China iPad 2 frenzy causes Apple Store scuffle in Beijing

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  • Reply 41 of 129
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
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    I'm gonna try to beat that record. Next story that goes up where I see I'd be first to post, I'm just gonna write "Hitler!"



    Gotta say though, Godwin's Law does need a reciprocal, after all balance is fundamental to physics. In the US anything left of right wing in sentiment immediately invokes cries of socialism and communism. So, the second we see Hitler mentioned we should cry Stalin just to balance things.
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    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
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    Anybody who claims to remember the '70s obviously didn't live through them. Or was that the '60s? I forget.



    I'm told it was a bit of both. I do remember wonderful colors ...
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  • Reply 43 of 129
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member
    As a Chinese myself, this is embarrassing news.
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  • Reply 44 of 129
    gustavgustav Posts: 829member
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    Originally Posted by pit5000 View Post


    Scalpers make me sick..

    I'm Chinese so I happen to know a whole lot about these folks..

    Their culture puts "money worship" above all else; public safety, health, dignity, respect, rule of law..., nobody really cares about any of that, making money is all that seems to matter.



    In my time in China, most the people i came across have absolutely no pride in the jobs they work, they just do it for the sake of the money.



    Sad to say, that trait is not at all unique to the Chinese.
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  • Reply 45 of 129
    pit5000pit5000 Posts: 19member
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    Originally Posted by Gustav View Post


    Sad to say, that trait is not at all unique to the Chinese.



    I know but I find it very disturbing how wide spread it is in China compared to other places and I've been to over 15 countries.
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  • Reply 46 of 129
    nijiniji Posts: 288member
    i have said it for the past 2 years.

    apple does not adequately manage a supply chain that includes china, yet



    this is not the first time violence has flared at apple stores in china. in both beijing and shanghai apple stores have had to close for a day or two before in order to get control of crowds.



    is this the chinese fault? no. apple doesnt have the resources in china who have been smart enough to put in place ways to manage launches. i place the blame squarely on apple for not handling these events better. each time a new product launches in china, during the past 12 months, additional security is in place. but it is poorly done and not coordinated with local police.



    but this time there is definitely strange reporting coming out of the events at sanlitun:

    1/ the stories say that an apple employee, foreign, came out and violently struck these people with a stick. obviously this did not take place yet apple is officially silent on exactly what did take place

    2/ the photos of the "injured" show unusually similar looking bruises



    i think all this means an organised group orchestrated the event to embarrass apple. obviously not apple at fault for that.



    but china has an underside that works outside of laws and apple doesnt have the people operating on the ground in china to manage the result of that. for this apple is at fault. orchestrated events that are made to embarrass apple is one thing, but it can clearly escalate to innocent people getting hurt.



    if apple cant manage including china in its supply chain better, then apple needs to focus on other markets first, in which brand potential can be grown.



    suggestions for apple:



    1/ delay product launches in china until adequate stocks are available

    2/ no more launches of products at stores

    3/ launches only handled through the web stores

    4/ 1 item per order

    5/ five or six months after web store launch, after the world-wide supply chain is coming into balance, allow sales at physical stores in china



    no one gets hurt.

    apple wont be playing into hands of organised crime.

    orderliness is restored.

    apple gets no bad publicity.

    apple grows brand by getting product into hands of people just the same.



    store launches at apple have become media events. apple needs to take responsibility for events that happen at them.



    and get some people in china who know what they are doing.
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  • Reply 47 of 129
    suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 13,819member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pit5000 View Post


    Scalpers make me sick..

    I'm Chinese so I happen to know a whole lot about these folks..

    Their culture puts "money worship" above all else; public safety, health, dignity, respect, rule of law..., nobody really cares about any of that, making money is all that seems to matter.



    In my time in China, most the people i came across have absolutely no pride in the jobs they work, they just do it for the sake of the money.



    So they're big fans of Ayn Rand, I take it
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  • Reply 48 of 129
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    Jeez... the iPad is great but it's not worth fighting over.
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  • Reply 49 of 129
    peter236peter236 Posts: 254member
    Well, the Apple stores in the US were robbed several times before.

    So this incident is just small.
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  • Reply 50 of 129
    peter236peter236 Posts: 254member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pit5000 View Post


    Scalpers make me sick..

    I'm Chinese so I happen to know a whole lot about these folks..

    Their culture puts "money worship" above all else; public safety, health, dignity, respect, rule of law..., nobody really cares about any of that, making money is all that seems to matter.



    In my time in China, most the people i came across have absolutely no pride in the jobs they work, they just do it for the sake of the money.



    In my time in China, most of the people I met, have a lot of pride in the jobs they do.



    There are greedy scalpers in the US and other countries, selling sports event tickets, concert tickets etc. Scalpers are in every country.
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  • Reply 51 of 129
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
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    Originally Posted by KingKuei View Post


    Not surprising. China may be modernizing very rapidly, but the people have yet to catch up. I was sickened by some of the stuff I saw in Shanghai when I was spending time there a year ago. It's a First World infrastructure clashing with a just recently Third World people that are racing so fast into the modern era.



