- Mission Control doesn't look that great with the little windows and big one at the bottom. The current Exposé is much better IMO.
There's only one large window because only one window is open. If you have multiple apps open, they'll show up spread out like they do now in Expose. The top "squares" aren't apps, they're Spaces (a full screen app and dashboard are also considered their own Space)
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Originally Posted by Marvin
With more gestures, I hope they stick the trackpad onto the keyboards in future though as long as they keep the numpad.
Could someone explain why I can't see the videos, please. I am using Firefox 3.6 on my Mac with Snow Leopard. Interestingly, I can see the videos in Safari. Do I need a plug-in or something? All I get is a grey box with an 'X' in the middle.
Firefox doesn't support HTML5 video using H.264. So scrape up some money and buy a real browser and leave free software to people who just play Tux Racer.
an't think of right now, before adding a useless full-screen iCal, or a redundant Launchpad.
I work in the IT field at a big university. I help these people every day, and I know exactly how they use computers. I also know that very few people are willing to try to figure out how to do anything by themselves, and I never said anything to the contrary. People should learn how to use their computers though.
NO they shouldn't !
Computers are TOOLS ! Tools have to be EASIER and more EFFICIENT ! _I_ WORK in IT field : I'm a LINUX sysadmin and I help people everyday TOO.
and I say : computer were invented to solve problems, not add bazillion of esoteric technicals weird stuff to people life !
I'm very angry, because you sir don't care about people.
Apple add many exciting features to Lion , some are for power users, some to help accessibility and a LOT, yes, to improve the ease of use of the computer.
it's GOOD. even for you. You will love to have a better and simpler computer to do MORE interesting works.
when you will not worry to save your many versions of documents, when you will not worry to order and find your documents and when the os will help you to organize your workflow, you will have MORE time to do real interesting things : creation, entertainment, works, reading and learning on the net and more.
Every advance in computing is for the goal to make disappear the machine.
Yes it's true : more and more these computers are sophisticated, more and more we try to make them "invisible".
it's good. it's the good thing.
-
be assured the Terminal, keyboard shortcuts and unix are all here in Os X Lion, with vengeance. (new keyboards shortcuts, new full screen terminal, and so on )
I actually haven't heard of anyone talk about Lion's NDA - I don't think it exists.
Yes, lion is under NDA until it ships. But these things don't stop sites like appleinsider spreading content from lion all over the site. Maybe it's time appleinsider went the way of thinksecret?
Whisking between full screen apps is awesome, reminds me of the Amiga in the 80s where each app had it's own screen. However the current Dashboard where it zooms in from behind you and overlays the desktop is very intuitive, and a logical model for widgets, and they should keep it I think.
Having the Dock *and* Launchpad is kind of confusing, they should either bite the bullet and dump the Dock or else make Launchpad somehow connected to/integrated with the Dock, just so there's not two separate things to do the one task.
Why are so many people saying "I have to admit... this looks pretty good, etc". Like you finally concede that Apple maybe, might possibly, if not by a total lucky fluke, come up with some decent software.
Yeah, liked who ever would have thunk it?
Apple come up with a decent new OS? Ha! not bloody well likely!!
Either you're breaking one yourself or assisting someone else break one.
I highly doubt that Apple put an NDA on the preview every developer can download. If they were that worried, they wouldn't have don the release.
Plus some of this info is from Apple's own public comments
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Originally Posted by JakeTheRock
My apologies. Will not happen again. Though, for what it's worth, "f***" (which i see enough people here using) is no less offensive than actually spelling the word out.
it is also no less needed. You claim to work tech at a university. Which implies you are smart enough to make your point without resorting to the use of vulgar language.
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Originally Posted by iPedro
Yet, there's a reason why you're not still using System 7...
Yeah. They don't make it and it likely wouldn't work with current hardware.
I'll add another concern to the whole 'this better be optional' - accessibility. I worry that these things could be, at least for a time, less accessible than the current system.
Computers are tools ! Tools have to be easier and more efficient ! _i_ work in it field : I'm a linux sysadmin and i help people everyday too.
And i say : Computer were invented to solve problems, not add bazillion of esoteric technicals weird stuff to people life !
