Ipad2 still has huge production problems. Was about 2 month late when released.
The new Imac: People who ordered custom build SSD imacs has waited 4-6 weeks and still not got the imacs
no macmini refresh for a year
no macbook air refresh almost a year
no macbook refresh almost a year
no macpro refresh over a year. New intel CPUs released 2 month ago. MacPro usually got newest CPU a couple of month before official release.
Ipod classic not updated for almost 2 years. There are hard drives that could enable a 320gig model.
Time capsule has not been updated for years. 3 terra disk available.
How shall Apple do if they want to have a release window of 3-4 weeks between products?
On time?: Ipod touch. ipod nano, appleTV take3
To be introduced 2011:
AppleTV LCD version
q1 2012
Ipad3. (they have to wait for 28nm ARM processors)
Stupidity: Kill of Xserver Xraid
Apple builds computer centre for 500 million and uses HP servers instead of Xserve/Xraid. I would sell my Apples shares if I find out that they use windows server.
Fun: Steves current obsession is Retina displays and Anoretic computers. Lets hope for an all retina display lineup. From Iphone to 30 inch cinema display.
Sad: Apple computer is dead. Its all about Ios/Iphone/Ipad. I know that Apple make most of its money from Iphone. The backlash against Apple has started with fAndroid. Using 5 year old CPUs in many computers is not good.
interesting: Apples exclusive agreement with intel runs out any day now. After that Apple can use AMD/ARM cpus in their lineup.
I am not sarcastic in the following: thank you for taking the time to enumerate what I am feeling
Is it true that Lion will not have Rosetta to run older applications?
Its true, Rosetta will not be supported at all in Lion, not even as an optional download. You'll have to stick with Snow Leopard if you have applications that depend on it.
"Lion comes out next month, so it makes sense for Apple to wait a month until they release new models. It's a no brainer. And for anybody complaining about rosetta, get with the times and step into the new century."
Well, I would love to "step into the new century", but that can be a challenge when you are on a budget. I would love to buy the latest and greatest of everything, but have to pace my self and my wallet.
Well, I would love to "step into the new century", but that can be a challenge when you are on a budget. I would love to buy the latest and greatest of everything, but have to pace my self and my wallet.
If running legacy and outdated software is very important or vital to somebody, then they can simply keep their old hardware just in case. Do what I do. I still have older machines running OS 9 if I absolutely need to use some old software, which is quite rare in my case at least.
I'm sorry, I know I'm going to be tagged as overly pessimistic here, but Lion is not nearly as revolutionary as previous OS X upgrades have been. Delaying hardware releases out of convenience for customers so they don't need to download it makes sense. Especially since in the past they'd just slip an upgrade disk into the box before shipping it, and now there are no upgrade disks.
Delaying the hardware because they are locking it into Lion so you can't downgrade to Snow Leopard is the more likely reason.
It's easy peazy to make a Lion install DVD. I respectfully disagree Lion is less revolutionary than previous versions. I think it is the most Revolutionary version yet because it's MPG centric: Multi-Touch, Physics, Gestures. Who would want to downgrade to Snow Leopard? That would be absurd.
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Originally Posted by commun5
A lot of folks will say: No Rosetta, no Lion.
Very few if any. The benefits of Lion far outweigh the loss of Rosetta.
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Originally Posted by min_t
makes no sense at all. the upgrade is free for new mac purchases. delaying the release of new hardware inconveniences the buyer and is a potential lost sale.
But many would postpone til they couldn't or forget to go through the machinations Apple would require to give out the free Lion Redemption codes. Human nature doesn't lend your theory much credibility.
Its true, Rosetta will not be supported at all in Lion, not even as an optional download. You'll have to stick with Snow Leopard if you have applications that depend on it.
I haven't messed around with virtualization on the mac very much except running a version of Parallels to use Windows on my MBP. I'm wondering if you could run both Lion and Snow Leopard in separate partitions in case you needed to use Rosetta. I'm also not sure how one installs Lion from scratch on a freshly formatted drive since it is more like an App installation than the old boot from the CD style method.
I think it is the most Revolutionary version yet because it's MPG centric: Multi-Touch, Physics, Gestures.
