If this is true this is quite disturbing that it was an Apple Store employee that initiated the violence, and a foreigner as well. I guess things aren't always as clear cut as we'd like.
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Originally Posted by chudq
I did some research on the issue. There were a huge crowd there on iPad 2 release day. Most people were in line for long hours. Only a few people(scalpers) behaviour badly, including a Western. It looks like that fight was cause by this Western. He wears Apple uniform. He came out to smash some customers and then went back. There are some Westerns in China who think they are superior than Chinese people and they tread Chinese really rude. I have seen such kind of cases in Beijing and Shanghai. They should learn to be civilized!
Here are some reports in Chinese. I found this report from sina web site (IT section): http://tech.sina.com.cn/it/2011-05-07/19085493568.shtml and this video post with a title of "Foreigner beating Chinese and Security guards not allowing people taking photos. http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/51851850-1214341274.html. There are many posts and comments there about the event. Some say those scalpers deserve the beat, most are fiercely about foreigner's behaviour, and some are very angry about Apple's management about the release. Many people are asking for explanation from police and Apple. This may lead exploded events.
In addition to that, a lots of twitter posts on sina weibo (Chinese version of twitter) on this issue as well. It is unclear who is to blame. So I think comments here are unfair if they don't know the truth, just based on media news about China (most are negative).
I'm surprised that a lot of people here are arrogant and ignorant.
I only need to point out one thing. In the past 3000 years, China was always the leader of world in 2800 years. Don't be surprised if the old king comes back. West is just leading 200 years. What's more, Europe has lost the leadership and US is losing it.
Modern representative Democracy with checks and balances is just over two hundred years old...
You do the math.
You, as a Chinese patriot (I assume) would like to see China back on top? Cool. Embrace Democracy and freedom and get rid of the CCP!
The fact that you have to use "Chinese Twitter", "Chinese YouTube", "Chinese eBay" and have no access to Facebook, Google search and maps, the new York Times (I certainly have access to People's Daily and the Beijing Times, thank you) speaks volumes about your freedom.
Then again, I bet you anything you use a proxy. What a patriot!
I'm Chinese so I happen to know a whole lot about these folks..
Their culture puts "money worship" above all else; public safety, health, dignity, respect, rule of law..., nobody really cares about any of that, making money is all that seems to matter.
In my time in China, most the people i came across have absolutely no pride in the jobs they work, they just do it for the sake of the money.
You also describe India perfectly. People in India, for the most part, work only to make money, not to do something meaningful. There are exceptions, of course, but in general, this is the reality here.
Indians worship Bollywood stars, and acquiesce to the whims of corrupt politicians, but have no sense of inherent pride. Sigh.
"Freedom" is simply being content with the restrictions imposed on you.
True, that! I much prefer having the freedom to live somewhere where the populace don't have handguns to having the freedom to own a gun, for instance.
I also prefer having the freedom from molestation at the airport.
I also prefer having the freedom to choose government sponsored health care.
But no one can make a serious attempt at compariong freedoms in PRC to those in any fully developed nation. No one.
But We, that we are first world take their money allowing our rich nation to live beyond our means..why don't you all check how many trillions We owe them before criticizing them..or better look at number of crimes committed in our "civilized nation" compare to them..scary number..
But We, that we are first world take their money allowing our rich nation to live beyond our means..why don't you all check how many trillions We owe them before criticizing them..or better look at number of crimes committed in our "civilized nation" compare to them..scary number..
Are you inferring that Solipsism is saying that the "Chinese are uncivilized "third world" people and that China is becoming a Nazi consumer state?"
If so, you misinterpreted Solipsim's comment. If not, I misunderstood your retort.
Actually, I don't get what you are trying to say either way.
True, that! I much prefer having the freedom to live somewhere where the populace don't have handguns to having the freedom to own a gun, for instance.
I also prefer having the freedom from molestation at the airport.
I also prefer having the freedom to choose government sponsored health care.
