Apart from the obvious hardware variety, is there a lot you can do with Android you cannot do with a jail-broken iOS device? I am sure there plain feature differences but who apart from the handset manufacturers is really modifying the Android source code?
There IS a lot you can do with a stock Android device compared to a stock iPhone:
1. Most notably, wifi hotspot.
XDA developers is a site that shows you a lot about what Android can do, modded or not.
At least 18 million iOS devices in this quarter (not sure of the exact Touch numbers)... count em... and Steve is just getting started.
Do you really believe that Steve is being complacent.
Oh boy...
Doesn't matter how xMillion many devices were sold... the market is ripe for the picking. There are billions of people with dumb phones that will switch to smart phones eventually. What I'm talking about here is mind share.
There is no room for complacency because Android is not a bump in the night, it's here to stay. I work with nerds and young people on a regular basis. A couple of years ago, the talk (and the money spending) was all about what iPhone they planned to buy... Today these same people only talk about what Android phone they're going to get or switch to. Pooh poohing your competitors might be fun, but it won't get you anywhere. Apple's going to have to step up their game and fix their own problems before throwing jabs at the competition.
When Dell told Apple it should close its doors, sell itself and return the cash to its investors, was that not humility?
When Ballmer predicted openly that iPhone would fail, then claimed that no one would want the iPad, was that intelligence?
When Palm?s CEO laughed at the iPhone and claimed that ?computer guys? do not know how to do phones, was that politeness?
When Adobe CEO came out and claim that Flash, a proprietary closed Adobe product, is ?Open?, was that honesty?
When Schimdt joins the media to stir the Android is ?Open? fire, was that truthfulness?
I think everyone needs to take a step back and turn on our brains.
Bravo!
Your point is important: Steve is no worse than any of these Bozos!
Steve can be a huge asshole, anytime he wants, because, after all, someone out there is worse!
We need to take a step back and look away from Steve. Look at other people. Forget what a jerk Steve is, and get mad at those other guys!
Currently, Steve is allowed to exhibit zero humility, zero intelligence, zero politeness, zero honesty and zero truthfulness. Why? Because OTHER PEOPLE don't do it! See how that works?
Being a low level geek can someone tell me what that cryptic code means? Thanks.
Basically you make a directory on your filesystem, change to that directory, connect to github repository, sync your local app with the remote version and compile (make) your app.
Doesn't matter how xMillion many devices were sold... the market is ripe for the picking. There are billions of people with dumb phones that will switch to smart phones eventually. What I'm talking about here is mind share.
There is no room for complacency because Android is not a bump in the night, it's here to stay. I work with nerds and young people on a regular basis. A couple of years ago, the talk (and the money spending) was all about what iPhone they planned to buy... Today these same people only talk about what Android phone they're going to get or switch to. Pooh poohing your competitors might be fun, but it won't get you anywhere. Apple's going to have to step up their game and fix their own problems before throwing jabs at the competition.
You're right... a friend of my next door neighbour's daughter's ex-husband's brother just bought an Android phone instead of an iPhone... Apple's going to hell.
Okay... I get it... you've got a bone to pick with Apple and you'd rather believe Tweetdeck. Fine. Whatever.
I just don't get why the guy would go to such lengths to make Steve look bad. He could have just said that there are challenges to all platforms... some more than others, some less... and leave it at that... but his statement goes further than that...
I'm not sure how not whole heartedly supporting Jobs statements automatically means someone has a bone to pick with Apple. It's annoying how everything associated with Apple becomes a polarized us vs. them debate. I think owning MacBook Pros and iDevices shouldn't prevent me from having diverse opinions.
In any case, I really don't see how Tweetdeck's CEO goes out of his way to make Steve Jobs look bad. Tweetdeck feels they are being mis-represented by Steve Jobs in a very public way, so this is a serious issue, and they point out that they never said Android development was a nightmare and then go on to say they didn't feel Android development was hard. If your company is being misquoted, I think it's fair to directly clarify things rather than hem and haw around the issue.
