Steve Wozniak open to returning to Apple if asked

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  • Reply 81 of 141
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
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    Originally Posted by tipt View Post


    Sorry to reply to my own comment, but I was just reading a link about Fusio-io technology and I'm not sure what hand Steve Woz had in it, but he is linked with his own game-changing technology outside of Apple.



    http://hothardware.com/Articles/Fusi...ss-SSD-Review/



    Mmm... thanks for the links. It seems that the Fusion-IO drives might be a good match for the Thunderbolt technology that Apple is beginning to use -- both are based on PCI technology.
  • Reply 82 of 141
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
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    Originally Posted by Granmastak View Post


    And yes, please show some respect, he's the other Steve of Apple, he's a philanthropist and has received numerous awards! You're only showing stupidity by making disparaging remarks about him



    There in I think you just found what they could do with him. Put him heading up outreach type stuff. Like coordinating things like this Teach For America iPad program. Or perhaps a grant program to help schools get tech in their classrooms etc.



    He may have gone a bit Gump after the crash (not uncommon after severe head injuries) but he's no moron and he's got a lot of heart. He might be great at such a role.
  • Reply 83 of 141
    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member
    All the haters here seem to think that Woz simply brought up that he would work for Apple again.

    Quote:

    "I'd consider it, yeah," the 60-year-old computer engineer said in an interview, when asked whether he would play a more active role if asked.



    What should he have done? Simply ignore the question?



    And why does everyone think they would Just put him in charge of development or PR and his word would be final? He could easily work in many positions where he could be very relevant.



    Grow up.
  • Reply 84 of 141
    a_greera_greer Posts: 4,594member
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    What does the 'Chief Scientist' in a storage company do?



    print up metal business cards with your logo that can cut expensive steaks, and go to PR functions to mention your company name in the press where it wouldn't be if he were not on staff.



    weather or not he does anything scientific is not the point, he attaches his name to something, it becomes more valuable - no matter how many jokes are made, the man co founded Apple. He will always have some level of cache with the ones who were in that scene in the 70s and 80s and who are now the tech leaders in their work places.
  • Reply 85 of 141
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
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    Originally Posted by charlituna View Post


    There in I think you just found what they could do with him. Put him heading up outreach type stuff. Like coordinating things like this Teach For America iPad program. Or perhaps a grant program to help schools get tech in their classrooms etc.



    He may have gone a bit Gump after the crash (not uncommon after severe head injuries) but he's no moron and he's got a lot of heart. He might be great at such a role.



    There's no evidence that Woz went "Gump" after the crash -- I had quite a few conversations with him in the years before and after the crash -- he seemed the same Ol' Woz.
    1. The crash was in 1981

    2. Woz promoted 2 US Festivals in 1982-2983

    3. Woz left Apple in 1985 to crate a startup Cloud Nine (CL-9)

    Some of his most brilliant work was in the Core Universal remote:











    This was, essentially, an Apple //c in a handheld format -- unheard of at that time.



    It was completely standalone, programmable and had timers that could trigger operations on any of your devices.



    You could attach it to a Mac and program from the Mac -- or use the Mac to control your AV equipment.



    AIR, the Core sold for $129 and an Apple //c sold for about $1200.



    THE CL9 CORE REMOTE



    I probably have a couple of these in storage.
  • Reply 86 of 141
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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    So, you let others form your opinions by choosing what to show you and tell you in print or video -- not by any real contact or personal observation and evaluation.



    Are you proud of that?



    Apparently not as proud as you in how serious and personal you're taking this subject. Booyah, Internet Warrior!
  • Reply 87 of 141
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    Originally Posted by mzaslove View Post


    Pete Best always said he'd return to the Beatles if he were asked. I think he's still saying that....



    But who would manage the bowling alley?



    oooh! That was mean! Sorry!
  • Reply 88 of 141
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
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    Originally Posted by SleepyCatChris View Post


    Apparently not as proud as you in how serious and personal you're taking this subject.



    Given that Dick Applebaum has met Steve Wozniak and, from his posts, has a relationship with the Woz several orders of magnitude deeper than 95% of people here (even if it was only a slew of conversations years ago), I'd say he's justified in taking it personally. It's his actual life.



    Quote:

    Booyah, Internet Warrior!



    "Aha, for you see, I can append this to my post to prevent being called out on the subject! I have indeed mastered the art of good-natured japing."



    That's you.
  • Reply 89 of 141
    damn_its_hotdamn_its_hot Posts: 1,209member
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    Originally Posted by Sofabutt View Post


    Has he done anything since co-foundling Apple? There's that Segway thing that didn't catch on and never did revolutionize human transport... He did date that female comic. Oh wait, I got it, he carries a lot of gadgets, maybe that's why he should be considered by Apple.



    His resume is pretty lackluster...



