Do you imagine that such distinctions matter to an AI writer? This is just another Digler hit piece.
Whilst I understand everything said was technically correct, I think it is only fair to assume that they purposely choose which figures to reveal and which to hide. Perfectly legal of course but no harm in pointing out that they are indeed hiding behind numbers they know are not really relevant.
Really, why did they introduce this product? Because they had to? Because the Board of Directors expected it? Think of all the money they dumped on this. It is really a bad decision on the behalf of the management. Was it be damned if you do, and damned if you don't, so take the expensive route? Was there a market for it? Did they calculate that? Who bought this thing? Did staples say they needed a tablet, so they got this one? Didn't they know that if people looked at it, and played with it, it would drive them to buy an Ipad?
Anyone know why this product was even released?
Or is it not obvious to the people who market consumer electronics that the game has changed on them?
I am now going to become a consumer electronic product consultant. It is obvious to me what is apparently not obvious to these folks. Anyone have any leads for me to follow?
So what's the deal with Samsung using an inverted V as the A in their name? Trying to save a buck here and there? Just think how crappy Vpple, iPvd, and Mvc would look.
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread, just curious.
When I first saw 22% I thought 22% my ass. I should be seeing one Samsung in the wild for every 4 iPads but I ain't seeing it. I haven't even seen one Samsung, period.
Could be regional differences, of course. Maybe whatever they sell is mostly in Asia. Still, stuff that seems to be sitting in inventory at resellers does not impress a lot.
What is Apple's mix btw? How many go to resellers, how many are sold directly to customers? Do we know?
What was Samsung thinking? How on earth did they imagine that is was going to work for them to make a big deal of millions of "sales" and then admit that sales are "quite small"?
My guess is that there's going to be some strenuous walk-back within the day, as this story blows up on line. Maybe they thought an offhand remark would slip under the radar, but they're going to have to say something. You know, executive misspoke, didn't have all the info, or just the boilerplate "We are very pleased with the performance" etc.
My guess is their lawyers told them you're probably committing securities fraud when you lie about your sales figures.
Starting to get the lay of AI land finally. For example, I just knew from the headline this article was gonna have a DED byline!!
DED is absolutely brilliant on this one. First AI gets the trolls all lathered up with the early morning article about how Android tablets are kicking the iPad's behind. The trolls are ecstatic believing that the iPad "killer" has arrived. All is lost for "closed" Apple. Then, this afternoon, DED drops a bomb on the trolls. The iPad "killer" is actually a big pile of "caca de toro".
I knew those sale figures were bunk when I started to see the buy one get one free Galaxy Tab ads. I doubt they're even manufacturing more for restocking the channel after the initial 2 million sold, as Best Buy and other retailers have reduced their status to "not available online" and "check stores".
Could be regional differences, of course. Maybe whatever they sell is mostly in Asia.
Could be. I think Koreans are very nationalistic consumers. Back when Hyundai was selling crap cars, my informal survey based on casual observation was that a high proportion of people driving Hyundais in the States were Koreans.
Not anymore, to their credit Hyundais are no longer crap.
It can't be assumed that this is channel stuffing. There could have been real expectations that both WP7 and the Galaxy Tab would have sold close to those numbers, even though it didn't work out.
Channel stuffing is when a company puts more product into the channel than they KNOW they will sell just to make the financials. We would have to see evidence of that. It's a serious misjudgment, because it is illegal to report stuffing as income for the quarter.
actually that's how it traditionally works.
they stuff the channel with version 1, few months later release version 2 and put the previous version on fire sale. Then stuff the channel with version 2.
It's a curiosity just for tech-heads, nerds, and geeks that continuously believe that every user should be certified in computer science in order to use computers.
This is the same bullshit that was flung at the Mac for years.... mice, no command-line = toy!
It's the same attitude I saw for years as a MiniCAD/Vectorworks user coming from AutoCAD users....
If a thing isn't hard, it's not valid. If it's in any way pleasurable, It's not valid.
One must suffer to call something real work. Anything else is a joke.
Starting to get the lay of AI land finally. For example, I just knew from the headline this article was gonna have a DED byline!!
Mmmm...
Google "Tab sales quite small." This is a story all over the web, the headlines are typically in line with the AI piece. Just because something happens that reflects poorly on an Apple rival and AI reports it doesn't make some kind of DED spin.
At least I have to give the guy credit to at least have some kind of decency to man-up and tell it like it is.
At first, I thought so too. After reading the whole article, I realized that this was a response to a question during quarterly conference call. And there, you don't lie; there's always a risk of a shareholder lawsuit if you do!
I happened to be in an Office Depot the other day waiting on some printing work, and noticed a Galaxy display, so thought I'd play for a minute. A minute was all it took to walk away in aggravation. The touch and slide interface on that thing is horrible to say the least. I had to tap things 3 and 4 times to select. And the sliding with your fingertip was choppy and almost unusable.
No wonder this POS went down in flames. You don't realize the elegance of the iPad/iPhone until you use something like this. I love Samsung LCD's. They should be ashamed to disgrace their branding with this hunk of dung.
I was actually thinking of buying that Samsung POS So I went to BestBuy and spent 1 frustrating hour trying and failing to use the damn thing. I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to turn off that annoying key clicking sound - I spent a full 10 minutes trying to navigate that unintuitive interface in the utilties function OMG who are these folks at Samsung trying to fool. As a result I am not selling my apple shares and am look forward to riding them up to over 400 this year once the sales figures for the iPad are released and the Galaxy tab burns and dies.
You people who haven't demoed the Samsung go do it now and you will see what I means for yourself. It is a disaster!
I agree with the comment above... When will they learn? Yes, they had a "form factor" from which to reverse engineer, thanks to Apple's ipad, but you have to offer at something close to equal usability for the user. It's called "quality!"
