To conclude, you?ve prognosticated nothing. All you?ve done is bring up a thread that shows not only the long time members, but also the newer ones, that your ability to think critically is severely hindered.
I'm new here, and as I read his post and clicked his link, I honestly thought pretty much what you said: "Why would he give a link to prove he has no idea what he's talking about?"
Seems to me that the vast majority of Android users prefer to get another Android device in the future. Also seems to me that it's an indication that they like Android.
DUH!
Duh, indeed. I love it when your own data disproves what you're claiming. Your own data states that only 6% of iPhone customers plan to buy Android next time while 21% of Android customers plan to buy iPhone next.
Or, if you look at Blackberry users, 29% want iPhone next vs only 21% wanting Android next.
Your own data shows that Apple is preferred.
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Originally Posted by ruel24
{cheap Android phones}
Yup, still running Android 1.6, too.
Actually, even expensive ones. My daughter's Motorola Backflip is over $100 subsidized - and runs 1.6. They're saying that it will eventually run 2.1, but not for us (I don't know if it's the carrier or whether it's just not available in our area yet, but it's still not out). As for 2.2? I don't expect it any time in the life of the phone.
Yes you should care. Few people would choose to invest in a product from a company that may not stay in business. For developers if Motorola goes out of business that is less phones to sell your apps to.
Are you seriously going to suggest that with sales like this any of the major Android OEMs are at risk of being out of business soon? Android is single handedly saving Motorola and Sony Ericsson. I'd bet on Nokia going under before those two at this juncture. Though Nokia would probably jump on the Android bandwagon before then.
Market share doesn't mean much, it's all about who makes the most profit. Apple still makes the most profit out of all and they allow themselves to find and hire very talented people.
Ad far as I know, Apple and Android fans shouldn't fight each other. They should fight Symbian and RIM instead, because those are the horses everyone needs to kick to the last place.
Beware the market-share seeker, they are ultimately rent-seeking (see Microsoft). I value the profit-seeker instead, they strive to earn their dollar.
Case in point: Google just gave Verizon a big bear-hug with their watered down Net Neutrality suggestions... a huge 180-degree shift. Verizon (all telecoms) are notorious rent-seekers, they like oil companies and big banks are so protected from actual competition and plan to (buying congress to) gut the internet to make extra money on each internet transaction that crosses their lines.
Google is now part of the problem, and has allied themselves with Verizon, much more than Apple has with AT&T.
The Article said Android Leap-Frogged Apple in 2nd Qtr Numbers . Well in May iPhone supplies were drying up in anticipation of iP4 in June and here it is almost September and supplies of iP4 are still constrained and waits are 2 wks. So just hold onto your spreadsheets come Apple Financials in late October we will see that flip-flop occur again and not by some slim margin. Apple hasn't even started shipping to all it's iPhone countries and won't before end of Qtr so look for another smashing CY4 Qtr (Apple FY 1 Qtr). As someone posted earlier in this thread we are comparing 1 Model from 1 Manufacturer to a Dozen Droid Models and a half Dozen Manufacturers let's compare Apples to Apples
Figures lie and liars figure. What's your point?
Stats are only relevant based on what you are looking at and what your concerns are. For example, if you are a developer you care about which OS has the largest installed base, which OS is growing and ultimately which OS you can better monetize your efforts on, both in the short and long term.
If you're a customer, you may not not even care about stats because as long the phone does what you want and you can get the apps you want, you're set.
Some are saying the only relevant stat is OS to OS. This report was obviously looking at just smartphones (they weren't fixing anything, it's just that they only care about smartphones). And now you are suggesting that we only look at phone sales? What are we supposed to learn from that? That the iPhone sells well? Has anybody ever challenged that point? Is it really relevant?