    If I were him, I would want to work for Apple too, since all his other achievements and business ventures have been pretty pathetic.



    He actually has designed and built a number of successful products. I guess that kind of depends on your POV of success though. He did an incredible remote product that was infinitely programable and chain-able to control all sorts of stuff. It was a little on the geek side but when they announced "now more hardware will be built" it was a stampede to buy as many as you could get your hands on "for later".



    Ask his public school district if he was successful - they will tell you of the best IT dept. they ever had.



    Woz is an inventor. Jobs had the business acumen to recognize that if he properly packaged and marketed his best friends inventions would make them both (including those around him) rich beyond their wildest dreams. But being as rich as he is and has been for a while was not one of his lifelong goals.



    I think there is a place for Woz at Apple. I think it is in one of those dept. that used to be associated with the advanced technology - he does not need to be figuring out what the iPhone v6 will look like but he may have some great ideas for how to extend it to do things it could never do before with less than what it had before.
  • Reply 90 of 141
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post


    I think there is a place for Woz at Apple. I think it is in one of those dept. that used to be associated with the advanced technology - he does not need to be figuring out what the iPhone v6 will look like but he may have some great ideas for how to extend it to do things it could never do before with less than what it had before.



    Exactly. Short-sighted people want Woz at Apple to make it more "open". That's complete foolishness. Apple doesn't need to be more "open". Apple would, however, benefit from Woz' penchant for tinkering.



    Let's admit it: the guy's the biggest tinkerer of our time. He says to himself, "Here's the stuff I have on me. Let's see (how far I can push this/what it can do that it was never designed to do/what kind of awesome stuff I can get it to do just for the sake of it doing awesome stuff)." And then whatever he gets working happens in the public eye a decade later (Cases in point, Woz' home Pong system and VHS recorder for television).



    Woz sees the future of technology way before anyone else. In that regard, he's exactly like Steve Jobs, except Woz not only looks at it from a different perspective, he sees different outcomes.



    As a C.E.O., Woz would be a nightmare. Which is why we need Steve (Jobs). As an R&D consultant, Woz is the perfect out-of-the-box thinker. For every ten ideas he'll have, Jobs would likely only pick one, but that's really all that we need (and all that Apple has really done). Adding Woz to R&D just increases the size of the think tank pool from which Steve (Jobs) can fish the amazing ideas for which Apple is known.
  • Reply 91 of 141
    brendonbrendon Posts: 642member
    It was Woz that discovered an interesting thing about 68xxx CPUs, due to a defect in the test samples they sent to Apple, calling curtain points in memory or executing curtain commands the CPU would instantly jump to another point in memory and begin processing. Sounds goofy but it allowed the 68xxx processors to handle all the overhead of a GUI. The calls were known as "traps" if I remember correctly. There was this very tight tie-in of software and hardware where, to write a simple Mac program you had to use low level machine language. The original Macs had this big ROM chip with the "GUI" stuff in it, and the only way to get smooth program function was to "trap" into, and out of the Apple ROM. In short, to say Woz was all about the hardware is wrong because the original Macs could not function like a PC did, the GUI had way too much overhead, it took the vey tight integration of the MacOS and the hardware.



    Steve Jobs is Apple, Woz was the Macintosh.



    Also a point, Steve Jobs knows Wozs' cell number, if there were issues with something that Woz said SJ could give him a call. I can imagine at Apple if a person blows off about something Woz said they may feel a cold stare upon them if Jobs were around. Apparently SJ is not upset with Woz, or at least has not communicated that, and SJ don't really hold back much.
  • Reply 92 of 141
    ruel24ruel24 Posts: 432member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Sofabutt View Post


    Has he done anything since co-foundling Apple? There's that Segway thing that didn't catch on and never did revolutionize human transport... He did date that female comic. Oh wait, I got it, he carries a lot of gadgets, maybe that's why he should be considered by Apple.



    His resume is pretty lackluster...



    If I were him, I would want to work for Apple too, since all his other achievements and business ventures have been pretty pathetic.



    Wow... Really? Let's see, how many computers that changed the world have you created? How many companies have you started that became one of the most successful in history? How many major rock festivals have you hosted? Ok, he lost money doing it, but I think he knew that going in... I'd say that means Bill Gates has a lackluster resume too? Oh god...the laughter!



    Woz may or may not be a good fit in the current Apple climate, however, his resume is pretty solid. Comments like these are from pretty retarded Apple fanboys.
  • Reply 93 of 141
    granmastakgranmastak Posts: 298member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by charlituna View Post


    There in I think you just found what they could do with him. Put him heading up outreach type stuff. Like coordinating things like this Teach For America iPad program. Or perhaps a grant program to help schools get tech in their classrooms etc.



