Andy Lark, Dell's global head of marketing, told Lisa Banks of CIO Australia on Tuesday that Apple's iPad will eventually succumb to Dell's Android- and Windows-based tablets because of pressure from an open enterprise market.
Lark congratulated Apple for igniting the tablet opportunity with the iPad, while predicting that the device will ultimately fall to more "open" competitors. ?I couldn?t be happier that Apple has created a market and built up enthusiasm but longer term, open, capable and affordable will win, not closed, high price and proprietary,? Lark said.
Steve Jobs must have got a good laugh out of that lot. How can Dell possibly compete against the iPad if they don't understand what the iPad actually is, or isn't. And it simply doesn't matter if the iPad is 'closed' or 'proprietary' as long as it uses established standards to communicate with other devices. And who cares about 'closed/proprietary' anyway - certainly not the people who are buying the iPad. Those are technical issues that are only of interest to bit-fiddlers and other 'anal retentives'. Even developers couldn't care less because Apple gives them excellent tools to develop and distribute their apps.
Honestly how stupendously clueless can you be?!?!?!
Seriously lets just look at this statement "According to Lark, the high cost of additional accessories for the iPad makes the tablet inaccessible. ?An iPad with a keyboard, a mouse and a case [means] you?ll be at $1500 or $1600; that?s double of what you?re paying," he said. "That?s not feasible.?"
#1) The whole POINT of an iPad is that it DOESN'T NEED a keyboard and mouse... otherwise it'd just be another netbook and Apple's complete evisceration of the netbook market with the iPad proves consumers don't care for them.
#2) iPad doesn't even have official native mouse support jackass
#3) Most important of all... WTF? The most expensive iPad model is $830. WTF keyboard, mouse and case would cost between $670 and $770??!?! What is it made of gold?? Wouldn't that defeat the portability purpose???
#4) 15 M iPad 1s to date and supposedly now 3 M iPad 2s in 3 weeks with lines still out the door. Bottomline Andy, the people completely disagree with you and Dell on every level.
thoughts of apple competitors at the urinal : HP and Dell pissing away
this was for internal use,
please developers don't abandon us
pleas MS more money for your junk OS but you'll pay me like Nokia right?
please lets not have a brain drain and our talent leave us
please keep us in mind when you talk of apple,
please connect HP and Dell to apple so when people google apple news we get mentioned
please don't let those patents be enforced, but we have MS OS as back up...oops
please hope that there is enough room for a 2nd and 3rd place hope we aren't 5th
please hope when we merge with some company we aren't canned
please don't realize how much sh*&^t we are really in
I'm buffing up my resume so when its time for me to jump i can go to a company with a brighter future...we are really toast, please don't recongnize it yet
please stock holders don't replace us
when can i start selling my stock
Now that's what i mean by "open", open thoughts of Dell and HP
I wonder when I hear interviews such as Andy Lark's, why the interviewer doesn't question or challenge such obvious holes in his claims. When he brought up the higher price of the iPad, why wasn't he reminded that the iPad is the LOWEST priced of ANY tablet on the market? Also, why was there no inquiry as to where he acquired the prices that brought the iPad and accessories to a total of $1500.00 to $1600.00? And finally, the question that just begged to be asked....why do you need a mouse for a tablet computer?
But I guess Dell has succeeded on one front. They have us talking about them again, albeit not in the way their marketing department would prefer.
"Apple is great if you’ve got a lot of money and live on an island. It’s not so great if you have to exist in a diverse, open, connected enterprise; simple things become quite complex,” Lark added.
I guess the 30 million plus people that have bought iPads are under the impression they live on an island.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
According to Lark, the high cost of additional accessories for the iPad makes the tablet inaccessible. “An iPad with a keyboard, a mouse and a case [means] you’ll be at $1500 or $1600; that’s double of what you’re paying," he said. "That’s not feasible.”
I guess I got a really good deal then. Or maybe he means it will cost that much when they buy 2 iPads, as many people do.
Has long has they try to run windows on tablets, talk about physical keyboard and mouse, they will continue to crash and burn. They just don’t get it; if you need all those things buy a laptop, not a tablet.
Dell has something with “open OS” and lower price, but the problem is nobody can compete with the ipad on price so far. HP may have something too because Apple is the worst possible bully when it comes to his suppliers or content providers, it’s a dictator and doesn’t negotiate at all. Since Apple has a collection of users with $$, dev and content providers still want to be there, but if Android become mainstream, lots of content providers will happily jump ship. We will see what happens in june with hulu, Kindle, Netflix, Zinio, mags, and other content resellers when they pull out there app from iOS if Apple enforce the 30% rule on them. This is going to hurt and spread really bad press to Apple…
Content providers should meet and make a planned move to all pull out of itunes at the same time. I think its the only to make Apple bend
The biggest threat to Apple will never be its hardware, but its way to handle the software side.
