The hard data that jobs presented was absolutely shocking, whether you like Job's rhetoric or not, the data was unbelievable.
Why didn't you believe the data? It looked totally solid to me. Steve absolutely demolished each and every objection that the Bloggers manufactured.
What kind of a world do we live in where the maker of the best phone on earth, bar none, has to publicly refute lies about his product? It is a very sad situation.
All those Bloggers and RumorMongers should be ashamed of themselves. Every single one.
No, you reject it as irrelevant because the iP4 and EVO don't use the same network, so any comparisons made regarding dropped calls at specific locations aren't valid.
I mean, this isn't even a difficult one to figure out.
you're right, it's not a difficult one to figure out, that's why he's staying with his Evo
No, you reject it as irrelevant because the iP4 and EVO don't use the same network, so any comparisons made regarding dropped calls at specific locations aren't valid.
I mean, this isn't even a difficult one to figure out.
You make a very good point about the different networks. Now what about the way I held it? What about hold the 4G and the 3G side by side and having the call drop on the 4G but not the 3G? I could watch the signal bars go from full signal and drop down to no service.
Again guys...I am not bashing Apple here I buy Apple products because they great products. I just bought a new MBP with the i7 prcessor and it is so blazing fast!
I have 2 iMacs and iPad a Macbook and a 3G iPhone in my house right now......
So it not like I am trying to just stir things up or put Apple down.
I am not. But everything I have written about MY experiences with the 4G is true.......
Apple released the iPhone 4 with a software bug, actually started with the original iPhone. Apple fixed the bug within 3 weeks. Are you going to tell me that you never in your life bought a product or a software with a bug?! Get over it.
This is getting really stupid. The same argument from the same people over and over again. On Friday a thread with the same issue reached more than 500 posts. Everything being said here was said there by the same people.
Well I'm not making this out to be anything more than it is. In fact, I feel like I'm being more than reasonable, accepting the fact that attenuation occurs in all phones in one form or another, but given that it's a bit more exaggerated with the ip4, a case or a bumper is enough to squash the problem and keep it one of the best possible phones to get.
wow.. i had the same exact feelings as you tile my friend got a droid,, and i took the blinders off and tried it,,,,and well the rest is history,,, open source coding,, or apples do it my way,, IE: as much as adobe flash may not be the future,, it is out there,,on alot of websites,,i do believe the ip4 will be a above the bar product but so are alot of the droid phones,,
and ya it is great for apple to try new things,, im all for that,, but when R&D misses something that simple.,, i say it was a rush to deliver what wasnt ready,, but i guess in 4 months they can release the iphone4gs,, btw the first rule of marketing never show what your competitor is or has done wrong, show what you are doing right,, jobs should have left it that the bumper corrects it and we will give you one,,,
First and foremost on selecting a smartphone you are happy with. Run with it. The rest however reamins to be seen as to whether open source can produce a viable commercially successful platform without a corporate sponsor like Google supporting it. I have not yet seen anything truly compelling in the Android Marketplace - a few nice apps pop up from time to time but nothing truly ground-breaking. Second, Apple seldom - if ever, brings an unfinished product, especially the class of the iPhone, to the market. Now it may not have all the bells and whistles that every bloghound or erstatz pundit thinks it should have, but that is largely beside the point. Jobs is on record as killing all kinds of projects for not being ready for the marketplace - so I would hazard that your comment is not reflective of reality. When in doubt, apply standard logic to the situation - where you said:
Quote:
but when R&D misses something that simple.,, i say it was a rush to deliver what wasnt ready
for example, R&D obviously didn't miss on the antenna system - it is, by all reports a BETTER antenna system (better reception, fewer dropped calls), and in personal use I have in fact found these claims to be true. It has given me better signal capture and fewer dropped calls than my previous 1st gen iPhone. I also have not seen the "bars" issue that has been widely reported on my iPhone 4.
Finally, this:
Quote:
btw the first rule of marketing never show what your competitor is or has done wrong
is quite wrong. The generally acknowledged first rule of marketing is "know your audience".