So what's your point? Apple's holding out? Well, there's several high-end Android models that weren't counted last quarter too. And the EVO was also suffering from shortages. And even if the iPhone does come up on top, isn't that what should happen? One would expect Apple to do well in the iPhone launch quarter. But is a quarterly statistical blip relevant or does the long term trend matter more? Goes back to what I said earlier, how you look at it depends on where you stand.
No. Android is an OEM OS which is being deployed on a wide variety of smartphones for very different demographics. We are going to see, more and more, Android appearing on a low-end entry-level tier of 'smartphone' as well. It isn't some centralized plot to take down Apple?it is just manufacturers using a good smartphone OS to get their products to market and compete with Apple, when neither worthy alternative, Windows Phone 7 (maybe?) or webOS, is available on the OEM level at this time. Google's pricing system is also attractive.
Android is going to keep growing in marketshare until it is checked by Microsoft (depending on the quality of their platform), and that might not be enough. iOS will see a lot of growth if they release a CDMA phone, but even then, that won't be enough to compete with the low-end marketshare Android is going to start digging around in. Apple would have to compete in the low-end as well, or even open their platform to OEM, but neither is a good move for developers, Apple, or even us, the iOS users (unless of course that would be the only way we could get iOS). On a related note, Android on phones which are bought by users who couldn't care less about the Android market means nothing worth celebration to the Android user other than to inflate the marketshare statistic.
"Yay! The combined efforts of every major player in the smartphone industry but Apple and RIM has managed to beat a single line of phones in sales! Our OS has beaten a single product line! Hurray!"
Uh... good for them?
An iOS powered iTV/AppleTV could also give a boost to iPhone/iPod/iPad sales.
Speaking of which, it isn't quite fair to compare Android to iPhone, I'd like to see a total comparison to iOS devices as that is a better comparison of market share. I know a lot of people who would opt for a cheap Android phone combined with an iPad instead of an iPhone+iPad.
... Speaking of which, it isn't quite fair to compare Android to iPhone, I'd like to see a total comparison to iOS devices as that is a better comparison of market share. I know a lot of people who would opt for a cheap Android phone combined with an iPad instead of an iPhone+iPad.
Indeed. I see a lot of folks on transit every day with an iPod touch for music and games and a phone for text and calls. It's very noticeable because they usually hold them both in one hand which looks kind of funny, but it is rather common.
Mostly the second device is a Blackberry, but there are a few Android phones there too.
Stats are only relevant based on what you are looking at and what your concerns are. For example, if you are a developer you care about which OS has the largest installed base, which OS is growing and ultimately which OS you can better monetize your efforts on, both in the short and long term.
I think for the most part, as a developer, you'd be concerned about which platform presents the best opportunity to make money on sales. From every last article I've ever read on the subject, app developers make FAR more money on iOS than on Android.
Installed base is completely meaningless if those customers don't buy what you want to sell.
They aren't smartphones, so why would you count them in the smartphone sales reports?
Android isn't a smartphone either, it's an operating system; just as iOS is an operating system. Seems if we're going to be talking about which operating systems dominates in the "units sold" department, we should compare operating system to operating system.
Otherwise, you're making an unfair comparison between a hardware and software manufacturer with one new model released per year on one carrier in the U.S. against dozens of phone models with constant updates by several manufacturers.
So either compare mobile OS to mobile OS sales by combining iPad, iPod, and iPhone sales against everything running Android, or compare hardware manufacturer product to hardware manufacturer product, which in this case would be Google's Nexus One vs. Apple's iPhone.
Either way, Apple is still in the lead by a comfortable margin.
Android isn't a smartphone either, it's an operating system; just as iOS is an operating system. Seems if we're going to be talking about which operating systems dominates in the "units sold" department, we should compare operating system to operating system.
They are counting the OS of the smartphones sold, so they only count the iPhone (as the other two aren't smartphones), and they only count the Android devices that are smartphones. It isn't that hard a concept to understand.
Duh, indeed. I love it when your own data disproves what you're claiming. Your own data states that only 6% of iPhone customers plan to buy Android next time while 21% of Android customers plan to buy iPhone next.