Touch is where it's at. I hardly ever use a mouse anymore and I probably won't ever buy one again for as long as I live. The Magic Trackpad is great, and I would recommend that everybody gets one.
I still have older machines running OS 9 if I absolutely need to use some old software, which is quite rare in my case at least.
Good. Now I know who to call on when some old file is needed which was saved with a bad filename like graphic designers used to do in the 90s using option ƒ character as in 'final'. Impossible to even list the directory using OS X, Windows or UNIX with that character in the filename.
I still use some PowerPC apps. If I was in the market for a new Mac I'd have two choices: (1) buy right away and stick with Snow Leopard, or (2) "obtain" a copy of Snow Leopard Server and run it in a virtual machine.
But I'm not in the market this year. Next year I'll have rid myself of PPC software except old games I rarely play, Thunderbolt peripherals should exist and Apple may finally support my USB 3.0 drive array at full speed.
no macpro refresh over a year. New intel CPUs released 2 month ago. MacPro usually got newest CPU a couple of month before official release.
Not exactly.
MacBookAir, refreshed October 20, 2010
MacPro, refreshed July 27, 2010
To my knowledge the new Sandybridge Xeons that are suitable for the MacPro are coming this fall, as widely discussed on this forum. The ones that are already out are of a different kind.
I still use some PowerPC apps. If I was in the market for a new Mac I'd have two choices: (1) buy right away and stick with Snow Leopard, or (2) "obtain" a copy of Snow Leopard Server and run it in a virtual machine.
But I'm not in the market this year. Next year I'll have rid myself of PPC software except old games I rarely play, Thunderbolt peripherals should exist and Apple may finally support my USB 3.0 drive array at full speed.
You could always backup your current machine onto an external drive and just boot from that when you need to access your legacy stuff.
...Next year I'll have rid myself of PPC software except old games I rarely play, Thunderbolt peripherals should exist and Apple may finally support my USB 3.0 drive array at full speed.
I wouldn't hold my breath on that last part unless Apple or someone else makes a Thunderbolt to USB3.0 adaptor.
If there is no built-in Rosetta, and you can't buy it from the app store, then a lot of people will be frustrated to find that they have data they need in some old app, and they can't get to it.
An example: say you need to calculate tax basis for some stock purchased several years ago, and you want to find out exactly when you bought it and for how much. An easy search in Quicken. Until you find out you can't use it anymore.
Certainly Apple could pay for maintaining Rosetta if they sold it on the app store. They would also avoid many pissed off customers who only find out they need it after migration to Lion.
Except no chips exist, so they can't possibly be updated. Normally Mac Pro refreshes go a year and a half between, so we're not overdue, anyway.
You're right. It's idiotic vertically. However...
More so. This won't happen EVER.
What "schedule"? What "delay"? You can't possibly know this.
See above.
So it was late... when it was released early. Okay.
That's perfectly normal.
And this is the only part of your quote with which I agree. Except your numbers are off.
And? Average time is a year and a half.
Having absolutely nothing to do with the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro uses these. Xeon E5 LGA 1356. The Mac Pro has always used those. They're not due until Q4.
It's dead. The ten year anniversary will be its funeral.
Apple has never updated the Time Capsule's capacity with any semblance of urgency.
Posts don't allow enough to adequately express how much this won't happen.
1. No one wants beautifully-designed server hardware.
2. Apple's replacing the XServe/Mac Pro/something later this year. Stay tuned.
Are... you talking about people still using PPC Macs? I don't get this.
Interesting: How you think you could possibly know this or that it can even happen.
You've seen this, yes? Can't work on AMD chips. Not going to happen ever.
When you're faced with that. much. wrong., there's not much more you can do than refute every point. I did what I could. Some things were right, some things no one can know, but most was just. plain. wrong.
FUD abounds. Nip it in the bud if you're going to do anything about it at all.
Instead, the Mac maker is said to be locked on waiting till it can image the new notebooks with a Gold Master build of Lion so that buyers are afforded the latest and greatest Apple experience.
That would REALLY suck for those of us who have to use DAW software and audio interface hardware that's highly unlikely to be "Lion ready" in July...