    He may have gone a bit Gump after the crash (not uncommon after severe head injuries) but he's no moron and he's got a lot of heart. He might be great at such a role.



    Schools are a great way to bring some new ideas for teaching using the iPad, and he has tacking background to be a big part of it.



    Other areas he can be an asset: public relations, the design team, R&D ..... It's not as if he could lead them but say for PR alone!



    I can't believe the disrespect and smartass comments towards Woz by some of the self proclaimed experts in this forum. On top of that most seem to be talking out of their rear-end too!
  • Reply 94 of 141
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
    Help me out here...



    Quite a few posters here have said that time and technology have passed Woz by, implying that he no longer has the "chops" required to design circuts fot "Today's" devices.



    What has changed?



    Don't transistors perform the same functions the same way as they did 30 years ago? (or even 60 years ago with vacuum tubes)



    Aren't circuits just a bunch of transistors hooked together in a certain way to accomplish a given result?



    Is the processes of physically designing, prototyping and validating the logic of a circuit that much different than it was 30 years ago?



    I can't believe that circuit design begins with laying out transistor traces on a silicon wafer -- that's the end product.



    I suspect that the tools have advanced from wire-wrapped circuit boards to computer design tools. But those are just different (more powerful) tools -- which can be readily learned.





    If the process is the same what has changed to make obsolete someone with circuit design talent?





    I have always viewed circuit design, much like painting -- a combination of inspiration, vision, natural creative talent and persistence.



    Take a good artist for example, who uses oils and a easel -- does he become obsolete because of the advent of Photoshop. or, later, one of the painting tools on the iPad?



    Nah! If the good artist wants, he can learn the new tools to help express his talent.



    How is that different from a good circuit designer?
  • Reply 95 of 141
    alandailalandail Posts: 757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    How is that different from a good circuit designer?



    The answer is it's not. The comments by some on this discussion have been the most disappointing I've ever read on Apple Insider.



    If Woz really wants to come back to Apple, he should be welcomed back with open arms. Give him some engineers and a $10 million dollar/year budget and see what he comes up with.



    The whole technology has passed him by thing has the be the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Almost nothing has changed in close to 40 years except for speed and scale.
  • Reply 96 of 141
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by alandail View Post


    The answer is it's not. The comments by some on this discussion have been the most disappointing I've ever read on Apple Insider.



    If Woz really wants to come back to Apple, he should be welcomed back with open arms. Give him some engineers and a $10 million dollar/year budget and see what he comes up with.



    The whole technology has passed him by thing has the be the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Almost nothing has changed in close to 40 years except for speed and scale.



    ROTFLMAO.



    Riiigghhhhttttt.
  • Reply 97 of 141
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    ROTFLMAO.



    Riiigghhhhttttt.



    You are one of several who say that Woz can no longer contribute -- that time and technology has passed him by.



    Can you be specific on what has changed that makes him obsolete?



    What is done so differently today -- that prevents him from, quickly, getting up to speed?



    He still has the talent, AFAICT.
  • Reply 98 of 141
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    You are one of several who say that Woz can no longer contribute -- that time and technology has passed him by.



    Can you be specific on what has changed that makes him obsolete?



    What is done so differently today -- that prevents him from, quickly, getting up to speed?



    Good lord. NOTHING is the same now. He had to solder CPUs to home-built circuit boards. Programming was done in machine code. There were no tools to use.



    Today, building a computer is very much a plug and play situation. There is a standard design which you work from. Programming involves very high level object oriented programming - which wasn't even dreamed of in the 1970's.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    He still has the talent, AFAICT.



    Really? You know him personally? And you're qualified to decide who Apple should hire?



    I obviously don't know him, either, but I do know the following facts:



    1. The computing world is vastly different than it was then.

    2. Woz has not contributed anything of note for well over 20 years

    3. Woz is a loud mouth who has gotten in trouble several times for disclosing confidential information.

    4. The Apple that Woz left was a garage shop operation with a hippie culture. Apple today is an entirely different business.



    Given that, you've got the burden of proof to show that he's competent to be hired by Apple.
  • Reply 99 of 141
    dick applebaumdick applebaum Posts: 12,527member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    Good lord. NOTHING is the same now. He had to solder CPUs to home-built circuit boards. Programming was done in machine code. There were no tools to use.



    Today, building a computer is very much a plug and play situation. There is a standard design which you work from. Programming involves very high level object oriented programming - which wasn't even dreamed of in the 1970's.



    Can you provide some links -- I really do want to learn and don't know where to begin a search?



    TIA



    Dick
  • Reply 100 of 141
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    Can you provide some links -- I really do want to learn and don't know where to begin a search?



    TIA



    Dick



    Sure. Pick up anything that discusses the history of computers for the past 40 years.



    If you really think that building a computer today is exactly the same as building a computer circa 1980, you have a LOT of learning to do.
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