Apart from the obvious hardware variety, is there a lot you can do with Android you cannot do with a jail-broken iOS device? I am sure there plain feature differences but who apart from the handset manufacturers is really modifying the Android source code?
Yes, that's a very good point, but to answer, open can be good for developers, and unlocked can be good for consumers (not that you'll find many unlocked Android devices either). But my point was not who benefits, but that it just is. Android open, iOS not.
Steve would probably have been better off saying "Android being claimed as 'open' doesn't appear to be a tangible benefit compared to iOS" instead of saying that it's "disingenuous" because it's not disingenuous, it's a fact - Android is open. Just because it's open doesn't mean that it's good, bad or ugly, it's just open.
I'm not sure how not whole heartedly supporting Jobs statements automatically means someone has a bone to pick with Apple. It's annoying how everything associated with Apple becomes a polarized us vs. them debate. I think owning MacBook Pros and iDevices shouldn't prevent me from having diverse opinions.
In any case, I really don't see how Tweetdeck's CEO goes out of his way to make Steve Jobs look bad. Tweetdeck feels they are being mis-represented by Steve Jobs in a very public way, so this is a serious issue, and they point out that they never said Android development was a nightmare and then go on to say they didn't feel Android development was hard. If your company is being misquoted, I think it's fair to directly clarify things rather than hem and haw around the issue.
You're right... a friend of my next door neighbour's daughter's ex-husband's brother just bought an Android phone instead of an iPhone... Apple's going to hell.
That was such a iPhone-centric response. "Denial ain't a river in Egypt, my friend."
If you say a general sentence that supporting lots of different versions (OS and hardware) is a clear challenge, almost everybody will agree. Whether it is 'daunting' can be debated, but most will agree that it can be daunting.
I'm truly amazed at the level of blatant "sheeplike" responses here. This is serious business, folks. For what it's worth, Apple's surge to dominance is under attack by Android and Jobs knows it. That's why he made the rare appearance at this type of event to bash Android (as well as Blackberry, which poses little threat).
It's now the war of # of activations, which Google started back in May with 160,000 activations/day, then over 200K/day. Then Jobs countered with a higher number and now again with close to 300K. I'm sure Google will respond in kind as well.
iPhone people take note: as much as you want to deny the stats that show Android is about to overtake iPhone for the foreseeable future (and already has for the past 6 months in sale--the articles are aplenty on that), it really behooves Apple to take action now before they become the next Blackberry.
He just made it all up out of whole cloth. He didn't even get the name right. he was just spouting bullshit. He had zero actual knowledge about the subject of his statement. He was expressing an unsubstantiated opinion by means of making up "facts" which involve a little bit of truthiness, but which are at their base, bullshit.
Obviously.
Obviously. You. Didn't. Or. Couldn't. Be. Bothered. To. Read.
Wovels post to TweetDecks own blog. I guess the TweetDeck CEO forgot his mobile engineering VP has blog posting privileges too.
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And as for being ?open.?
Android has so far only been open to the carriers and phone makers doing whatever they please with it. Once again, Steve is right on.
Apart from the obvious hardware variety, is there a lot you can do with Android you cannot do with a jail-broken iOS device? I am sure there plain feature differences but who apart from the handset manufacturers is really modifying the Android source code?
There IS a lot you can do with a stock Android device compared to a stock iPhone:
1. Most notably, wifi hotspot.
XDA developers is a site that shows you a lot about what Android can do, modded or not.
Android does have a fragmentation issue?especially when compared to iOS. So Steve is dead on.
And as for being ?open.?
Android has so far only been open to the carriers and phone makers doing whatever they please with it. Once again, Steve is right on.
Another sheep being led to the slaughter.
This industry would be sooo boring without Mr. Jobs
Armchair quarterbacks... love em.