I'm very angry, because you sir don't care about people.
Apple add many exciting features to lion , some are for power users, some to help accessibility and a lot, yes, to improve the ease of use of the computer.
It's good. Even for you. You will love to have a better and simpler computer to do more interesting works.
When you will not worry to save your many versions of documents, when you will not worry to order and find your documents and when the os will help you to organize your workflow, you will have more time to do real interesting things : Creation, entertainment, works, reading and learning on the net and more.
Every advance in computing is for the goal to make disappear the machine.
Yes it's true : More and more these computers are sophisticated, more and more we try to make them "invisible".
It's good. It's the good thing.
-
be assured the terminal, keyboard shortcuts and unix are all here in os x lion, with vengeance. (new keyboards shortcuts, new full screen terminal, and so on )
Am I the only one who thinks that dumbing down a system for people who don't want to learn how to use their computer is bad?
Yes, you're the only one. It's not dumbing down, it's simplifying things (gestures require one hand, keystrokes can require two). And if you use both a computer and a handheld device like the iPad, it adds a common experience.
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Originally Posted by JakeTheRock
And finally, fuck gestures. Keyboard shortcuts are faster and easier, and require less movement.
So don't use gestures (and thanks for the profanity, it really helps).
When using Spaces, I would still like the ability to set different background pictures for each Space.
And I actually liked the Dashboard over the dimmed desktop. Made it easier to use certain widgets like Calculator or Movies for example, based on the information currently displayed in a web page.
There's only one large window because only one window is open. If you have multiple apps open, they'll show up spread out like they do now in Expose. The top "squares" aren't apps, they're Spaces (a full screen app and dashboard are also considered their own Space)
Ah, I think I remember that from a previous demo. Yeah, that should be fine.
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Originally Posted by iPedro
Perhaps you've missed this
The Magic Pad is expensive though and not bundled with the computers for free. If it would make it affordable, I think they should make a new keyboard/trackpad hybrid like this:
Keys can be shrunk to make typing distance the same. I'd like a wired version of this type of design. I don't like running out of battery power for something that never moves anywhere.
With it wired and merged with the keyboard, I'd expect the price to be far more reasonable.
The Magic Pad is expensive though and not bundled with the computers for free/
It is expensive, but it?s the same pretty price as the Magic Mouse they ship with the iMac (when purchased separately). At one point they sold the USB keyboard and mouse with the BT versions seperately but later make them standard issue.
With the number of users accustomed to trackpads these days from the exceedingly high number of notebook users (at least in areas where Apple plays) I think it?s likely will update their iMac line to include the Magic Trackpad over the Magic Mouse, especially if future software makes their systems more usable for it.
I also think it?s also possible they will offer a one or the other option for the same price, like they do with the English/Spanish keyboards.
Ok, some of these remarks has made me decide to come out of hibernation to spill my opinion into the digital land.
First for those that believe that this is dumbing the OS down and that is bad here is my reply and opinion. I have been with my wife for going on thirteen years now and since I meet her she has never been on a PC very much. The entire reason was that they are, by design, overly complicated. And then the issue with learning your OS, she has a full time job and we have kids, please tell me where that leaves the hours needed to learn the ins and outs of the OS she may use. So pretty much over the course of the next ten years I can count the number of times per month she sat behind our PC on one hand. That was until she decided she wanted an iPhone. To her the iPhone is what PC's should have been. It would take a large man with a large stick to get her iPhone away from her. She is on Facebook, she manages the bank account and about a hundred other things that she should have been able to easily do from out PC. So in that time I got feed up with MS and dumped everyone of their products and went Apple. Unfortunately she still wont sit behind the second brand new iMac I just bought her because even OSX is still too much for her to waste time to learn. If I could get the iOS on my iMac I would do it in a heart beat and then my lovely wife would not be going blind trying to stare at her iPhone screen for hours at a time. There are many stories that I have read where people in their eighties can operate a device, namely the iPad, which such ease and it reconnects them with the world through the digital window in their hands. I don't see my eighty year old grandmother learning the ins and outs of any current desktop OS. But have seen her with my iPad and she loves it. turn it on and select which app does what you want. Within that app are its files, no searching finder for what folder in the millions that you have stuffed that year old report that your boss now wants.