The proliferation of videos on Youtube demonstrating clearly that smartphones/cellphones all experience this same attentuation, and calls into question whether cellphone makers have basically made a deal with the devil where antenna performance is concerned, since users want smaller and smaller devices that look slick and cool, and that heads in the direction opposite of effective antenna performance. One of the things that I tend to struggle with in these threads are all the armchair experts who know exactly what Apple did wrong, or what they should have done, or what Steve Jobs should have said, and yet none of which are apparently heads of their own multi-billion dollar electronics companies delivering cutting edge devices. Opinions are cheap when you have nothing on the line.
Again, I strongly commend you for selecting a cellphone that works best for you - that is exactly the correct and laudable informed consumer behavior that should drive everyone's mindset. Were more engaged in that activity and mindset we might, just might have fewer nonsensical contributors in these threads. But then the universe seems to produce idiocy and stupidity at a very high rate, so perhaps I hope in vain.
Let's ask the more appropriate question: Should you or I or anyone else have to hold the phone a certain way in order to use it?
According to all of the manufacturers who actually include a diagram in their user manual, telling us where not to touch their phone, I'd have to say yes ... you are 100% correct .... finally!
Well I'm not making this out to be anything more than it is. In fact, I feel like I'm being more than reasonable, accepting the fact that attenuation occurs in all phones in one form or another, but given that it's a bit more exaggerated with the ip4, a case or a bumper is enough to squash the problem and keep it one of the best possible phones to get.
There you go again. It's only "more exaggerated" when measured using the old signal bar display, in which case, more exaggerated, by the bar display, is the correct description.
You make a very good point about the different networks. Now what about the way I held it? What about hold the 4G and the 3G side by side and having the call drop on the 4G but not the 3G? I could watch the signal bars go from full signal and drop down to no service.
1. Your confusing terminology makes it difficult to know what you are even saying. 4G would seem to refer to the EVO. 3G to an iPhone that's 2 years-old.
2. If you made an iP4 drop from full signal to no signal, then you are using an iP4 with the old signal bar display algorithm, which we all know misrepresents the issue.
3. You still can't compare 2 phones on different networks and how they handle signal, unless you have an independent, accurate measurement of that signal, which you do not.
You know....I just don't understand all of this fuss. People have been having problems with cell phone reception for as long as I can remember but never have they been so aggressive to a manufacturer. Before if a call dropped you would look at the phone, cuss the provider and then make another call.
It makes me wonder if Apple in now moving into the realm of Microsoft where because the company is so large and popular that they are scrutinized beyond belief and punished for a problem that has always been around?
I know I will probably get flak for this but I think its time the media just let this go now and lets move on. The phone works, reception is bad in low reception areas, a case helps reception and because of the stink made in the media and a handful of users Apple is giving away cases now. Problem solved until the phone is updated again.
Just my 2 cents.
I think if Apple had handled this better (don't hold it that way-silence-all phones do this) there wouldn't be anywhere near the fuss. All those responses were as if from a 5th grader (and not the smarter one), major marketing no-no's.
As to the media - I'm sure no one "blames the media" for criticisms or bad press about Microsoft, just a matter of whose ox is being gored. Look, Apple is no longer the darling rebel, the little upstart fighting against the establishment. Apple is a part of the establishment and isn't being treated with kid gloves and adulation no matter what they do (except from the most strident of supporters). All companies are fallible.
What I don't get is how Apple talks about the iPhone being the greatest phone in the world, but as soon as a concerning issue arises, they point to other phones as an excuse for their own blunder.
Imagine if Pizza Hut said they had the best pizza, but was told their pizza tastes like crap, and instead of making it better, they turned around and pointed out how Pappa John's and Dominos ALSO taste like crap. Would that make me think differently of Pizza Hut? No. It only makes me think differently about the competitors I was considering leaving Pizza Hut for.
No, this would be like competitors saying, "Pizza Hut tastes like crap because they use pizza dough which loses its flavor and soft texture once its left on the countertop for too long"... and then Pizza Hut saying hey wait a minute, ALL pizza is subject to the exact same effect, it's physics, there isn't anything particularly "wrong" with ANY of these pizzas... which was the classy way Apple did it.
Exactly. They all whine about Apple bringing them into the discussion, but not a single one claimed that Apple was wrong.
