Microsoft's Steve Ballmer: 'Apple sold more iPads than I'd like them to sell'

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  • Reply 81 of 188
    bfuldabfulda Posts: 37member
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  • Reply 82 of 188
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by coolcat View Post


    Ballmer is nothing but a fat, greasy, sweaty monkey dancing fool. He's missed the boat on so many levels with Microsloth. No wonder they are a non threat....can't come up with anything original that their customers actually want. Always has to steal other people's thunder and then miserably f*ck it up...



    'Non-Threat"... Really?



    "According to its earnings report, Microsoft generated $62.48 billion in revenue over the 2009-2010 fiscal year, a 7 percent increase from the year prior, and its highest revenue ever on the books. Not surprisingly, Windows 7 played a major part, driving revenue in Microsoft?s Windows division up 23 percent from last year to $18.49 billion."



    http://www.digitaltrends.com/computi...cord-revenues/
  • Reply 83 of 188
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,854member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    Most likely just someone with a truly well-rounded perspective



    Most likely someone who uses Google Image Search
  • Reply 84 of 188
    ltmpltmp Posts: 204member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    Seems kind of a boring regular sort of article. I've seen about a half dozen over the last month or so that say essentially the same thing.



    It also doesn't seem very uncomplimentary to me. Balmer is a colossal fool and any article that doesn't paint him as such is missing the point and being too kind.



    I find the criticism related to dividends kind of off also. Almost no tech company *except* for Microsoft gives dividends anymore and most serious players in the market who are on top of things realise that dividends in general are something that just makes no sense anymore. Suggesting that Microsoft (or any company) should give out dividends as some kind of solution seems silly to me. It will just bleed them dry faster and has literally nothing to do with the health or proper operation of a company.



    I disagree about the dividends.



    Companies like AAPL don't pay dividends because the cash will earn better return for investors if it stays within the company. This allows share price to grow faster without the tax burden to shareholders.



    However, when a company has reached the cash cow stage, where rapid growth is unlikely, the only way to provide value to share holders is to release a dividend.



    This model functions pretty well in the real world, since less cash is needed to maintain the cow.



    Surprising as it might be, MSFT has enjoyed steady growth in EBIDA over the last several years.



    Ballmer has done a pretty good job at maintaining the cow, he just needs to figure out how to do something new and successful. True, he has wasted billions on projects that did nothing but harm the image of the company, but he has kept the cow alive and very healthy.



    I still think he should go. for MSFT to have a good ten year outlook, they need a "third leg". To do that, they need someone with a bit more vision.
  • Reply 85 of 188
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    Most likely someone who uses Google Image Search



    You're Utterly Ridiculous (unsurprisingly).



    Suggestion: You might want to look closely at the pages/threads displayed on each of my devices...



    Hint: There's Your Proof -
  • Reply 86 of 188
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Show me one post from the past couple of weeks where you've had something laudable to say about Apple.



    Give it your best shot.



    'Lip Service' serves little/no real purpose, I praise in the only way that truly matters... at the check-out counter.



    *BANG*
  • Reply 87 of 188
    chrisnhchrisnh Posts: 41member
    Ballmer is probably a smart guy, but he misses the mark. The 'gadget' is really half the story. Be it the iPod or the iPad, what 'does it' for Apple is the content-delivery schema that supports those devices. MP3 players abound, but only Apple decided that iTunes would be the key. Tablets have been around for awhile, but only Apple decided that the 'App Store' would be the key for the iPad (and for the iPhone). There's a Harvard B-school case study here: Gadgets are of minimal use without the content-delivery infrastructure that is both simple & appealing to use. Case closed.
  • Reply 88 of 188
    dksmidtxdksmidtx Posts: 13member
    From the Board of Directors

    Memo to Steve Ballmer:



    In the old days, you could get away with protracted development cycles and five versions before your finally caught up to the comparable Apple product (eg Windows 386, Windows 3, Windows 95, Windows 98, and finally Windows 98 SE). Or take the Zune - please. And let's not even talk about WinCE (what an appropriate name). How many years and iterations to come up with Windows Mobile 7 which will be released in THREE MORE MONTHS as an equivalent to iPhone OS 2G. We'll be three full generations behind the iPhone by the time you start selling Windows Mobile 7 devices (if you get there).



    And now let's talk about the iPad. Apparently Apple has been developing for the iPad even before the iPhone, so that's a four year gestation period, and you're going to play catch up in 6 months? Better still, you have no grasp of what it is, what it does, and what it can do, much less the unlimited potential it presents in the hands of developers. "Apps" are the key - $2-$20 building blocks that can transform into whatever you need/want it to be. NOT a vehicle for delivering ever growing bloatware with feature lists that would fill a Tolstoy novel. It is not just a "large iPod Touch" you dunce. (By the way, the next time you laugh off an Apple product you will be fired on the spot).



    So, now that you've managed to keep our stock in the $20's for years (note that it lags behind APPL by a factor of 10x), get off your dead &$$ and do some thinking and planning not just responding from one Apple &$$ whipping to the next, or our own failed product launches (Windows ME, Vista, Win Mobile, Zune, Kin). Oops, sorry we mentioned the Kin debacle - shortest lived product release in cell phone history. Gee, you really are batting a thousand big guy - aren't you - we bet you're tearing your hair out - oh, sorry, you already did that years ago.



    We'll talk again after iOS4 and Android bury Windows Phone 7, and our last remaining friends at Asus and Acer put out subpar Win7 iPad wannabes that sell in the thousands this Christmas (PS - HP, Dell, and even Lenovo have jumped ship on the Windows Slate).



