Apple can blame themselves for Android's explosion. Had they come out with an iPhone for other networks two years ago, they would have prevented a lot of the sales of Android phones. I am not saying that Android would not have been a viable and profitable platform, I just don't think it would be as big today as it is if the iPhone was available on other carriers.
Apple screwed up on this one. They have a large portion of the smartphone market, but they could of had a lot more.
I predicted Android would become the default commodity smartphone, while Apple would retain the high-end position, however Apple risks eventual permanent second place status unless they soon end the artificial throttling of demand with their at&t exclusive. I'm sure many of us have been impatiently waiting for our provider of choice to carry the iPhone and have been sorely disappointed every year that passes with no change.
The reason why Android users like myself say the phone is "okay" is because Apple fans often get over excited about their products. I am happy with Windows 7 but I didn't stand in line to get it when it was released, like Apple fans do when a new version of OSX is release.
I would never stand in line for 13 hours like they did at the Mall of GA to get an iPhone.
You tend to find exccessive behavior with Apple only users. Those of us that use Apple products along with other procducts tend to be shall I say more level headed when it comes to how excited we get about technology.
I have many Apple products I use a MBP daily and I use an Evo daily. I have about the same reaction to both, they both do exactly what I expect them do and that is all I care about.
Good analysis. That's very true. The only thing I'd add is that that is some of the Apple magic--that they can make you feel bursting with excitement over the simple fact that they made a battery charger. Buying Apple a lot of times is being like a kid--you get excited over the littlest things. You find a little joy in life, and I think that's a good thing. They have a tendency to turn even the dullest people into fanatical supporters. Very interesting.
I love the 3GS as a budget phone but a 3GS vs say a $99 Evo 4G or Droid X is an extremely tough sell.
You will see an explosion of sales initially from the people who wouldnt switch to AT&T, but sales from AT&T will drop while boosting on other carriers. Its going to grow but its not going to stop Android at all. Apple is bursting at the seams in areas they recently expanded to, but on carriers where they offer both Android and Apple devices, its been a wash.
Apple can blame themselves for Android's explosion. Had they come out with an iPhone for other networks two years ago, they would have prevented a lot of the sales of Android phones. I am not saying that Android would not have been a viable and profitable platform, I just don't think it would be as big today as it is if the iPhone was available on other carriers.
Apple screwed up on this one. They have a large portion of the smartphone market, but they could of had a lot more.
Even if the iPhone were to appear on Verizon, Apple would still lose the market share race. Apple doesn't license iOS, you can only get iOS on an iPhone. Android on the other hand is available on many different handsets. There's no way Apple could compete - no way.
As for blaming themselves, Apple is apparently content with their market share, as their business model is the same with OS X. They haven't screwed up, they do very well for themselves.
Good analysis. That's very true. The only thing I'd add is that that is some of the Apple magic--that they can make you feel bursting with excitement over the simple fact that they made a battery charger. Buying Apple a lot of times is being like a kid--you get excited over the littlest things. You find a little joy in life, and I think that's a good thing. They have a tendency to turn even the dullest people into fanatical supporters. Very interesting.
Well I won't lie, when the iPad was first introduced I thought it was going to fail because I didn't really see a need for the product. I have one now and I find I use it more then just about anything else.
I still wish it had certain feature and hopefully it wil as the product matures. I guess for me I have been in technology since I was 19, I am now going to be 43 so having worked in the business for a few decades and always having to carry about cell phones, beepers and laptops the excitement tends to wear off..lol.
You will see an explosion of sales initially from the people who wouldnt switch to AT&T, but sales from AT&T will drop while boosting on other carriers. Its going to grow but its not going to stop Android at all. Apple is bursting at the seams in areas they recently expanded to, but on carriers where they offer both Android and Apple devices, its been a wash.
Funny thing is Android succes comes from the fact its almost a copycat of the iOs. Whats even funnier is Android was there BEFORE iOs but failed to make it to market. Its like the GUI interface, Apple didnt invented it, but it sure made it the standard by pushing it over years. Apple didnt invent tablet computers, but it made it a successful category.
Apple is the king of at taking something and making it something people will want to buy.
Well I won't lie, when the iPad was first introduced I thought it was going to fail because I didn't really see a need for the product. I have one now and I find I use it more then just about anything else.
I still wish it had certain feature and hopefully it wil as the product matures. I guess for me I have been in technology since I was 19, I am now going to be 43 so having worked in the business for a few decades and always having to carry about cell phones, beepers and laptops the excitement tends to wear off..lol.