    Mainland Chinese make me ashamed sometimes that I am half ethnic-Chinese (born and raised in South East Asia and Australia).
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  • Reply 52 of 129
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    While I don't think this was orchestrated to embarrass Apple, the rest of your post is highly pertinent.



    Apple is facing two challenges colliding to form the "perfect sh*tstorm". One is insatiable demand for products. The other is doing increased business in Asia.



    US, Europe and Japan is a walk in the park compared to dealing with all levels of business in Asia... From rampant government, customs and immigration corruption through to greedy and/or disorganised suppliers, distributors and retailers in Asia.



    In the developed world waiting 1 month or more before your iPhone 4 would even be looked at for service would make the national news. Here in Malaysia people have to just swallow it like the rest of the nonsense we deal with. China is probably even worse in several ways. But the thing is I've lived in Australia and the US, which is the curse that now I know better than those who have never left Asia for long.



    The problem is compounded by the fact that since the iPhone 3G launch, even Europe was not handled that well. For example O2 in the UK having major launch day server issues (I was there at the Regent St store)... and virtually no iPhone 3G in Belgium for months and months, etc.



    Remember that through this all Apple has ceded a lot of control over to the telcos and large-chain electronics retail as well. Which I believe has helped propel the iPhone and iPad to stellar heights but not without a price for certain people in certain countries.



    If there is a "war" between iOS and Android, iPad and the rest, this is only the start of the collateral damage we are going to see. Microsoft and related businesses have built a trillion-dollar environment around the fact that it is just barely good enough and works just most of the time, and no real alternatives exist. While Apple may not sink so low, there will be sacrifices made for market share, as has already happened.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by niji View Post


    i have said it for the past 2 years.

    apple does not adequately manage a supply chain that includes china, yet..



    but china has an underside that works outside of laws and apple doesnt have the people operating on the ground in china to manage the result of that. for this apple is at fault. orchestrated events that are made to embarrass apple is one thing, but it can clearly escalate to innocent people getting hurt.



    if apple cant manage including china in its supply chain better, then apple needs to focus on other markets first, in which brand potential can be grown.



    suggestions for apple:



    1/ delay product launches in china until adequate stocks are available

    2/ no more launches of products at stores

    3/ launches only handled through the web stores

    4/ 1 item per order

    5/ five or six months after web store launch, after the world-wide supply chain is coming into balance, allow sales at physical stores in china



    no one gets hurt.

    apple wont be playing into hands of organised crime.

    orderliness is restored.

    apple gets no bad publicity.

    apple grows brand by getting product into hands of people just the same.



    store launches at apple have become media events. apple needs to take responsibility for events that happen at them.



    and get some people in china who know what they are doing.



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  • Reply 53 of 129
    taniatania Posts: 63member
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    Originally Posted by pit5000 View Post


    In my time in China, most the people i came across have absolutely no pride in the jobs they work, they just do it for the sake of the money.



    Not only in China, you'll come across a lot of people like that too in where i live.
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  • Reply 54 of 129
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
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    Originally Posted by justinnorth View Post


    Check few pics here: http://micgadget.com/12431/the-ipad-...ness-in-china/



    Check this out too:

    http://micgadget.com/12040/how-the-m...does-business/



    Just the tip of the iceberg of the grey market.
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  • Reply 55 of 129
    taniatania Posts: 63member
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    Originally Posted by peter236 View Post


    Well, the Apple stores in the US were robbed several times before.

    So this incident is just small.



    and people here seemed to forget the violence sparked by Sony's PS3 launch in the US.
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  • Reply 56 of 129
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Not to mention the infamous Tickle Me Elmo riots of the mid nineties and the Furby Genocide barely two years later. It seems we never learn. Hitler.
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  • Reply 57 of 129
    ranreloadedranreloaded Posts: 397member
    As bad PR as this may be for Apple, I don't see this kind of thing happening at a Blackberry store any time soon
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  • Reply 58 of 129
    ranreloadedranreloaded Posts: 397member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by peter236 View Post


    In my time in China, most of the people I met, have a lot of pride in the jobs they do.



    There are greedy scalpers in the US and other countries, selling sports event tickets, concert tickets etc. Scalpers are in every country.



    I remember when I first came to japan in 1997, there was this new "Tamagotchi" virtual-pet toy, and rumor had it that the Yakuza were scalping the sh*t out of them all and reselling them at a very high price.
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  • Reply 59 of 129
    successsuccess Posts: 1,040member
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    Originally Posted by poke View Post


    It's the first time I've seen consumerism posited as a precursor to Naziism too.



    Hitler was consumer whore.
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  • Reply 60 of 129
    moustachemoustache Posts: 95member
    I would rather have scalpers do what they do since its only the fools that buy them that create scalpers in the first place. Better this type of dodgy business than the ones making fake food for the sake of money that poison and kill babies, adults and pets in the past. Who knows what else is out there that are fake and a chance it'll end up on our dinner plate one day.



    Poisonous dog food

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/18/bu...1.5765820.html

    Plastic Rice

    http://www.naturalnews.com/031344_plastic_rice.html

    General

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_sa...ublic_of_China

    Fake eggs, noodles and milk

    http://forum.koreansentry.com/a/fake..._post4213.html
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