Terrorists probably love flash. They use PC laptops, running Windows most likely.
Have you ever heard of a terrorist being captured with a Mac? When Bin Laden was killed like the degenerate scum that he was, do you think that they confiscated a Mac laptop? When Shiek Mohammed (soon to be dead, hopefully) was captured and had his laptop confiscated, do you think it was a Macbook? I don't.
There might be a terrorist or two out there that has a Mac. There are enough of them out there and the possibility that some of them have Macs is not far fetched. I'm just saying that to date, no terrorist which has been caught so far used a Mac, as far as I know. If an Apple store happens to open up in Islamabad, then things might change.
Eventually, the sales of android tablets being made by every other manufacturer on the planet might just sell more than one tablet made by one manufacturer. It might be many years from now, but it'll probably happen, just like with the phones.
When people compare iOS to Android, they're comparing 1 company VS everybody else, which includes hundreds of companies. That tells you how strong Apple is compared to everybody else.
One would normally think that dozens of companies would sell more products than one company would given many more model choices and lower price points. That's almost a given. But in Apple's case with tablets, they might be proven wrong. I understand that Android smartphones (a dozen companies, dozens of various models and many BOGO deals) are outselling basically the one model iPhone, but Apple isn't being overwhelmingly beaten. 10% less market share than Android isn't all that much and Apple is making nearly 50% of smartphone profits, so Apple is doing very well.
Narayen is entitled to his opinion and a lot of analysts are saying the same thing that Apple tablets will be in the minority eventually, but there's certainly no indication of that happening at this point. \
I'm willing to bet that with time, the history of the MP3 will repeat itself with most other devices that apple makes. 10 years ago (I don't know the exact date?shoot me) Apple entered the MP3 player market. They now own 70-75% of that market, leaving the others to fight over the crumbs, with profits so slim that the smarter companies have surrendered.
The iPhone hit the street to a chorus of guffaws (the YouTube of Balmer dissing the iPhone is a classic) just over four years ago; the street is already filled with the walking dead?RIM, Palm, Nokia, Motorola, and iPhone hasn't gotten much beyond 10% in most markets; It is certainly more profitable than ANY phone (let's face it, who wants market share if you're not making money?). True, Android is giving Apple a run for its money on the smartphone side, but with ecosystem tweaks and NFR technology, the highly capable iPhone will become even more useful; I'd be surprised if the Android momentum continues much longer. So 70-75% in another area in, let's say 10 years from launch date (2017)
iPad Hmmmm?to say that the iPad will become a has-been is to ignore history. Apple has or will capture 70-75% of the market of products that existed before they came along with a better mousetrap. iPad on the other hand, is an entirely new category. To believe that anyone will make significant inroads into a category that apple created is just silly; that CEO should step down
Is the Adobe CEO anything but a Troll at this point? If he really believes what he is saying, he should be fired. Actually he should be fired either way. Wow. Maybe he could take the job at RIM.
This is a good example of another CEO out of touch with the building IOS wave. Flash is a resource hog through and through. It eats battery life. Adobe lacks the integrity to cop to the obvious.
The general tendency for the PC crowd is to think "computer" when building a tablet. This flawed approach works to Apple's advantage.
As much as I hate to say something positive about Windows, it appeases that Narayen has forgotten or is ignoring the fact the Windows 8 is supporting HTML 5. That will certainly place additional pressure on the Flash platform to compete, forcing them to operate more efficiently if they want to survive.
And, please tell me that Narayen doesn't really think that the iPad will continue, unabated in it's current form. I'm willing to bet that Apple will continue to develop new and better innovative products that will advance the computing window in the future. In short, Apple is not going to develop a stagnant product line. It will continue to innovate. And, as long as Adobe and others continue to think that the goal is to beat the iPad, they will lose to the next innovative product.
Eventually, the sales of android tablets being made by every other manufacturer on the planet might just sell more than one tablet made by one manufacturer. It might be many years from now, but it'll probably happen, just like with the phones.
When people compare iOS to Android, they're comparing 1 company VS everybody else, which includes hundreds of companies. That tells you how strong Apple is compared to everybody else.