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Io5 delayed. Almost 4month after schedule
Iphone 5 delayed because Ios5 delayed
Ipad2 still has huge production problems. Was about 2 month late when released.
The new Imac: People who ordered custom build SSD imacs has waited 4-6 weeks and still not got the imacs
no macmini refresh for a year
no macbook air refresh almost a year
no macbook refresh almost a year
no macpro refresh over a year. New intel CPUs released 2 month ago. MacPro usually got newest CPU a couple of month before official release.
Ipod classic not updated for almost 2 years. There are hard drives that could enable a 320gig model.
Time capsule has not been updated for years. 3 terra disk available.
How shall Apple do if they want to have a release window of 3-4 weeks between products?
On time?: Ipod touch. ipod nano, appleTV take3
To be introduced 2011:
AppleTV LCD version
q1 2012
Ipad3. (they have to wait for 28nm ARM processors)
Stupidity: Kill of Xserver Xraid
Apple builds computer centre for 500 million and uses HP servers instead of Xserve/Xraid. I would sell my Apples shares if I find out that they use windows server.
Fun: Steves current obsession is Retina displays and Anoretic computers. Lets hope for an all retina display lineup. From Iphone to 30 inch cinema display.
Sad: Apple computer is dead. Its all about Ios/Iphone/Ipad. I know that Apple make most of its money from Iphone. The backlash against Apple has started with fAndroid. Using 5 year old CPUs in many computers is not good.
interesting: Apples exclusive agreement with intel runs out any day now. After that Apple can use AMD/ARM cpus in their lineup.
I am not sarcastic in the following: thank you for taking the time to enumerate what I am feeling
Is it true that Lion will not have Rosetta to run older applications?
Its true, Rosetta will not be supported at all in Lion, not even as an optional download. You'll have to stick with Snow Leopard if you have applications that depend on it.
Well, I would love to "step into the new century", but that can be a challenge when you are on a budget. I would love to buy the latest and greatest of everything, but have to pace my self and my wallet.
Well, I would love to "step into the new century", but that can be a challenge when you are on a budget. I would love to buy the latest and greatest of everything, but have to pace my self and my wallet.
If running legacy and outdated software is very important or vital to somebody, then they can simply keep their old hardware just in case. Do what I do. I still have older machines running OS 9 if I absolutely need to use some old software, which is quite rare in my case at least.
I'm sorry, I know I'm going to be tagged as overly pessimistic here, but Lion is not nearly as revolutionary as previous OS X upgrades have been. Delaying hardware releases out of convenience for customers so they don't need to download it makes sense. Especially since in the past they'd just slip an upgrade disk into the box before shipping it, and now there are no upgrade disks.
Delaying the hardware because they are locking it into Lion so you can't downgrade to Snow Leopard is the more likely reason.
It's easy peazy to make a Lion install DVD. I respectfully disagree Lion is less revolutionary than previous versions. I think it is the most Revolutionary version yet because it's MPG centric: Multi-Touch, Physics, Gestures. Who would want to downgrade to Snow Leopard? That would be absurd.
A lot of folks will say: No Rosetta, no Lion.
Very few if any. The benefits of Lion far outweigh the loss of Rosetta.
makes no sense at all. the upgrade is free for new mac purchases. delaying the release of new hardware inconveniences the buyer and is a potential lost sale.
But many would postpone til they couldn't or forget to go through the machinations Apple would require to give out the free Lion Redemption codes. Human nature doesn't lend your theory much credibility.
Its true, Rosetta will not be supported at all in Lion, not even as an optional download. You'll have to stick with Snow Leopard if you have applications that depend on it.
I haven't messed around with virtualization on the mac very much except running a version of Parallels to use Windows on my MBP. I'm wondering if you could run both Lion and Snow Leopard in separate partitions in case you needed to use Rosetta. I'm also not sure how one installs Lion from scratch on a freshly formatted drive since it is more like an App installation than the old boot from the CD style method.
I think it is the most Revolutionary version yet because it's MPG centric: Multi-Touch, Physics, Gestures.
