I don't know if Quicken is "outdated software". It runs on my Mac today. I hate them for not updating their app but unfortunately I have years of Quicken data. I might have to look into migrating my Quicken data to Windows version of Quicken just in case anything happens to my Mac.
I refuse to give Intuit any more money. They've been writing too much crapware - for both Macs and Windows, although their Mac software is much worse. I'm looking at alternatives that run on Macs. I wasn't happy with previous versions, but they're supposed to have gotten better. From what I've read, iBank, SEE Finance, and Moneydance are the ones most likely to suit me.
All of them claim to be able to import your Quicken history, but I haven't tested them yet.
Me too. I'm a heavy iPad 2 user and just ordered my first Magic Trackpad from B&H this morning for use with my Mac Pro and Kensington Turbo Mouse I've been using since 1985.
I've been using a Magic Trackpad at work since it was released, no more cramps from using a mouse. Love it.
Seriously? Where have you been hiding the last 3 months? Ever here of Rosetta?
While I think it's a mistake for Apple to dump Rosetta at this time (eventually yes, but just seems to soon to me), it's an ever bigger mistake how they are handling it. Lion is only weeks away and Apple has said nothing about the loss of Rosetta. The only people who even know about it are the small percentage of people who read Apple blogs and news sites. Apple needs to be upfront and clearly communicate this change to any potential upgrader before they purchase Lion and install it. It will be a very rude awakening when people find out the hard way that they can't run some of their software.
They need to create and release some sort of Can I Upgrade utility to check the person's computer for PPC software so they know what they will lose if they upgrade. They did too good of a job with Rosetta making it nearly impossible for the average user to know they are even running PPC software. With Classic it was obvious if your software was OS 9 software. They should have demoted Rosetta in Lion and made it somewhat inconvenient/obvious to run PPC software. A nag-ware type prompt or something to warm the user they are running deprecated software that will soon be unsupported in the next OS version.
I think there are going to be a lot of surprised people who find they have software that no longer works. But Apple doesn't seem to care. Welcome to the new Apple.
I believe Apple switched to Intel in 2004?is that correct??which makes Rosetta technology about seven years old now. If you're a designer and you've been using CS2 (can't remember if CS2 is Rosetta or full-on Intel-enabled), dude, it's time to move forward. If you're concerned that your printer and/or scanner or other peripheral won't work, it's really up to the manufacturer to upgrade their drivers, and most good ones are doing a pretty good job of staying on top of things in that regard. If the manufacturer of your particular printer has not updated their software in six or seven years, it's time to seriously think of switching to a brand that's a little more caught up with the times.
I'm fairly certain that peripheral makers and driver developers are aware that Apple is moving forward with Lion. If they refuse to move forward as well, then that's their (and their customers') problem, not Apple's. It's not Apple's responsibility to accommodate those manufacturers and developers who are dragging their feet.
I'm also fairly certain that pretty much any software you've purchased in the last four years is for Intel-based Macs only, and is hence, post-Rosetta. Software developers who want to keep their customers need to provide post-PPC upgrade paths for their software. It's the developers' responsibility to stay up-to-date. Again, it's not Apple's responsibility to wait around for stragglers.
I'm also fairly certain that pretty much any software you've purchased in the last four years is for Intel-based Macs only, and is hence, post-Rosetta.
I've been using a Magic Trackpad at work since it was released, no more cramps from using a mouse. Love it.
Has anyone played Starcraft 2 on a trackpad? I've tried and it's not gone well. I find a mouse is much better/easier. Unless or until Blizzard comes out with a multi-touch patch for their games.
As I said, iCloud for anything, coming this Fall. It won't be visible or enabled in Lion next month. It will arrive with iOS 5, since that's it's greatest purpose anyway.
But in my case Tokyo gets hot and sticky and even on my MBA trackpad sometimes my sparkling clean fingers start to drag. Yeah...we're not really supposed to use AC too much this summer either ^^; (fear of power outages)
I think most likely situation is Apple withholding introducing a totally new mac to coincide with OS X Lion.
You know, the one that appears as a patent application before... The all new iMac that can recline for finger-base operation and stand up for normal mouse/keyboard combination.
I'm sorry, I know I'm going to be tagged as overly pessimistic here, but Lion is not nearly as revolutionary as previous OS X upgrades have been. Delaying hardware releases out of convenience for customers so they don't need to download it makes sense. Especially since in the past they'd just slip an upgrade disk into the box before shipping it, and now there are no upgrade disks.