Nice. I'm 19 now and have an iPad as well. I do really want a USB port for jump drives. It would be easy to make an interface for it, as it would work just like the iPad camera connection kit and show you what files are available, with an "Open in" dialogue in the preview of each document/image/spreadsheet. Give me that simple functionality, a camera for Skype, and printing capability (built-in) and I have nothing to complain about. Seriously, I don't have any other major needs. It works great as it is now, and I can't wait to use it at college, in a week when I leave.
Best thing about iPad = battery life. (12 hours with WiFi on is killer)
I predicted Android would become the default commodity smartphone, while Apple would retain the high-end position, however Apple risks eventual permanent second place status unless they soon end the artificial throttling of demand with their at&t exclusive. I'm sure many of us have been impatiently waiting for our provider of choice to carry the iPhone and have been sorely disappointed every year that passes with no change.
Again. Tell me what makes the iPhone highend compared to the Evo, Incredible and Droid X. The plans are pretty much the same and all the above phones cost exactly the same as the iPhone.
Also the iPhone has been out for more then 2 years so why would anyone have to wait for their provider to carry the iPhone. Should I call ATT and see if they are turning down new customers?
When the iPhone first came out the premium could at least hold water that isn't true anymore. Consumers are deciding to go with the high end Android phones and it has nothing to do with cost because the cost of ownership is exactly the same as the iPhone.
Nice. I'm 19 now and have an iPad as well. I do really want a USB port for jump drives. It would be easy to make an interface for it, as it would work just like the iPad camera connection kit and show you what files are available, with an "Open in" dialogue in the preview of each document/image/spreadsheet. Give me that simple functionality, a camera for Skype, and printing capability (built-in) and I have nothing to complain about. Seriously, I don't have any other major needs. It works great as it is now, and I can't wait to use it at college, in a week when I leave.
Best thing about iPad = battery life. (12 hours with WiFi on is killer)
One thing I find interesting is the new iPhone comes with two cams and the rumors are the new Touch will also so you can use Facetime. Hopefully that will be next for the iPad.
Multitasking is really what I am waiting for in 4.0 and I would still like to see Apple and Adobe work out the Flash issue. Not that I am holding my breath on that one.
Wifi is great on the iPad I get about 30mbps on the download and over 2mbps upload. Its very fast.
I think the biggest reason people are purchasing Android phones is that iPhone is in it's third year, and it's probably the most exposed phone ever. I think people sometimes just want something different than what they have known for the past 3 years. It may even be that people who have an iPod Touch want to try something else for a phone.
He likes to bash other companies like Google, Adobe, Microsoft so when something cmes out that doesn't look right everyone is going to jump on Apple. So maybe he should learn to shut his mouth once and a while.
Because not one executive from those other companies has ever said anything bad about Apple or its products. The sh!t is slung from all sides. Just as any other executive from a large corporation, he's got to sell his company over the competition.
I didn't say the press was reporting false news. Your point was to why the press was reporting so many problems with the iPhone. There certainly are problems with other phones that are not as heavily reported. The reason is because the iPhone is the one most people care about.
Despite the "perception" that the iPhone 4 has a serious problem, demand has still out paced supply. They are essentially on back order.
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True. But when was the last time you saw Steve Jobs hold a press conference and then give away something to millions of users for no reason at all? You don'[t even have to prove you have a problem you simply get a free bumper.
Which to the press and many users only confirms there is a problem. In many cases perception is the ony reality that truly matters.
With all that being said I really don't think the iPhone has any major design flaw. No more then any othe smartphone.
It’s about time, Android. You have a GSM-only iPhone from one vendor that only sells a premium product. This should have happened last year, IMO, and I think it would have had vendors and carriers using Android OS not focused on teenage boys and had instead focused on devices and and OS that suited the average consumer. Thankfully, that is now happening with these new Android phones and hopefully for you 3.0 will push closer to iOS and BB OS (and presumably WP7) because I think a good portion of your lead will be killed these last two quarters of the year with the iPhone 4 release and an assumed CDMA iPhone.
Android should also be ahead of RiM right now, too. Sure, they have GSM and CDMA phones across all major carriers with a variety of price points, but they are still one vendor and still highly focused on the Enterprise. A year ago I would have expected Android to be trailing Nokia’s Symbian. Just because Android is growing rapidly, doesn’t mean they aren’t buggering up their growth rate
Neglecting the US entirely (taking 1/3 of Android sales out the equation or 3.5 million from Gartner, and the 2.7 million AT&T activated for iPhones from their quarter report) that leaves roughly 7 million Android devices and 6 million iPhones.
