BTW, where did you hear the Galaxy was getting an update next month?
I think Samsung put out a statement committing to a Froyo update in the UK by end September. It would follow that the rest of the world should get it about the same time or shortly after.
Interesting you say that seeing the iPhone is the only one getting bad press on a regular basis when it comes to hardware isssue. The Evo, Incredible and Droid X are build just was well as the iPhone. Also with 2.2 just released to the Evo is a very fast phone.
Android phones don't get bad press for manufacturing problems for the same reason people are hardly surprised when some hacker discovers a crucial Windows exploit
Android and a capacitive touch based phones existed before the iPhones conception. LG was the first to dip their toe in this area; developing their touch based phone at the end of 2004.
That may or may not be true ... I really don't know ... but even if true that only means that for 3 years the technology languished virtually unnoticed until Apple came along with iPhone in 2007
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Apple wasn't the first App Market as GetJar existed well before Apple came into the game.
Maybe, but who, besides you, ever heard of them?
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Originally Posted by yeshuawatso
The music industry is now heading from rampant piracy to rampant low margin digital downloads. While Apple has been instrumental into getting people to pay for music, they've accidentally killed the "big" music industry.
Low margins beats free pirated any day, in my mind.
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Originally Posted by yeshuawatso
Apple didn't create a single download application for all your music, they created the single download application for all your legal music.
I think they "created" the first, easy to use, business model that appealed to the masses ... something the music industry big boys are still fighting against as hard as they can behind the scenes.
My point is simply this ... whether Apple invents/creates something first or not simply doesn't matter. What matters is can they take an existing or new technology to another level .... and their past performance tells me that, more often than not, yes they can .... but that does not, by itself, insure dominant market share .... and that's ok with Apple. They'll just keep on keeping on ... making products and services that a whole lot of us love .... and making a pot load of money as well.
As for the headlines, I'm not sure if you've been watching TV, but here in the US, we get plenty of commercials for new Android releases. Verizon, Samsung, HTC, T-Mobile have all been making commercials. Hell, some of them look like teasers for a new movie that's coming out (see the X commercials). I'm sure other countries have their own commercials.
And the online news community makes a huge stink when new Android devices are made available as well. Everything from the blogs to the major news sites report on them and when they are released, review them and compare them to other devices.
When Apple holds a press conference or an event of some kind, the financial world, electronic world, and everyone waits to see what they come out with next. Even if Motorola had such an event (do they?), it seems no one outside the Android community is really watching. There's a huge difference... Apple makes headlines everywhere about the new iPhone, even on Android blogs. When Samsung released the Galaxy? Very little.
You still miss the point. It's not that the Galaxy sports a Super AMOLED display, or whatever. Google's app store sucks, the quality of the apps is substandard due to Android users not wanting to actually purchase apps...
To me this is a "chicken and egg" situation. Until very, very recently (and I am talking basically this summer), a lot of the apps (particularly the games) sucked. There wasn't much that would compel me to whip out my wallet. Of course that situation then leads to complaints that Android users are cheap.
That is changing though. The stuff coming out now, particularly on the gaming side (I just bought Backbreaker and Skies of Glory), is solid stuff that people will probably pay for. I expect, you'll see the stats on this issue change very soon.
I'm looking at my Droid's 3.7" screen and you could have fooled me. I can see everything from Facebook updates to the weather, to what's on my calendar, to all the texts that have been sent to me (just a tiny sampling of what I have). If I need to add information, I can do it right from the that screen.
All without having to find the icon to launch that particular app.
Yep. And that's not the iPhone. If the assertion is that Android copy the iPhone, then where's the widgets on iOS.
My prediction: You'll see it in iOS5.
It doesn't matter if it's on the iPhone, iPad, Ubuntu, Windows, or the Mac. Fact is, Apple had them first, and really popularized them with the Dashboard in OS X. Android is merely copying...
Yep. And that's not the iPhone. If the assertion is that Android copy the iPhone, then where's the widgets on iOS.
My prediction: You'll see it in iOS5.
The widgets are Dashboard Widgets that came in 10.4. Yes, Android copied, along with KDE and GNOME the concept of Dashboard Widgets which had a start also on Windows, but it all goes back to the original patent concept from APPLE.
If you're legally blind or approaching it. Is it really that bad on a 3.5 inch screen? And most widget take up a quarter to half the screen or even the whole screen.
If you are going to suggest widgets are impossible on a "tiny screen" then how the hell do you pick out icons when you use your phone?
I'm looking at my Droid's 3.7" screen and you could have fooled me. I can see everything from Facebook updates to the weather, to what's on my calendar, to all the texts that have been sent to me (just a tiny sampling of what I have). If I need to add information, I can do it right from the that screen.
All without having to find the icon to launch that particular app.