Or, if you look at Blackberry users, 29% want iPhone next vs only 21% wanting Android next.
Your own data shows that Apple is preferred.
Notice that I was referring to the bolded text in your post. You claim that Android users will try it out and then move onto something else. I see you failed to mention that 71% of current users are willing to buy another Android device. Which to me means that those 71% like Android.
I believe no one will argue that an iPhone user will want another iPhone the vast majority of the time. It's a given.. Considering how close the Android and iPhone converts are from the BlackBerry line (drawing within 6% of the fabled iPhone), I don't believe it's a bad showing at all for Android, a "clunky" OS.
What the data in the link clearly says is that a majority of the people who have an Android device want another Android device and a significant chunk of of BlackBerry users are moving over to Android. And that the majority of the iPhone users want another iPhone. As time moves forward and Google improves Android to 3.0 and beyond, I'm willing to bet that that 29% going to the iPhone from Android will start to shrink.
Sure, if you really want your ego stroked here, the iPhone is still a wanted device. But as all current data is showing, the trend is that the people are starting to want Android just as much, if not more.
I think for the most part, as a developer, you'd be concerned about which platform presents the best opportunity to make money on sales. From every last article I've ever read on the subject, app developers make FAR more money on iOS than on Android.
That's for now. Will that stat hold true always? I'm not so sure.
For now, the place to be is iOS if you are a developer. But two years, if and when the predictions come to pass and Android surpasses iOS in installed base completely and there
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Originally Posted by guch20
Installed base is completely meaningless if those customers don't buy what you want to sell.
Like I said earlier, most of the complaints about Android users not buying apps are more of because the apps on Android sucked until very recently.
Android is only now getting games like Angry Birds. Or a much more functional Facebook app. I will bet real money that profits for developers will rise if they start putting quality stuff on Android.
It?s about time, Android. You have a GSM-only iPhone from one vendor that only sells a premium product. This should have happened last year, IMO, and I think it would have had vendors and carriers using Android OS not focused on teenage boys and had instead focused on devices and and OS that suited the average consumer. Thankfully, that is now happening with these new Android phones and hopefully for you 3.0 will push closer to iOS and BB OS (and presumably WP7) because I think a good portion of your lead will be killed these last two quarters of the year with the iPhone 4 release and an assumed CDMA iPhone.
Android should also be ahead of RiM right now, too. Sure, they have GSM and CDMA phones across all major carriers with a variety of price points, but they are still one vendor and still highly focused on the Enterprise. A year ago I would have expected Android to be trailing Nokia?s Symbian. Just because Android is growing rapidly, doesn?t mean they aren?t buggering up their growth rate
Take a look at this. According to this site looks like Android has not only taken over the iPhone but also iOS including the iPad and iPod Touch.
Android isn't a smartphone either, it's an operating system; just as iOS is an operating system. Seems if we're going to be talking about which operating systems dominates in the "units sold" department, we should compare operating system to operating system.
Except that there's really not much in the way of Android development of tablets yet (unless you count that POS that Archos put out), though stuff like the Dell Streak will be out shortly. Not that that's an excuse. But it is the reason why Android is largely looked upon as a phone OS.
I do agree with you that they should be comparing OS to OS. But I don't see why people are so sensitive about these reports. They are meant to slander Apple. These reports are put out routinely to assess the state of the mobile market. So naturally they look only at mobile phones.
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Otherwise, you're making an unfair comparison between a hardware and software manufacturer with one new model released per year on one carrier in the U.S. against dozens of phone models with constant updates by several manufacturers.
I'm sorry but when people make this argument it smacks of a desperate excuse. Even Jobs would not use such a desperate line. It's entirely Apple's choice to have one phone and not license the OS. And until now Jobs has been happy to roll out iSuppli charts showing how much iOS dominates market share and installed base. And now that those same stats show that Android is gaining ground quickly it's unfair to make the comparison? Clearly Jobs didn't get the memo before the iPhone keynote this year.
