Microsoft's Steve Ballmer: 'Apple sold more iPads than I'd like them to sell'

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  • Reply 101 of 188
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Postulant View Post










    Signs of a true fanboi:



    2 iPads

    2 iPhone 4's

    iMac

    Macbook Air

    17 Macbook Pro

    Macbook

    iPod Touch

    Shuffle

    Nano

    2 iPod Classics



    Sorry, but it looks antithetical to the Apple paradigm. Too many wires/cables/pwr bricks not to mention keeping everything charged and updated. Granted, iSync and DropBox help but who wants a room/desk that looks like crap!



    I have one iPhone 4G, one iPad, and one MBA, no desktop, no external HD, (ala Time Capsule).



    I use DropBox and MobileMe (cloud), no cable modem or router, use ATT 3g and wifi when I'm out and about.



    A wireless Brother all-in-one printer/Fax/scanner/copier the odd time I want to print something on a dead tree...usually about once a week. And that's it. Oh, an AppleTV to listen to music while viewing photos on my flat screen TV.



    I consider myself an Apple fanboi, but I've given my old iPods to either my daughter or niece. I sell my old software/hardware on craigslist. And sell my iPhones for the price I paid ATT for them and it's a 'wash' to get the latest and greatest iPhone.



    Am I missing something? The last thing I want to do with my free time is either read a manual or figure out an electronic device with an arcane interface, i.e., digital picture frames, stand-a-lone GPS units, cameras, cable boxes, etc., etc.



    Life is too short and thanks to Apple and a little forethought on my part, I have more free time away from the techno gadgetry that seems to infect the Blackberry carrying, Windows using, 'Androids' amongst us that are on the 'Matrix!'



    Best!
  • Reply 102 of 188
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    The fact that Apple's stock is 10x that of Microsoft does not tell us anything. Stock prices can be high and market cap low, or vice versa.



    The only question is how the stock price looks relative to earnings (or more precisely, expected free cash flow), and what it tells us about the market's perception of a company's growth prospects.



    When all those are combined, it would seem that Apple is, indeed, viewed as a clearly superior company by the stock market.



    The bottom line is that five years ago today MSFT was selling at $26 per share - same as today. APPL was $48 per share and $258 today - don't care who's on top market cap wise (but guess who's ahead now). If you were an investor, where would you rather be?
  • Reply 103 of 188
    firefly7475firefly7475 Posts: 1,502member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Feynman View Post


    Face the facts. We won in another category.



  • Reply 104 of 188
    plovellplovell Posts: 824member
    bad things happen when <boom>
  • Reply 105 of 188
    gristangristan Posts: 25member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kung Fu Guy View Post


    Quit attacking Ballmer! He's done a excellent job for..............Apple! He should stay.



















    STAY, THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mr.





    INCOMPETENT LEADER OF ENEMY IS ALWAYS WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Reply 106 of 188
    In other news, fire is hot. Why is this news? Microsoft is and has been clueless for a long time. They're just shocked that the public finally found out that the emperor has no clothes. They figured they would ride the "Start me up" wave of good times till at least 2015. That's why Gates and a lot of senior people left. They figured there's no way Ballmer could blow such a huge lead on the competition. They figured Steve Jobs was suppressed after Macworld in 97 when Gates and the media made it sound like they were saving Apple. They figured that the DOJ wouldn't have much ammo if they can prop up a competitor.



    What's sad is that with all that money, time and talent, they never got the reason why Apple products were so much better than theirs. EIther that or they just didn't care and figured the public didn't either. I hate how some people think Apple's products are just for showing off. There are more and more people who own Apple stuff for the wrong reason and I think that Apple dumbed down the OS to accommodate them. Meanwhile Ballmer is smiling while they are laying the Microsoft coffin to rest.



    It's a good thing Ballmer wasn't a Roman or else that empire would have ended much sooner.
  • Reply 107 of 188
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Booga View Post


    Perhaps the ironic thing is that the .NET 4 Touch SDK is actually pretty decent, as is the C# language compared to Objective-C. Combine that with some rather nice database, connectivity, and kernel technology and there's really no technical reason why Microsoft SHOULDN'T be able to make a kick-ass touch device. What they appear to be utterly incompetent at is using technology to build an actual solution to consumer needs and integrating well into a consumer's life. They still seem driven by the feature checklist and battling their competitors rather than just building good stuff for people.



    Yes, but Ballmer wants Windows 7 on a Tablet, not their mobile OS. Windows 7 means having tablets with basically the specs of (at minimum) a cheap underpowered netbook running an OS designed for desktops with a keyboard and two-button mouse. If you want a thin & light tablet with long battery life & superior usability, this isn't the magic formula. In fact, this is a recipe for the exact opposite. Remember Project Origami? Microsoft has already tried this. All it does is make users wish they had a more powerful laptop with a real keyboard. And ironically, since the price bottom fell out of the PC laptop market, it's probably a better value to buy a decent laptop instead of a crippled Windows 7 tablet.