But no one can make a serious attempt at compariong freedoms in PRC to those in any fully developed nation. No one.
Another incident to embellish & exploit for anti-Apple FUD but to quote the title of a pro wrestling opus, "Controversy Creates Cash". Next thing you know, somebody will claim that the the Apple employee beat somebody for trying to sell Xooms to the waiting customers.
That's because they refuse to use security gates when they close, you know, because it ruins the aesthetics of the store.
Adding to that is Naperville itself, which aspires to upscale suburban gentility. Foldaway gates or roll-down shutters would be considered déclassé. Betcha they now have 24-hour hi def video surveillance of the entire street area in front of the store. Hitting Apple a third time would be pushing their luck.
Those of us who have been out to the more remote and rural provinces indeed do know of the disparity between these poor regions and the larger cities on the eastern seaboard.
well i hope all things go well for you and your home land
Modern representative Democracy with checks and balances is just over two hundred years old...
You do the math.
You, as a Chinese patriot (I assume) would like to see China back on top? Cool. Embrace Democracy and freedom and get rid of the CCP!
The fact that you have to use "Chinese Twitter", "Chinese YouTube", "Chinese eBay" and have no access to Facebook, Google search and maps, the new York Times (I certainly have access to People's Daily and the Beijing Times, thank you) speaks volumes about your freedom.
Then again, I bet you anything you use a proxy. What a patriot!
i am not convinced that democracy can bring a country to an economical power. at least i have not yet seen on case.
there are facebook/google alternatives, so why do chinese need them? i visited nyt without any issues when i was in china last month. to me it seems that only chinese version websites would be affected.
Modern representative Democracy with checks and balances is just over two hundred years old...
You do the math.
You, as a Chinese patriot (I assume) would like to see China back on top? Cool. Embrace Democracy and freedom and get rid of the CCP!
The fact that you have to use "Chinese Twitter", "Chinese YouTube", "Chinese eBay" and have no access to Facebook, Google search and maps, the new York Times (I certainly have access to People's Daily and the Beijing Times, thank you) speaks volumes about your freedom.
Then again, I bet you anything you use a proxy. What a patriot!
Hey just broaden your horizon. There are other websites all over the world, not only American.
Why would the Chinese need to use twitter, when sina.com's Weibo has more functionalities?
Chinese people just prefer Baidu.com over google, yahoo or bing just because Baidu offers better search results for them.
They use youku.com and tudou.com over youtube.com.
Ebay is just another auction website, and there are a large number of Chinese auction and retail websites, like Alibaba.com and Taobao.com.
Hey just broaden your horizon. There are other websites all over the world, not only American.
Why would the Chinese need to use twitter, when sina.com's Weibo has more functionalities?
Chinese people just prefer Baidu.com over google, yahoo or bing just because Baidu offers better search results for them.
They use youku.com and tudou.com over youtube.com.
Ebay is just another auction website, and there are a large number of Chinese auction and retail websites, like Alibaba.com and Taobao.com.
Chinese users are free from US website hegemony.
The difference is -- and this is the point -- that users in the US can use all of those Chinese websites. Users in China can NOT use certain websites all around the world, and it's not because e Chinese versions are better, whether or not that's the case. It's because the CCP does not want to give you access to information that may show that there are freedoms that you do not have in China. They don't want you to know who Ai Bei Bei is and why he was arrested. So they block international social networking sites and news sites. That type of government will eventually collapse, either through revolution or through economic failure. Unless PRC allows freedom of information and freedom of speech at minimum, it's not a question of whether it willnfail, it's a question of how soon.
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I did some research on the issue. There were a huge crowd there on iPad 2 release day. Most people were in line for long hours. Only a few people(scalpers) behaviour badly, including a Western. It looks like that fight was cause by this Western. He wears Apple uniform. He came out to smash some customers and then went back. There are some Westerns in China who think they are superior than Chinese people and they tread Chinese really rude. I have seen such kind of cases in Beijing and Shanghai. They should learn to be civilized!
