Android-based smartphone shipments leapfrog Apple's iPhone

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  • Reply 161 of 351
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post


    It doesn't matter if it's on the iPhone, iPad, Ubuntu, Windows, or the Mac. Fact is, Apple had them first, and really popularized them with the Dashboard in OS X. Android is merely copying...



    Whatever floats your boat. Fine Android copied it. Now the question is, after 4 iterations of their mobile OS why has Apple not been able to implement their own 1984 technology on the platform?



    And it's not like there's no demand for this stuff. People are jailbreaking just to get desktop/widget functionality. Don't tell me that if a facebook or twitter widget came out on the iPhone that pretty much every iPhone user would not have it installed over night.
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  • Reply 162 of 351
    cmf2cmf2 Posts: 1,427member
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    Originally Posted by ekeefe41 View Post


    I do love how everyone is saying i was stating the obvious back then...

    Yet not a single person (2 years ago) agreed with me.



    You people are mentally handicapped.

    Well i suppose that explains your love for the iPhone.



    bwhahahhahahaa



    No one agreed with you because your reasoning was severely flawed. This is what you wrote:



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ekeefe41 View Post


    Here is what i believe; it is based on nothing more than my opinion.



    The iPhone is a revolutionary new product.

    So were the 1st GUI-based Macs.



    The iPhone is tightly controlled by Apple.

    So were the 1st GUI-Macs.



    The iPhone will fail the same way the original Macs did because of the tight hardware/software control. People will stop looking at their cell phones as "phones" and see them for what they are... mini computers. Once people get a feel for a 'mini computer cell phone' that they can customize any way they like only having to pay for the data/voice plan. This market will be flipped on its head.



    Apple is once again starting this tech revolution, but there game plan looks to be the same to me. They did lose the PC war you know.



    While it was pretty easy to imagine a world where Android sales topped iPhone sales back then since you only had to look at how mac vs pc sales progressed (hence my 3 year old could do that comment), the reasons you stated were incorrect, and your definition of failure is even further off the mark. Considering that Apple is one of the most profitable computer manufacturers and the most profitable handset manufacturer, I think they are quite content with what you consider failure... It's no wonder people disagreed with you.
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  • Reply 163 of 351
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
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    Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post


    Never said they were ignore. Just saying that the public goes "Oh, nice" when a new Android device is released, but "OH! WOW!!!" when a new iPhone is released. There is a big difference. Tech blogs like Engaget and Gizmondo, as well as Android specific blogs and some Linux blogs carry it. So too does some general media. But when an Apple event is held, EVERYONE is tuning in.



    That's what happens when you put out a phone once a year. If Apple was putting out handsets every few months, the press wouldn't be falling over themselves to cover it either. But, good for Apple for having PR and marketing savvy.



    Yet, how is this important to the topic at hand?
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  • Reply 164 of 351
    asianbobasianbob Posts: 797member
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    Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post


    Never said they were ignore. Just saying that the public goes "Oh, nice" when a new Android device is released, but "OH! WOW!!!" when a new iPhone is released. There is a big difference. Tech blogs like Engaget and Gizmondo, as well as Android specific blogs and some Linux blogs carry it. So too does some general media. But when an Apple event is held, EVERYONE is tuning in.



    While I'm sure all the Android OEMs would love to have that kind of attention, I don't think it's any reason to religate Android to the back burner. Every device that has come out has sold incredibly well so far.



    However, when Google holds an event, they get the same reaction as an Apple event. They hold the heart and brains of Android. The OEMs just add the limbs.



    Sorry to keep this detour going, Jetz. I'm going to stop it right here.
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  • Reply 165 of 351
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
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    Originally Posted by ifail View Post


    I doubt you'd see a significant shift even when the iPhone finally goes mult-carrier. I'd wager we'd only see a boost of roughly 3 million a quarter, which certainly wont be enough to unseat Android at the rate its going in terms of market share.



    No, but combined with the iPhone 4's release, next quarter may be different. Plus, see below.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 0yvind View Post


    I guess the iOS percentage doesn't include the iPod Touch or iPad (not even the 3G version), so if they were taken into account the map would look a bit different...