Touch is where it's at. I hardly ever use a mouse anymore and I probably won't ever buy one again for as long as I live. The Magic Trackpad is great, and I would recommend that everybody gets one.
I still have older machines running OS 9 if I absolutely need to use some old software, which is quite rare in my case at least.
Good. Now I know who to call on when some old file is needed which was saved with a bad filename like graphic designers used to do in the 90s using option ƒ character as in 'final'. Impossible to even list the directory using OS X, Windows or UNIX with that character in the filename.
But I'm not in the market this year. Next year I'll have rid myself of PPC software except old games I rarely play, Thunderbolt peripherals should exist and Apple may finally support my USB 3.0 drive array at full speed.
no macbook air refresh almost a year
no macpro refresh over a year. New intel CPUs released 2 month ago. MacPro usually got newest CPU a couple of month before official release.
Not exactly.
MacBookAir, refreshed October 20, 2010
MacPro, refreshed July 27, 2010
To my knowledge the new Sandybridge Xeons that are suitable for the MacPro are coming this fall, as widely discussed on this forum. The ones that are already out are of a different kind.
I still use some PowerPC apps. If I was in the market for a new Mac I'd have two choices: (1) buy right away and stick with Snow Leopard, or (2) "obtain" a copy of Snow Leopard Server and run it in a virtual machine.
But I'm not in the market this year. Next year I'll have rid myself of PPC software except old games I rarely play, Thunderbolt peripherals should exist and Apple may finally support my USB 3.0 drive array at full speed.
You could always backup your current machine onto an external drive and just boot from that when you need to access your legacy stuff.
That's what I plan to do anyway.
...Next year I'll have rid myself of PPC software except old games I rarely play, Thunderbolt peripherals should exist and Apple may finally support my USB 3.0 drive array at full speed.
I wouldn't hold my breath on that last part unless Apple or someone else makes a Thunderbolt to USB3.0 adaptor.
I wouldn't hold my breath on that last part unless Apple or someone else makes a Thunderbolt to USB3.0 adaptor.
Why? When everyone has Thunderbolt, no one will NEED a USB adapter.
An example: say you need to calculate tax basis for some stock purchased several years ago, and you want to find out exactly when you bought it and for how much. An easy search in Quicken. Until you find out you can't use it anymore.
Certainly Apple could pay for maintaining Rosetta if they sold it on the app store. They would also avoid many pissed off customers who only find out they need it after migration to Lion.
Except no chips exist, so they can't possibly be updated. Normally Mac Pro refreshes go a year and a half between, so we're not overdue, anyway.
You're right. It's idiotic vertically. However...
More so. This won't happen EVER.
What "schedule"? What "delay"? You can't possibly know this.
See above.
So it was late... when it was released early. Okay.
That's perfectly normal.
And this is the only part of your quote with which I agree. Except your numbers are off.
And? Average time is a year and a half.
Having absolutely nothing to do with the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro uses these. Xeon E5 LGA 1356. The Mac Pro has always used those. They're not due until Q4.
It's dead. The ten year anniversary will be its funeral.
Apple has never updated the Time Capsule's capacity with any semblance of urgency.
Posts don't allow enough
1. No one wants beautifully-designed server hardware.
2. Apple's replacing the XServe/Mac Pro/something later this year. Stay tuned.
Are... you talking about people still using PPC Macs? I don't get this.
Interesting: How you think you could possibly know this or that it can even happen.
You've seen this, yes? Can't work on AMD chips. Not going to happen ever.
are you on a debating team or something?
You could always backup your current machine onto an external drive and just boot from that when you need to access your legacy stuff.
That's what I plan to do anyway.
Not if the new machine won't boot Snow Leopard.
are you on a debating team or something?
When you're faced with that. much. wrong., there's not much more you can do than refute every point. I did what I could. Some things were right, some things no one can know, but most was just. plain. wrong.
FUD abounds. Nip it in the bud if you're going to do anything about it at all.
Instead, the Mac maker is said to be locked on waiting till it can image the new notebooks with a Gold Master build of Lion so that buyers are afforded the latest and greatest Apple experience.
That would REALLY suck for those of us who have to use DAW software and audio interface hardware that's highly unlikely to be "Lion ready" in July...