At least 18 million iOS devices in this quarter (not sure of the exact Touch numbers)... count em... and Steve is just getting started.
Do you really believe that Steve is being complacent.
Oh boy...
Doesn't matter how xMillion many devices were sold... the market is ripe for the picking. There are billions of people with dumb phones that will switch to smart phones eventually. What I'm talking about here is mind share.
There is no room for complacency because Android is not a bump in the night, it's here to stay. I work with nerds and young people on a regular basis. A couple of years ago, the talk (and the money spending) was all about what iPhone they planned to buy... Today these same people only talk about what Android phone they're going to get or switch to. Pooh poohing your competitors might be fun, but it won't get you anywhere. Apple's going to have to step up their game and fix their own problems before throwing jabs at the competition.
When Dell told Apple it should close its doors, sell itself and return the cash to its investors, was that not humility?
When Ballmer predicted openly that iPhone would fail, then claimed that no one would want the iPad, was that intelligence?
When Palm?s CEO laughed at the iPhone and claimed that ?computer guys? do not know how to do phones, was that politeness?
When Adobe CEO came out and claim that Flash, a proprietary closed Adobe product, is ?Open?, was that honesty?
When Schimdt joins the media to stir the Android is ?Open? fire, was that truthfulness?
I think everyone needs to take a step back and turn on our brains.
Bravo!
Your point is important: Steve is no worse than any of these Bozos!
Steve can be a huge asshole, anytime he wants, because, after all, someone out there is worse!
We need to take a step back and look away from Steve. Look at other people. Forget what a jerk Steve is, and get mad at those other guys!
Currently, Steve is allowed to exhibit zero humility, zero intelligence, zero politeness, zero honesty and zero truthfulness. Why? Because OTHER PEOPLE don't do it! See how that works?
Being a low level geek can someone tell me what that cryptic code means? Thanks.
Basically you make a directory on your filesystem, change to that directory, connect to github repository, sync your local app with the remote version and compile (make) your app.
BTW the lower you go the geekier you get.
Doesn't matter how xMillion many devices were sold... the market is ripe for the picking. There are billions of people with dumb phones that will switch to smart phones eventually. What I'm talking about here is mind share.
There is no room for complacency because Android is not a bump in the night, it's here to stay. I work with nerds and young people on a regular basis. A couple of years ago, the talk (and the money spending) was all about what iPhone they planned to buy... Today these same people only talk about what Android phone they're going to get or switch to. Pooh poohing your competitors might be fun, but it won't get you anywhere. Apple's going to have to step up their game and fix their own problems before throwing jabs at the competition.
You're right... a friend of my next door neighbour's daughter's ex-husband's brother just bought an Android phone instead of an iPhone... Apple's going to hell.
Face it, if your product name is TweetDick, people are going to get it wrong from time to time.
Definition of open: this guy can still access your data, even though he no longer works for Google.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...s-2080464.html
Naw. The definition of "open" is "iOS". From now on, whenever someone says that iOS is not open, they will be wrong, by definition.
That is the power of marketing. iOS is Open. It is the most open thing in the world. It is open in every sense of the word.
iOS is OPEN. don't forget...
And as for being ?open.?
Android has so far only been open to the carriers and phone makers doing whatever they please with it. Once again, Steve is right on.
Yes indeed. So far Android has ONLY been open to the phone makers.
But some would argue that that is NOT being "open", and therefore, Android is NOT OPEN in any sense of the word.
Open is what iOS is. Android is not open. Instead, it is "fragmented".
Okay... I get it... you've got a bone to pick with Apple and you'd rather believe Tweetdeck. Fine. Whatever.
I just don't get why the guy would go to such lengths to make Steve look bad. He could have just said that there are challenges to all platforms... some more than others, some less... and leave it at that... but his statement goes further than that...