"not too many complaints"
"we can't reproduce it"
"our phone is good phone"
"you can hold our phone any way you want"
are all just pablum for people who are easily fooled. If they really thought Apple was wrong, they would have flat out said "our phone does not do this" and/or sued Apple for defamation. None of them did.
The general assumption among the usual suspects (cellphone makers) seems to be - as long as it is "good enough" then we're fine. They successfully lowered the expectations bar for the average consumer for a long time when it came to cellphones. I wonder how many people never realized that their call dropped because they were holding the phone wrong in a weak signal area, for example. And who in world ever thought that any of the feature phone or early smartphone UIs were user friendly?
It was only when Apple brought the iPhone to market against all the nay-saying by the cell makers and demonstrated their success in a highly competitive way, that Google switched to mimicking the Iphone touch interface, that the touch interface in general took off as the expected UI for a successful cellphone/smartphone. And now every single cell maker has to have a touch UI to compete. Talk about upsetting the entrenched system, or more importantly disrupting it.
I guess not. He should just use a Bumper. Problem solved. And they are free.
These Whiners will NEVER be happy!
When we type we use ten fingers and each on of them goes to one key and only one, we repeat this movement choosing one key over 40 characters at an amazing speed, we do that forming words and sentences with meaning. the sequencing is just amazing. We do all of that without looking at the keyboard or even thinking what we are doing. And people at this forum are saying that they cannot hold the weight of a little slab next to their ear without touching a marked spot?
I've yet to see a video of someone simply touching with a single finger a competitor's phone and seeing the signal fade to nothing. I have seen that with the iphone though. Literally, the phone is sitting up on it's side so the band is upward, a person touches it with their finger, and the signal slowly fades to nothing.
It's much easier to move a single finger than to readjust your entire grip. In the videos Steve Jobs showed, it was a normal hand GRIP that caused the signal drop with the other phones. If all one has to do is move a single finger from a very obvious spot, then this is better than rearranging one's entire grip on the other phones.
*I am beginning to believe that the number of dropped calls on att are mostly experienced by Iphone users with the exception of the Nexus one. I never seem to have a problem, nor do I personally hear anyone complain about ATT other than those that use an iphone.
You're kidding right? I've been with AT&T since 94, and I know of several people including myself who has had issues with their GSM coverage at least 7 years before the iPhone ever existed. AT&T has been mocked by having bad coverage waaay before the iPhone. Why do you think Verizon came out with the "Can you hear me now?" guy? It was a slam on Sprint and AT&T who they claim don't do enough to help keep their network running smooth. They (AT&T) have always oversold the network in capacity and say in fine print that they don't guarantee access.
Back in 99 it was so bad that my bill showed in one day over 10 calls that had dropped and then reconnected and good old AT&T said that they weren't going to charge me for those calls. Gee aren't they swell??
Don't believe me? Just look at AT&T's site. Just look at the reviews for their phones.
1. Your confusing terminology makes it difficult to know what you are even saying. 4G would seem to refer to the EVO. 3G to an iPhone that's 2 years-old.
2. If you made an iP4 drop from full signal to no signal, then you are using an iP4 with the old signal bar display algorithm, which we all know misrepresents the issue.
3. You still can't compare 2 phones on different networks and how they handle signal, unless you have an independent, accurate measurement of that signal, which you do not.
You are missing the whole point and context. I tested 3 phones iPhone 3G and iPhone 4G (the new one!) and the EVO. Only the new iPhone 4G would drop calls. It did not matter how many bars were displayed. It did not matter if it was in an weak signal area or not. The iPhone 3G could make calls using the same network and same location while the iPhone 4G would drop calls when HELD the way I normally hold all my phones. I could hold all 3 phones the same way and ONLY the new iPhone 4G would lose signal and then drop calls. It did this with a full signal and of course when it had a weak signal. BUT is was the ONLY phone to do this. I hope that clarifies it for you......
But yes, I do retain both the mental and physical capacity. I can even do it with my right and left hands-- I'm just so fucking ambidextrous like that, man.
Let's ask the more appropriate question: Should you or I or anyone else have to hold the phone a certain way in order to use it?