    Love and kisses, Your Board
  • Reply 89 of 188
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    'Lip Service' serves little/no real purpose, I praise in the only way that truly matters... at the check-out counter.



    *BANG*



    Like that post above said, all it shows is that you can cut and paste a Google image.



    Do us a favor. Go away. Unless you're the type that enjoys wallowing in their utter lack of self-esteem. (Like I said before, it takes all kinds.....).
  • Reply 90 of 188
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChrisNH View Post


    Ballmer is probably a smart guy, but he misses the mark. The 'gadget' is really half the story. Be it the iPod or the iPad, what 'does it' for Apple is the content-delivery schema that supports those devices. MP3 players abound, but only Apple decided that iTunes would be the key. Tablets have been around for awhile, but only Apple decided that the 'App Store' would be the key for the iPad (and for the iPhone). There's a Harvard B-school case study here: Gadgets are of minimal use without the content-delivery infrastructure that is both simple & appealing to use. Case closed.



    he misses the mark because as you said it's not about the gadget itself but about the whole ecosystem...leave ballmer to copy, and make garbage software knock offs...he's very good at it and earns microsoft billions...
  • Reply 91 of 188
    mj webmj web Posts: 918member
    Steve Ballmer
  • Reply 92 of 188
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dksmidtx View Post


    From the Board of Directors



    So, now that you've managed to keep our stock in the $20's for years (note that it lags behind APPL by a factor of 10x), ........



    The fact that Apple's stock is 10x that of Microsoft does not tell us anything. Stock prices can be high and market cap low, or vice versa.



    The only question is how the stock price looks relative to earnings (or more precisely, expected free cash flow), and what it tells us about the market's perception of a company's growth prospects.



    When all those are combined, it would seem that Apple is, indeed, viewed as a clearly superior company by the stock market.
  • Reply 93 of 188
    spicedspiced Posts: 98member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Feynman View Post


    Ten minutes? Give me a break Ballmer. Why must he over exaggerate everything he says when he is talking about competition? Face the facts. We won in another category.



    His watch runs on jet engine fuel!



    OR maybe its ten seconds
  • Reply 94 of 188
    ltmpltmp Posts: 204member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Like that post above said, all it shows is that you can cut and paste a Google image.



    Do us a favor. Go away. Unless you're the type that enjoys wallowing in their utter lack of self-esteem. (Like I said before, it takes all kinds.....).



    I hate to admit it, but the images appear to be legit. I now find myself in the uncomfortable position of being jealous of daharder.
  • Reply 95 of 188
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member








    Signs of a true fanboi:



    2 iPads

    2 iPhone 4's

    iMac

    Macbook Air

    17 Macbook Pro

    Macbook

    iPod Touch

    Shuffle

    Nano

    2 iPod Classics
  • Reply 96 of 188
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LTMP View Post


    I hate to admit it, but the images appear to be legit. I now find myself in the uncomfortable position of being jealous of daharder.



    Why wouldn't they be 'legit', I see absolutely no reason whatsoever not to tell the truth (as based on my experience) about anything, especially in some internet forum.



    Feel free to 'examine' any/all images of my 'gadgets' I've ever posted anywhere on the internet... but be aware, there are thousands



    Now about that Ballmer Guy...
  • Reply 97 of 188
    rkrickrkrick Posts: 66member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Postulant View Post


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    Signs of a true fanboi:



    2 iPads

    2 iPhone 4's

    iMac

    Macbook Air

    17 Macbook Pro

    Macbook

    iPod Touch

    Shuffle

    Nano

    2 iPod Classics



    Ok just to be sure, he (DaHarder) could take another picture of all his rigs with with this thread on one of the laptop monitors.
  • Reply 98 of 188
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RKRick View Post


    Ok just to be sure, he (DaHarder) could take another picture of all his rigs with with this thread on one of the laptop monitors.



    Again.. Look closely at the displays of the 'gadgets' I've already shown (especially my array of tablets, iPad, and iMac 27).



    Whoa! www.appleinsider.com in all its glory, some even showing this very thread featuring --- Wait For it... The 1st Picture I Posted



    Now please let us return to the original thread topic - Thanks
  • Reply 99 of 188
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LTMP View Post


    I disagree about the dividends.



    Companies like AAPL don't pay dividends because the cash will earn better return for investors if it stays within the company. This allows share price to grow faster without the tax burden to shareholders.



    However, when a company has reached the cash cow stage, where rapid growth is unlikely, the only way to provide value to share holders is to release a dividend.



    This model functions pretty well in the real world, since less cash is needed to maintain the cow.



    Surprising as it might be, MSFT has enjoyed steady growth in EBIDA over the last several years.



    Ballmer has done a pretty good job at maintaining the cow, he just needs to figure out how to do something new and successful. True, he has wasted billions on projects that did nothing but harm the image of the company, but he has kept the cow alive and very healthy.



    I still think he should go. for MSFT to have a good ten year outlook, they need a "third leg". To do that, they need someone with a bit more vision.



    Now that is thoughtful, astute and 'contributes' to the discussion! A far cry from calling Balmer, Monkey boy, which to me is juvenile and dismissive. Thanks LTMP
  • Reply 100 of 188
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RKRick View Post


    Ok just to be sure, he (DaHarder) could take another picture of all his rigs with with this thread on one of the laptop monitors.



    Not sure I understand, but the guy is obviously being truthful.
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