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Originally Posted by guch20
So either compare mobile OS to mobile OS sales by combining iPad, iPod, and iPhone sales against everything running Android, or compare hardware manufacturer product to hardware manufacturer product, which in this case would be Google's Nexus One vs. Apple's iPhone.
Either way, Apple is still in the lead by a comfortable margin.
Android is not all that far behind. If Apple is selling about 22 million (12 million iPhones+8 million iPads+2 million iTouch) iDevices per quarter that's about 245 000 sales/activations per day. Google's already at 200 000 per day (up from 160k per day from a mere two months ago) and they aren't exactly showing signs of slowing down. I wouldn't call it a comfortable margin anymore.
Keep in mind that they beat Blackberry in the US, 18 months earlier than what most analysts predicted. Android is clearly emerging as a solid competitor.
The Gartner report is confusing because they just refer to mobile devices without defining what they are. But the numbers look like they are iPhone only.
The Gartner report is confusing because they just refer to mobile devices without defining what they are. But the numbers look like they are iPhone only.
It's not accurate and we can easily verify this with Apple's quarterly earnings for the 2nd calendar quarter.
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The Company sold 8.4 million iPhones in the quarter, representing 61 percent unit growth over the year-ago quarter. Apple sold 9.41 million iPods during the quarter, representing an eight percent unit decline from the year-ago quarter. The Company began selling iPads during the quarter, with total sales of 3.27 million.
8.4M iPhone + 3.27M iPad = 11.67 known iOS devices + (9.41M iPods - non-iOS iPods) = n iOS devices
In the past we were able to figure out the iPod Touch sales for a quarter, but that was because they stated the iPhone sales and number of devices that shipped with iOS during the conference call. I don't think they did that this time and can't verify as I'm using my iPhone to write this post.
edit: Based on the Android site's wording it's incorrect, however, BusinessInsider correctly stated that Android would NOW be outselling all iOS devices as of Schmidt anmouncing 200k devices per day with Android are being shipped. That is 18M a quarter and definitely beats Apple for the 2nd calendar quarter. However, that is a lull time in Apple sales due to it being before Back to School and before the new iPhone and iPod Touches so I wouldn't put any credence into a comparison of Android now to iOS then.
That's for now. Will that stat hold true always? I'm not so sure.
For now, the place to be is iOS if you are a developer. But two years, if and when the predictions come to pass and Android surpasses iOS in installed base completely and there
Like I said earlier, most of the complaints about Android users not buying apps are more of because the apps on Android sucked until very recently.
Android is only now getting games like Angry Birds. Or a much more functional Facebook app. I will bet real money that profits for developers will rise if they start putting quality stuff on Android.
I'd argue that it has less to do with the quality of the apps (which, granted, I have heard a few complaints about) and more to do with the iTunes ecosystem Apple has spent years building and perfect that makes it so convenient to buy apps and songs and movies and TV shows and share those things between devices. People have shown they are willing to download Android apps; they just haven't shown a willingness to pay for those apps.
Add to this the fact that piracy is rampant in Google's open garden, and you have a lot of developers who are unwilling to take the risk with developing for Android.
They are counting the OS of the smartphones sold, so they only count the iPhone (as the other two aren't smartphones), and they only count the Android devices that are smartphones. It isn't that hard a concept to understand.
Apparently comparing two things on a level playing field is a difficult concept for you to understand. If you can't see why those comparisons are crap, I really can't help you and we really can't go any further in this discussion.
It's all the same, really. You aren't going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.
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To conclude, you?ve prognosticated nothing. All you?ve done is bring up a thread that shows not only the long time members, but also the newer ones, that your ability to think critically is severely hindered.
I'm new here, and as I read his post and clicked his link, I honestly thought pretty much what you said: "Why would he give a link to prove he has no idea what he's talking about?"