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Eventually, the sales of android tablets being made by every other manufacturer on the planet might just sell more than one tablet made by one manufacturer. It might be many years from now, but it'll probably happen, just like with the phones.
When people compare iOS to Android, they're comparing 1 company VS everybody else, which includes hundreds of companies. That tells you how strong Apple is compared to everybody else.
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Eventually, the sales of android tablets being made by every other manufacturer on the planet might just sell more than one tablet made by one manufacturer. It might be many years from now, but it'll probably happen, just like with the phones.
When people compare iOS to Android, they're comparing 1 company VS everybody else, which includes hundreds of companies. That tells you how strong Apple is compared to everybody else.
While I dont directly disagree because anything is possible. But there are a couple factors that play into this which I like to point out.
But first, i have to say that I enjoy seeing that other people also, like me, realize that most fandroids touting android vs iphone seem oblivious at the fact that an android phone DOES NOT EXIST that can compete with the iPhone. It takes probably about 100 different phone models to compete with just the 1, ONE iPhone. They see it as a good thing that it takes that many android models to just "tie" the iPhone.
They also COMPLETELY remain ignorant when you throw ALL iOS devices into the mix, they outnumber android by almost 2:1! This includes iPhones, iPad, iPOD Touch.
Please name me ONE android product that is being bought faster than the rate of production?!?!?!?!? HUH? What was that???? NOTHING!!!!
1. iPad is NOT limited to one carrier.
2. The iPad price point beats current and upcoming competition.
Those two things alone creates the wide open market segment that Apple could not have with the iPhone because of their decision to get locked into a 4-5 year contract with ATT.
Had this barrier been removed I think the landscape would be MUCH different.
I dont think you would see even half the current droid population in the US had the iPhone been available on all 4 carriers from launch day or at least by the iPhone 3G.
And had Apple started the lower entry price points also with the 3G we would be in a very different ballpark.
Since the iPad does NOT have these barrier I think we will see the current figures for a while. By years end will be nearly two years since the iPad debuted and Apple will still have 80% of the market. I also truely beleive that Apple will keep up to 70% thru 2012 too!
You guys are so unkind. Exactly what would you expect the Adobe CEO to say?
Actually, I would expect Adobe to be working feverishly in secret to be the next big thing in supporting HTML5 but until then, still be upbeat about Flash.
Otherwise, you'd end up like Nokia's Elop: embracing the new but unproven (Windows Phone 7) and effectively killing off their existing solution (Symbian). And we know what's happening there...
One would normally think that dozens of companies would sell more products than one company would given many more model choices and lower price points. That's almost a given. But in Apple's case with tablets, they might be proven wrong. I understand that Android smartphones (a dozen companies, dozens of various models and many BOGO deals) are outselling basically the one model iPhone, but Apple isn't being overwhelmingly beaten. 10% less market share than Android isn't all that much and Apple is making nearly 50% of smartphone profits, so Apple is doing very well.
Narayen is entitled to his opinion and a lot of analysts are saying the same thing that Apple tablets will be in the minority eventually, but there's certainly no indication of that happening at this point. \
We all know that when you have 400 OEMS producing a tablet that runs one freaking OS, that is free, they will collectively beat the lone tablet that runs a different OS.
Moto is on its 2nd tablet in 4 months. Now multiply that by 200 OEMS and you'll eventually have a glut of tablets on the market going for $50.00 You know damn well this xmas them crap tablets running Android 2.1 will be big a$$ doorbusters at Wall mart on black Friday.
When people compare iOS to Android, they're comparing 1 company VS everybody else, which includes hundreds of companies. That tells you how strong Apple is compared to everybody else.
That's exactly right.
And here's the funny part... last quarter Apple was selling an average of 200,000 iPhones every day. That's ONE company.
Android's latest numbers are 400,000 every day... but that's from 50+ phones spread out over a dozen manufacturers.
The truth is... Apple is actually doing better than each of the Android manufacturers. Those manufacturers would KILL for Apple's numbers.