Now my second rant. Most IT people (not all) would love it if the OS's they manage were as complicated as they could possibly be. The reason...JOB SECURITY! My other opinion of most of these guys is that they are egg heads that cant see that their job requires them to know the ins and outs of the OS. This takes years to learn and once they are finished for some reason a very tiny switch in their brains trip and makes them think that all people are stupid if they cant reconfigure their network settings to access a VPN. They huff and puff and have to shut down World of Warcraft ( not a dig I am a fan too of RPG games) and DO THEIR JOBS!!! Well how would you feel if you went to the doctor and he complained that you were wasting his time because you couldn't do a heart bypass on your own? Think about it IT guys! iOS wont put you out of a job, instead it will give you the time to make your WoW character into a level 99 Grand mage...wouldn't that be cool...and get paid for it!
iOS is the future of computing for the average person that works 40 plus hours a week and are not in the tech industry, nor have the time to sacrifice learning ins and outs of their OS. I myself love my iPad and other iOS devices and am in the tech industry. They don't threaten me with their simplicity instead even I, one that loves to gaze at the underpinnings of an OS, am relieved that they allow me to do my job faster because of simplicity. I also welcome this to my desktop/laptop as long as I have control over what I do and don't want to use of that OS type. But for the rest of the world it will be revolutionary and connect even more people to knowledge, friends and family. The day when every person can use the computer is almost here. Now we will just have to wait and see how close Lion brings us to that point.
.................................................. .................................................. ...............///END OF RANT///.................................................. .................................................. .....................................
New in Lion, when a selection of files is dragged to the source sidebar, or to the desktop, or to another window, the selection is represented as a collection, badged with a count of the items in the selection, and with a display that transforms to reflect the view settings it is dragged over.
In addition, I discovered earlier today that once you select a group of items and then right-click and hold, you'll get (among other contextual actions) a choice at the top to "Group as a Folder," which when selected, will create a new folder and toss the selected items into it, with pretty snazzy animation graphics as well. This option is worth it's weight in, uh, well, anyway, it's pretty valuable in my eyes.
One thing that I miss in the new Spotlight is the ability to hover over an item in the list and see its Finder location, though cmd-clicking will open the enclosing folder still.
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- Mission Control doesn't look that great with the little windows and big one at the bottom. The current Exposé is much better IMO.
There's only one large window because only one window is open. If you have multiple apps open, they'll show up spread out like they do now in Expose. The top "squares" aren't apps, they're Spaces (a full screen app and dashboard are also considered their own Space)
With more gestures, I hope they stick the trackpad onto the keyboards in future though as long as they keep the numpad.
Perhaps you've missed this:
Could someone explain why I can't see the videos, please. I am using Firefox 3.6 on my Mac with Snow Leopard. Interestingly, I can see the videos in Safari. Do I need a plug-in or something? All I get is a grey box with an 'X' in the middle.
Firefox doesn't support HTML5 video using H.264. So scrape up some money and buy a real browser and leave free software to people who just play Tux Racer.
an't think of right now, before adding a useless full-screen iCal, or a redundant Launchpad.
I work in the IT field at a big university. I help these people every day, and I know exactly how they use computers. I also know that very few people are willing to try to figure out how to do anything by themselves, and I never said anything to the contrary. People should learn how to use their computers though.
NO they shouldn't !
Computers are TOOLS ! Tools have to be EASIER and more EFFICIENT ! _I_ WORK in IT field : I'm a LINUX sysadmin and I help people everyday TOO.
and I say : computer were invented to solve problems, not add bazillion of esoteric technicals weird stuff to people life !
I'm very angry, because you sir don't care about people.
Apple add many exciting features to Lion , some are for power users, some to help accessibility and a LOT, yes, to improve the ease of use of the computer.
it's GOOD. even for you. You will love to have a better and simpler computer to do MORE interesting works.
when you will not worry to save your many versions of documents, when you will not worry to order and find your documents and when the os will help you to organize your workflow, you will have MORE time to do real interesting things : creation, entertainment, works, reading and learning on the net and more.