Here are some reports in Chinese. I found this report from sina web site (IT section): http://tech.sina.com.cn/it/2011-05-07/19085493568.shtml and this video post with a title of "Foreigner beating Chinese and Security guards not allowing people taking photos. http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/51851850-1214341274.html. There are many posts and comments there about the event. Some say those scalpers deserve the beat, most are fiercely about foreigner's behaviour, and some are very angry about Apple's management about the release. Many people are asking for explanation from police and Apple. This may lead exploded events.
In addition to that, a lots of twitter posts on sina weibo (Chinese version of twitter) on this issue as well. It is unclear who is to blame. So I think comments here are unfair if they don't know the truth, just based on media news about China (most are negative).
I'm surprised that a lot of people here are arrogant and ignorant.
I only need to point out one thing. In the past 3000 years, China was always the leader of world in 2800 years. Don't be surprised if the old king comes back. West is just leading 200 years. What's more, Europe has lost the leadership and US is losing it.
Modern representative Democracy with checks and balances is just over two hundred years old...
You do the math.
You, as a Chinese patriot (I assume) would like to see China back on top? Cool. Embrace Democracy and freedom and get rid of the CCP!
The fact that you have to use "Chinese Twitter", "Chinese YouTube", "Chinese eBay" and have no access to Facebook, Google search and maps, the new York Times (I certainly have access to People's Daily and the Beijing Times, thank you) speaks volumes about your freedom.
Then again, I bet you anything you use a proxy. What a patriot!
Scalpers make me sick..
I'm Chinese so I happen to know a whole lot about these folks..
Their culture puts "money worship" above all else; public safety, health, dignity, respect, rule of law..., nobody really cares about any of that, making money is all that seems to matter.
In my time in China, most the people i came across have absolutely no pride in the jobs they work, they just do it for the sake of the money.
You also describe India perfectly. People in India, for the most part, work only to make money, not to do something meaningful. There are exceptions, of course, but in general, this is the reality here.
Indians worship Bollywood stars, and acquiesce to the whims of corrupt politicians, but have no sense of inherent pride. Sigh.
Very true. Mickey Mouse.
Agreed. Peter Griffin.
Embrace Democracy and freedom...
"Freedom" is simply being content with the restrictions imposed on you.
"Freedom" is simply being content with the restrictions imposed on you.
Heil!
"Freedom" is simply being content with the restrictions imposed on you.
True, that! I much prefer having the freedom to live somewhere where the populace don't have handguns to having the freedom to own a gun, for instance.
I also prefer having the freedom from molestation at the airport.
I also prefer having the freedom to choose government sponsored health care.
But no one can make a serious attempt at compariong freedoms in PRC to those in any fully developed nation. No one.
Chinese are uncivilized "third world" people?
China is becoming a Nazi consumer state?
*sigh*
This thread never stood a chance.
But We, that we are first world take their money allowing our rich nation to live beyond our means..why don't you all check how many trillions We owe them before criticizing them..or better look at number of crimes committed in our "civilized nation" compare to them..scary number..
But We, that we are first world take their money allowing our rich nation to live beyond our means..why don't you all check how many trillions We owe them before criticizing them..or better look at number of crimes committed in our "civilized nation" compare to them..scary number..
Are you inferring that Solipsism is saying that the "Chinese are uncivilized "third world" people and that China is becoming a Nazi consumer state?"
If so, you misinterpreted Solipsim's comment. If not, I misunderstood your retort.
Actually, I don't get what you are trying to say either way.
True, that! I much prefer having the freedom to live somewhere where the populace don't have handguns to having the freedom to own a gun, for instance.
I also prefer having the freedom from molestation at the airport.
I also prefer having the freedom to choose government sponsored health care.
But no one can make a serious attempt at compariong freedoms in PRC to those in any fully developed nation. No one.
Agree on all points.
Well, herein, freedom is defined as being allowed to expound on topics that one does not understand, such as ... freedom.
Heh, heh ....
That's because they refuse to use security gates when they close, you know, because it ruins the aesthetics of the store.