Some people...
http://gizmodo.com/5604496/new-smart...ing-blackberry
Seems to me that the vast majority of Android users prefer to get another Android device in the future. Also seems to me that it's an indication that they like Android.
DUH!
Duh, indeed. I love it when your own data disproves what you're claiming. Your own data states that only 6% of iPhone customers plan to buy Android next time while 21% of Android customers plan to buy iPhone next.
Or, if you look at Blackberry users, 29% want iPhone next vs only 21% wanting Android next.
Your own data shows that Apple is preferred.
{cheap Android phones}
Yup, still running Android 1.6, too.
Actually, even expensive ones. My daughter's Motorola Backflip is over $100 subsidized - and runs 1.6. They're saying that it will eventually run 2.1, but not for us (I don't know if it's the carrier or whether it's just not available in our area yet, but it's still not out). As for 2.2? I don't expect it any time in the life of the phone.
Yes you should care. Few people would choose to invest in a product from a company that may not stay in business. For developers if Motorola goes out of business that is less phones to sell your apps to.
Are you seriously going to suggest that with sales like this any of the major Android OEMs are at risk of being out of business soon? Android is single handedly saving Motorola and Sony Ericsson. I'd bet on Nokia going under before those two at this juncture. Though Nokia would probably jump on the Android bandwagon before then.
Market share doesn't mean much, it's all about who makes the most profit. Apple still makes the most profit out of all and they allow themselves to find and hire very talented people.
Ad far as I know, Apple and Android fans shouldn't fight each other. They should fight Symbian and RIM instead, because those are the horses everyone needs to kick to the last place.
Beware the market-share seeker, they are ultimately rent-seeking (see Microsoft). I value the profit-seeker instead, they strive to earn their dollar.
Case in point: Google just gave Verizon a big bear-hug with their watered down Net Neutrality suggestions... a huge 180-degree shift. Verizon (all telecoms) are notorious rent-seekers, they like oil companies and big banks are so protected from actual competition and plan to (buying congress to) gut the internet to make extra money on each internet transaction that crosses their lines.
Google is now part of the problem, and has allied themselves with Verizon, much more than Apple has with AT&T.
The Article said Android Leap-Frogged Apple in 2nd Qtr Numbers . Well in May iPhone supplies were drying up in anticipation of iP4 in June and here it is almost September and supplies of iP4 are still constrained and waits are 2 wks. So just hold onto your spreadsheets come Apple Financials in late October we will see that flip-flop occur again and not by some slim margin. Apple hasn't even started shipping to all it's iPhone countries and won't before end of Qtr so look for another smashing CY4 Qtr (Apple FY 1 Qtr). As someone posted earlier in this thread we are comparing 1 Model from 1 Manufacturer to a Dozen Droid Models and a half Dozen Manufacturers let's compare Apples to Apples
Figures lie and liars figure. What's your point?
Stats are only relevant based on what you are looking at and what your concerns are. For example, if you are a developer you care about which OS has the largest installed base, which OS is growing and ultimately which OS you can better monetize your efforts on, both in the short and long term.
If you're a customer, you may not not even care about stats because as long the phone does what you want and you can get the apps you want, you're set.
Some are saying the only relevant stat is OS to OS. This report was obviously looking at just smartphones (they weren't fixing anything, it's just that they only care about smartphones). And now you are suggesting that we only look at phone sales? What are we supposed to learn from that? That the iPhone sells well? Has anybody ever challenged that point? Is it really relevant?
So what's your point? Apple's holding out? Well, there's several high-end Android models that weren't counted last quarter too. And the EVO was also suffering from shortages. And even if the iPhone does come up on top, isn't that what should happen? One would expect Apple to do well in the iPhone launch quarter. But is a quarterly statistical blip relevant or does the long term trend matter more? Goes back to what I said earlier, how you look at it depends on where you stand.
