First look: Apple's Mac App Store simplifies buying, updating software

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  • Reply 61 of 163
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,662member
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    Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post


    If you buy a disc of iLife, you can sell that legally. Anything purchased digitally via itunes cannot be. Same goes for anything on Amazon as far as music is concerned.



    If it is cheaper, then that's a fair trade off.



    Sorry, but Apple and their banning apps on a whim even when they approved them to begin with iOS is proof enough. Microsoft copied this for their mobile app store so they are not any better, and they themselves wanted to lock down the PC many times, but the public refused, thankfully.



    You can only sell it if you sell the entire thing, with no copies for yourself or others. Since you don't own the software, just the media, you need permission to transfer the license. Yeah, I know most people don't do it, but it's legally required.



    Generally, I think we'll find most apps to be cheaper, as Apple is doing with their own. Aperture at $79.95, for example.



    No store sells everything. They all have standards they apply, and all are applied erratically. Apple is no different. I'm not thrilled, but I understand how it works.
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  • Reply 62 of 163
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    There is not currently a way to have the App Store recognize previously installed, paid third-party software, as this would leave Apple out of its 30 percent cut of all App Store sales. That means users who want the convenience of the App Store will need to buy the software again.



    Not true. The App Store immediately recognized my copy of BBEdit and labels it as installed.
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  • Reply 63 of 163
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,662member
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    Originally Posted by AdonisSMU View Post


    What you can re-download the apps as long as it's tied to your itunes account.



    You can. I was responding to the statement that re-downloading apps would be a pain if they got lost from your device. They are backed up in your app folder.
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  • Reply 64 of 163
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    It is nice having the store outside iTunes. Hopefully, they split off the AppStore for the iPhone and iPad too. iTunes does too much right now.



    I like it too, E. And that was my first thought too. I like it a lot better than iTunes....they should break out



    Podcasts

    Books

    Ringtones

    movies

    TV shows

    Radio

    Apps from iTunes just like they have done with OSX Apps...



    ITunes should only be for 'tunes' They certainly could have links to the other "stores!"



    Really impressed. Already downloaded a few apps...try MindNode pretty cool for organizing thoughts. projects, businesses, life, etc.



    They should do the same with a Hardware store, too. I know it's on the website but I think the store should me on the desktop like it is on the iPhone.
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  • Reply 65 of 163
    macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member
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  • Reply 67 of 163
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    You can only sell it if you sell the entire thing, with no copies for yourself or others. Since you don't own the software, just the media, you need permission to transfer the license. Yeah, I know most people don't do it, but it's legally required.



    Well of course you have to sell the whole thing, but you can. Aside from assholes at Autodesk, you are allowed to transfer the license to others.



    Even then, each court case I've read about upholds the first sale doctrine, regardless of what they think they can do.
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    macrulezmacrulez Posts: 2,455member
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  • Reply 69 of 163
    nclincli Posts: 5member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    I'd like to see the information about school PCs.



    Of course: W3Schools
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  • Reply 70 of 163
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 4,044member
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    Originally Posted by esummers View Post


    I love how you can easily install your software on multiple machines that you own.



    Are you saying you can buy once and install on multiple machines in your house? Used to have to buy multiple copies or a Family Pack to do that.
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  • Reply 71 of 163
    nclincli Posts: 5member
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    Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post


    You don't download stuff like that nowadays.



    For instance, if you want VLC, you get the repository address, add it via one click, then it installs itself AND its dependencies. Sames goes for apps like Transmission, Handbrake, Chromium, etc.



    As you know, in Ubuntu, you simply open the Software Center, search for the application, then press install.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post


    Mac people talking about Linux in 2011 sound like Windows people talking about Mac in 1997.



    So true.
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  • Reply 72 of 163
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Dealbreaker for some.

    .



    It shouldn't be...Apple's "insistence" on upgrading and having all their resources/personnel directed at the latest OS seriously minimizes bugs and glitches.



    In other words Apple engineers are only writing code, testing code and implementing said code for one version of the OS.



    This make a lot more sense than what MS has been trying to do for years...Legacy, legacy, legacy.



    I for one, am willing to sign on to the philosophy because it makes sense. SL at $30 is a deal. I also bought iLife '11.



    Best Chris



    PS. App store recognized my iLife '11 as already installed!
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  • Reply 73 of 163
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    You can back them up. They end up in your applications folder.