I'm not sure how not whole heartedly supporting Jobs statements automatically means someone has a bone to pick with Apple. It's annoying how everything associated with Apple becomes a polarized us vs. them debate. I think owning MacBook Pros and iDevices shouldn't prevent me from having diverse opinions.
http://twitter.com/iaindodsworth/statuses/27813412620#
In any case, I really don't see how Tweetdeck's CEO goes out of his way to make Steve Jobs look bad. Tweetdeck feels they are being mis-represented by Steve Jobs in a very public way, so this is a serious issue, and they point out that they never said Android development was a nightmare and then go on to say they didn't feel Android development was hard. If your company is being misquoted, I think it's fair to directly clarify things rather than hem and haw around the issue.
Apart from the obvious hardware variety, is there a lot you can do with Android you cannot do with a jail-broken iOS device? I am sure there plain feature differences but who apart from the handset manufacturers is really modifying the Android source code?
Yes, that's a very good point, but to answer, open can be good for developers, and unlocked can be good for consumers (not that you'll find many unlocked Android devices either). But my point was not who benefits, but that it just is. Android open, iOS not.
Steve would probably have been better off saying "Android being claimed as 'open' doesn't appear to be a tangible benefit compared to iOS" instead of saying that it's "disingenuous" because it's not disingenuous, it's a fact - Android is open. Just because it's open doesn't mean that it's good, bad or ugly, it's just open.
I'm not sure how not whole heartedly supporting Jobs statements automatically means someone has a bone to pick with Apple. It's annoying how everything associated with Apple becomes a polarized us vs. them debate. I think owning MacBook Pros and iDevices shouldn't prevent me from having diverse opinions.
http://twitter.com/iaindodsworth/statuses/27813412620#
In any case, I really don't see how Tweetdeck's CEO goes out of his way to make Steve Jobs look bad. Tweetdeck feels they are being mis-represented by Steve Jobs in a very public way, so this is a serious issue, and they point out that they never said Android development was a nightmare and then go on to say they didn't feel Android development was hard. If your company is being misquoted, I think it's fair to directly clarify things rather than hem and haw around the issue.
Okay... so you also can't read. Whatever.
You're right... a friend of my next door neighbour's daughter's ex-husband's brother just bought an Android phone instead of an iPhone... Apple's going to hell.
That was such a iPhone-centric response. "Denial ain't a river in Egypt, my friend."
That was such a iPhone-centric response. "Denial ain't a river in Egypt, my friend."
Get back to me in 2 years and we'll see if Apple is bankrupt yet.
Faith in Apple... yeah... why not.
lol... by the way, you're not my friend.
And this is true because...
If you say a general sentence that supporting lots of different versions (OS and hardware) is a clear challenge, almost everybody will agree. Whether it is 'daunting' can be debated, but most will agree that it can be daunting.
It's now the war of # of activations, which Google started back in May with 160,000 activations/day, then over 200K/day. Then Jobs countered with a higher number and now again with close to 300K. I'm sure Google will respond in kind as well.
iPhone people take note: as much as you want to deny the stats that show Android is about to overtake iPhone for the foreseeable future (and already has for the past 6 months in sale--the articles are aplenty on that), it really behooves Apple to take action now before they become the next Blackberry.
Let the flames begin!
Get back to me in 2 years and we'll see if Apple is bankrupt yet.
Faith in Apple... yeah... why not.
lol... by the way, you're not my friend.
haha. I never said anything about bankrupt, and neither is anyone else. It just won't have the market dominance or power it has now.
And the "my friend" was part of a quote.
He just made it all up out of whole cloth. He didn't even get the name right. he was just spouting bullshit. He had zero actual knowledge about the subject of his statement. He was expressing an unsubstantiated opinion by means of making up "facts" which involve a little bit of truthiness, but which are at their base, bullshit.
Obviously.
Obviously. You. Didn't. Or. Couldn't. Be. Bothered. To. Read.
Wovels post to TweetDecks own blog. I guess the TweetDeck CEO forgot his mobile engineering VP has blog posting privileges too.