Duh, indeed. I love it when your own data disproves what you're claiming.
He claimed the majority of Android owners prefer Android. Show where he's wrong from the Gizmodo article.
No. Android is an OEM OS which is being deployed on a wide variety of smartphones for very different demographics. We are going to see, more and more, Android appearing on a low-end entry-level tier of 'smartphone' as well. It isn't some centralized plot to take down Apple?it is just manufacturers using a good smartphone OS to get their products to market and compete with Apple, when neither worthy alternative, Windows Phone 7 (maybe?) or webOS, is available on the OEM level at this time. Google's pricing system is also attractive.
Android is going to keep growing in marketshare until it is checked by Microsoft (depending on the quality of their platform), and that might not be enough. iOS will see a lot of growth if they release a CDMA phone, but even then, that won't be enough to compete with the low-end marketshare Android is going to start digging around in. Apple would have to compete in the low-end as well, or even open their platform to OEM, but neither is a good move for developers, Apple, or even us, the iOS users (unless of course that would be the only way we could get iOS). On a related note, Android on phones which are bought by users who couldn't care less about the Android market means nothing worth celebration to the Android user other than to inflate the marketshare statistic.
"Yay! The combined efforts of every major player in the smartphone industry but Apple and RIM has managed to beat a single line of phones in sales! Our OS has beaten a single product line! Hurray!"
Uh... good for them?
An iOS powered iTV/AppleTV could also give a boost to iPhone/iPod/iPad sales.
Speaking of which, it isn't quite fair to compare Android to iPhone, I'd like to see a total comparison to iOS devices as that is a better comparison of market share. I know a lot of people who would opt for a cheap Android phone combined with an iPad instead of an iPhone+iPad.
... Speaking of which, it isn't quite fair to compare Android to iPhone, I'd like to see a total comparison to iOS devices as that is a better comparison of market share. I know a lot of people who would opt for a cheap Android phone combined with an iPad instead of an iPhone+iPad.
Indeed. I see a lot of folks on transit every day with an iPod touch for music and games and a phone for text and calls. It's very noticeable because they usually hold them both in one hand which looks kind of funny, but it is rather common.
Mostly the second device is a Blackberry, but there are a few Android phones there too.
Stats are only relevant based on what you are looking at and what your concerns are. For example, if you are a developer you care about which OS has the largest installed base, which OS is growing and ultimately which OS you can better monetize your efforts on, both in the short and long term.
I think for the most part, as a developer, you'd be concerned about which platform presents the best opportunity to make money on sales. From every last article I've ever read on the subject, app developers make FAR more money on iOS than on Android.
Installed base is completely meaningless if those customers don't buy what you want to sell.
No, iPod Touch and iPad are not included - which is another reason the numbers are misleading.
They aren't smartphones, so why would you count them in the smartphone sales reports?
They aren't smartphones, so why would you count them in the smartphone sales reports?
Android isn't a smartphone either, it's an operating system; just as iOS is an operating system. Seems if we're going to be talking about which operating systems dominates in the "units sold" department, we should compare operating system to operating system.
Otherwise, you're making an unfair comparison between a hardware and software manufacturer with one new model released per year on one carrier in the U.S. against dozens of phone models with constant updates by several manufacturers.
So either compare mobile OS to mobile OS sales by combining iPad, iPod, and iPhone sales against everything running Android, or compare hardware manufacturer product to hardware manufacturer product, which in this case would be Google's Nexus One vs. Apple's iPhone.
Either way, Apple is still in the lead by a comfortable margin.
Android isn't a smartphone either, it's an operating system; just as iOS is an operating system. Seems if we're going to be talking about which operating systems dominates in the "units sold" department, we should compare operating system to operating system.
They are counting the OS of the smartphones sold, so they only count the iPhone (as the other two aren't smartphones), and they only count the Android devices that are smartphones. It isn't that hard a concept to understand.