    I was replying to someone saying there's no need for backups. I was explaining why his argument was fallacy.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post


    It shouldn't be...Apple's "insistence" on upgrading and having all their resources/personnel directed at the latest OS seriously minimizes bugs and glitches.



    In other words Apple engineers are only writing code, testing code and implementing said code for one version of the OS.



    This make a lot more sense than what MS has been trying to do for years...Legacy, legacy, legacy.



    And yet businesses don't update because of software that only works with previous versions of OS X. Many, many people don't 1-up until they're two versions behind.
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  • Reply 74 of 163
    nclincli Posts: 5member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post


    It shouldn't be...Apple's "insistence" on upgrading and having all their resources/personnel directed at the latest OS seriously minimizes bugs and glitches.



    In other words Apple engineers are only writing code, testing code and implementing said code for one version of the OS.



    This make a lot more sense than what MS has been trying to do for years...Legacy, legacy, legacy.



    I for one, am willing to sign on to the philosophy because it makes sense. SL at $30 is a deal. I also bought iLife '11.



    Best Chris



    I initially installed Ubuntu 6.06 for 0 USD, and I've upgraded through every release up 'till now, without paying a cent. Apple makes plenty on hardware and the software sold through the App Store to let people at the very least upgrade their OS for free.
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  • Reply 75 of 163
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    I was replying to someone saying there's no need for backups. I was explaining why his argument was fallacy.







    And yet businesses don't update because of software that only works with previous versions of OS X. Many, many people don't 1-up until they're two versions behind.



    Agreed! But when Apple introduces something new...I don't think it's illegitimate of them to require the latest OS....



    From a personal stand point I would prefer all Apple's engineers talents/efforts directed to the latest OS as opposed to redirecting those limited resources towards older generations of the OS. It just seems setting ones self up for a lot of headaches.



    Anyway, I take your point about businesses updating, but I think that may be a hold over from them dealing so much with MS...where the rule of thumb was, "NEVER upgrade!



    Best!
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  • Reply 76 of 163
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 4,044member
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    Originally Posted by rain View Post


    So how do you back up the software purchases?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wonder View Post


    1. No real need to backup as you can download your purchased Apps as many times from the Mac App Store as you like.



    Another good reason to plug in a back up drive and turn on TimeMachine. If you have a crash you can reinstall everything, including your apps, from TimeMachine. I had to do this just last week for the first time since starting to make back ups and it made what had formerly been an expensive, time consuming, data losing and nerve wracking debacle into a minor inconvenience.
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  • Reply 77 of 163
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    Originally Posted by NCLI View Post


    I initially installed Ubuntu 6.06 for 0 USD, and I've upgraded through every release up 'till now, without paying a cent. Apple makes plenty on hardware and the software sold through the App Store to let people at the very least upgrade their OS for free.



    Yep free is good, but not always best. I appreciate all the PHD's at Apple perfecting the OS at an incredible rate....I guess I show that by purchasing the latest upgraded SW. I look it as more of an investment in my productivity and encouraging Apple also.



    I know that may sound a little naive, but I bought the original iPhone and it instantly changed my level of productivity. Mainly managing contacts, visual voicemail and email. Essentially, I was paying $30 a month for being an early adopter...but it was well worth it.



    My iPhone 4 is a dream and can't wait to get the 2nd gen. iPad and MBA!



    Best!
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  • Reply 78 of 163
    kotatsukotatsu Posts: 1,010member
    Seems pretty good so far, and such an obvious step it's amazing Apple didn't do it years ago.



    Obviously missing are all of the serious productivity apps, I assume because Autodesk, Adobe, and Microsoft would be rather less than happy to hand over 30% to Apple. Does make the graphics section rather odd though to see Photoshop, Maya, and Mudbox all missing.
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  • Reply 79 of 163
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    Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post


    Seems pretty good so far, and such an obvious step it's amazing Apple didn't do it years ago.



    Obviously missing are all of the serious productivity apps, I assume because Autodesk, Adobe, and Microsoft would be rather less than happy to hand over 30% to Apple. Does make the graphics section rather odd though to see Photoshop, Maya, and Mudbox all missing.



    Yep, Adobe is stuck in the '90's!
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  • Reply 80 of 163
    pmzpmz Posts: 3,433member
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    But browsing the Mac App Store in its own application does seem strange, given that iOS App Store purchases can only be made on Mac OS X through iTunes, where users also manage and sync their iPhone and iPad.



    Strange to who? The Mac App Store has nothing to do with iTunes.



    iOS products have everything to do with iTunes.
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