Sure... if you combine all the Android manufacturers together... of course Android's numbers will be higher.
But... HP doesn't combine their numbers will Dell when they give their results for computers... so why would you combine Samsung, HTC, LG and Motorola for phones? Those companies are bitter enemies.
Example... If Samsung has a great quarter and sells a tons of phones.... you don't hear Motorola piggybacking on that announcement saying "yay! we sell Android phones too! Team Android... go us!"
The only way it makes sense is if you say "Google's Android OS" is on X number of phones sold. But, that's not a correct comparison either... because Google doesn't sell phones...
Apple does. And Samsung, HTC, LG and Motorola each sell phones too.
He has stopped freaking out about iOS not supporting Flash because he thinks Android is going to be the dominant platform.
But he should still be freaking out because, even as a minority, iOS would be a significant minority, and companies would use technologies that give compatibility with both (HTML5 or others).
Those two things alone creates the wide open market segment that Apple could not have with the iPhone because of their decision to get locked into a 4-5 year contract with ATT.
Had this barrier been removed I think the landscape would be MUCH different.
While I agree that Apple will be in a strong position for the foreseeable future.... I must correct one thing...
The iPhone is on 200 carriers around the globe. If the iPhone was on Verizon or even Sprint and T-Mobile for the past couple of years in the US... it probably wouldn't have made that much difference overall.
The iPhone is already on multiple carriers in many countries... and in many cases Android phones overall beat iPhone sales.
But I don't really think that hurts Apple... especially if you read my previous comment 2 up from this one...
Android tablets will dominate the market??? Where were till now?? That game has already ended. Apple is dominating the tablet market and that's finished. iPad became another iPod in terms of dominance and your crappy company is dying and begging to have flash on iOS devices. Even on my Mac I'm not using flash anymore (with extensions like Click2Flash) let alone on mobile devices. Even MS and Google are moving towards HTML5
Does anyone really use any apps from AIR? I cannot name a single one...
The only one I use is the desktop Pandora program. If it wasn't for my love of music I would not have a use for A. Air. Just downloaded the latest Adobe Reader X and it was 285 megs ... give me a freakin' break!
All the complaints about Flash are completely warranted. It's a terrible program that sucks the life force from my processor. Someone here mentioned turning off flash in the browser and I was absolutely amazed at how much better my computer performed.
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Flash is why Terrorists hate America.
Terrorists probably love flash. They use PC laptops, running Windows most likely.
Have you ever heard of a terrorist being captured with a Mac? When Bin Laden was killed like the degenerate scum that he was, do you think that they confiscated a Mac laptop? When Shiek Mohammed (soon to be dead, hopefully) was captured and had his laptop confiscated, do you think it was a Macbook? I don't.
There might be a terrorist or two out there that has a Mac. There are enough of them out there and the possibility that some of them have Macs is not far fetched. I'm just saying that to date, no terrorist which has been caught so far used a Mac, as far as I know. If an Apple store happens to open up in Islamabad, then things might change.
Eventually, the sales of android tablets being made by every other manufacturer on the planet might just sell more than one tablet made by one manufacturer. It might be many years from now, but it'll probably happen, just like with the phones.
When people compare iOS to Android, they're comparing 1 company VS everybody else, which includes hundreds of companies. That tells you how strong Apple is compared to everybody else.
One would normally think that dozens of companies would sell more products than one company would given many more model choices and lower price points. That's almost a given. But in Apple's case with tablets, they might be proven wrong. I understand that Android smartphones (a dozen companies, dozens of various models and many BOGO deals) are outselling basically the one model iPhone, but Apple isn't being overwhelmingly beaten. 10% less market share than Android isn't all that much and Apple is making nearly 50% of smartphone profits, so Apple is doing very well.
Narayen is entitled to his opinion and a lot of analysts are saying the same thing that Apple tablets will be in the minority eventually, but there's certainly no indication of that happening at this point.
I think Adobe Flash will fail only when users decided to use alternative methods.
Imagine that, Flash won't fail until users actually stop using it.
Terrorists probably love flash. They use PC laptops, running Windows most likely.
