well, i punished myself and went over to TechCrunch to see if they have covered the Galaxy Big Flop story yet today. (their pages run some horrible script that ties up my processor at 50% for over a minute every page load - not Flash). TC of course is Android fanboy territory (except for one token Apple guy, MGS). why even as recently as last thursday they were hyping the 2 million sales story:
but gee, nothing there yet about the Flop Heard Round The World ... except for maybe the sound of the gnashing of teeth. and they are always so up to the minute, so hip!
but i didn't troll. didn't rub it in with a comment there. they need time to lick their wound.
I wonder how many were purchased by our resident troll DaHarder?
A troll isn't someone that you don't agree with, or even someone in an Apple forum that doesn't worship everything Apple. DaHarder doesn't post to intentionally provoke or annoy people. He just loves Android.
Ironically your own post is closer to being defined as trolling.
In any case if you're actually interested (and you're not just being a jackass) why don't you just ask him? You might even want to be his friend?
thanks. it wasn't on the TechCrunch site, and i don't look at the rest of their stable's sites.
funny tho, Coldeway didn't express any of those doubts in his post last week. ah well, what matters is he was THINKING about it - you know. that's how real "web journalists" work. the notion was in his own personal mind "cloud." where his virtually mind reality is as good as if it really happened. or as if he wrote it even.
A troll isn't someone that you don't agree with, or even someone in an Apple forum that doesn't worship everything Apple. DaHarder doesn't post to intentionally provoke or annoy people. He just loves Android.
Ironically your own post is closer to being defined as trolling.
In any case if you're actually interested (and you're not just being a jackass) why don't you just ask him? You might even want to be his friend?
I think the bulk of those who "love android" got there by hating apple. They just finally have a viable antithesis to latch onto
Even at the numbers you suggest in your break-down, this was still a huge gamble Samsung made based on Apple's iPad numbers it seems. They assumed that people were buying the tablet form factor, not the Apple ecosystem. A huge error in judgement that the "sell-out" numbers demonstrated. So yes I think they were trying to coat-tail the iPad mindshare and dumped a lot of devices into their channels thinking the demand would be there. Bearing in mind also that Samsung is a parts supplier to Apple as well.
It was absolutely a huge gamble on Samsung's part. Regardless of their intent (they may well have thought they would ride the iPad's coattails), it looks like they stuffed the channel. Their immediate problem is the hit they will take in the current quarter but it may not be obvious if they report tablets consolidated with phones (mobile devices).
Their bigger problem will be the next time they approach their distribution partner with an "iPad killer".
It's a good thing that Apple is a really good customer.
In my industry we call this 'sell-in' and 'sell-through'. Obviously sell-through is the only value that truly matters. Sell-in is how effective your internal marketing team was at getting Walmart to order your product at retail. I could see how Samsung could make this happen: They are Samsung for one, they are a strong brand with good retail products (TV's). Tablets are hot, as the iPad proved. And Android has a large market penetration. How could the Galaxy Tab fail? Your company should order 500k at least, just to meet the amazing demand. Hell you should get 1mill on shelves and by Christmas at that!
But then reality hits and these poor retailers have been duped. Customers are not buying them, the price point is too high for a compact tablet form factor, and people apparently prefer iPads anyway.
I hate it when companies lie about sell-in numbers. It's done all the time to exaggerate and inflate their value, at least in Samsung's case they had to fess up to shareholders eventually. Very typical and very pathetic.
Do you imagine that such distinctions matter to an AI writer? This is just another Digler hit piece.
It became channel stuffing when they claimed it as "sales" and knew how it would be interpreted. Do you think they internally forecasted production on these sales figures?
A troll isn't someone that you don't agree with, or even someone in an Apple forum that doesn't worship everything Apple. DaHarder doesn't post to intentionally provoke or annoy people. He just loves Android.
Ironically your own post is closer to being defined as trolling.
In any case if you're actually interested (and you're not just being a jackass) why don't you just ask him? You might even want to be his friend?
You ever read the comments at Engadget? DaHarder really gets his nasty on over there, where he has more assholes to back him up in his Apple bashing. He taunts, he belittles, he declares anyone who doesn't share his anti-Apple fanboyism as a troll before they even post. And he absolutely posts to annoy, enrage, bait, and get people mad enough that he can laugh at them. In other words, trolling. He keeps it more in check over here because there's not quite as many insufferable little pricks to cheer him on .