He?s absolutely right. Look at closed game platforms from Nintento, Sony and Microsoft. Nobody wants ?em! People want the ?open? buzzword, and all the limitations it brings. They don?t want simplicity or reliability or choice of apps.
Nailed it!
Personally from what I'm seeing on the Android platform (and the number of friends I have complaining about various little bugs that are driving them nuts for close to a year now) I have little reason to believe the Android tablets will ever be 'better' than what Apple is offering.
These are CEOs. Management. They may be clueless but they are no different from most other management types. They are bean counters. They talk to other bean counters. They know quality only available to the super-rich: yachts, Lamborghinis, exclusive restaurants, mansions. For the most part, they have no knowledge of, and care less about the products they sell to their ultimate customers. Their customers are those in their supply chain, the volume purchasers, and distributors.
Their problem now is some of their CEO counterparts buy Apple products. iPhones, iPads are status symbols, higher priced but enough affordable to normal customers, and also appeal to CEOs and management, and in the iPad case, more affordable than competing products.
Now Dell, HP, Microsoft, Nokia have a problem. On principle, the CEOs and management of this companies will not use Apple products (see Bill Gates admission that he and his family are not allowed to use Apple products), so they really don't know what a quality product looks and feels like.
And they only know their company's products as abstractions, if at all, because quality does not play in a financial statement, which as bean counters, is their only source of information about their companies.
This just in:*Andy Lark, head of global marketing, announces he is leaving Dell for a career in standup comedy. *"I seem to have a real talent for making people laugh" said Lark.
I went to bed late last night, so I woke up this morning still feeling sleepy. I rolled over and reached groggily for my iPad 2. Fired up NewsRack, just to see what the latest rumor was about WWDC and the timing of the release or announcement of iPhone 5. Out of curiosity I decided to check out what Dell and HP had to say about Apple.
Now I'm wide awake. The combination of incredibly inane comments, wishful thinking, and utter frustration expressed by the Dell and HP guys and the amusing comments by posters here made me burst out laughing. The mouse comment alone jolted me into alertness. Who needs coffee?
Um, the iPod was never something adopted by the enterprise market, which is what Dell is trying to get into. Consumer wise, you are correct.
I get that, the but reasons he gives for the imminent failure of the iPad are that it's "closed, high price and proprietary" - just like the iPod. High price will definitely turn off consumers and enterprise customers alike, but that part of the statement is patently false with regards to the iPad and no one cares about the other two alleged qualities except for tech heads and bloggers.
There are two things that usually win the day in the tech world: 1) flooding the market before anyone else gets there and becoming so ubiquitous that consumers are 'stuck' in your ecosystem, even if your product is not the best out there, e.g. Microsoft Windows or 2) creating the best end user experience e.g. iPod, iPad, Wii. Not only is the iPad absolutely wiping the floor with the "competition", it also unanimously delivers the best user experience.
Consumers, enterprise: they don't give a flying about "open" vs. "closed" - if those terms even accurate in this case - they want a product that increases their enjoyment/satisfaction/productivity etc. And so far, Apple delivers that at a price that the competition can not yet match, let alone beat to the extent that folks will begin to accept an inferior, fragmented experience.
Dell should just close up shop and give the money back to the investors.
Better yet, follow the money...
Where is Michael Dell placing his strategic bets? If Dell's PC business is so great, why are all of Dell's strategic acquisitions outside of the PC space? Why are these acquisitions always in high-margin businesses (EqualLogic)? Why is Michael Dell trying to use these acquisitions to reinvent the way Dell operates internally?
Give Michael Dell and the Dell board credit for figuring out their mainline PC business is a low-margin business. Its too bad the rank-and-file in Austin haven't figured this out.
He?s absolutely right. Look at closed game platforms from Nintento, Sony and Microsoft. Nobody wants ?em! People want the ?open? buzzword, and all the limitations it brings. They don?t want simplicity or reliability or choice of apps.
And of course Bluetooth keyboards magically cost less if you can prove you own a Honeycomb tablet. Now, iPad mice, on the other hand... those are without price!
I'd say about 99% of the people who have asked me about buying an iPhone or an iPad wouldn't know what "open" was - much less ask about it.
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Andy Lark, Dell's global head of marketing, told Lisa Banks of CIO Australia on Tuesday that Apple's iPad will eventually succumb to Dell's Android- and Windows-based tablets because of pressure from an open enterprise market.