Thats roughly 50 something carriers that sell the iPhone and a Android devices worldwide, its not a landslide of a difference to be honest.
Despite the "perception" that the iPhone 4 has a serious problem, demand has still out paced supply. They are essentially on back order.
Which is going to get old now that Apple is suppose to be the leading tech company. Remember the iPhone isn't the new kid on the block anymore and while it gets upgraded the Android phones have greatly narrowed the gap. I still like iOS better then Android but for many if they can't get an iPhone they will say what the hell let me give Android a try.
Thats pretty much what I did. I own a MBP, iPad, iPod Touch and my wife and daughter both have 27" iMac. So for me an iPhone seemed a bit redundant.
What I am surprised about is how well Google is doing with Android because I think they have been pretty lazy with the entire OS.
My daugher has a 3GS and she keeps holding out fort the white iPhone 4 and I think she has a better chance of seeing the loch ness monster.
It?s about time, Android. You have a GSM-only iPhone from one vendor that only sells a premium product. This should have happened last year, IMO, and I think it would have had vendors and carriers using Android OS not focused on teenage boys and had instead focused on devices and and OS that suited the average consumer. Thankfully, that is now happening with these new Android phones and hopefully for you 3.0 will push closer to iOS and BB OS (and presumably WP7) because I think a good portion of your lead will be killed these last two quarters of the year with the iPhone 4 release and an assumed CDMA iPhone.
Android should also be ahead of RiM right now, too. Sure, they have GSM and CDMA phones across all major carriers with a variety of price points, but they are still one vendor and still highly focused on the Enterprise. A year ago I would have expected Android to be trailing Nokia?s Symbian. Just because Android is growing rapidly, doesn?t mean they aren?t buggering up their growth rate
Google has been extremely lazy with Android I was just posting how I am shocked they are doing so well even now. Its only been the last year they have become serious about Android if you can even call it that and only the last year or should I say three months decent phones have become available (Evo, Incredible, Droid X).
I mean hell Google aquired Android five years ago last month.
Good for Android, but note that the percentage gain in Android market share corresponds almost 1-to-1 with the loss of Symbian and Windows share. RiM also lost share. Since iOS's share still rose, I'll begin to worry only when Android (or some future system) actually eats away at Apple's business. Since the iPhone by phone standards is already a fairly mature product in comparison to Android, I don't see this as a sea change for Apple. If I were Nokia, though, it'd be a whole different story ... and not really looking like one with a happy ending.
Hardware isn't everything. First, most of their phones aren't that spectacular in the hardware department. They use the age old method of "X.X Gigahertz Processor!" and push other things that distract the buyer from the facts like cheap touchscreen that's not very responsive. not a iPod device, app store sucks, skinned interfaces lack consistency and slow the phone down...
The iPhone is a complete experience. It's an iPod, a phone, and does apps. It has a great app store, lots of quality professionally designed apps, iTunes connectivity, centralized control over firmware upgrades, yada yada yada.
I think when a CDMA phone comes out, and Verizon gets it, a lot of Droid users will dump their phones for it. Many would-be iPhone users are using Droids because they simply refused to leave their network for garbage AT&T. Those people will jump ship immediately.
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Apple screwed up on this one. They have a large portion of the smartphone market, but they could of had a lot more.
The reason why Android users like myself say the phone is "okay" is because Apple fans often get over excited about their products. I am happy with Windows 7 but I didn't stand in line to get it when it was released, like Apple fans do when a new version of OSX is release.
I would never stand in line for 13 hours like they did at the Mall of GA to get an iPhone.
You tend to find exccessive behavior with Apple only users. Those of us that use Apple products along with other procducts tend to be shall I say more level headed when it comes to how excited we get about technology.
I have many Apple products I use a MBP daily and I use an Evo daily. I have about the same reaction to both, they both do exactly what I expect them do and that is all I care about.
Good analysis. That's very true. The only thing I'd add is that that is some of the Apple magic--that they can make you feel bursting with excitement over the simple fact that they made a battery charger. Buying Apple a lot of times is being like a kid--you get excited over the littlest things. You find a little joy in life, and I think that's a good thing. They have a tendency to turn even the dullest people into fanatical supporters. Very interesting.
I love the 3GS as a budget phone but a 3GS vs say a $99 Evo 4G or Droid X is an extremely tough sell.