Apparently we SHOULD have to hold ALL phones in a certain way in order to use any of them. It's written right into the manuals of virtually every cell phone out there. And according to the FCC and others, it's best to keep the antenna as far away from your skull as possible, too.
Ok, lets use your grease analogy. Pizza hut says it makes the best pizza in the world. They didn't invent the pepperoni pizza, they just did it better. This new pepperoni they are using has been specially designed to go around the outside of the crust! LOL.
This is definitely getting into the absurd. The bottom line is, Apple shouldn't be pointing to other phones and saying it's just a fact of life. This doesn't do any good for ANYBODY. Just point out how the issue is only an ISSUE for those living in very weak signal areas, offer those individuals a free case, and move on. That's more than enough. Apple's pulling other phones into this mess to show attenuation is literally them just saying "Well you can go get one of the other competitor's phones, but you'll just see the same thing, so you may as well stick with us."
It's not absurd at all. The real bottom line is, the cell makers are getting called out on something they were hoping the average consumer would just ignore. They are concerned now because Apple, not being part of the "old boys network" of cell makers (who have agreed amongst themselves to not draw attention to the attenuation issue), being the disruptive "new kid on the block", has called them out when they thought it was safe to let Apple hang for a common issue. And they had a vested interest to do so - Apple came into their sandbox with a new toy that made theirs look dumb, and became very popular. So much so they all felt they had to produce lookalike touch phones to compete with the very company they said would fail miserably. And didn't.
Moreover, Jobs in his addressing of the issue was fairly explicit that Apple would resolve any real issues via replacement, or refund within 30 days. So no consumer has to tolerate an iPhone that doesn't perform to expectation. So, for example if the antenna performance is not what you require - you either get it replaced (after which your return window is advanced ANOTHER 30 days btw), or you get a refund and go get another cellphone, like geekdad and northern did. They seem to be happy, and I don't see Steve Jobs hiding around the corner to go "neener-neener" at them for doing so - do you?
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The hard data that jobs presented was absolutely shocking, whether you like Job's rhetoric or not, the data was unbelievable.
Why didn't you believe the data? It looked totally solid to me. Steve absolutely demolished each and every objection that the Bloggers manufactured.
What kind of a world do we live in where the maker of the best phone on earth, bar none, has to publicly refute lies about his product? It is a very sad situation.
All those Bloggers and RumorMongers should be ashamed of themselves. Every single one.
No, you reject it as irrelevant because the iP4 and EVO don't use the same network, so any comparisons made regarding dropped calls at specific locations aren't valid.
I mean, this isn't even a difficult one to figure out.
you're right, it's not a difficult one to figure out, that's why he's staying with his Evo
No, you reject it as irrelevant because the iP4 and EVO don't use the same network, so any comparisons made regarding dropped calls at specific locations aren't valid.
I mean, this isn't even a difficult one to figure out.
You make a very good point about the different networks. Now what about the way I held it? What about hold the 4G and the 3G side by side and having the call drop on the 4G but not the 3G? I could watch the signal bars go from full signal and drop down to no service.
Again guys...I am not bashing Apple here I buy Apple products because they great products. I just bought a new MBP with the i7 prcessor and it is so blazing fast!
I have 2 iMacs and iPad a Macbook and a 3G iPhone in my house right now......
So it not like I am trying to just stir things up or put Apple down.
I am not. But everything I have written about MY experiences with the 4G is true.......
Do you have the mental and physical dexterity to not put the tip of your finger on that one spot?
I guess not. He should just use a Bumper. Problem solved. And they are free.
These Whiners will NEVER be happy!
Apple released the iPhone 4 with a software bug, actually started with the original iPhone. Apple fixed the bug within 3 weeks. Are you going to tell me that you never in your life bought a product or a software with a bug?! Get over it.
This is getting really stupid. The same argument from the same people over and over again. On Friday a thread with the same issue reached more than 500 posts. Everything being said here was said there by the same people.