Lark congratulated Apple for igniting the tablet opportunity with the iPad, while predicting that the device will ultimately fall to more "open" competitors. ?I couldn?t be happier that Apple has created a market and built up enthusiasm but longer term, open, capable and affordable will win, not closed, high price and proprietary,? Lark said.
Steve Jobs must have got a good laugh out of that lot. How can Dell possibly compete against the iPad if they don't understand what the iPad actually is, or isn't. And it simply doesn't matter if the iPad is 'closed' or 'proprietary' as long as it uses established standards to communicate with other devices. And who cares about 'closed/proprietary' anyway - certainly not the people who are buying the iPad. Those are technical issues that are only of interest to bit-fiddlers and other 'anal retentives'. Even developers couldn't care less because Apple gives them excellent tools to develop and distribute their apps.
Unless Three Other Words: FIRE ANDY LARK
Honestly how stupendously clueless can you be?!?!?!
Seriously lets just look at this statement "According to Lark, the high cost of additional accessories for the iPad makes the tablet inaccessible. ?An iPad with a keyboard, a mouse and a case [means] you?ll be at $1500 or $1600; that?s double of what you?re paying," he said. "That?s not feasible.?"
#1) The whole POINT of an iPad is that it DOESN'T NEED a keyboard and mouse... otherwise it'd just be another netbook and Apple's complete evisceration of the netbook market with the iPad proves consumers don't care for them.
#2) iPad doesn't even have official native mouse support jackass
#3) Most important of all... WTF? The most expensive iPad model is $830. WTF keyboard, mouse and case would cost between $670 and $770??!?! What is it made of gold?? Wouldn't that defeat the portability purpose???
#4) 15 M iPad 1s to date and supposedly now 3 M iPad 2s in 3 weeks with lines still out the door. Bottomline Andy, the people completely disagree with you and Dell on every level.
$499 is 70% of $1600? Since when?
Not 70% of $1600, but 70% less: 0.7x1600=1120, so 1600-1120=480, i.e roughly the $499.
open, capable and affordable will win, not closed, high price and proprietary
only to say
We will do Windows 7 coupled with Android Honeycomb
If they believe open will win over proprietary, why are they investing any of their own resources on Windows 7 tablets?
Those are the exact same reasons that the iPod was destroyed by the competition ...
Oh, wait ...
Um, the iPod was never something adopted by the enterprise market, which is what Dell is trying to get into. Consumer wise, you are correct.
this was for internal use,
please developers don't abandon us
pleas MS more money for your junk OS but you'll pay me like Nokia right?
please lets not have a brain drain and our talent leave us
please keep us in mind when you talk of apple,
please connect HP and Dell to apple so when people google apple news we get mentioned
please don't let those patents be enforced, but we have MS OS as back up...oops
please hope that there is enough room for a 2nd and 3rd place hope we aren't 5th
please hope when we merge with some company we aren't canned
please don't realize how much sh*&^t we are really in
I'm buffing up my resume so when its time for me to jump i can go to a company with a brighter future...we are really toast, please don't recongnize it yet
please stock holders don't replace us
when can i start selling my stock
Now that's what i mean by "open", open thoughts of Dell and HP
who wants to lead those companies NOW????
But I guess Dell has succeeded on one front. They have us talking about them again, albeit not in the way their marketing department would prefer.
"Apple is great if you’ve got a lot of money and live on an island. It’s not so great if you have to exist in a diverse, open, connected enterprise; simple things become quite complex,” Lark added.
I guess the 30 million plus people that have bought iPads are under the impression they live on an island.
According to Lark, the high cost of additional accessories for the iPad makes the tablet inaccessible. “An iPad with a keyboard, a mouse and a case [means] you’ll be at $1500 or $1600; that’s double of what you’re paying," he said. "That’s not feasible.”
I guess I got a really good deal then. Or maybe he means it will cost that much when they buy 2 iPads, as many people do.
Dell has something with “open OS” and lower price, but the problem is nobody can compete with the ipad on price so far. HP may have something too because Apple is the worst possible bully when it comes to his suppliers or content providers, it’s a dictator and doesn’t negotiate at all. Since Apple has a collection of users with $$, dev and content providers still want to be there, but if Android become mainstream, lots of content providers will happily jump ship. We will see what happens in june with hulu, Kindle, Netflix, Zinio, mags, and other content resellers when they pull out there app from iOS if Apple enforce the 30% rule on them. This is going to hurt and spread really bad press to Apple…
Content providers should meet and make a planned move to all pull out of itunes at the same time. I think its the only to make Apple bend
The biggest threat to Apple will never be its hardware, but its way to handle the software side.
The guy's last name is "Lark." Surely that is meme-building material? Surely we can do something with this?