You will see an explosion of sales initially from the people who wouldnt switch to AT&T, but sales from AT&T will drop while boosting on other carriers. Its going to grow but its not going to stop Android at all. Apple is bursting at the seams in areas they recently expanded to, but on carriers where they offer both Android and Apple devices, its been a wash.
Can you name me one such carrier?
Apple can blame themselves for Android's explosion. Had they come out with an iPhone for other networks two years ago, they would have prevented a lot of the sales of Android phones. I am not saying that Android would not have been a viable and profitable platform, I just don't think it would be as big today as it is if the iPhone was available on other carriers.
Apple screwed up on this one. They have a large portion of the smartphone market, but they could of had a lot more.
Even if the iPhone were to appear on Verizon, Apple would still lose the market share race. Apple doesn't license iOS, you can only get iOS on an iPhone. Android on the other hand is available on many different handsets. There's no way Apple could compete - no way.
As for blaming themselves, Apple is apparently content with their market share, as their business model is the same with OS X. They haven't screwed up, they do very well for themselves.
Good analysis. That's very true. The only thing I'd add is that that is some of the Apple magic--that they can make you feel bursting with excitement over the simple fact that they made a battery charger. Buying Apple a lot of times is being like a kid--you get excited over the littlest things. You find a little joy in life, and I think that's a good thing. They have a tendency to turn even the dullest people into fanatical supporters. Very interesting.
Well I won't lie, when the iPad was first introduced I thought it was going to fail because I didn't really see a need for the product. I have one now and I find I use it more then just about anything else.
I still wish it had certain feature and hopefully it wil as the product matures. I guess for me I have been in technology since I was 19, I am now going to be 43 so having worked in the business for a few decades and always having to carry about cell phones, beepers and laptops the excitement tends to wear off..lol.
You will see an explosion of sales initially from the people who wouldnt switch to AT&T, but sales from AT&T will drop while boosting on other carriers. Its going to grow but its not going to stop Android at all. Apple is bursting at the seams in areas they recently expanded to, but on carriers where they offer both Android and Apple devices, its been a wash.
Funny thing is Android succes comes from the fact its almost a copycat of the iOs. Whats even funnier is Android was there BEFORE iOs but failed to make it to market. Its like the GUI interface, Apple didnt invented it, but it sure made it the standard by pushing it over years. Apple didnt invent tablet computers, but it made it a successful category.
Apple is the king of at taking something and making it something people will want to buy.
Well I won't lie, when the iPad was first introduced I thought it was going to fail because I didn't really see a need for the product. I have one now and I find I use it more then just about anything else.
I still wish it had certain feature and hopefully it wil as the product matures. I guess for me I have been in technology since I was 19, I am now going to be 43 so having worked in the business for a few decades and always having to carry about cell phones, beepers and laptops the excitement tends to wear off..lol.
Nice. I'm 19 now and have an iPad as well. I do really want a USB port for jump drives. It would be easy to make an interface for it, as it would work just like the iPad camera connection kit and show you what files are available, with an "Open in" dialogue in the preview of each document/image/spreadsheet. Give me that simple functionality, a camera for Skype, and printing capability (built-in) and I have nothing to complain about. Seriously, I don't have any other major needs. It works great as it is now, and I can't wait to use it at college, in a week when I leave.
Best thing about iPad = battery life. (12 hours with WiFi on is killer)
I predicted Android would become the default commodity smartphone, while Apple would retain the high-end position, however Apple risks eventual permanent second place status unless they soon end the artificial throttling of demand with their at&t exclusive. I'm sure many of us have been impatiently waiting for our provider of choice to carry the iPhone and have been sorely disappointed every year that passes with no change.
Again. Tell me what makes the iPhone highend compared to the Evo, Incredible and Droid X. The plans are pretty much the same and all the above phones cost exactly the same as the iPhone.
Also the iPhone has been out for more then 2 years so why would anyone have to wait for their provider to carry the iPhone. Should I call ATT and see if they are turning down new customers?
When the iPhone first came out the premium could at least hold water that isn't true anymore. Consumers are deciding to go with the high end Android phones and it has nothing to do with cost because the cost of ownership is exactly the same as the iPhone.
but on carriers where they offer both Android and Apple devices, its been a wash.
Nice. I'm 19 now and have an iPad as well. I do really want a USB port for jump drives. It would be easy to make an interface for it, as it would work just like the iPad camera connection kit and show you what files are available, with an "Open in" dialogue in the preview of each document/image/spreadsheet. Give me that simple functionality, a camera for Skype, and printing capability (built-in) and I have nothing to complain about. Seriously, I don't have any other major needs. It works great as it is now, and I can't wait to use it at college, in a week when I leave.