There's no doubt in my mind that Android is superior to iOS in certain areas. iOS, just like MacOS, is made to be simple. It's effective. Sorry, but Apple wrote the original book on an effective UI after extensive research.
Ad far as I know, Apple and Android fans shouldn't fight each other. They should fight Symbian and RIM instead, because those are the horses everyone needs to kick to the last place.
I disagree. If we are to kick Symbian and RIM, we need to go after Android with a chainsaw.
When Apple holds a press conference or an event of some kind, the financial world, electronic world, and everyone waits to see what they come out with next. Even if Motorola had such an event (do they?), it seems no one outside the Android community is really watching. There's a huge difference... Apple makes headlines everywhere about the new iPhone, even on Android blogs. When Samsung released the Galaxy? Very little.
Even with what you perceive to be a small amount of news, plenty of people know about the devices they release. And it's not limited to the Android community. Tech blogs that cover all gambits of devices report on them. And again, there's plenty of commercials for their products on TV.
Do a Google search for Droid or Droid X or even the Galaxy S and tell me how many hits you come up with. While they may not gather "huge" coverage, they aren't completely ignored (like you imply) either.
There's no doubt in my mind that Android is superior to iOS in certain areas. iOS, just like MacOS, is made to be simple. It's effective. Sorry, but Apple wrote the original book on an effective UI after extensive research.
No arguements that iOS is effective. Just saying that widgets work really well on small screen devices.
Nope. You will always use PC's to hold data and manipulate that data. The mobile market is good, but it has limited use. The iPhone can't do spreadsheets very well, or draw a vector based drawing, render 3D scenes, or even surf very well. What it does is provide a good enough experience on the go.
That's the iPhone. An iPad on the other hand will probably we able to word processing and number crunching on spreadsheets well enough for all but a single digit percentage minority out there.
And even for data storage, I daresay that in short order people will find cloud based storage or simple plug in drives far more desirable than a whole PC. Keep in mind that it's only Apple prohibiting ports on the iPad. Android tablets will probably come with USB ports that let people plug into their terabyte drives to store all their media.
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PC's will never die. The fact is that most Windows PC makers are suffering because they've long been in a race to the bottom. As they all have competed to have cheaper and cheaper goods, they've made their quality cheaper and cheaper and therefore commoditized. There's little profit in them, and the quality is garbage: crappy TN based screens, plain unattractive cases, garbage keyboards and mice... There was a time when it was common to get a quality (then Trinitron) monitor, a good high-end Microsoft keyboard and mouse, etc. with your computer. Those days are gone.
Sure PCs won't die. Mainframes never did. But they'll become less and less relevant as time goes by. And it's precisely because of the phenomenon you pointed out. The commodification of PCs simply means there's more money to be made elsewhere (like in mobile computing).
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Let's not get into the India based low-grade customer service you now get.
Being of Indian descent, I find this quite offensive and frankly racist. You have an issue with the support provided by a company, then blame company not the country where the support staff are based.
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The difference between Apple and them is that Apple takes the high road. You get quality, excellent design, and a complete experience from beginning to end, and great US based customer service. But, this comes at a higher price. Apple offers unique products that they develop in-house from concept to execution that can't be had anywhere else. They make money by doing it.
It's like, sure you can own a Nissan 370Z and hot rod it to make it run fast, handle well, etc., but if you had the money, you'd rather have a Ferrari. Apple is that Ferrari - well thought out and executed from beginning to end - not just a bunch of parts.
Sure. But Apple is still relegated to single digit marketshare. Because, just like real life, not everybody needs, wants or can afford a Ferrari.
And there's a real possibility they risk the same outcome in the mobile space. Why? Because hardware price just isn't even that much of a differentiator any more. The phones bascially all cost the same. The hardware really isn't that much of a differentiator (is somebody to pick a phone solely on an extra 30 pixels per inch more?). The plans all cost the same. So now it comes down to features. And here there's some room for Apple to improve (particularly on their cloud services side). Counting on third parties to add functionality (like say mifi or navigation for example) or charging for functionality (email through mobileme) is kinda lazy and backwards don't you think?
...they aren't completely ignored (like you imply) either.
Never said they were ignore. Just saying that the public goes "Oh, nice" when a new Android device is released, but "OH! WOW!!!" when a new iPhone is released. There is a big difference. Tech blogs like Engaget and Gizmondo, as well as Android specific blogs and some Linux blogs carry it. So too does some general media. But when an Apple event is held, EVERYONE is tuning in.
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BTW, where did you hear the Galaxy was getting an update next month?
I think Samsung put out a statement committing to a Froyo update in the UK by end September. It would follow that the rest of the world should get it about the same time or shortly after.
Interesting you say that seeing the iPhone is the only one getting bad press on a regular basis when it comes to hardware isssue. The Evo, Incredible and Droid X are build just was well as the iPhone. Also with 2.2 just released to the Evo is a very fast phone.