Frankly, his juvenile antics make me wonder about his claim to be an affluent retired person. He posts like a jacked up teenager.
Wow, was this story click bait or what? Look at the numbers compared to surrounding stories. Nothing gets us Apple enthusiasts out of our holes quicker than a good "competition falls flat on it's face" story. Life is good. Now if only Netgear's Lo would slip on a banana peel on camera.
Wow, was this story click bait or what? Look at the numbers compared to surrounding stories. Nothing gets us Apple enthusiasts out of our holes quicker than a good "competition falls flat on it's face" story. Life is good. Now if only Netgear's Lo would slip on a banana peel on camera.
Maybe we can arrange to have Lo and Adobe's Narayen collide and explode in a huge fireball. Because that would be awesome.
A troll isn't someone that you don't agree with, or even someone in an Apple forum that doesn't worship everything Apple. DaHarder doesn't post to intentionally provoke or annoy people. He just loves Android.
He's certainly annoying.. with his unobjectiveness. (yes, I know most here are also unobjective but at least they are so on a appropriate site)
Good thing he's eating his crow now.
On topic, I think no one who tried the Tab will be surprised to hear the news. Contrary to everyone, I saw a few Tabs in the wild here in Thailand and I felt sorry for the owners. I'm not sure they bought it because they love Android or because the carriers heavily promoted it, or because there's no iPad on sale at the time but they certainly are ****.
The thing is though that tablets aren't hot. The iPad is hot. People, myself included thought it would be mild. Maybe a new hobby for apple. But it turned out way more useful than people expected.
The iPad doesn't sell because people are buying tablets. Tablets are selling because of the iPad.
Typical PC junk-makers. At least I have to give the guy credit to at least have some kind of decency to man-up and tell it like it is.
Yes, this certainly puts and end to the speculations that this was the case. BUT what about MS? I think they are just as full of it as Samsung with the WP7 release. I havent seen an actual phone on anybody (anybody actually using it???). Mark my words those MS wp7 phones are just on the shelves mostly...
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What specifically about the screens was pathetic? They seemed like pretty decent screens, so I'd like more information on why you didn't like them.
I should have said pathetically small.
I can spin that - it was 33 m android vs 33 m iOs ( of which 16M were phones)
Also - supply constraints. Still worrying, though.
Or count all those who wish they had one.
well, i punished myself and went over to TechCrunch to see if they have covered the Galaxy Big Flop story yet today. (their pages run some horrible script that ties up my processor at 50% for over a minute every page load - not Flash). TC of course is Android fanboy territory (except for one token Apple guy, MGS). why even as recently as last thursday they were hyping the 2 million sales story:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/01/27...y-tabs-served/
but gee, nothing there yet about the Flop Heard Round The World ... except for maybe the sound of the gnashing of teeth. and they are always so up to the minute, so hip!
but i didn't troll. didn't rub it in with a comment there. they need time to lick their wound.
It was posted earlier today: http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/01/31...e-quite-small/
I wonder how many were purchased by our resident troll DaHarder?
A troll isn't someone that you don't agree with, or even someone in an Apple forum that doesn't worship everything Apple. DaHarder doesn't post to intentionally provoke or annoy people. He just loves Android.
Ironically your own post is closer to being defined as trolling.
In any case if you're actually interested (and you're not just being a jackass) why don't you just ask him? You might even want to be his friend?
Where's the "IT guy" here that said they'd sell like hotcakes because they fit in cargo pant pockets and all his buds were panting for them?
People still wear cargo pants?
Is that a Galaxy Tab in your pants, or are you just happy to see Charlie Sheen's porn star?
Haa.
7 inches is enough for some people I suppose.
It was posted earlier today: http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/01/31...e-quite-small/
thanks. it wasn't on the TechCrunch site, and i don't look at the rest of their stable's sites.
funny tho, Coldeway didn't express any of those doubts in his post last week. ah well, what matters is he was THINKING about it - you know. that's how real "web journalists" work. the notion was in his own personal mind "cloud." where his virtually mind reality is as good as if it really happened. or as if he wrote it even.
A troll isn't someone that you don't agree with, or even someone in an Apple forum that doesn't worship everything Apple. DaHarder doesn't post to intentionally provoke or annoy people. He just loves Android.
Ironically your own post is closer to being defined as trolling.
In any case if you're actually interested (and you're not just being a jackass) why don't you just ask him? You might even want to be his friend?