Best thing about iPad = battery life. (12 hours with WiFi on is killer)
One thing I find interesting is the new iPhone comes with two cams and the rumors are the new Touch will also so you can use Facetime. Hopefully that will be next for the iPad.
Multitasking is really what I am waiting for in 4.0 and I would still like to see Apple and Adobe work out the Flash issue. Not that I am holding my breath on that one.
Wifi is great on the iPad I get about 30mbps on the download and over 2mbps upload. Its very fast.
He likes to bash other companies like Google, Adobe, Microsoft so when something cmes out that doesn't look right everyone is going to jump on Apple. So maybe he should learn to shut his mouth once and a while.
Because not one executive from those other companies has ever said anything bad about Apple or its products. The sh!t is slung from all sides. Just as any other executive from a large corporation, he's got to sell his company over the competition.
Despite the "perception" that the iPhone 4 has a serious problem, demand has still out paced supply. They are essentially on back order.
True. But when was the last time you saw Steve Jobs hold a press conference and then give away something to millions of users for no reason at all? You don'[t even have to prove you have a problem you simply get a free bumper.
Which to the press and many users only confirms there is a problem. In many cases perception is the ony reality that truly matters.
With all that being said I really don't think the iPhone has any major design flaw. No more then any othe smartphone.
Android should also be ahead of RiM right now, too. Sure, they have GSM and CDMA phones across all major carriers with a variety of price points, but they are still one vendor and still highly focused on the Enterprise. A year ago I would have expected Android to be trailing Nokia’s Symbian. Just because Android is growing rapidly, doesn’t mean they aren’t buggering up their growth rate
Can you name me one such carrier?
Its only rough thinking.
Neglecting the US entirely (taking 1/3 of Android sales out the equation or 3.5 million from Gartner, and the 2.7 million AT&T activated for iPhones from their quarter report) that leaves roughly 7 million Android devices and 6 million iPhones.
Thats roughly 50 something carriers that sell the iPhone and a Android devices worldwide, its not a landslide of a difference to be honest.
Despite the "perception" that the iPhone 4 has a serious problem, demand has still out paced supply. They are essentially on back order.
Which is going to get old now that Apple is suppose to be the leading tech company. Remember the iPhone isn't the new kid on the block anymore and while it gets upgraded the Android phones have greatly narrowed the gap. I still like iOS better then Android but for many if they can't get an iPhone they will say what the hell let me give Android a try.
Thats pretty much what I did. I own a MBP, iPad, iPod Touch and my wife and daughter both have 27" iMac. So for me an iPhone seemed a bit redundant.
What I am surprised about is how well Google is doing with Android because I think they have been pretty lazy with the entire OS.
My daugher has a 3GS and she keeps holding out fort the white iPhone 4 and I think she has a better chance of seeing the loch ness monster.
It?s about time, Android. You have a GSM-only iPhone from one vendor that only sells a premium product. This should have happened last year, IMO, and I think it would have had vendors and carriers using Android OS not focused on teenage boys and had instead focused on devices and and OS that suited the average consumer. Thankfully, that is now happening with these new Android phones and hopefully for you 3.0 will push closer to iOS and BB OS (and presumably WP7) because I think a good portion of your lead will be killed these last two quarters of the year with the iPhone 4 release and an assumed CDMA iPhone.
Android should also be ahead of RiM right now, too. Sure, they have GSM and CDMA phones across all major carriers with a variety of price points, but they are still one vendor and still highly focused on the Enterprise. A year ago I would have expected Android to be trailing Nokia?s Symbian. Just because Android is growing rapidly, doesn?t mean they aren?t buggering up their growth rate
Google has been extremely lazy with Android I was just posting how I am shocked they are doing so well even now. Its only been the last year they have become serious about Android if you can even call it that and only the last year or should I say three months decent phones have become available (Evo, Incredible, Droid X).
I mean hell Google aquired Android five years ago last month.
The iPhone is a complete experience. It's an iPod, a phone, and does apps. It has a great app store, lots of quality professionally designed apps, iTunes connectivity, centralized control over firmware upgrades, yada yada yada.
I think when a CDMA phone comes out, and Verizon gets it, a lot of Droid users will dump their phones for it. Many would-be iPhone users are using Droids because they simply refused to leave their network for garbage AT&T. Those people will jump ship immediately.