Android phones don't get bad press for manufacturing problems for the same reason people are hardly surprised when some hacker discovers a crucial Windows exploit
Android and a capacitive touch based phones existed before the iPhones conception. LG was the first to dip their toe in this area; developing their touch based phone at the end of 2004.
That may or may not be true ... I really don't know ... but even if true that only means that for 3 years the technology languished virtually unnoticed until Apple came along with iPhone in 2007
Apple wasn't the first App Market as GetJar existed well before Apple came into the game.
Maybe, but who, besides you, ever heard of them?
The music industry is now heading from rampant piracy to rampant low margin digital downloads. While Apple has been instrumental into getting people to pay for music, they've accidentally killed the "big" music industry.
Low margins beats free pirated any day, in my mind.
Apple didn't create a single download application for all your music, they created the single download application for all your legal music.
I think they "created" the first, easy to use, business model that appealed to the masses ... something the music industry big boys are still fighting against as hard as they can behind the scenes.
My point is simply this ... whether Apple invents/creates something first or not simply doesn't matter. What matters is can they take an existing or new technology to another level .... and their past performance tells me that, more often than not, yes they can .... but that does not, by itself, insure dominant market share .... and that's ok with Apple. They'll just keep on keeping on ... making products and services that a whole lot of us love .... and making a pot load of money as well.
As for the headlines, I'm not sure if you've been watching TV, but here in the US, we get plenty of commercials for new Android releases. Verizon, Samsung, HTC, T-Mobile have all been making commercials. Hell, some of them look like teasers for a new movie that's coming out (see the X commercials). I'm sure other countries have their own commercials.
And the online news community makes a huge stink when new Android devices are made available as well. Everything from the blogs to the major news sites report on them and when they are released, review them and compare them to other devices.
When Apple holds a press conference or an event of some kind, the financial world, electronic world, and everyone waits to see what they come out with next. Even if Motorola had such an event (do they?), it seems no one outside the Android community is really watching. There's a huge difference... Apple makes headlines everywhere about the new iPhone, even on Android blogs. When Samsung released the Galaxy? Very little.
You still miss the point. It's not that the Galaxy sports a Super AMOLED display, or whatever. Google's app store sucks, the quality of the apps is substandard due to Android users not wanting to actually purchase apps...
To me this is a "chicken and egg" situation. Until very, very recently (and I am talking basically this summer), a lot of the apps (particularly the games) sucked. There wasn't much that would compel me to whip out my wallet. Of course that situation then leads to complaints that Android users are cheap.
That is changing though. The stuff coming out now, particularly on the gaming side (I just bought Backbreaker and Skies of Glory), is solid stuff that people will probably pay for. I expect, you'll see the stats on this issue change very soon.
Widgets don?t make sense on tiny screens.
I'm looking at my Droid's 3.7" screen and you could have fooled me. I can see everything from Facebook updates to the weather, to what's on my calendar, to all the texts that have been sent to me (just a tiny sampling of what I have). If I need to add information, I can do it right from the that screen.
All without having to find the icon to launch that particular app.
In related news, all American cars combined outsold the Toyota Camry.
Story at 11.
Exactly.
And ad that after all those sales, the profits were having a hard time breaking even, yet the iPhone is raking it in.
Why? Please tell me somewhere other than the US where Android market share beats (or even gets close) to iPhone's.
There is your answer.
Yep. And that's not the iPhone. If the assertion is that Android copy the iPhone, then where's the widgets on iOS.
My prediction: You'll see it in iOS5.
It doesn't matter if it's on the iPhone, iPad, Ubuntu, Windows, or the Mac. Fact is, Apple had them first, and really popularized them with the Dashboard in OS X. Android is merely copying...
Yep. And that's not the iPhone. If the assertion is that Android copy the iPhone, then where's the widgets on iOS.
My prediction: You'll see it in iOS5.
The widgets are Dashboard Widgets that came in 10.4. Yes, Android copied, along with KDE and GNOME the concept of Dashboard Widgets which had a start also on Windows, but it all goes back to the original patent concept from APPLE.
Widgets don?t make sense on tiny screens.
If you're legally blind or approaching it. Is it really that bad on a 3.5 inch screen? And most widget take up a quarter to half the screen or even the whole screen.
If you are going to suggest widgets are impossible on a "tiny screen" then how the hell do you pick out icons when you use your phone?
I'm looking at my Droid's 3.7" screen and you could have fooled me. I can see everything from Facebook updates to the weather, to what's on my calendar, to all the texts that have been sent to me (just a tiny sampling of what I have). If I need to add information, I can do it right from the that screen.
All without having to find the icon to launch that particular app.
There's no doubt in my mind that Android is superior to iOS in certain areas. iOS, just like MacOS, is made to be simple. It's effective. Sorry, but Apple wrote the original book on an effective UI after extensive research.