I though Windows was the weapon terrorists unleashed on an unsuspecting world!! Microsoft Osama.exe?
Imagine that, Flash won't fail until users actually stop using it.
Developers have to stop using it first.
The iPhone hit the street to a chorus of guffaws (the YouTube of Balmer dissing the iPhone is a classic) just over four years ago; the street is already filled with the walking dead?RIM, Palm, Nokia, Motorola, and iPhone hasn't gotten much beyond 10% in most markets; It is certainly more profitable than ANY phone (let's face it, who wants market share if you're not making money?). True, Android is giving Apple a run for its money on the smartphone side, but with ecosystem tweaks and NFR technology, the highly capable iPhone will become even more useful; I'd be surprised if the Android momentum continues much longer. So 70-75% in another area in, let's say 10 years from launch date (2017)
iPad Hmmmm?to say that the iPad will become a has-been is to ignore history. Apple has or will capture 70-75% of the market of products that existed before they came along with a better mousetrap. iPad on the other hand, is an entirely new category. To believe that anyone will make significant inroads into a category that apple created is just silly; that CEO should step down
This is how Adobe look at portable device platform? A platform with a lot of CPU at its disposal?
Just what kind of battery will it take to satisfy using the CPU in the way he envisions?
No wonder Flash continues to be more and more of a CPU hog. No thanks. Keep it off my portable device.
The general tendency for the PC crowd is to think "computer" when building a tablet. This flawed approach works to Apple's advantage.
John Gruber says this about it re Microsoft and Windows 8: http://daringfireball.net/2011/06/wi...entally_flawed
JG's take can be applied to any of these moronic companies (RIM, Sony, HP, Motorola, etc).
And, please tell me that Narayen doesn't really think that the iPad will continue, unabated in it's current form. I'm willing to bet that Apple will continue to develop new and better innovative products that will advance the computing window in the future. In short, Apple is not going to develop a stagnant product line. It will continue to innovate. And, as long as Adobe and others continue to think that the goal is to beat the iPad, they will lose to the next innovative product.
Eventually, the sales of android tablets being made by every other manufacturer on the planet might just sell more than one tablet made by one manufacturer. It might be many years from now, but it'll probably happen, just like with the phones.
When people compare iOS to Android, they're comparing 1 company VS everybody else, which includes hundreds of companies. That tells you how strong Apple is compared to everybody else.
Eventually, the sales of android tablets being made by every other manufacturer on the planet might just sell more than one tablet made by one manufacturer. It might be many years from now, but it'll probably happen, just like with the phones.
When people compare iOS to Android, they're comparing 1 company VS everybody else, which includes hundreds of companies. That tells you how strong Apple is compared to everybody else.
Eventually, the sales of android tablets being made by every other manufacturer on the planet might just sell more than one tablet made by one manufacturer. It might be many years from now, but it'll probably happen, just like with the phones.
When people compare iOS to Android, they're comparing 1 company VS everybody else, which includes hundreds of companies. That tells you how strong Apple is compared to everybody else.
While I dont directly disagree because anything is possible. But there are a couple factors that play into this which I like to point out.
But first, i have to say that I enjoy seeing that other people also, like me, realize that most fandroids touting android vs iphone seem oblivious at the fact that an android phone DOES NOT EXIST that can compete with the iPhone. It takes probably about 100 different phone models to compete with just the 1, ONE iPhone. They see it as a good thing that it takes that many android models to just "tie" the iPhone.
They also COMPLETELY remain ignorant when you throw ALL iOS devices into the mix, they outnumber android by almost 2:1! This includes iPhones, iPad, iPOD Touch.
Please name me ONE android product that is being bought faster than the rate of production?!?!?!?!? HUH? What was that???? NOTHING!!!!
1. iPad is NOT limited to one carrier.
2. The iPad price point beats current and upcoming competition.
Those two things alone creates the wide open market segment that Apple could not have with the iPhone because of their decision to get locked into a 4-5 year contract with ATT.
Had this barrier been removed I think the landscape would be MUCH different.