Every advance in computing is for the goal to make disappear the machine.
Yes it's true : more and more these computers are sophisticated, more and more we try to make them "invisible".
it's good. it's the good thing.
-
be assured the Terminal, keyboard shortcuts and unix are all here in Os X Lion, with vengeance. (new keyboards shortcuts, new full screen terminal, and so on )
I actually haven't heard of anyone talk about Lion's NDA - I don't think it exists.
Yes, lion is under NDA until it ships. But these things don't stop sites like appleinsider spreading content from lion all over the site. Maybe it's time appleinsider went the way of thinksecret?
Worrying.
Using Opera, perhaps?
Having the Dock *and* Launchpad is kind of confusing, they should either bite the bullet and dump the Dock or else make Launchpad somehow connected to/integrated with the Dock, just so there's not two separate things to do the one task.
Yeah, liked who ever would have thunk it?
Apple come up with a decent new OS? Ha! not bloody well likely!!
Out of interest ? have you guys heard of NDAs?
Either you're breaking one yourself or assisting someone else break one.
I highly doubt that Apple put an NDA on the preview every developer can download. If they were that worried, they wouldn't have don the release.
Plus some of this info is from Apple's own public comments
My apologies. Will not happen again. Though, for what it's worth, "f***" (which i see enough people here using) is no less offensive than actually spelling the word out.
it is also no less needed. You claim to work tech at a university. Which implies you are smart enough to make your point without resorting to the use of vulgar language.
Yet, there's a reason why you're not still using System 7...
Yeah. They don't make it and it likely wouldn't work with current hardware.
I'll add another concern to the whole 'this better be optional' - accessibility. I worry that these things could be, at least for a time, less accessible than the current system.
no they shouldn't !
Computers are tools ! Tools have to be easier and more efficient ! _i_ work in it field : I'm a linux sysadmin and i help people everyday too.
And i say : Computer were invented to solve problems, not add bazillion of esoteric technicals weird stuff to people life !
I'm very angry, because you sir don't care about people.
Apple add many exciting features to lion , some are for power users, some to help accessibility and a lot, yes, to improve the ease of use of the computer.
It's good. Even for you. You will love to have a better and simpler computer to do more interesting works.
When you will not worry to save your many versions of documents, when you will not worry to order and find your documents and when the os will help you to organize your workflow, you will have more time to do real interesting things : Creation, entertainment, works, reading and learning on the net and more.
Every advance in computing is for the goal to make disappear the machine.
Yes it's true : More and more these computers are sophisticated, more and more we try to make them "invisible".
It's good. It's the good thing.
-
be assured the terminal, keyboard shortcuts and unix are all here in os x lion, with vengeance. (new keyboards shortcuts, new full screen terminal, and so on )
amen.
Worrying.
So did I.
Am I the only one who thinks that dumbing down a system for people who don't want to learn how to use their computer is bad?
Yes, you're the only one. It's not dumbing down, it's simplifying things (gestures require one hand, keystrokes can require two). And if you use both a computer and a handheld device like the iPad, it adds a common experience.
And finally, fuck gestures. Keyboard shortcuts are faster and easier, and require less movement.
So don't use gestures (and thanks for the profanity, it really helps).
Maybe I missed something, but the title implies there was new features to the Dock, but nothing is said about it.
It's not just you, no new dock, the tile really should be changed.
And I actually liked the Dashboard over the dimmed desktop. Made it easier to use certain widgets like Calculator or Movies for example, based on the information currently displayed in a web page.
There's only one large window because only one window is open. If you have multiple apps open, they'll show up spread out like they do now in Expose. The top "squares" aren't apps, they're Spaces (a full screen app and dashboard are also considered their own Space)
Ah, I think I remember that from a previous demo. Yeah, that should be fine.
Perhaps you've missed this
The Magic Pad is expensive though and not bundled with the computers for free. If it would make it affordable, I think they should make a new keyboard/trackpad hybrid like this:
Size comparisons are in the thread:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=113726
Keys can be shrunk to make typing distance the same. I'd like a wired version of this type of design. I don't like running out of battery power for something that never moves anywhere.
