smartphones in the Press Release is NOT pointing fingers, it is just identifying them.
Consumer Reports has no credibility whatsoever. Never did.
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Do you have the mental and physical dexterity to not put the tip of your finger on that one spot?
Come on... That's not fair to imply that because someone lacks uninhibited cognitive functions, that they are physically impaired as well.
The musculature could be 100% normal, the neural receptors just might not be recieving data. This would explain the inability to grasp the inherent physicality of using a f@$king 4 inch touch screen and failing to apply the same principles less than an inch to the side.
In fact patients with this condition are at heightened risk of drowning. While the finger is stuck without neural input on the tiny line, the head is slightly tilted back, mouth agape while the suffering waits for a few moments for something to blink on the screen. In areas with high precipitation, this position leaves them vulnerable to rainfall entering the mouth, accumulating in the lung and resulting in drowning.
The only know cure is to separate the head from the body. Note that in many cases, after this proceedure the patient will run around aimlessly making horrible noises similar to a loud infant crying and bumping into things. This side effect is known as "buying a piece of crap, off-brand, knock-off device".
It makes me wonder if Apple in now moving into the realm of Microsoft where because the company is so large and popular that they are scrutinized beyond belief and punished for a problem that has always been around?
I know I will probably get flak for this but I think its time the media just let this go now and lets move on. The phone works, reception is bad in low reception areas, a case helps reception and because of the stink made in the media and a handful of users Apple is giving away cases now. Problem solved until the phone is updated again.
Just my 2 cents.
I didn't write the algorithm, Apple did. Apple tested it, they worked with it, they released it that way.
A dropped call is a dropped call, regardless of how your algorithm works.
He said he could reproduce the issue by just naturally holding his phone. Not by running an app, or by using it upside down, or whatever other possible cause you can think of. It was caused by naturally holding his phone, and in the Apple store no less. I've never been to an Apple store where their display phones didn't have excellent service, but it's still possible that particular store didn't have good service (but how can you tell when the bars are displayed incorrectly.)
Look, this guy has given his story and you tell him basically it doesn't matter because other data says it's a non issue. That's kind of arrogant. You're basically calling him a liar, or too stupid to know why he's wrong.
You're still going on about this as though the bars were previously analogous to signal strength, and as though they haven't changed that, so it's now obvious what the real situation really is. At this point, one can only conclude that you are willfully misrepresenting the facts.
As opposed to other phones that drop calls if you don't do anything?
Do you have any evidence that the iPhone has more of a problem than other phones?
How can you demand evidence from people right after saying something that has not a shred of evidence to back it up?
You say other phones drop your call if you don't do anything. Literally, you have the phone sitting on your desk with speaker phone on with full service, and the call it dropped. Please show us videos of this, because THAT sounds like a major issue.
At least with the iphone, it was obvious how the signal was being dropped and that's why I say I'd just get a case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7tfH9oBQbk < This was pre 4.01. I don't know if he has a followup vid, but this was the phone Apple released to the public, and this guy is the kind of person who's been loudest in this discussion. The examples of attenuation posted always has someone holding a phone oddly, and tightly.
You know....I just don't understand all of this fuss. People have been having problems with cell phone reception for as long as I can remember but never have they been so aggressive to a manufacturer. Before if a call dropped you would look at the phone, cuss the provider and then make another call.
It makes me wonder if Apple in now moving into the realm of Microsoft where because the company is so large and popular that they are scrutinized beyond belief and punished for a problem that has always been around?
I know I will probably get flak for this but I think its time the media just let this go now and lets move on. The phone works, reception is bad in low reception areas, a case helps reception and because of the stink made in the media and a handful of users Apple is giving away cases now. Problem solved until the phone is updated again.
Just my 2 cents.
No it's a price point issue, Apple's overall computer market share is relatively modest.
Before you had to pay a minimum of a grand for an Apple device, kept a lot of the jokers at bay. Now that $80 and up gets you into an Apple, every greasy freak without a summer job fancies himself not just a Mac expert, but master of all technologies. I think you'd find an abnormally high number of Batman branded items around these people. No specific offense intended towards Batman or other imaginary characters that dorks lust over.
You're still going on about this as though the bars were previously analogous to signal strength, and as though they haven't changed that, so it's now obvious what the real situation really is. At this point, one can only conclude that you are willfully misrepresenting the facts.