I dont think you would see even half the current droid population in the US had the iPhone been available on all 4 carriers from launch day or at least by the iPhone 3G.
And had Apple started the lower entry price points also with the 3G we would be in a very different ballpark.
Since the iPad does NOT have these barrier I think we will see the current figures for a while. By years end will be nearly two years since the iPad debuted and Apple will still have 80% of the market. I also truely beleive that Apple will keep up to 70% thru 2012 too!
Actually, I would expect Adobe to be working feverishly in secret to be the next big thing in supporting HTML5 but until then, still be upbeat about Flash.
Otherwise, you'd end up like Nokia's Elop: embracing the new but unproven (Windows Phone 7) and effectively killing off their existing solution (Symbian). And we know what's happening there...
One would normally think that dozens of companies would sell more products than one company would given many more model choices and lower price points. That's almost a given. But in Apple's case with tablets, they might be proven wrong. I understand that Android smartphones (a dozen companies, dozens of various models and many BOGO deals) are outselling basically the one model iPhone, but Apple isn't being overwhelmingly beaten. 10% less market share than Android isn't all that much and Apple is making nearly 50% of smartphone profits, so Apple is doing very well.
Narayen is entitled to his opinion and a lot of analysts are saying the same thing that Apple tablets will be in the minority eventually, but there's certainly no indication of that happening at this point.
We all know that when you have 400 OEMS producing a tablet that runs one freaking OS, that is free, they will collectively beat the lone tablet that runs a different OS.
Moto is on its 2nd tablet in 4 months. Now multiply that by 200 OEMS and you'll eventually have a glut of tablets on the market going for $50.00 You know damn well this xmas them crap tablets running Android 2.1 will be big a$$ doorbusters at Wall mart on black Friday.
When people compare iOS to Android, they're comparing 1 company VS everybody else, which includes hundreds of companies. That tells you how strong Apple is compared to everybody else.
That's exactly right.
And here's the funny part... last quarter Apple was selling an average of 200,000 iPhones every day. That's ONE company.
Android's latest numbers are 400,000 every day... but that's from 50+ phones spread out over a dozen manufacturers.
The truth is... Apple is actually doing better than each of the Android manufacturers. Those manufacturers would KILL for Apple's numbers.
Sure... if you combine all the Android manufacturers together... of course Android's numbers will be higher.
But... HP doesn't combine their numbers will Dell when they give their results for computers... so why would you combine Samsung, HTC, LG and Motorola for phones? Those companies are bitter enemies.
Example... If Samsung has a great quarter and sells a tons of phones.... you don't hear Motorola piggybacking on that announcement saying "yay! we sell Android phones too! Team Android... go us!"
The only way it makes sense is if you say "Google's Android OS" is on X number of phones sold. But, that's not a correct comparison either... because Google doesn't sell phones...
Apple does. And Samsung, HTC, LG and Motorola each sell phones too.
But he should still be freaking out because, even as a minority, iOS would be a significant minority, and companies would use technologies that give compatibility with both (HTML5 or others).
Those two things alone creates the wide open market segment that Apple could not have with the iPhone because of their decision to get locked into a 4-5 year contract with ATT.
Had this barrier been removed I think the landscape would be MUCH different.
While I agree that Apple will be in a strong position for the foreseeable future.... I must correct one thing...
The iPhone is on 200 carriers around the globe. If the iPhone was on Verizon or even Sprint and T-Mobile for the past couple of years in the US... it probably wouldn't have made that much difference overall.
The iPhone is already on multiple carriers in many countries... and in many cases Android phones overall beat iPhone sales.
But I don't really think that hurts Apple... especially if you read my previous comment 2 up from this one...
Does anyone really use any apps from AIR? I cannot name a single one...
The only one I use is the desktop Pandora program. If it wasn't for my love of music I would not have a use for A. Air. Just downloaded the latest Adobe Reader X and it was 285 megs
All the complaints about Flash are completely warranted. It's a terrible program that sucks the life force from my processor. Someone here mentioned turning off flash in the browser and I was absolutely amazed at how much better my computer performed.