European Union joins FTC investigation into Apple's opposition of Flash

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  • Reply 141 of 238
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by donarb View Post


    Where is the OFFICIAL flash player from Adobe? You know the one that doesn't require you to jailbreak your phone? Doesn't exist. So however many videos or links you post, doesn't mean anything.



    Frash is composed of the official code from adobe's flash for android version 10.1. No it's not officially sanctioned by apple or adobe but it is real FLASH. You can deny it all you like but that doesn't make your slanted perspective true.
  • Reply 141 of 238
    donarbdonarb Posts: 52member
    Where's the FTC on Google's refusal to allow a Easy Root to be sold in the Android Store? I thought the Droid was open and free (well not exactly free now with that Verizon deal).
  • Reply 143 of 238
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DrFreeman View Post


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    If Adobe believes that Flash is such a good piece of software, why don't they try making it into a standalone OS that runs a mobile phone! Surely that would solve this problem










    Har! Adobe will never do that! That proves everything we've always said!
  • Reply 144 of 238
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


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    Lord, protect us from the bureaucrats and politicians who strive to protect us from ourselves!








    Amen. We have Apple to protect us. They don't sell any crappy cross-compiled software in the App Store. That way, we can't choose crappy software for Apple's phones.



    We don't need any bureaucrats to "protect" us from bad software. We have Steve thankyouverymuch.
  • Reply 145 of 238
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    Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post


    The EU is now in on it? Good luck Apple. They don't tend to be nice to big, market leading companies.



    Man am I glad the US doesn't belong to the EU. We all know how this is going to end.



    1. Forcing Apple to include Flash by default on iOS.

    2. Forcing Apple to remove HTML5 support and direct users towards manually installing support for HTML5 or Flash.



    It's so ridiculous that Adobe's argument is even being considered.



    They have no working version of Flash for iPhone

    Flash itself is a proprietary platform, talk about hypocrites.

    You can already port flash apps to HTML5 and any HTML5 page could be formatted for iPhone, which a user can then save as an app!



    I'm so sick of Adobe's crap, Apple needs to just buy them out.
  • Reply 146 of 238
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Marvin View Post


    Yeah, let's see how they figure out that a single company with proprietary products controlling a vast majority of important online media (in excess of 75% of all online video) is somehow being victimized by Apple because they favor open standards that are accessible to everyone.







    I know. Apple just wants its software written with tools that are open standards, accessible to everyone. Apple would never accept software written using proprietary tools. Not now, not ever.
  • Reply 147 of 238
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
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    Originally Posted by gotApple View Post


    Yes, it runs pretty well on my Nexus One. Your iPhone doesn't have the CPU to run it? That sucks... I'm here playing some sweet, free, flash games.



    Only 0.01% of phones can run Flash. I wouldn't want it anywhere near my phone, however, since I don't watch porno.
  • Reply 148 of 238
    asianbobasianbob Posts: 797member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    Amen. We have Apple to protect us. They don't sell any crappy cross-compiled software in the App Store. That way, we can't choose crappy software for Apple's phones.



    We don't need any bureaucrats to "protect" us from bad software. We have Steve thankyouverymuch.



    So you're going to let one man decide what's good for you forever? What ever happened to taking a little incentive to decide for yourselves?





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    Only 0.01% of phones can run Flash. I wouldn't want it anywhere near my phone, however, since I don't watch porno.



    79% of statistics are made up on the spot. 86% of the time.
  • Reply 149 of 238
    When Appleinsider next posts something about the Adobe/Apple/FTC thing, can you just copy the discussion from the previous posting each time? This forum is repeating exactly what was said a couple of days ago.
  • Reply 150 of 238
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,570member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SendMe View Post


    Amen. We have Apple to protect us. They don't sell any crappy cross-compiled software in the App Store. That way, we can't choose crappy software for Apple's phones.



    We don't need any bureaucrats to "protect" us from bad software. We have Steve thankyouverymuch.



    Don't you have anything better to do with your time, tekstud? Apparently not.
  • Reply 151 of 238
    orlandoorlando Posts: 601member
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    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    More BS. cross-compilers/meta-platforms are never the best tools for the job unless your objective is to churn out crap and turn a quick buck with the least effort possible. Your assertion is like claiming vice grips are sometimes the best tool for changing a tire. Only if there are no other tools, and in this case there are.



    Using a vice grip to change a tire???? What are you talking about? Changing a tire with a vice grip is stupid but that does not mean we should ban all vice grips as there are jobs where vice grips do make sense to use.



    Cross compilers/meta platforms can be extremely useful if the application does not need to access the bare metal of the machine. There are plenty of applications were raw performance is not the most important thing.



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    And no, it shouldn't be left up to the market to decide what Apple can do with it's platform in the future and be constrained by tons of crapware. That's a recipe for their being nothing in the world but crap. Maybe that would make people who have no sense of what quality is happy, but some of us would like to see less crap in the world.