Adding to that is Naperville itself, which aspires to upscale suburban gentility. Foldaway gates or roll-down shutters would be considered déclassé. Betcha they now have 24-hour hi def video surveillance of the entire street area in front of the store. Hitting Apple a third time would be pushing their luck.
Those of us who have been out to the more remote and rural provinces indeed do know of the disparity between these poor regions and the larger cities on the eastern seaboard.
well i hope all things go well for you and your home land
peace
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Modern representative Democracy with checks and balances is just over two hundred years old...
You do the math.
You, as a Chinese patriot (I assume) would like to see China back on top? Cool. Embrace Democracy and freedom and get rid of the CCP!
The fact that you have to use "Chinese Twitter", "Chinese YouTube", "Chinese eBay" and have no access to Facebook, Google search and maps, the new York Times (I certainly have access to People's Daily and the Beijing Times, thank you) speaks volumes about your freedom.
Then again, I bet you anything you use a proxy. What a patriot!
i am not convinced that democracy can bring a country to an economical power. at least i have not yet seen on case.
there are facebook/google alternatives, so why do chinese need them? i visited nyt without any issues when i was in china last month. to me it seems that only chinese version websites would be affected.
Give me an iPad and we're done here!
O.K.... here you go
Thanks and don't expect me to pay for the window!
Modern representative Democracy with checks and balances is just over two hundred years old...
You do the math.
You, as a Chinese patriot (I assume) would like to see China back on top? Cool. Embrace Democracy and freedom and get rid of the CCP!
The fact that you have to use "Chinese Twitter", "Chinese YouTube", "Chinese eBay" and have no access to Facebook, Google search and maps, the new York Times (I certainly have access to People's Daily and the Beijing Times, thank you) speaks volumes about your freedom.
Then again, I bet you anything you use a proxy. What a patriot!
Hey just broaden your horizon. There are other websites all over the world, not only American.
Why would the Chinese need to use twitter, when sina.com's Weibo has more functionalities?
Chinese people just prefer Baidu.com over google, yahoo or bing just because Baidu offers better search results for them.
They use youku.com and tudou.com over youtube.com.
Ebay is just another auction website, and there are a large number of Chinese auction and retail websites, like Alibaba.com and Taobao.com.
Chinese users are free from US website hegemony.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/as...ght/index.html
And it looks like the "attack" has been resolved:
http://agendabeijing.com/sanlitunapplestorefight/
The Apple Store employee will compensate the victim 20000 RMB (just over $3000 USD).
Another account of the events:
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/as...ght/index.html
And it looks like the "attack" has been resolved:
http://agendabeijing.com/sanlitunapplestorefight/
The Apple Store employee will compensate the victim 20000 RMB (just over $3000 USD).
Right. Violence "resolved" by a cash payout. *slow clap*
Will there be any ramifications for this Apple employee or just a slap on the wrist?
I guess it goes back to "who started it"... much like figuring out a playground fight.
Hey just broaden your horizon. There are other websites all over the world, not only American.
Why would the Chinese need to use twitter, when sina.com's Weibo has more functionalities?
Chinese people just prefer Baidu.com over google, yahoo or bing just because Baidu offers better search results for them.
They use youku.com and tudou.com over youtube.com.
Ebay is just another auction website, and there are a large number of Chinese auction and retail websites, like Alibaba.com and Taobao.com.
Chinese users are free from US website hegemony.
The difference is -- and this is the point -- that users in the US can use all of those Chinese websites. Users in China can NOT use certain websites all around the world, and it's not because e Chinese versions are better, whether or not that's the case. It's because the CCP does not want to give you access to information that may show that there are freedoms that you do not have in China. They don't want you to know who Ai Bei Bei is and why he was arrested. So they block international social networking sites and news sites. That type of government will eventually collapse, either through revolution or through economic failure. Unless PRC allows freedom of information and freedom of speech at minimum, it's not a question of whether it willnfail, it's a question of how soon.