Right, I haven't mentioned once how the 4.01 update changes how the bars are shown.
What discussion are you part of?
Here's the improvement btw: (look at around 1:45) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNIbz_jC2k8 He's got a bumper on it, but he's also using death grip
Arrogant idiot.
I've been called worse and I do appreciate your brevity.
Back off the freakin' guy man! Blah blah blah
The individual making those comments was the one who used words like "burden" to describe his Apple experience. C'mon his post was full of inaccuracies and exaggerations. First post? They came to an Apple forum to say they were leaving Apple ? That behavior resembles a stalker.
Huh maybe you are overreacting a little to those whiners, but I still have to agree with you nontheless:
Yeah, I was being loud, but I had to get it out.
BP finally caps the well and discovers a leak
china seals oil port after spill
Sixty killed as trains collide in India
China on track to aim 2,000 missiles at Taiwan
This story should not have been the media frenzy it was. Every news channel, newspaper and blogger was using the sensationalist exaggerations to catch the attention of the lowest common denominator and make money.
Why attack the person? Why make it personal? Did he step on YOUR toes because he made a different choice than you would? He said he was still an Apple supporter.....Gees man get a life.....
Did I ever attack the poster? Here's the only line in question...
"Awwwwww. Need a tissue? So glad the great burden of owning Apple products has been lifted off your back. Enjoy your delusional fantasy, er uh I mean unburdened escape from the clutches if the Evil Empire into the soft delicate hands of droid bliss. "
I thought it was more... sarcastic to be honest. Even funny if you agreed. I think allot of us are feeling it. "Ohhh boo hoo my phone doesn't work". So take the fracking thing back. Done. If my response was reproachable, well.... Frack It. That's what I felt like saying and I didn't mean to attack anyone, just make a case for how silly this whole story is with a little sarcasm. I never said, you are an idiot, you are flat out wrong or I'm going to beat you up. Don't be so sensitive. Maybe you are the one in need of a tissue. I guess it was the delusional part.
How can you demand evidence from people right after saying something that has not a shred of evidence to back it up?
It's a rhetorical device to point out that people making false claims are basing them on nothing.
Right, I haven't mentioned once how the 4.01 update changes how the bars are shown.
What discussion are you part of?
The discussion where you are pretending that the original bar display was the true indicator of what was going on relative to signal strength changes.
How's the Evo working out for you? It's one of the phones people have shown to have attenuation issues when "held wrong."
Really?
I can make and recieve calls with it no matter where I am or how I hold the phone. BTW.....I had both phones for a while the iphone 4G and the EVO. I tested both phones making and recieving calls. The 4G would drop calls when the EVO would not. I have had the EVO for 3 weeks now and have not had one drop call or signal loss issue. But that is just my real world side by side experience.
Awwwwww.
Everyone's Iphone 4's seem to be working fine with one caveat, the antennae. The phone is in no way defective, merely imperfect as all phone's *and all electronics) are in some way. The droid OS is terrible, HTC hardware is crap. Everything sucks on a droid.
Iphone 4 owners have to have to use a case, hold it a certain way or turn off 3G. Not a big deal to me over the deficiencies of owning a craptastic droid. Especially 3G, eats too much battery anyway.
Funny you didn't even bother to look at IP4. I am now waiting for mine since I realized (IMO) all of these stories are gross exaggerations, perpetuated by loud mouth, non expert, whiny bloggers throwing temper tantrums in an attempt to garner attention for their sad, sad blogging lives by spreading nothing short of propaganda, possibly cooked up by Apple's competitors when a fairly minor flaw was uncovered. Apple took a big chance at making a better antenna and it worked. Reception is better, but it also presented a flaw. How many times have we seen that in the tech business? Kudos for Apple taking a chance, sorry it didn't work out for everybody. Everyone else was happy with 3G phones that got worse reception than the clunkers from the early 90's, but obviously Apple wanted the best antenna they could make. In creating a new standard it introduced a problem they didn't see soon enough.
Not a perfect antenna, I Know, but I know how to mitigate the problem and I still have the better phone, the better camera, the better screen, the best ipod, video chat, the best apps, the best OS, the best book, tv and movie store as well. Oh well, enjoy the freedom to embrace mediocrity.
With friends like this, who needs enemies...
The iPhone 4 antenna is great. That's the irony of this whole thing. Reception in weak areas is far better than previous versions.