Duh, indeed. I love it when your own data disproves what you're claiming. Your own data states that only 6% of iPhone customers plan to buy Android next time while 21% of Android customers plan to buy iPhone next.
Or, if you look at Blackberry users, 29% want iPhone next vs only 21% wanting Android next.
Your own data shows that Apple is preferred.
Notice that I was referring to the bolded text in your post. You claim that Android users will try it out and then move onto something else. I see you failed to mention that 71% of current users are willing to buy another Android device. Which to me means that those 71% like Android.
I believe no one will argue that an iPhone user will want another iPhone the vast majority of the time. It's a given.. Considering how close the Android and iPhone converts are from the BlackBerry line (drawing within 6% of the fabled iPhone), I don't believe it's a bad showing at all for Android, a "clunky" OS.
What the data in the link clearly says is that a majority of the people who have an Android device want another Android device and a significant chunk of of BlackBerry users are moving over to Android. And that the majority of the iPhone users want another iPhone. As time moves forward and Google improves Android to 3.0 and beyond, I'm willing to bet that that 29% going to the iPhone from Android will start to shrink.
Sure, if you really want your ego stroked here, the iPhone is still a wanted device. But as all current data is showing, the trend is that the people are starting to want Android just as much, if not more.
I think for the most part, as a developer, you'd be concerned about which platform presents the best opportunity to make money on sales. From every last article I've ever read on the subject, app developers make FAR more money on iOS than on Android.
That's for now. Will that stat hold true always? I'm not so sure.
For now, the place to be is iOS if you are a developer. But two years, if and when the predictions come to pass and Android surpasses iOS in installed base completely and there
Installed base is completely meaningless if those customers don't buy what you want to sell.
Like I said earlier, most of the complaints about Android users not buying apps are more of because the apps on Android sucked until very recently.
Android is only now getting games like Angry Birds. Or a much more functional Facebook app. I will bet real money that profits for developers will rise if they start putting quality stuff on Android.
It?s about time, Android. You have a GSM-only iPhone from one vendor that only sells a premium product. This should have happened last year, IMO, and I think it would have had vendors and carriers using Android OS not focused on teenage boys and had instead focused on devices and and OS that suited the average consumer. Thankfully, that is now happening with these new Android phones and hopefully for you 3.0 will push closer to iOS and BB OS (and presumably WP7) because I think a good portion of your lead will be killed these last two quarters of the year with the iPhone 4 release and an assumed CDMA iPhone.
Android should also be ahead of RiM right now, too. Sure, they have GSM and CDMA phones across all major carriers with a variety of price points, but they are still one vendor and still highly focused on the Enterprise. A year ago I would have expected Android to be trailing Nokia?s Symbian. Just because Android is growing rapidly, doesn?t mean they aren?t buggering up their growth rate
Take a look at this. According to this site looks like Android has not only taken over the iPhone but also iOS including the iPad and iPod Touch.
http://www.androidcentral.com/gartne...-androids-huge
Not sure how realiable this is.
Android isn't a smartphone either, it's an operating system; just as iOS is an operating system. Seems if we're going to be talking about which operating systems dominates in the "units sold" department, we should compare operating system to operating system.
Except that there's really not much in the way of Android development of tablets yet (unless you count that POS that Archos put out), though stuff like the Dell Streak will be out shortly. Not that that's an excuse. But it is the reason why Android is largely looked upon as a phone OS.
I do agree with you that they should be comparing OS to OS. But I don't see why people are so sensitive about these reports. They are meant to slander Apple. These reports are put out routinely to assess the state of the mobile market. So naturally they look only at mobile phones.
Otherwise, you're making an unfair comparison between a hardware and software manufacturer with one new model released per year on one carrier in the U.S. against dozens of phone models with constant updates by several manufacturers.