    No, iPod Touch and iPad are not included - which is another reason the numbers are misleading.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    Your theory is flawed. The Evo, Incredible and Droid X all cost exactly the same as the iPhone with a 2 year contract. The reality is people like Android.



    Yes, some people like Android. But when you look at customer satisfaction rates, the iPhone is in the mid-90's while Android phones (all together since there isn't data for individual phones) is in the low 70s. I think a very large part of the recent success of Android was the fact that there just wasn't much of a decent alternative to the iPhone until recently. Now that there's something else to consider, a lot of people grabbed one to try it out (particularly the people who can't or won't use an iPhone for some reason). As they find out how clunky Android is (as evidenced by the poor user satisfaction ratings (rating), many of them are likely to switch to something else.
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  • Reply 166 of 351
    ruel24ruel24 Posts: 432member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jetz View Post


    Whatever floats your boat. Fine Android copied it. Now the question is, after 4 iterations of their mobile OS why has Apple not been able to implement their own 1984 technology on the platform?



    And it's not like there's no demand for this stuff. People are jailbreaking just to get desktop/widget functionality. Don't tell me that if a facebook or twitter widget came out on the iPhone that pretty much every iPhone user would not have it installed over night.



    Did Apple realize there was a demand for it? Just because you can doesn't always mean you should.
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  • Reply 167 of 351
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    The widgets are Dashboard Widgets that came in 10.4. Yes, Android copied, along with KDE and GNOME the concept of Dashboard Widgets which had a start also on Windows, but it all goes back to the original patent concept from APPLE.



    And yet no lawsuit from the normally litigiously-minded Apple for all this apparent IP theft? Methinks Apple's lawyers and BOD are slipping if they are letting this one go.
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  • Reply 168 of 351
    ruel24ruel24 Posts: 432member
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    Originally Posted by AsianBob View Post


    While I'm sure all the Android OEMs would love to have that kind of attention, I don't think it's any reason to religate Android to the back burner. Every device that has come out has sold incredibly well so far.



    However, when Google holds an event, they get the same reaction as an Apple event. They hold the heart and brains of Android. The OEMs just add the limbs.



    Sorry to keep this detour going, Jetz. I'm going to stop it right here.



    Yes, it is getting off-topic a bit. I'm not dismissing the Android platform at all. It's just that as things sit, it's inferior to the iPhone in many important ways. I'm convinced that if the iPhone gets announced in January for Verizon, you'll see a lot of wind leave the sails of Android. Many Android users are simply those that don't want AT&T and won't switch to own one. When it comes to their favorite carrier, I'm sure given a choice, most would prefer the iPhone - prices being equal.



    I have some friends that have Android that we all play in a trivia league together. All 4 of them got excited when one of them said she heard that the iPhone was coming to Verizon. Her and the other 3 were crushed when I told them that this rumor was an ongoing thing for about 2 years now and it wasn't likely.
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  • Reply 169 of 351
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
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    Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post


    Did Apple realize there was a demand for it? Just because you can doesn't always mean you should.



    Fair enough. Then I can guess their stick to their cat and mouse game with the Jailbreakers.



    Come on, until recently people were jailbreaking to get customizable backgrounds. Jailbreaking, imo, is far more common on the iPhone than rooting on Android. And all that says is that users want those features. Apple should be working at putting them in. And widgets are after all optional. Nobody forces you to put them on your desktop. I fail to see the harm in adding this kind of functionality and how it's one of those, "just because you can, doesn't mean you should situations." If we were talking multi-tasking on the iPhone 2G, I would have agreed with you. For a Facebook widget, no so.
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  • Reply 170 of 351
    asianbobasianbob Posts: 797member
    [QUOTE=jragosta;1695498]Yes, some people like Android. But when you look at customer satisfaction rates, the iPhone is in the mid-90's while Android phones (all together since there isn't data for individual phones) is in the low 70s. I think a very large part of the recent success of Android was the fact that there just wasn't much of a decent alternative to the iPhone until recently. Now that there's something else to consider, a lot of people grabbed one to try it out (particularly the people who can't or won't use an iPhone for some reason). As they find out how clunky Android is (as evidenced by the poor user satisfaction ratings (rating), many of them are likely to switch to something else.[/QUOTE]



    http://gizmodo.com/5604496/new-smart...ing-blackberry



    Seems to me that the vast majority of Android users prefer to get another Android device in the future. Also seems to me that it's an indication that they like Android.