What's particularly ironic is that the argument given by Apple haters is generally that "we geeks are really smart, and don't need Apple being nanny to us."
Yet when Apple essentially puts a big 'X' on the one spot that might cause problems when bridged, these folks don't seem to be smart or energetic enough to move their pinky a millimeter.
These folks DO need a nanny.
All engineering is about trade-offs. My only criticism of Jobs' Friday appearance was that he didn't acknowledge this.
For me (and apparently for the vast majority of iPhone 4 owners) this trade-off was WELL worth it.
The discussion where you are pretending that the original bar display was the true indicator of what was going on relative to signal strength changes.
Oh ok, 4.01 solved the issue. End of discussion, right?
Really?
I can make and recieve calls with it no matter where I am or how I hold the phone. BTW.....I had both phones for a while the iphone 4G and the EVO. I tested both phones making and recieving calls. The 4G would drop calls when the EVO would not. I have had the EVO for 3 weeks now and have not had one drop call or signal loss issue. But that is just my real world side by side experience.
Well I'm sorry, I simply can't believe it. Clearly I have to believe anonymouse when he says there is no issue, and anyone who had an issue only had one because it was pre 4.01.
You're a liar!
(just kidding
Oh ok, 4.01 solved the issue. End of discussion, right?
Yes, because it was a false issue to begin with, so it should be the end of discussion that attempts to confuse the issue using the original signal bar as any part of the argument, and the real data should be the end of the discussion for any rational person. But we all know that a) not everyone is rational, and b) that there are interested parties who wish to pretend that it isn't the end of the discussion.
I didn't write the algorithm, Apple did. Apple tested it, they worked with it, they released it that way.
A dropped call is a dropped call, regardless of how your algorithm works.
Apple released the iPhone 4 with a software bug, actually started with the original iPhone. Apple fixed the bug within 3 weeks. Are you going to tell me that you never in your life bought a product or a software with a bug?! Get over it.
This is getting really stupid. The same argument from the same people over and over again. On Friday a thread with the same issue reached more than 500 posts. Everything being said here was said there by the same people.
Can you replicate the decreased signal on any other phone with just the tip of your finger? I'll be waiting for your answer & link.
I can't reproduce the bar drop with MY IP4 I've had for a week with a full "Death Grip"! So what's your point?
Really?
I can make and recieve calls with it no matter where I am or how I hold the phone. BTW.....I had both phones for a while the iphone 4G and the EVO. I tested both phones making and recieving calls. The 4G would drop calls when the EVO would not. I have had the EVO for 3 weeks now and have not had one drop call or signal loss issue. But that is just my real world side by side experience.
Well I'm sorry, I simply can't believe it. Clearly I have to believe anonymouse when he says there is no issue, and anyone who had an issue only had one because it was pre 4.01.
You're a liar!
(just kidding
No, you reject it as irrelevant because the iP4 and EVO don't use the same network, so any comparisons made regarding dropped calls at specific locations aren't valid.
I mean, this isn't even a difficult one to figure out.
You know....I just don't understand all of this fuss. People have been having problems with cell phone reception for as long as I can remember but never have they been so aggressive to a manufacturer. Before if a call dropped you would look at the phone, cuss the provider and then make another call.
It makes me wonder if Apple in now moving into the realm of Microsoft where because the company is so large and popular that they are scrutinized beyond belief and punished for a problem that has always been around?
I know I will probably get flak for this but I think its time the media just let this go now and lets move on. The phone works, reception is bad in low reception areas, a case helps reception and because of the stink made in the media and a handful of users Apple is giving away cases now. Problem solved until the phone is updated again.
Just my 2 cents.
Actually your comment is worth considerably more than 2 cents. I agree completely with your statement but it lacks any controversial allegations or personal attacks so it will likely be disregarded.
They aren't pointing fingers, they are just saying, "Hey, why are you pointing fingers at us? These other guys have the same problem. Duh!"
Consumer Reports looks like they will end up suffering the most damage to their reputation. What credibility they had is slipping away as they recommend people buy other phones with the same issue but won't recommend the iP4 because not doing so is generating links, hits and subscriptions for them.
Right. Pointing at other smartphones in the Press Release is NOT pointing fingers, it is just identifying them.
Consumer Reports has no credibility whatsoever. Never did.