I think the bulk of those who "love android" got there by hating apple. They just finally have a viable antithesis to latch onto
Myself and few others (maybe you included) were calling bs on Samsung's GT sales figures back on November 22.
So... yes... vindication feels good.
(I noticed this and posted about this only starting a couple of months ago).
Even at the numbers you suggest in your break-down, this was still a huge gamble Samsung made based on Apple's iPad numbers it seems. They assumed that people were buying the tablet form factor, not the Apple ecosystem. A huge error in judgement that the "sell-out" numbers demonstrated. So yes I think they were trying to coat-tail the iPad mindshare and dumped a lot of devices into their channels thinking the demand would be there. Bearing in mind also that Samsung is a parts supplier to Apple as well.
It was absolutely a huge gamble on Samsung's part. Regardless of their intent (they may well have thought they would ride the iPad's coattails), it looks like they stuffed the channel. Their immediate problem is the hit they will take in the current quarter but it may not be obvious if they report tablets consolidated with phones (mobile devices).
Their bigger problem will be the next time they approach their distribution partner with an "iPad killer".
It's a good thing that Apple is a really good customer.
But then reality hits and these poor retailers have been duped. Customers are not buying them, the price point is too high for a compact tablet form factor, and people apparently prefer iPads anyway.
I hate it when companies lie about sell-in numbers. It's done all the time to exaggerate and inflate their value, at least in Samsung's case they had to fess up to shareholders eventually. Very typical and very pathetic.
What you need to realize...
DaHarder == DaChannel
DaHarder DaCome, DaHarder DaFall.
Do you imagine that such distinctions matter to an AI writer? This is just another Digler hit piece.
It became channel stuffing when they claimed it as "sales" and knew how it would be interpreted. Do you think they internally forecasted production on these sales figures?
A troll isn't someone that you don't agree with, or even someone in an Apple forum that doesn't worship everything Apple. DaHarder doesn't post to intentionally provoke or annoy people. He just loves Android.
Ironically your own post is closer to being defined as trolling.
In any case if you're actually interested (and you're not just being a jackass) why don't you just ask him? You might even want to be his friend?
You ever read the comments at Engadget? DaHarder really gets his nasty on over there, where he has more assholes to back him up in his Apple bashing. He taunts, he belittles, he declares anyone who doesn't share his anti-Apple fanboyism as a troll before they even post. And he absolutely posts to annoy, enrage, bait, and get people mad enough that he can laugh at them. In other words, trolling. He keeps it more in check over here because there's not quite as many insufferable little pricks to cheer him on
Frankly, his juvenile antics make me wonder about his claim to be an affluent retired person. He posts like a jacked up teenager.
Wow, was this story click bait or what? Look at the numbers compared to surrounding stories. Nothing gets us Apple enthusiasts out of our holes quicker than a good "competition falls flat on it's face" story. Life is good. Now if only Netgear's Lo would slip on a banana peel on camera.
Maybe we can arrange to have Lo and Adobe's Narayen collide and explode in a huge fireball. Because that would be awesome.
A troll isn't someone that you don't agree with, or even someone in an Apple forum that doesn't worship everything Apple. DaHarder doesn't post to intentionally provoke or annoy people. He just loves Android.
He's certainly annoying.. with his unobjectiveness. (yes, I know most here are also unobjective but at least they are so on a appropriate site)
Good thing he's eating his crow now.
On topic, I think no one who tried the Tab will be surprised to hear the news. Contrary to everyone, I saw a few Tabs in the wild here in Thailand and I felt sorry for the owners. I'm not sure they bought it because they love Android or because the carriers heavily promoted it, or because there's no iPad on sale at the time but they certainly are ****.
Tablets are hot, as the iPad proved.
The thing is though that tablets aren't hot. The iPad is hot. People, myself included thought it would be mild. Maybe a new hobby for apple. But it turned out way more useful than people expected.
The iPad doesn't sell because people are buying tablets. Tablets are selling because of the iPad.
Maybe we can arrange to have Lo and Adobe's Narayen collide and explode in a huge fireball. Because that would be awesome.
Don't forget to include Ballmer.
That would make it a sweaty fireball.
Typical PC junk-makers. At least I have to give the guy credit to at least have some kind of decency to man-up and tell it like it is.
Yes, this certainly puts and end to the speculations that this was the case. BUT what about MS? I think they are just as full of it as Samsung with the WP7 release. I havent seen an actual phone on anybody (anybody actually using it???). Mark my words those MS wp7 phones are just on the shelves mostly...