Well I'm not making this out to be anything more than it is. In fact, I feel like I'm being more than reasonable, accepting the fact that attenuation occurs in all phones in one form or another, but given that it's a bit more exaggerated with the ip4, a case or a bumper is enough to squash the problem and keep it one of the best possible phones to get.
wow.. i had the same exact feelings as you tile my friend got a droid,, and i took the blinders off and tried it,,,,and well the rest is history,,, open source coding,, or apples do it my way,, IE: as much as adobe flash may not be the future,, it is out there,,on alot of websites,,i do believe the ip4 will be a above the bar product but so are alot of the droid phones,,
and ya it is great for apple to try new things,, im all for that,, but when R&D misses something that simple.,, i say it was a rush to deliver what wasnt ready,, but i guess in 4 months they can release the iphone4gs,, btw the first rule of marketing never show what your competitor is or has done wrong, show what you are doing right,, jobs should have left it that the bumper corrects it and we will give you one,,,
First and foremost on selecting a smartphone you are happy with. Run with it. The rest however reamins to be seen as to whether open source can produce a viable commercially successful platform without a corporate sponsor like Google supporting it. I have not yet seen anything truly compelling in the Android Marketplace - a few nice apps pop up from time to time but nothing truly ground-breaking. Second, Apple seldom - if ever, brings an unfinished product, especially the class of the iPhone, to the market. Now it may not have all the bells and whistles that every bloghound or erstatz pundit thinks it should have, but that is largely beside the point. Jobs is on record as killing all kinds of projects for not being ready for the marketplace - so I would hazard that your comment is not reflective of reality. When in doubt, apply standard logic to the situation - where you said:
but when R&D misses something that simple.,, i say it was a rush to deliver what wasnt ready
for example, R&D obviously didn't miss on the antenna system - it is, by all reports a BETTER antenna system (better reception, fewer dropped calls), and in personal use I have in fact found these claims to be true. It has given me better signal capture and fewer dropped calls than my previous 1st gen iPhone. I also have not seen the "bars" issue that has been widely reported on my iPhone 4.
Finally, this:
btw the first rule of marketing never show what your competitor is or has done wrong
is quite wrong. The generally acknowledged first rule of marketing is "know your audience".
The proliferation of videos on Youtube demonstrating clearly that smartphones/cellphones all experience this same attentuation, and calls into question whether cellphone makers have basically made a deal with the devil where antenna performance is concerned, since users want smaller and smaller devices that look slick and cool, and that heads in the direction opposite of effective antenna performance. One of the things that I tend to struggle with in these threads are all the armchair experts who know exactly what Apple did wrong, or what they should have done, or what Steve Jobs should have said, and yet none of which are apparently heads of their own multi-billion dollar electronics companies delivering cutting edge devices. Opinions are cheap when you have nothing on the line.
Again, I strongly commend you for selecting a cellphone that works best for you - that is exactly the correct and laudable informed consumer behavior that should drive everyone's mindset. Were more engaged in that activity and mindset we might, just might have fewer nonsensical contributors in these threads. But then the universe seems to produce idiocy and stupidity at a very high rate, so perhaps I hope in vain.
Let's ask the more appropriate question: Should you or I or anyone else have to hold the phone a certain way in order to use it?
According to all of the manufacturers who actually include a diagram in their user manual, telling us where not to touch their phone, I'd have to say yes ... you are 100% correct .... finally!
Well I'm not making this out to be anything more than it is. In fact, I feel like I'm being more than reasonable, accepting the fact that attenuation occurs in all phones in one form or another, but given that it's a bit more exaggerated with the ip4, a case or a bumper is enough to squash the problem and keep it one of the best possible phones to get.
There you go again. It's only "more exaggerated" when measured using the old signal bar display, in which case, more exaggerated, by the bar display, is the correct description.
You make a very good point about the different networks. Now what about the way I held it? What about hold the 4G and the 3G side by side and having the call drop on the 4G but not the 3G? I could watch the signal bars go from full signal and drop down to no service.
1. Your confusing terminology makes it difficult to know what you are even saying. 4G would seem to refer to the EVO. 3G to an iPhone that's 2 years-old.
2. If you made an iP4 drop from full signal to no signal, then you are using an iP4 with the old signal bar display algorithm, which we all know misrepresents the issue.
3. You still can't compare 2 phones on different networks and how they handle signal, unless you have an independent, accurate measurement of that signal, which you do not.