MS, Dell and others are notorious for rushing a subpar product to market and then wonder why it flops.
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Do you imagine that such distinctions matter to an AI writer? This is just another Digler hit piece.
Whilst I understand everything said was technically correct, I think it is only fair to assume that they purposely choose which figures to reveal and which to hide. Perfectly legal of course but no harm in pointing out that they are indeed hiding behind numbers they know are not really relevant.
Anyone know why this product was even released?
Or is it not obvious to the people who market consumer electronics that the game has changed on them?
I am now going to become a consumer electronic product consultant. It is obvious to me what is apparently not obvious to these folks. Anyone have any leads for me to follow?
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread, just curious.
When I first saw 22% I thought 22% my ass. I should be seeing one Samsung in the wild for every 4 iPads but I ain't seeing it. I haven't even seen one Samsung, period.
Could be regional differences, of course. Maybe whatever they sell is mostly in Asia. Still, stuff that seems to be sitting in inventory at resellers does not impress a lot.
What is Apple's mix btw? How many go to resellers, how many are sold directly to customers? Do we know?
What was Samsung thinking? How on earth did they imagine that is was going to work for them to make a big deal of millions of "sales" and then admit that sales are "quite small"?
My guess is that there's going to be some strenuous walk-back within the day, as this story blows up on line. Maybe they thought an offhand remark would slip under the radar, but they're going to have to say something. You know, executive misspoke, didn't have all the info, or just the boilerplate "We are very pleased with the performance" etc.
My guess is their lawyers told them you're probably committing securities fraud when you lie about your sales figures.
Starting to get the lay of AI land finally. For example, I just knew from the headline this article was gonna have a DED byline!!
DED is absolutely brilliant on this one. First AI gets the trolls all lathered up with the early morning article about how Android tablets are kicking the iPad's behind. The trolls are ecstatic believing that the iPad "killer" has arrived. All is lost for "closed" Apple. Then, this afternoon, DED drops a bomb on the trolls. The iPad "killer" is actually a big pile of "caca de toro".
Brilliant Dan, simply brilliant!
Could be regional differences, of course. Maybe whatever they sell is mostly in Asia.
Could be. I think Koreans are very nationalistic consumers. Back when Hyundai was selling crap cars, my informal survey based on casual observation was that a high proportion of people driving Hyundais in the States were Koreans.
Not anymore, to their credit Hyundais are no longer crap.
It can't be assumed that this is channel stuffing. There could have been real expectations that both WP7 and the Galaxy Tab would have sold close to those numbers, even though it didn't work out.
Channel stuffing is when a company puts more product into the channel than they KNOW they will sell just to make the financials. We would have to see evidence of that. It's a serious misjudgment, because it is illegal to report stuffing as income for the quarter.
actually that's how it traditionally works.
they stuff the channel with version 1, few months later release version 2 and put the previous version on fire sale. Then stuff the channel with version 2.
It's a curiosity just for tech-heads, nerds, and geeks that continuously believe that every user should be certified in computer science in order to use computers.
This is the same bullshit that was flung at the Mac for years.... mice, no command-line = toy!
It's the same attitude I saw for years as a MiniCAD/Vectorworks user coming from AutoCAD users....
If a thing isn't hard, it's not valid. If it's in any way pleasurable, It's not valid.
One must suffer to call something real work. Anything else is a joke.
The joke goes the other way.
BBC and EuroNews are the most anti Apple in Europe.
Agreed. The BBC tech coverage is embarrassingly anti apple. They often state such nonsense they make themselves look stupid.
My Wife, my dog and I have 3 each...
But.....where are they - oh, you say the Dog ate them?
Starting to get the lay of AI land finally. For example, I just knew from the headline this article was gonna have a DED byline!!
Mmmm...
Google "Tab sales quite small." This is a story all over the web, the headlines are typically in line with the AI piece. Just because something happens that reflects poorly on an Apple rival and AI reports it doesn't make some kind of DED spin.
At least I have to give the guy credit to at least have some kind of decency to man-up and tell it like it is.
At first, I thought so too. After reading the whole article, I realized that this was a response to a question during quarterly conference call. And there, you don't lie; there's always a risk of a shareholder lawsuit if you do!
I happened to be in an Office Depot the other day waiting on some printing work, and noticed a Galaxy display, so thought I'd play for a minute. A minute was all it took to walk away in aggravation. The touch and slide interface on that thing is horrible to say the least. I had to tap things 3 and 4 times to select. And the sliding with your fingertip was choppy and almost unusable.
No wonder this POS went down in flames. You don't realize the elegance of the iPad/iPhone until you use something like this. I love Samsung LCD's. They should be ashamed to disgrace their branding with this hunk of dung.
I was actually thinking of buying that Samsung POS So I went to BestBuy and spent 1 frustrating hour trying and failing to use the damn thing. I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to turn off that annoying key clicking sound - I spent a full 10 minutes trying to navigate that unintuitive interface in the utilties function OMG who are these folks at Samsung trying to fool. As a result I am not selling my apple shares and am look forward to riding them up to over 400 this year once the sales figures for the iPad are released and the Galaxy tab burns and dies.
You people who haven't demoed the Samsung go do it now and you will see what I means for yourself. It is a disaster!
I agree with the comment above... When will they learn? Yes, they had a "form factor" from which to reverse engineer, thanks to Apple's ipad, but you have to offer at something close to equal usability for the user. It's called "quality!"
MS, Dell and others are notorious for rushing a subpar product to market and then wonder why it flops.
So true.
BBC and EuroNews are the most anti Apple in Europe.
The BBC has been ever since the toy called the BBC Micro was released.