    DUH!
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  • Reply 171 of 351
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    No, but combined with the iPhone 4's release, next quarter may be different. Plus, see below.







    No, iPod Touch and iPad are not included - which is another reason the numbers are misleading.







    Yes, some people like Android. But when you look at customer satisfaction rates, the iPhone is in the mid-90's while Android phones (all together since there isn't data for individual phones) is in the low 70s. I think a very large part of the recent success of Android was the fact that there just wasn't much of a decent alternative to the iPhone until recently. Now that there's something else to consider, a lot of people grabbed one to try it out (particularly the people who can't or won't use an iPhone for some reason). As they find out how clunky Android is (as evidenced by the poor user satisfaction ratings (rating), many of them are likely to switch to something else.



    My point isn't to knock the iPhone its a very good phone and I like iOS better. My point is that Apple is no longer a premium product at least cost wise in the smartphone market. They all cost around the same with a 2 year contract.



    Only time will tell in regards to satisfaction. As far as the experience I can tell you Android 2.2 which I just loaded on my Evo about a week ago is by far the fastest OS on the market right now and works extremely well.
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  • Reply 172 of 351
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
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    Originally Posted by ruel24 View Post


    Yes, it is getting off-topic a bit. I'm not dismissing the Android platform at all. It's just that as things sit, it's inferior to the iPhone in many important ways. I'm convinced that if the iPhone gets announced in January for Verizon, you'll see a lot of wind leave the sails of Android. Many Android users are simply those that don't want AT&T and won't switch to own one. When it comes to their favorite carrier, I'm sure given a choice, most would prefer the iPhone - prices being equal.



    I have some friends that have Android that we all play in a trivia league together. All 4 of them got excited when one of them said she heard that the iPhone was coming to Verizon. Her and the other 3 were crushed when I told them that this rumor was an ongoing thing for about 2 years now and it wasn't likely.



    I disagree. The UK experience, I cited earlier says otherwise. Undoubtedly when the phone launches on Verizon, you'll get that large group that really wants iPhones that'll make the switch. However, over the longer term, I really doubt the iPhone is going to prove to be some kind of Android killer. It'll just slow it down. More speed bump, than road spikes.



    Just look at markets where the iPhone is available on every carrier. Android market share keeps growing in all those markets.



    As for your friends, watch what happens when the iPhone does launch on Verizon. Here in Canada, where it's available on every carrier, there's a very "Meh" factor. It's just not that cool any more to have an iPhone because so many people have one. And the carriers have all started promoting Android devices as differentiators. And they are actively promoting things like Google Navigation. That's what's keep Android growing. You'll have the same situation in the US. And just watch, only about half your friends in that group will actually make the jump when the time comes.
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  • Reply 173 of 351
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
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    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    My point isn't to knock the iPhone its a very good phone and I like iOS better. My point is that Apple is no longer a premium product at least cost wise in the smartphone market. They all cost around the same with a 2 year contract.



    Bingo. That said, I think Apple is best positioned among all the handset makers to position themselves as a premium and exclusive product. Just throw in a mobileMe subscription for free with any iOS device dammit.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post


    Only time will tell in regards to satisfaction. As far as the experience I can tell you Android 2.2 which I just loaded on my Evo about a week ago is by far the fastest OS on the market right now and works extremely well.



    I get the same impression. I think a lot of those who felt dissatisfied felt that way because they were using 1.5/1.6 handsets. Now that this segment of the user base is about 35% of Android's user base (as of August's stats) and falling fast, I think user satisfaction is going to go up. Especially as they discover features like voice-to-text. And once you get 2.2, well, that just feels like you got a brand new phone with features like mifi.
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  • Reply 174 of 351
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    Originally Posted by ifail View Post


    I doubt you'd see a significant shift even when the iPhone finally goes mult-carrier. I'd wager we'd only see a boost of roughly 3 million a quarter, which certainly wont be enough to unseat Android at the rate its going in terms of market share.