You know....I just don't understand all of this fuss. People have been having problems with cell phone reception for as long as I can remember but never have they been so aggressive to a manufacturer. Before if a call dropped you would look at the phone, cuss the provider and then make another call.
It makes me wonder if Apple in now moving into the realm of Microsoft where because the company is so large and popular that they are scrutinized beyond belief and punished for a problem that has always been around?
I know I will probably get flak for this but I think its time the media just let this go now and lets move on. The phone works, reception is bad in low reception areas, a case helps reception and because of the stink made in the media and a handful of users Apple is giving away cases now. Problem solved until the phone is updated again.
Just my 2 cents.
I think if Apple had handled this better (don't hold it that way-silence-all phones do this) there wouldn't be anywhere near the fuss. All those responses were as if from a 5th grader (and not the smarter one), major marketing no-no's.
As to the media - I'm sure no one "blames the media" for criticisms or bad press about Microsoft, just a matter of whose ox is being gored. Look, Apple is no longer the darling rebel, the little upstart fighting against the establishment. Apple is a part of the establishment and isn't being treated with kid gloves and adulation no matter what they do (except from the most strident of supporters). All companies are fallible.
What I don't get is how Apple talks about the iPhone being the greatest phone in the world, but as soon as a concerning issue arises, they point to other phones as an excuse for their own blunder.
Imagine if Pizza Hut said they had the best pizza, but was told their pizza tastes like crap, and instead of making it better, they turned around and pointed out how Pappa John's and Dominos ALSO taste like crap. Would that make me think differently of Pizza Hut? No. It only makes me think differently about the competitors I was considering leaving Pizza Hut for.
No, this would be like competitors saying, "Pizza Hut tastes like crap because they use pizza dough which loses its flavor and soft texture once its left on the countertop for too long"... and then Pizza Hut saying hey wait a minute, ALL pizza is subject to the exact same effect, it's physics, there isn't anything particularly "wrong" with ANY of these pizzas... which was the classy way Apple did it.
Exactly. They all whine about Apple bringing them into the discussion, but not a single one claimed that Apple was wrong.
"not too many complaints"
"we can't reproduce it"
"our phone is good phone"
"you can hold our phone any way you want"
are all just pablum for people who are easily fooled. If they really thought Apple was wrong, they would have flat out said "our phone does not do this" and/or sued Apple for defamation. None of them did.
The general assumption among the usual suspects (cellphone makers) seems to be - as long as it is "good enough" then we're fine. They successfully lowered the expectations bar for the average consumer for a long time when it came to cellphones. I wonder how many people never realized that their call dropped because they were holding the phone wrong in a weak signal area, for example. And who in world ever thought that any of the feature phone or early smartphone UIs were user friendly?
It was only when Apple brought the iPhone to market against all the nay-saying by the cell makers and demonstrated their success in a highly competitive way, that Google switched to mimicking the Iphone touch interface, that the touch interface in general took off as the expected UI for a successful cellphone/smartphone. And now every single cell maker has to have a touch UI to compete. Talk about upsetting the entrenched system, or more importantly disrupting it.
I guess not. He should just use a Bumper. Problem solved. And they are free.
These Whiners will NEVER be happy!
When we type we use ten fingers and each on of them goes to one key and only one, we repeat this movement choosing one key over 40 characters at an amazing speed, we do that forming words and sentences with meaning. the sequencing is just amazing. We do all of that without looking at the keyboard or even thinking what we are doing. And people at this forum are saying that they cannot hold the weight of a little slab next to their ear without touching a marked spot?
I've yet to see a video of someone simply touching with a single finger a competitor's phone and seeing the signal fade to nothing. I have seen that with the iphone though. Literally, the phone is sitting up on it's side so the band is upward, a person touches it with their finger, and the signal slowly fades to nothing.
It's much easier to move a single finger than to readjust your entire grip. In the videos Steve Jobs showed, it was a normal hand GRIP that caused the signal drop with the other phones. If all one has to do is move a single finger from a very obvious spot, then this is better than rearranging one's entire grip on the other phones.
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Pay no attention to him. He's a troll that has been banned multiple times. This is his persona where he pretends to be an overly-gushing Apple fan.