If it was such an easy prediction why did not a single person in that old thread agree with me?
It seems obvious now... be cause it happened. Back then, in these forums no one agreed with me.
Maybe because none of us wanted to take the time to point out the obvious.
Would you be happy if I "predicted" that, in the next 5 years, we are going to see some really exciting stuff come along in the tech industry?
Ad far as I know, Apple and Android fans shouldn't fight each other. They should fight Symbian and RIM instead, because those are the horses everyone needs to kick to the last place.
I disagree. If we are to kick Symbian and RIM, we need to go after Android with a chainsaw.
When Apple holds a press conference or an event of some kind, the financial world, electronic world, and everyone waits to see what they come out with next. Even if Motorola had such an event (do they?), it seems no one outside the Android community is really watching. There's a huge difference... Apple makes headlines everywhere about the new iPhone, even on Android blogs. When Samsung released the Galaxy? Very little.
Even with what you perceive to be a small amount of news, plenty of people know about the devices they release. And it's not limited to the Android community. Tech blogs that cover all gambits of devices report on them. And again, there's plenty of commercials for their products on TV.
Do a Google search for Droid or Droid X or even the Galaxy S and tell me how many hits you come up with. While they may not gather "huge" coverage, they aren't completely ignored (like you imply) either.
There's no doubt in my mind that Android is superior to iOS in certain areas. iOS, just like MacOS, is made to be simple. It's effective. Sorry, but Apple wrote the original book on an effective UI after extensive research.
No arguements that iOS is effective. Just saying that widgets work really well on small screen devices.
No. Android... isn't some centralized plot to take down Apple?
I think you may be incorrect about that:
"We did not enter the search business. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won?t let them."
--Steve
Nope. You will always use PC's to hold data and manipulate that data. The mobile market is good, but it has limited use. The iPhone can't do spreadsheets very well, or draw a vector based drawing, render 3D scenes, or even surf very well. What it does is provide a good enough experience on the go.
That's the iPhone. An iPad on the other hand will probably we able to word processing and number crunching on spreadsheets well enough for all but a single digit percentage minority out there.
And even for data storage, I daresay that in short order people will find cloud based storage or simple plug in drives far more desirable than a whole PC. Keep in mind that it's only Apple prohibiting ports on the iPad. Android tablets will probably come with USB ports that let people plug into their terabyte drives to store all their media.
PC's will never die. The fact is that most Windows PC makers are suffering because they've long been in a race to the bottom. As they all have competed to have cheaper and cheaper goods, they've made their quality cheaper and cheaper and therefore commoditized. There's little profit in them, and the quality is garbage: crappy TN based screens, plain unattractive cases, garbage keyboards and mice... There was a time when it was common to get a quality (then Trinitron) monitor, a good high-end Microsoft keyboard and mouse, etc. with your computer. Those days are gone.
Sure PCs won't die. Mainframes never did. But they'll become less and less relevant as time goes by. And it's precisely because of the phenomenon you pointed out. The commodification of PCs simply means there's more money to be made elsewhere (like in mobile computing).
Let's not get into the India based low-grade customer service you now get.
Being of Indian descent, I find this quite offensive and frankly racist. You have an issue with the support provided by a company, then blame company not the country where the support staff are based.
The difference between Apple and them is that Apple takes the high road. You get quality, excellent design, and a complete experience from beginning to end, and great US based customer service. But, this comes at a higher price. Apple offers unique products that they develop in-house from concept to execution that can't be had anywhere else. They make money by doing it.
It's like, sure you can own a Nissan 370Z and hot rod it to make it run fast, handle well, etc., but if you had the money, you'd rather have a Ferrari. Apple is that Ferrari - well thought out and executed from beginning to end - not just a bunch of parts.
Sure. But Apple is still relegated to single digit marketshare. Because, just like real life, not everybody needs, wants or can afford a Ferrari.
And there's a real possibility they risk the same outcome in the mobile space. Why? Because hardware price just isn't even that much of a differentiator any more. The phones bascially all cost the same. The hardware really isn't that much of a differentiator (is somebody to pick a phone solely on an extra 30 pixels per inch more?). The plans all cost the same. So now it comes down to features. And here there's some room for Apple to improve (particularly on their cloud services side). Counting on third parties to add functionality (like say mifi or navigation for example) or charging for functionality (email through mobileme) is kinda lazy and backwards don't you think?
...they aren't completely ignored (like you imply) either.
Never said they were ignore. Just saying that the public goes "Oh, nice" when a new Android device is released, but "OH! WOW!!!" when a new iPhone is released. There is a big difference. Tech blogs like Engaget and Gizmondo, as well as Android specific blogs and some Linux blogs carry it. So too does some general media. But when an Apple event is held, EVERYONE is tuning in.