Delaying the hardware because they are locking it into Lion so you can't downgrade to Snow Leopard is the more likely reason.
Actually, that is a very astute observation. Locking the hardware to Lion is very likely part of the strategy. And I've been criticised repeatedly for saying that there's nothing really fantastic about Lion, but at least you agree too. Also, seeing Craig Federighi (spelling?) struggling with the multi-touch gestures during the WWDC demo was just... somewhat disturbing. Yes, he was probably nervous, but still...
Anyways, I'll hold off on Lion for a few months, unless I get bored and just upgrade anyway. But I will definitely try to wait to see the initial reviews and what bugs crop up. In any case my Internet connection may not be good enough to do a presumably un-resumeable (like Xcode 4) 4+GB download (ie. it might take several tries over several days especially if it keeps timing out).
Lion is schmick. It's my favorite OS X ever, and not just because it's newest (I don't believe newer is always better), but because it's *polished*. It's like, they spent 10.0 to 10.5 adding major features to catch up with their competitors, 10.6 to improve performance, and 10.7 is where they get to have some fun.
No model of computer can run an earlier version of software than the first version with which that model was shipped.
Just plain false.
It's largely true for Macs (although it is sometimes possible to hack them to run earlier versions), but it is completely false for Windows, Linux, and other operating systems that are not tied so tightly to the OS. I can buy a brand new computer and install Windows XP on it without any difficulty (might have to spend some time looking for drivers, but that's it).
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While you're right that Thunderbolt peripherals will likely be considerably more expensive than their USB 3.0 counterparts (just like FW peripherals were vs. USB 2.0), a simple fix is a USB 3.0 hub that should cost <$30 and should give 4 USB 3.0 ports that go into 1 Thunderbolt port.
First, many peripherals will have both USB 3 and Thunderbolt ports, so how do you conclude that it's going to cost more to use Thunderbolt?
Second, add in the cost of your USB hub - which isn't needed with Thunderbolt and some of the cost difference goes away.
Finally, Thunderbolt is much faster, so there's a tradeoff - even if you were correct about the cost.
It's largely true for Macs (although it is sometimes possible to hack them to run earlier versions), but it is completely false for Windows, Linux, and other operating systems that are not tied so tightly to the OS. I can buy a brand new computer and install Windows XP on it without any difficulty (might have to spend some time looking for drivers, but that's it).
Yeah, I know. We're talking about Macs here. This is a Mac forum. I realize out of context my post could be ambiguous, but as I'm directly responding to someone talking about installing an earlier version of OS X on their Mac, it's implied.
Fine for consumers maybe, but for business/government not so much.
Rarely does the professional market jump into a new OS as soon as it is released. Sorting out compatibility problems is just one reason among many that a new OS isn't instantly deployed.
That being said, as popular as OS X based computers are in various professional fields, from a percentage standpoint they are making up a smaller and smaller number of OS X hardware sales. If past history is any indication, this means Apple will start caring about them less and less. If Apple holds hardware back for an OS release and then the professional market cuts back orders for awhile, I doubt Apple cares much.
-kpluck
The entire "Cloud" idea might be "nice" for consumers, but it is stupid for businesses. Read the fine print of the service contract. Companies that offer "cloud" services state that they are not responsible for any corruption/loss of data. The end user also surrenders ultimate ownership and control of the data to the Cloud owners. Federal/State/Local governments may also be restricted by laws that state that government data must reside on government servers. No Cloud for them!
Apple is too busy with consumer handheld devices to care about the enterprise. Apple got rid of XServe. Is the Cloud supposed to replace the Xserve and the concept of having Apple products in the server room. If not, then are businesses expected to continue to use Microsoft servers for file and print. OD is crap. Anyone who has used both OD and AD know what I mean. It would be ideal if Apple could merge OD into Apple Remote Desktop and also release an updated version of Xserve. Exchange is an unpredictable, bloated piece of garbage. Sadly, Apple has zero interest in competing with Exchange. Apple should kill Exchange by offering a free, robust, feature-filled e-mail server. Does Apple want to kick Microsoft out of the server room, or not?\
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I don't know if Quicken is "outdated software". It runs on my Mac today. I hate them for not updating their app but unfortunately I have years of Quicken data. I might have to look into migrating my Quicken data to Windows version of Quicken just in case anything happens to my Mac.
I refuse to give Intuit any more money. They've been writing too much crapware - for both Macs and Windows, although their Mac software is much worse. I'm looking at alternatives that run on Macs. I wasn't happy with previous versions, but they're supposed to have gotten better. From what I've read, iBank, SEE Finance, and Moneydance are the ones most likely to suit me.