Merriam Webster Dictionary
Lark:
any of a family (Alaudidae) of chiefly Old World ground-dwelling songbirds that are usually brownish in color;
A bird that can't fly and looks like shit? Maybe infuse it with some good ole drug references?
"You've got to be larking me."
"Stop larking around."
"That dell plan is a big pile of lark."
"Larking in the boys room."
You made me almost lark in my pants.
That must be some real good shit that those Dell dudes are smoking.
He got it from Steve Ballmer's stash.
He?s absolutely right. Look at closed game platforms from Nintento, Sony and Microsoft. Nobody wants ?em! People want the ?open? buzzword, and all the limitations it brings. They don?t want simplicity or reliability or choice of apps.
Nailed it!
Personally from what I'm seeing on the Android platform (and the number of friends I have complaining about various little bugs that are driving them nuts for close to a year now) I have little reason to believe the Android tablets will ever be 'better' than what Apple is offering.
Their problem now is some of their CEO counterparts buy Apple products. iPhones, iPads are status symbols, higher priced but enough affordable to normal customers, and also appeal to CEOs and management, and in the iPad case, more affordable than competing products.
Now Dell, HP, Microsoft, Nokia have a problem. On principle, the CEOs and management of this companies will not use Apple products (see Bill Gates admission that he and his family are not allowed to use Apple products), so they really don't know what a quality product looks and feels like.
And they only know their company's products as abstractions, if at all, because quality does not play in a financial statement, which as bean counters, is their only source of information about their companies.
Said the iPad can't possibly sell
With the cost of it's mouse
More than a house
It can't possibly sell very well
On the other hand look at our Streak
Its so small and impossibly sleek
With it's sales off the chart
Dell is doing it's part
To put Jobs out of a job, so to speak
This just in:*Andy Lark, head of global marketing, announces he is leaving Dell for a career in standup comedy. *"I seem to have a real talent for making people laugh" said Lark.
$499 is 70% of $1600? Since when?
Perhaps he was using DellMath? The same math that says $499 (iPad) + $39 (smart cover) + $69 (BT keyboard) = $1600.
I went to bed late last night, so I woke up this morning still feeling sleepy. I rolled over and reached groggily for my iPad 2. Fired up NewsRack, just to see what the latest rumor was about WWDC and the timing of the release or announcement of iPhone 5. Out of curiosity I decided to check out what Dell and HP had to say about Apple.
Now I'm wide awake. The combination of incredibly inane comments, wishful thinking, and utter frustration expressed by the Dell and HP guys and the amusing comments by posters here made me burst out laughing. The mouse comment alone jolted me into alertness. Who needs coffee?
Thank God, I'm not the only one..
(referring to my early post on the first page)
Um, the iPod was never something adopted by the enterprise market, which is what Dell is trying to get into. Consumer wise, you are correct.
I get that, the but reasons he gives for the imminent failure of the iPad are that it's "closed, high price and proprietary" - just like the iPod. High price will definitely turn off consumers and enterprise customers alike, but that part of the statement is patently false with regards to the iPad and no one cares about the other two alleged qualities except for tech heads and bloggers.
There are two things that usually win the day in the tech world: 1) flooding the market before anyone else gets there and becoming so ubiquitous that consumers are 'stuck' in your ecosystem, even if your product is not the best out there, e.g. Microsoft Windows or 2) creating the best end user experience e.g. iPod, iPad, Wii. Not only is the iPad absolutely wiping the floor with the "competition", it also unanimously delivers the best user experience.
Consumers, enterprise: they don't give a flying
Perhaps he was using DellMath? The same math that says $499 (iPad) + $39 (smart cover) + $69 (BT keyboard) = $1600.
Read comment #124 and do your maths.
Dell should just close up shop and give the money back to the investors.
Better yet, follow the money...
Where is Michael Dell placing his strategic bets? If Dell's PC business is so great, why are all of Dell's strategic acquisitions outside of the PC space? Why are these acquisitions always in high-margin businesses (EqualLogic)? Why is Michael Dell trying to use these acquisitions to reinvent the way Dell operates internally?
Give Michael Dell and the Dell board credit for figuring out their mainline PC business is a low-margin business. Its too bad the rank-and-file in Austin haven't figured this out.
He?s absolutely right. Look at closed game platforms from Nintento, Sony and Microsoft. Nobody wants ?em! People want the ?open? buzzword, and all the limitations it brings. They don?t want simplicity or reliability or choice of apps.
And of course Bluetooth keyboards magically cost less if you can prove you own a Honeycomb tablet. Now, iPad mice, on the other hand... those are without price!
I'd say about 99% of the people who have asked me about buying an iPhone or an iPad wouldn't know what "open" was - much less ask about it.