    This is Ballmer expecting a different result from the same strategy.
  • Reply 108 of 188
    plovellplovell Posts: 824member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dksmidtx View Post


    The bottom line is that five years ago today MSFT was selling at $26 per share - same as today. APPL was $48 per share and $258 today - don't care who's on top market cap wise (but guess who's ahead now). If you were an investor, where would you rather be?



    market price is nothing. Market trend is everything. What's significant is that MSFT is now where it was five years ago (and half of ten years ago). AAPL is now about five time its five-years-ago price.



    What's really sweet is that I have some that I bought at $24
  • Reply 109 of 188
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post








    A wireless Brother all-in-one printer/Fax/scanner/copier the odd time I want to print something on a dead tree...usually about once a week. And that's it. Oh, an AppleTV to listen to music while viewing photos on my flat screen TV.



    I consider myself an Apple fanboi, but I've given my old iPods to either my daughter or niece. I sell my old software/hardware on craigslist. And sell my iPhones for the price I paid ATT for them and it's a 'wash' to get the latest and greatest iPhone.




    Love my AppleTV - I never use it for music or photos, though.



    I can't seem to part with my iPods. The nano and shuffle are my gym companions, the Touch is mandatory and required for clinicals, and the Classics are storage devices.



    When I have kids, I'll probably pass them on, though.
  • Reply 110 of 188
    ozexigeozexige Posts: 215member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    You're Utterly Ridiculous (unsurprisingly).



    Suggestion: You might want to look closely at the pages/threads displayed on each of my devices...



    Hint: There's Your Proof -



    gee - Hilarious DaHarder



    [CENTER]" Childish Intimidation, Harassment, & Bullying Is Futile - Remember: Your View-Point Is Not The Only Perspective. "[/CENTER]



    (unsurprisingly)

    you're wrong about MSoft - they have an installed base of Business users for their version of Mac OSX (Win7 ?)



    HOWEVER - MSoft do not have the luxury of anything remotely approaching Apple's installed base of iPhone (zunePhone ?), iPad (courier ?) or iPod (zune ?) users.



    MSoft will NEVER make anything that will match Apple's user base in consumer electronics.



    AND



    Yeah - I mean - NEVER - EVER
  • Reply 111 of 188
    I object to people referring to me as "Baller." Stop it, please.
  • Reply 112 of 188
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Postulant View Post


    Love my AppleTV - I never use it for music or photos, though.



    I can't seem to part with my iPods. The nano and shuffle are my gym companions, the Touch is mandatory and required for clinicals, and the Classics are storage devices.



    When I have kids, I'll probably pass them on, though.



    Good to know...my daughter is in med school and only uses her MacBookPro 13" and her iPhone. She does, however, want an iPad, too. A little bit of overlap to be sure, but very, very 'mobile!'



    Yep, I miss my nano with the nike + on my arm for my runs and the gym. But, although the iPhone is a little bigger, I like that I don't have to put the 'connector' on the iPhone, like I did on the Nano...



    Plus, like I said, hate the extra cables, charging, updates, etc.



    Enjoyed your feedback!



    Best...



    You mentioned 'kids.' My daughter is the best thing I ever did...and she was easier than making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And I mean that in the most lighthearted and complimentary way. She is the best daughter a guy could ever have! Best of luck to you!



    PS. AppleTV...stream your photos of you and your friends over to your flat screen TV using the 'Ken Burns' effect...connect to a light Jazz internet radio station and it's as good as an aqaurium...My friends love to see photos of themselves. Just a suggestion. I think this is worth the price of admission to AppleTV in of itself!
  • Reply 113 of 188
    gristangristan Posts: 25member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    Oh Really... ?



    Then I Guess the Absolute Truth Is Tiresome Then, as here's a pic (taken only minutes ago) of my iMac 27/i7, MacBook Pro 13, iPad 64/WiFi+3g, Apple iPhone 3GS (work phone), iPod Nano/16gb, iPod Touch/64gb... etc.



    Understand, I own many more 'Apple' products, but this should be more than enough to make clear just how silly it is to make sweeping assumptions about matters for which you know absolutely nothing.







    Enjoy... as I sure do enjoy my iPad - ;-)















    IF, IF, IF Ya WERE TO HAVE GOT TO Apple PRODUCTS LIKE i-Phone 4 AND i-Pad, Ya REVEAL YaSELF " HOW DULL AND LACK OF IMAGINATION, INSPIRATION AND PROFOUND INSIGHT ", SHAME YaSELF, AMEN HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Reply 114 of 188
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bfulda View Post


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    Thank you for contributing to the discussion!



    Sheez!
  • Reply 115 of 188
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


    Conversely... as the rather content owner/user of an Apple iPad 64/WiFi+3g, I can honestly say that it's really just an enlarged, overpriced iPod Touch lacking the convenience of being pocketable.



    You're post is somewhat contradictory, if the iPad is nothing more than "overpriced" iPod touch then why keep it? It's just an enlarged iPod touch, you could have returned it you know? You sound rather disappointed and unhappy in your purchase, why not only buy the top of the line, but also keep something that seems to be a waste of your money? You sound a little like the iPhone 4 complainers, but won't return it for a full refund.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post


    Here is a very thoughtful article on Balmer/MS from today's WSJ...