All of them claim to be able to import your Quicken history, but I haven't tested them yet.
I second this, except for when my fingers stick to the pad and I wish I had a mouse. Needs to be a bit more silky smooth.
Lay off the cheetohs and french fries, dude.
Me too. I'm a heavy iPad 2 user and just ordered my first Magic Trackpad from B&H this morning for use with my Mac Pro and Kensington Turbo Mouse I've been using since 1985.
I've been using a Magic Trackpad at work since it was released, no more cramps from using a mouse. Love it.
Seriously? Where have you been hiding the last 3 months? Ever here of Rosetta?
While I think it's a mistake for Apple to dump Rosetta at this time (eventually yes, but just seems to soon to me), it's an ever bigger mistake how they are handling it. Lion is only weeks away and Apple has said nothing about the loss of Rosetta. The only people who even know about it are the small percentage of people who read Apple blogs and news sites. Apple needs to be upfront and clearly communicate this change to any potential upgrader before they purchase Lion and install it. It will be a very rude awakening when people find out the hard way that they can't run some of their software.
They need to create and release some sort of Can I Upgrade utility to check the person's computer for PPC software so they know what they will lose if they upgrade. They did too good of a job with Rosetta making it nearly impossible for the average user to know they are even running PPC software. With Classic it was obvious if your software was OS 9 software. They should have demoted Rosetta in Lion and made it somewhat inconvenient/obvious to run PPC software. A nag-ware type prompt or something to warm the user they are running deprecated software that will soon be unsupported in the next OS version.
I think there are going to be a lot of surprised people who find they have software that no longer works. But Apple doesn't seem to care. Welcome to the new Apple.
I believe Apple switched to Intel in 2004?is that correct??which makes Rosetta technology about seven years old now. If you're a designer and you've been using CS2 (can't remember if CS2 is Rosetta or full-on Intel-enabled), dude, it's time to move forward. If you're concerned that your printer and/or scanner or other peripheral won't work, it's really up to the manufacturer to upgrade their drivers, and most good ones are doing a pretty good job of staying on top of things in that regard. If the manufacturer of your particular printer has not updated their software in six or seven years, it's time to seriously think of switching to a brand that's a little more caught up with the times.
I'm fairly certain that peripheral makers and driver developers are aware that Apple is moving forward with Lion. If they refuse to move forward as well, then that's their (and their customers') problem, not Apple's. It's not Apple's responsibility to accommodate those manufacturers and developers who are dragging their feet.
I'm also fairly certain that pretty much any software you've purchased in the last four years is for Intel-based Macs only, and is hence, post-Rosetta. Software developers who want to keep their customers need to provide post-PPC upgrade paths for their software. It's the developers' responsibility to stay up-to-date. Again, it's not Apple's responsibility to wait around for stragglers.
I believe Apple switched to Intel in 2004
2006...
I'm also fairly certain that pretty much any software you've purchased in the last four years is for Intel-based Macs only, and is hence, post-Rosetta.
Or Universal Binary, but yes.
I've been using a Magic Trackpad at work since it was released, no more cramps from using a mouse. Love it.
Has anyone played Starcraft 2 on a trackpad? I've tried and it's not gone well. I find a mouse is much better/easier. Unless or until Blizzard comes out with a multi-touch patch for their games.
As I said, iCloud for anything, coming this Fall. It won't be visible or enabled in Lion next month. It will arrive with iOS 5, since that's it's greatest purpose anyway.
2006...
Right. Thanks.
Or Universal Binary, but yes.
Also thanks!
Lay off the cheetohs and french fries, dude.
Haha, I'll keep that in mind!
But in my case Tokyo gets hot and sticky and even on my MBA trackpad sometimes my sparkling clean fingers start to drag. Yeah...we're not really supposed to use AC too much this summer either ^^; (fear of power outages)
Can anybody explain the benefits of Lion to me?
As far as I can see, it would turn my iMac into a 24" iPad - but without a touch screen.
And I believe it's lost iSync - so no more synching my Nokia phone.
Really - what's the point?
Mr Puzzled
You know, the one that appears as a patent application before... The all new iMac that can recline for finger-base operation and stand up for normal mouse/keyboard combination.
That's why pumped up.
I'm pretty sure that for Lion and iCloud they said July.
No, they said fall, and the website says fall.