*I am beginning to believe that the number of dropped calls on att are mostly experienced by Iphone users with the exception of the Nexus one. I never seem to have a problem, nor do I personally hear anyone complain about ATT other than those that use an iphone.
You're kidding right? I've been with AT&T since 94, and I know of several people including myself who has had issues with their GSM coverage at least 7 years before the iPhone ever existed. AT&T has been mocked by having bad coverage waaay before the iPhone. Why do you think Verizon came out with the "Can you hear me now?" guy? It was a slam on Sprint and AT&T who they claim don't do enough to help keep their network running smooth. They (AT&T) have always oversold the network in capacity and say in fine print that they don't guarantee access.
Back in 99 it was so bad that my bill showed in one day over 10 calls that had dropped and then reconnected and good old AT&T said that they weren't going to charge me for those calls. Gee aren't they swell??
Don't believe me? Just look at AT&T's site. Just look at the reviews for their phones.
1. Your confusing terminology makes it difficult to know what you are even saying. 4G would seem to refer to the EVO. 3G to an iPhone that's 2 years-old.
2. If you made an iP4 drop from full signal to no signal, then you are using an iP4 with the old signal bar display algorithm, which we all know misrepresents the issue.
3. You still can't compare 2 phones on different networks and how they handle signal, unless you have an independent, accurate measurement of that signal, which you do not.
You are missing the whole point and context. I tested 3 phones iPhone 3G and iPhone 4G (the new one!) and the EVO. Only the new iPhone 4G would drop calls. It did not matter how many bars were displayed. It did not matter if it was in an weak signal area or not. The iPhone 3G could make calls using the same network and same location while the iPhone 4G would drop calls when HELD the way I normally hold all my phones. I could hold all 3 phones the same way and ONLY the new iPhone 4G would lose signal and then drop calls. It did this with a full signal and of course when it had a weak signal. BUT is was the ONLY phone to do this. I hope that clarifies it for you......
That doesn't answer my question, does it?
But yes, I do retain both the mental and physical capacity. I can even do it with my right and left hands-- I'm just so fucking ambidextrous like that, man.
Let's ask the more appropriate question: Should you or I or anyone else have to hold the phone a certain way in order to use it?
Apparently we SHOULD have to hold ALL phones in a certain way in order to use any of them. It's written right into the manuals of virtually every cell phone out there. And according to the FCC and others, it's best to keep the antenna as far away from your skull as possible, too.
Ok, lets use your grease analogy. Pizza hut says it makes the best pizza in the world. They didn't invent the pepperoni pizza, they just did it better. This new pepperoni they are using has been specially designed to go around the outside of the crust! LOL.
This is definitely getting into the absurd. The bottom line is, Apple shouldn't be pointing to other phones and saying it's just a fact of life. This doesn't do any good for ANYBODY. Just point out how the issue is only an ISSUE for those living in very weak signal areas, offer those individuals a free case, and move on. That's more than enough. Apple's pulling other phones into this mess to show attenuation is literally them just saying "Well you can go get one of the other competitor's phones, but you'll just see the same thing, so you may as well stick with us."
It's not absurd at all. The real bottom line is, the cell makers are getting called out on something they were hoping the average consumer would just ignore. They are concerned now because Apple, not being part of the "old boys network" of cell makers (who have agreed amongst themselves to not draw attention to the attenuation issue), being the disruptive "new kid on the block", has called them out when they thought it was safe to let Apple hang for a common issue. And they had a vested interest to do so - Apple came into their sandbox with a new toy that made theirs look dumb, and became very popular. So much so they all felt they had to produce lookalike touch phones to compete with the very company they said would fail miserably. And didn't.
Moreover, Jobs in his addressing of the issue was fairly explicit that Apple would resolve any real issues via replacement, or refund within 30 days. So no consumer has to tolerate an iPhone that doesn't perform to expectation. So, for example if the antenna performance is not what you require - you either get it replaced (after which your return window is advanced ANOTHER 30 days btw), or you get a refund and go get another cellphone, like geekdad and northern did. They seem to be happy, and I don't see Steve Jobs hiding around the corner to go "neener-neener" at them for doing so - do you?