With it wired and merged with the keyboard, I'd expect the price to be far more reasonable.
The Magic Pad is expensive though and not bundled with the computers for free/
It is expensive, but it?s the same pretty price as the Magic Mouse they ship with the iMac (when purchased separately). At one point they sold the USB keyboard and mouse with the BT versions seperately but later make them standard issue.
With the number of users accustomed to trackpads these days from the exceedingly high number of notebook users (at least in areas where Apple plays) I think it?s likely will update their iMac line to include the Magic Trackpad over the Magic Mouse, especially if future software makes their systems more usable for it.
I also think it?s also possible they will offer a one or the other option for the same price, like they do with the English/Spanish keyboards.
Using Opera, perhaps?
First for those that believe that this is dumbing the OS down and that is bad here is my reply and opinion. I have been with my wife for going on thirteen years now and since I meet her she has never been on a PC very much. The entire reason was that they are, by design, overly complicated. And then the issue with learning your OS, she has a full time job and we have kids, please tell me where that leaves the hours needed to learn the ins and outs of the OS she may use. So pretty much over the course of the next ten years I can count the number of times per month she sat behind our PC on one hand. That was until she decided she wanted an iPhone. To her the iPhone is what PC's should have been. It would take a large man with a large stick to get her iPhone away from her. She is on Facebook, she manages the bank account and about a hundred other things that she should have been able to easily do from out PC. So in that time I got feed up with MS and dumped everyone of their products and went Apple. Unfortunately she still wont sit behind the second brand new iMac I just bought her because even OSX is still too much for her to waste time to learn. If I could get the iOS on my iMac I would do it in a heart beat and then my lovely wife would not be going blind trying to stare at her iPhone screen for hours at a time. There are many stories that I have read where people in their eighties can operate a device, namely the iPad, which such ease and it reconnects them with the world through the digital window in their hands. I don't see my eighty year old grandmother learning the ins and outs of any current desktop OS. But have seen her with my iPad and she loves it. turn it on and select which app does what you want. Within that app are its files, no searching finder for what folder in the millions that you have stuffed that year old report that your boss now wants.
Now my second rant. Most IT people (not all) would love it if the OS's they manage were as complicated as they could possibly be. The reason...JOB SECURITY! My other opinion of most of these guys is that they are egg heads that cant see that their job requires them to know the ins and outs of the OS. This takes years to learn and once they are finished for some reason a very tiny switch in their brains trip and makes them think that all people are stupid if they cant reconfigure their network settings to access a VPN. They huff and puff and have to shut down World of Warcraft ( not a dig I am a fan too of RPG games) and DO THEIR JOBS!!! Well how would you feel if you went to the doctor and he complained that you were wasting his time because you couldn't do a heart bypass on your own? Think about it IT guys! iOS wont put you out of a job, instead it will give you the time to make your WoW character into a level 99 Grand mage...wouldn't that be cool...and get paid for it!
iOS is the future of computing for the average person that works 40 plus hours a week and are not in the tech industry, nor have the time to sacrifice learning ins and outs of their OS. I myself love my iPad and other iOS devices and am in the tech industry. They don't threaten me with their simplicity instead even I, one that loves to gaze at the underpinnings of an OS, am relieved that they allow me to do my job faster because of simplicity. I also welcome this to my desktop/laptop as long as I have control over what I do and don't want to use of that OS type. But for the rest of the world it will be revolutionary and connect even more people to knowledge, friends and family. The day when every person can use the computer is almost here. Now we will just have to wait and see how close Lion brings us to that point.
.................................................. .................................................. ...............///END OF RANT///.................................................. .................................................. .....................................
New in Lion, when a selection of files is dragged to the source sidebar, or to the desktop, or to another window, the selection is represented as a collection, badged with a count of the items in the selection, and with a display that transforms to reflect the view settings it is dragged over.
In addition, I discovered earlier today that once you select a group of items and then right-click and hold, you'll get (among other contextual actions) a choice at the top to "Group as a Folder," which when selected, will create a new folder and toss the selected items into it, with pretty snazzy animation graphics as well. This option is worth it's weight in, uh, well, anyway, it's pretty valuable in my eyes.