    Crap gets dealt with naturally by the market. Apps that are crap (and there are plenty of them already on the AppStore) get low ratings and are pushed to the bottom. Competition leads to better quality as developers have to continually improve or they will be out sold by rival developers. If apps created with Flash-to-iPhone are crap and don't sell then developers won't use it. It is as simple as that. There is no need for Apple to step in and try to regulate things.
  • Reply 152 of 238
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,570member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Orlando View Post


    Using a vice grip to change a tire???? What are you talking about? Changing a tire with a vice grip is stupid...



    No stupider than using a Flash based meta-platform for iOS development.



    Quote:

    Crap gets dealt with naturally by the market. Apps that are crap (and there are plenty of them already on the AppStore) get low ratings and are pushed to the bottom. Competition leads to better quality as developers have to continually improve or they will be out sold by rival developers. If apps created with Flash-to-iPhone are crap and don't sell then developers won't use it. It is as simple as that. There is no need for Apple to step in and try to regulate things.



    Yeah, tell that to the mechanic after you've used that vice grip on your lug nuts and you want him to get them off.



    And what happens to those consumers who bought those apps, even if they are a small number, when those apps stop working because of an OS update, and Adobe has other priorities than updating their tool -- the next version will be out in 6 months as part of CSn, which may produce apps that work with whatever version of iOS is out by then, or it may only produce them working on the previous version. Adobe doesn't give a damn, and the hacks that produced the things don't give a damn, because they already got their money and they know that Apple will end up taking the heat for other people's laziness. Very convenient for Adobe and the hacks.



    If you want to develop for the platform, make money off it, then take responsibility for your development efforts, and if that task is beyond you, if you can't write an app with the native development tools, find a new job.
  • Reply 153 of 238
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    And I'm really tired seeing crap be successful. I mean crap like Android and everything else Google does. I mean crap like Flash. And I mean crap like Windows, which even on its best day wasn't half as good as Mac OS on its worst. Crap like IE that destroyed Netscape. And the idea of a company, which is not a monopoly, which has never based it's business on "crushing competitors" but simply on making the best products they can, being forced to allow crap to get in the way of trying to make that product the best product in its class just makes my blood boil. Apple isn't being anti-competitive. They are just trying to be actually competitive, while at the same time making the best effing smartphone the world has ever seen or likely ever will over the next 10 years or more.



    There's just way too much crap in the world already, and way too many people trying to make it all we can have.



    People think that right and wrong are absolute. That everything that isn't perfectly right is totally wrong. All of the companies and products you named have both good and bad attributes. Just as you have many good comments but also a few that make us wonder if you're about to go postal on us.
  • Reply 154 of 238
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post


    You say it's within Apple's rights to dictate how the iPhone is used. What if they next did the same thing for Mac computers? All in the interest of give you a better user experience and protecting you from "crap." You could only buy the apps Apple approves and you have to get them from Apple. I'm pretty sure you and everyone else here would go ape-sh*t if they tried that.

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    Actually, many of us wish that Apple would protect us like that. We can choose to only buy all our software from Apple directly, but the added layer of protection would be just like we enjoy on the iPad. Me, personally, I wish that the Mac could only download and install software that is sold by Apple.
  • Reply 155 of 238
    Except, WHO CARES -- I do not miss Flash even a bit on my iPhones...
  • Reply 156 of 238
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Berp View Post


    Flash, like tobacco and carbon, is a hooker. You crave for it and it's killing you.





    Naw. Flash just crashes Macs. It doesn't kill them. Just reboot and you are ready to go.
  • Reply 157 of 238
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
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    Originally Posted by libertyforall View Post


    Except, WHO CARES -- I do not miss Flash even a bit on my iPhones...





    Nor do I and I develop in Flash. Phones are too small, underpowered, and have limited battery storage to handle Flash which by it's very nature and complexity is a beast for power consumption and CPU usage. It is only useful on the desktop. Flash developers need to learn how to provide alternate content for these devices and their clients need to realize that it costs money to do everything twice or three times due to incompatibilities between various platforms.
  • Reply 158 of 238
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,570member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mstone View Post


    People think that right and wrong are absolute. That everything that isn't perfectly right is totally wrong. All of the companies and products you named have both good and bad attributes. Just as you have many good comments but also a few that make us wonder if you're about to go postal on us.



    Yeah, well, people who want everything to be equally crappy, just so they can make a buck is an issue worth getting upset about. Anyone who gives a damn ought to be upset, very upset, if they're still alive.
  • Reply 159 of 238
    orlandoorlando Posts: 601member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    No stupider than using a Flash based meta-platform for iOS development.



    There are plenty of small apps that could just as easily been created with a Flash-to-iPhone convertor and there'd be no difference as far as the user is concerned.



    All this does is restrict the range of tools that developers can use.
  • Reply 160 of 238
    sendmesendme Posts: 567member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post


    Frankly it is a strong indication that the regulators are either stupid or mentally ill.

    Dave





    Somebody else thought of a third possibility - these beureauocrats know nothing about technology. They think that Flash is some sort of a web browser.
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