Why all the noise about Galaxy Tab when it couldn't compete.
Jobs was right about problems with the form factor.
bollcks
the form factor was great
the price was the stupid part, plus the contracts - if you have a phone, nobody wants to have an extra friggen contract for a tab - apple realised this to start with
I’m surprised Daniel wrote this article based on the title. I expected something like, "Samsung admits center of Galaxy Tab is a black hole of disappointing sales". I like the over-the-top headlines. They are funny.
That is a subject that does irk me. Here we are in a world where everyone plays the eco-green card. Exactly what happens with all that crap inventory? Even if they sell them for one dollar, they will end up being used for five minutes and then gather dust in some drawer, only to be tossed away in a landfill.
Companies (including Apple) do charge a "recycling" fee on these kind of purchases. Perhaps we should expect the same with folks that build this garbage, only to end up being said-garbage.
But you can fit one in your hand and it plays flash. At least that was what the girl at Costco told me. Like I said in the previous article - go to a store that sells both and they'll tell you the iPad outsells the galaxy 50 to 1.
By the way, I stopped at an AT&T store and asked about phones, and the guy told me their #1 seller is the iPhone - by far. That's why I think all these research firms are full of sh*t. Talk to people with first hand knowledge.
I?m surprised Daniel wrote this article based on the title. I expected something like, "Samsung admits center of Galaxy Tab is a black hole of disappointing sales". I like the over-the-top headlines. They are funny.
Well he hasn't spun I mean commented yet on the whole 33 million android vs. 16 million sales of iOS yet
Remember Palm? They were reporting good sell-in numbers (did not specify how much Pre though) and then dropped to almost nothing? They managed to keep the illusion for two earnings reports, and then... As far as I remember, their shares dropped from $18 to $4 in a week or so.
Remember Zune? Microsoft promised to sell one million units during the first year, ending in the summer. Many "journalists" tried hard to make people feel this is a huge number, although Apple was selling an order of magnitude more - every quarter. Then Microsoft reported that they met their target almost a month early, in June. But those were "sold-in", not "sold-out". In December you could buy those 1st gen Zunes with 50% to 70% discount. You know how the Zune story ends.
Back to now. It will be easier to paint the Galaxy Tap sales dropping to zero as a result of new Android tablets coming to the market. But this won't be the whole story. And we will never know the truth.
Ahh...
But, we have gained from the experience -- no longer will we accept manufacturer's and analyst's numbers at face value. They will have to substantiate their numbers to actually have the desired effect -- otherwise they will be open to ridicule, or worse.
I wonder what the analyst and his company will do to earn a living next year -- same for the PR/Marketing execs at Samsung.
Why don't we ask the analysts about the numbers that comprise "iOS Sales" and "Android Sales". Where do they get these numbers? How do they verify them? Why should we believe them?
True, but it is clearly a misrepresentation of sales data. Samsung made it seem as though their product was actually selling to customers. Now they're stuck with a full channel and more than likely won't be able to "sell" as many in the following quarter. This is probably why they're warning investors of small actual sales numbers now. And the possibility of many left in the channel being dumped when newer Android tablets hit the market.
If this was a misrepresentation of sales, then every manufacturer that does not sell directly to the public misrepresents sales every quarter.
If they forced partners (ie, carriers/retailers) to buy inventory, then there may be some legal improprieties there. But otherwise, a sale is a sale. MS and Samsung don't sell direct to consumers (for the most part). Their customers are their retailers, so yes, a sale is a sale when the inventory is transferred to the carrier or retail partner.
Now, is it misleading? Yes. Of course people want to know the actual units sold to customers, not those sold to retailers. But the retailers aren't required to divulge that info. Notice, when pressed by the analyst Samsung never actually said exactly how many units were "sell-outs" since they don't have to. They know the number, but are under no obligation to share it.
If people aren't actually buying them it means they won't be able to push two more million to the already saturated channels next time. It does matter.
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Why all the noise about Galaxy Tab when it couldn't compete.
Jobs was right about problems with the form factor.
bollcks
the form factor was great
the price was the stupid part, plus the contracts - if you have a phone, nobody wants to have an extra friggen contract for a tab - apple realised this to start with
I just hope this iPad wannabe crap is recyclable.
That is a subject that does irk me. Here we are in a world where everyone plays the eco-green card. Exactly what happens with all that crap inventory? Even if they sell them for one dollar, they will end up being used for five minutes and then gather dust in some drawer, only to be tossed away in a landfill.
Companies (including Apple) do charge a "recycling" fee on these kind of purchases. Perhaps we should expect the same with folks that build this garbage, only to end up being said-garbage.
BBC and EuroNews are the most anti Apple in Europe.
That's a bizarre comment. The BBC will not run this because it's really not much of a story, especially whilst Egypt is getting ready to catch fire.