I'm sorry, I know I'm going to be tagged as overly pessimistic here, but Lion is not nearly as revolutionary as previous OS X upgrades have been. Delaying hardware releases out of convenience for customers so they don't need to download it makes sense. Especially since in the past they'd just slip an upgrade disk into the box before shipping it, and now there are no upgrade disks.
Delaying the hardware because they are locking it into Lion so you can't downgrade to Snow Leopard is the more likely reason.
Actually, that is a very astute observation. Locking the hardware to Lion is very likely part of the strategy. And I've been criticised repeatedly for saying that there's nothing really fantastic about Lion, but at least you agree too. Also, seeing Craig Federighi (spelling?) struggling with the multi-touch gestures during the WWDC demo was just... somewhat disturbing. Yes, he was probably nervous, but still...
Anyways, I'll hold off on Lion for a few months, unless I get bored and just upgrade anyway. But I will definitely try to wait to see the initial reviews and what bugs crop up. In any case my Internet connection may not be good enough to do a presumably un-resumeable (like Xcode 4) 4+GB download (ie. it might take several tries over several days especially if it keeps timing out).
No, they said fall, and the website says fall.
Lion July, iCloud Fall.
Repeat 10 times after me...
Lion comes spritely in July,
Oh Apple please don't lie...
iCloud comes brightly in Fall,
Oh Apple please don't drop the ball.
Has anyone played Starcraft 2 on a trackpad?
You should get an award just for trying.
You should get an award just for trying.
HAHAHA!!
No model of computer can run an earlier version of software than the first version with which that model was shipped.
Just plain false.
It's largely true for Macs (although it is sometimes possible to hack them to run earlier versions), but it is completely false for Windows, Linux, and other operating systems that are not tied so tightly to the OS. I can buy a brand new computer and install Windows XP on it without any difficulty (might have to spend some time looking for drivers, but that's it).
While you're right that Thunderbolt peripherals will likely be considerably more expensive than their USB 3.0 counterparts (just like FW peripherals were vs. USB 2.0), a simple fix is a USB 3.0 hub that should cost <$30 and should give 4 USB 3.0 ports that go into 1 Thunderbolt port.
First, many peripherals will have both USB 3 and Thunderbolt ports, so how do you conclude that it's going to cost more to use Thunderbolt?
Second, add in the cost of your USB hub - which isn't needed with Thunderbolt and some of the cost difference goes away.
Finally, Thunderbolt is much faster, so there's a tradeoff - even if you were correct about the cost.
Just plain false.
It's largely true for Macs (although it is sometimes possible to hack them to run earlier versions), but it is completely false for Windows, Linux, and other operating systems that are not tied so tightly to the OS. I can buy a brand new computer and install Windows XP on it without any difficulty (might have to spend some time looking for drivers, but that's it).
Yeah, I know. We're talking about Macs here. This is a Mac forum. I realize out of context my post could be ambiguous, but as I'm directly responding to someone talking about installing an earlier version of OS X on their Mac, it's implied.
Fine for consumers maybe, but for business/government not so much.
Rarely does the professional market jump into a new OS as soon as it is released. Sorting out compatibility problems is just one reason among many that a new OS isn't instantly deployed.
That being said, as popular as OS X based computers are in various professional fields, from a percentage standpoint they are making up a smaller and smaller number of OS X hardware sales. If past history is any indication, this means Apple will start caring about them less and less. If Apple holds hardware back for an OS release and then the professional market cuts back orders for awhile, I doubt Apple cares much.
-kpluck
The entire "Cloud" idea might be "nice" for consumers, but it is stupid for businesses. Read the fine print of the service contract. Companies that offer "cloud" services state that they are not responsible for any corruption/loss of data. The end user also surrenders ultimate ownership and control of the data to the Cloud owners. Federal/State/Local governments may also be restricted by laws that state that government data must reside on government servers. No Cloud for them!
Apple is too busy with consumer handheld devices to care about the enterprise. Apple got rid of XServe. Is the Cloud supposed to replace the Xserve and the concept of having Apple products in the server room. If not, then are businesses expected to continue to use Microsoft servers for file and print. OD is crap. Anyone who has used both OD and AD know what I mean. It would be ideal if Apple could merge OD into Apple Remote Desktop and also release an updated version of Xserve. Exchange is an unpredictable, bloated piece of garbage. Sadly, Apple has zero interest in competing with Exchange. Apple should kill Exchange by offering a free, robust, feature-filled e-mail server. Does Apple want to kick Microsoft out of the server room, or not?
*****By the way, does anyone know how I can delete my accounts from AppleInsider? Emailing the admin (Jambo) triggers ZERO response. Thank you.