    That sounds about right. Like others have said its funny to see Android with all of its many manufacturers finally unseat RIM and Apple who make only a small handful. Throw in the buy-one-get-one free from Verizon its a no brainer.



    Android will definitely be the PC windows of the smart phone category. I am still waiting for the striped down $50 android phone. I am surprised no one has made one yet.
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  • Reply 175 of 351
    ruel24ruel24 Posts: 432member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jetz View Post


    Fair enough. Then I can guess their stick to their cat and mouse game with the Jailbreakers.



    Come on, until recently people were jailbreaking to get customizable backgrounds. Jailbreaking, imo, is far more common on the iPhone than rooting on Android. And all that says is that users want those features. Apple should be working at putting them in. And widgets are after all optional. Nobody forces you to put them on your desktop. I fail to see the harm in adding this kind of functionality and how it's one of those, "just because you can, doesn't mean you should situations." If we were talking multi-tasking on the iPhone 2G, I would have agreed with you. For a Facebook widget, no so.



    This is no different than Motorola putting an iFuse in the Droid X and making life more complicated for rooters? Apple simply wants to maintain control.



    I'm not going to dance around the fact that Apple has become so dominant for a time, that they've seemed to have become rather complacent. They haven't been so avante garde in the development of any of their products like they once were. They've become rather conservative, instead.



    I agree they should be, at the very least, investigating these options.
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  • Reply 176 of 351
    ruel24ruel24 Posts: 432member
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    Originally Posted by Apple/// View Post


    I am still waiting for the striped down $50 android phone. I am surprised no one has made one yet.



    They have:



    http://www.cincinnatibell.com/consum...natibell_blaze
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  • Reply 177 of 351
    shadashshadash Posts: 470member
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    Originally Posted by Postulant View Post


    I'll believe Apple cares about market share when iOS and OS X are licensed out. Obviously market share is important to Google and Microsoft.



    "At the critical juncture in the late ?80s, when they should have gone for market share, they went for profits."



    Who do you think said that?
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  • Reply 178 of 351
    shobizshobiz Posts: 207member
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    Psychic Rich predicts that this thread will turn into a flame war.



    I agree...
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  • Reply 179 of 351
    grkinggrking Posts: 533member
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    Originally Posted by Trajectory View Post


    Android is on more phone models sold by more carriers, while the iPhone is made by one company and sold by a single carrier in the US. So, this doesn't surprise me one bit.



    Android will become the "budget" phone for those who can't get or afford an iPhone. Apple has always catered to the higher-end of the consumer scale, which doesn't necessarily translate into market dominance, but, does translate into large profits for the company and high customer satisfaction.



    As has been pointed out multiple times, price is not a determinant, particularly when you can get a 3GS for $99 (or free as some have mentioned).



    The iPhone is not a premium product based on price.
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  • Reply 180 of 351
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    Originally Posted by yeshuawatso View Post


    I wouldn't call the current Apple an "inventor" of anything except for the ability to market their products so well, that they suddenly become the inventors of pre-existing technology. In marketing, we wouldn't say Apple was an inventor, we would say Apple is an early adopter; leveraging little known technology for a strategic edge. Nothing wrong with that, because NO ONE does it as beautifully as Apple, and NO ONE can deny that.



    When Apple was an inventor (Apple ][, Lisa, Newton, Mac) they didn't make money and no one really cared about them. Hell, even Jobs will admit Apple was desperate when they hired him back. When Apple became an innovator, the world bowed before their might.



    Ahh... but all those things (Apple ][, Lisa, Newton, Mac) were not inventions (with the possible exception of the Newton).



    -- Lots of microcomputers predated the Apple ]{

    -- Several graphics computers predated the Lisa and Mac



    What Apple did then, as now, is put together a reasonable set of high-quality components (hardware and software) in a clean, attractive, utilitarian and user-friendly package-- then market the hell out of it!





    What do I care if you've got a camera with more megapixels-- I can take pictures with mine!



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