I'm sorry but when people make this argument it smacks of a desperate excuse. Even Jobs would not use such a desperate line. It's entirely Apple's choice to have one phone and not license the OS. And until now Jobs has been happy to roll out iSuppli charts showing how much iOS dominates market share and installed base. And now that those same stats show that Android is gaining ground quickly it's unfair to make the comparison? Clearly Jobs didn't get the memo before the iPhone keynote this year.
So either compare mobile OS to mobile OS sales by combining iPad, iPod, and iPhone sales against everything running Android, or compare hardware manufacturer product to hardware manufacturer product, which in this case would be Google's Nexus One vs. Apple's iPhone.
Either way, Apple is still in the lead by a comfortable margin.
Android is not all that far behind. If Apple is selling about 22 million (12 million iPhones+8 million iPads+2 million iTouch) iDevices per quarter that's about 245 000 sales/activations per day. Google's already at 200 000 per day (up from 160k per day from a mere two months ago) and they aren't exactly showing signs of slowing down. I wouldn't call it a comfortable margin anymore.
Keep in mind that they beat Blackberry in the US, 18 months earlier than what most analysts predicted. Android is clearly emerging as a solid competitor.
Take a look at this. According to this site looks like Android has not only taken over the iPhone but also iOS including the iPad and iPod Touch.
http://www.androidcentral.com/gartne...-androids-huge
Not sure how realiable this is.
The Gartner report is confusing because they just refer to mobile devices without defining what they are. But the numbers look like they are iPhone only.
Take a look at this. According to this site looks like Android has not only taken over the iPhone but also iOS including the iPad and iPod Touch.
http://www.androidcentral.com/gartne...-androids-huge
Not sure how realiable this is.
The Gartner report is confusing because they just refer to mobile devices without defining what they are. But the numbers look like they are iPhone only.
The Company sold 8.4 million iPhones in the quarter, representing 61 percent unit growth over the year-ago quarter. Apple sold 9.41 million iPods during the quarter, representing an eight percent unit decline from the year-ago quarter. The Company began selling iPads during the quarter, with total sales of 3.27 million.
In the past we were able to figure out the iPod Touch sales for a quarter, but that was because they stated the iPhone sales and number of devices that shipped with iOS during the conference call. I don't think they did that this time and can't verify as I'm using my iPhone to write this post.
edit: Based on the Android site's wording it's incorrect, however, BusinessInsider correctly stated that Android would NOW be outselling all iOS devices as of Schmidt anmouncing 200k devices per day with Android are being shipped. That is 18M a quarter and definitely beats Apple for the 2nd calendar quarter. However, that is a lull time in Apple sales due to it being before Back to School and before the new iPhone and iPod Touches so I wouldn't put any credence into a comparison of Android now to iOS then.
That's for now. Will that stat hold true always? I'm not so sure.
For now, the place to be is iOS if you are a developer. But two years, if and when the predictions come to pass and Android surpasses iOS in installed base completely and there
Like I said earlier, most of the complaints about Android users not buying apps are more of because the apps on Android sucked until very recently.
Android is only now getting games like Angry Birds. Or a much more functional Facebook app. I will bet real money that profits for developers will rise if they start putting quality stuff on Android.
I'd argue that it has less to do with the quality of the apps (which, granted, I have heard a few complaints about) and more to do with the iTunes ecosystem Apple has spent years building and perfect that makes it so convenient to buy apps and songs and movies and TV shows and share those things between devices. People have shown they are willing to download Android apps; they just haven't shown a willingness to pay for those apps.
Add to this the fact that piracy is rampant in Google's open garden, and you have a lot of developers who are unwilling to take the risk with developing for Android.
They are counting the OS of the smartphones sold, so they only count the iPhone (as the other two aren't smartphones), and they only count the Android devices that are smartphones. It isn't that hard a concept to understand.
Apparently comparing two things on a level playing field is a difficult concept for you to understand. If you can't see why those comparisons are crap, I really can't help you and we really can't go any further in this discussion.
It's all the same, really. You aren't going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.