By the way, I stopped at an AT&T store and asked about phones, and the guy told me their #1 seller is the iPhone - by far. That's why I think all these research firms are full of sh*t. Talk to people with first hand knowledge.
Where's the "IT guy" here that said they'd sell like hotcakes because they fit in cargo pant pockets and all his buds were panting for them?
He was pants?
This is the same bullshit that was flung at the Mac for years.... mice, no command-line = toy!
It's the same attitude I saw for years as a MiniCAD/Vectorworks user coming from AutoCAD users....
If a thing isn't hard, it's not valid. If it's in any way pleasurable, It's not valid.
One must suffer to call something real work. Anything else is a joke.
The joke goes the other way.
Well somebody has to make all those iOS apps. Apple and their UI can take care of the rest.
I?m surprised Daniel wrote this article based on the title. I expected something like, "Samsung admits center of Galaxy Tab is a black hole of disappointing sales". I like the over-the-top headlines. They are funny.
Well he hasn't spun I mean commented yet on the whole 33 million android vs. 16 million sales of iOS yet
Remember Palm? They were reporting good sell-in numbers (did not specify how much Pre though) and then dropped to almost nothing? They managed to keep the illusion for two earnings reports, and then... As far as I remember, their shares dropped from $18 to $4 in a week or so.
Remember Zune? Microsoft promised to sell one million units during the first year, ending in the summer. Many "journalists" tried hard to make people feel this is a huge number, although Apple was selling an order of magnitude more - every quarter. Then Microsoft reported that they met their target almost a month early, in June. But those were "sold-in", not "sold-out". In December you could buy those 1st gen Zunes with 50% to 70% discount. You know how the Zune story ends.
Back to now. It will be easier to paint the Galaxy Tap sales dropping to zero as a result of new Android tablets coming to the market. But this won't be the whole story. And we will never know the truth.
Ahh...
But, we have gained from the experience -- no longer will we accept manufacturer's and analyst's numbers at face value. They will have to substantiate their numbers to actually have the desired effect -- otherwise they will be open to ridicule, or worse.
I wonder what the analyst and his company will do to earn a living next year -- same for the PR/Marketing execs at Samsung.
Why don't we ask the analysts about the numbers that comprise "iOS Sales" and "Android Sales". Where do they get these numbers? How do they verify them? Why should we believe them?
Well he hasn't spun I mean commented yet on the whole 33 million android vs. 16 million sales of iOS yet
I can spin that - it was 33 m android vs 33 m iOs ( of which 16M were phones)
Also - supply constraints. Still worrying, though.
True, but it is clearly a misrepresentation of sales data. Samsung made it seem as though their product was actually selling to customers. Now they're stuck with a full channel and more than likely won't be able to "sell" as many in the following quarter. This is probably why they're warning investors of small actual sales numbers now. And the possibility of many left in the channel being dumped when newer Android tablets hit the market.
If this was a misrepresentation of sales, then every manufacturer that does not sell directly to the public misrepresents sales every quarter.
LOL Yeah I remember Daharder said that. Does he show up here anymore? I know he's very active on Engadget saying the same BS!
I knew all along it was just channel stuffing. I can't stop laughing at them.
MacRulez seems to have taken his place today.
LOL Yeah I remember Daharder said that. Does he show up here anymore? I know he's very active on Engadget saying the same BS!
I knew all along it was just channel stuffing. I can't stop laughing at them.
MacRulez seems to have taken his place today.
What you need to realize...
DaHarder == DaChannel
Typical PC junk-makers. At least I have to give the guy credit to at least have some kind of decency to man-up and tell it like it is.
Just a head's up: The Lee in the story is Samsung's Lee Young-hee?a she.
Where's the "IT guy" here that said they'd sell like hotcakes because they fit in cargo pant pockets and all his buds were panting for them?
Is that a Galaxy Tab in your pants, or are you just happy to see Charlie Sheen's porn star?
My Wife, my dog and I have 3 each...
My Wife, my dog and I have 3 each, and each one has 3 Tabs of their own....
If they forced partners (ie, carriers/retailers) to buy inventory, then there may be some legal improprieties there. But otherwise, a sale is a sale. MS and Samsung don't sell direct to consumers (for the most part). Their customers are their retailers, so yes, a sale is a sale when the inventory is transferred to the carrier or retail partner.
Now, is it misleading? Yes. Of course people want to know the actual units sold to customers, not those sold to retailers. But the retailers aren't required to divulge that info. Notice, when pressed by the analyst Samsung never actually said exactly how many units were "sell-outs" since they don't have to. They know the number, but are under no obligation to share it.
If people aren't actually buying them it means they won't be able to push two more million to the already saturated channels next time. It does matter.