    It's rather short as far as WSJ articles go (good news for some on this board), very informative and I would really recommend it.



    Plus, the 'monkey boy' insults are somewhat sophomoric and very tiresome!



    Correct me if i am wrong, but you say the 'monkey boy' comments are sophomore, yes? Yet, it reads like you are subliminally insulting some of the readers here by suggesting they can only digest short news articles?! As if to say some readers here have short attention spans or are not intelligent or patient enough to read a long article. Am I wrong in this or are you simply guilty of the same sophomoric comments just done in a passive-aggressive way? I am not being a smart-ass, but that is how I read your comment.
  • Reply 116 of 188
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mesomorphicman View Post


    You're post is somewhat contradictory, if the iPad is nothing more than "overpriced" iPod touch then why do keep it? It's just an enlarged iPod touch, you could have returned it you know? You sound rather disappointed and unhappy in your purchase, why not only buy the top of the line, but also keep something seems to be a waste?



    Everything in this world is a 'compromise' of sorts, and when it comes to the iPad, the ability to have all of my ZINIO subscriptions (I've been using the service since I purchased my first tablet PC, the Hp/Compaq TC, in 2003) readily available at any given moment on a device this convenient, and with such outstanding battery autonomy, more than justifies its presence in my (admittedly diverse) electronics arsenal.



    As for my selecting the 'the top of the line' version, it's always my policy to buy nothing but the absolute most well-equiped version available of any and everything I purchase, that way there's never any regret as to what I could have bought.



    That's About It!
  • Reply 117 of 188
    mytdavemytdave Posts: 447member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by icyfog View Post


    Ha! Take that Steve Ballmer.

    I lost interest in Netbooks when manufacturers starting using Windows. Had they stayed on the Linux path, I would have one already. Instead two years later, I have an iPad now.



    Exactly! PC OEMs were foolish to let M$ trick them into bungling Windoze again. I too was *this* close to buying a netbook, but at the moment Lenovo released the model with the exact feature set I wanted, it was released with Winblows only instead of Linux. So I said 'sorry, no thanks.'



    I've been doing without an ultra-portable device for over a year now because of this, and I'm happy to report that my $ will be going to a new iPad next month.



    I guess in a way I should thank M$ for screwing OEMs again, cause now I'll be buying a cool iPad, when I would have already spent the money on a so-so tiny laptop.
  • Reply 118 of 188
    daharderdaharder Posts: 1,580member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mytdave View Post


    Exactly! PC OEMs were foolish to let M$ trick them into bungling Windoze again. I too was *this* close to buying a netbook, but at the moment Lenovo released the model with the exact feature set I wanted, it was released with Winblows only instead of Linux. So I said 'sorry, no thanks.'



    I've been doing without an ultra-portable device for over a year now because of this, and I'm happy to report that my $ will be going to a new iPad next month.



    I guess in a way I should thank M$ for screwing OEMs again, cause now I'll be buying a cool iPad, when I would have already spent the money on a so-so tiny laptop.



    Hmmm...



    Are you unaware that LINUX (depending on the distribution) can be installed on virtually any computer?



    I'd reason that if anyone is even drawn to something as 'open sourced' as LINUX, they'll find Apple's iPad pretty unbearable.



    Who Knows...
  • Reply 119 of 188
    firefly7475firefly7475 Posts: 1,502member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dksmidtx View Post


    The bottom line is that five years ago today MSFT was selling at $26 per share - same as today. APPL was $48 per share and $258 today - don't care who's on top market cap wise (but guess who's ahead now). If you were an investor, where would you rather be?



    5 years ago the obvious answer would be Apple, but today... I'm not so sure. If I was playing with money from someone else I'd probably try to ride the Apple wave and get off at the right time... if I were investing my own money between Apple and Microsoft... I'd probably choose the bank.



    The phenomenal rise in Apple's stock price is tied to their ability to keep creating growth markets. The iPod and iPhone have both lost the momentum they had and the iPad will only carry them for another 1 or 2 years. After that they need to create another market similar to the iPod/iPhone/iPad in order to maintain the same stock growth.



    They might be able to do it... but it would sure feel like a gamble.
  • Reply 120 of 188
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mesomorphicman View Post


    Correct me if i am wrong, but you say the 'monkey boy' comments are sophomore, yes? Yet, it reads like you are subliminally insulting some of the readers here by suggesting they can only digest short news articles?! As if to say some readers here have short attention spans or are not intelligent or patient enough to read a long article. Am I wrong in this or are you simply guilty of the same sophomoric comments just done in a passive-aggressive way? I am not being a smart-ass, but that is how I read your comment.



    Not to be too dismissive but it's called 'prose!' Which is to say, your comments of my comments are as similar as 'two dissimilar thingies in a pod!' Any effrontery was directed at the yobbos calling other people names and certainly not to someone as erudite as you!



    Best
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