So, could someone with GM let us know if one can make a stand-alone installer that could be transferred to an external device/DVD? Or did Apple nix that since prior versions . . . .?
thanks
I second this. I too am hoping Apple has retained the option to burn a physical recovery media. Would be nice to be able to make it a USB flash drive too as it's much faster and more versatile.
But I have to imagine that if Apple is going to ship Macs with Lion, that they would include recovery media as they have always done in the event that the HD is replaced or reformatted such that a recovery partition is unusable.
I think Apple may have dropped the ball on this one.
You jest, right?
The power, flexibility and ease of use of Lion is astounding. It takes only seconds to get used to the new multi touch gestures. There is far more to it than a few tiles.
The power, flexibility and ease of use of Lion is astounding. It takes only seconds to get used to the new multi touch gestures. There is far more to it than a few tiles.
I'm already running windows 8 on my iPad2, sort of. I have bing, which is of course by MS, and that app reminds me of windows 8 with all of the tiles.
I think Apple may have dropped the ball on this one.
From a gut reaction looking at the two side-by-side, it seems that Windows 8 tries to present all of your fragments of information in a big grid while Lion works to let you focus even better on one thing at a time. Unity vs. focus.
For me Windows, like Android, tries to be all things to all people and give me everything it can show me. It's like drinking from a fire hydrant. I can't get work done that way because it's too distracting: too fragmented. I get pulled from one thing to another without ever really engaging any of the tasks.
Lion, on the other hand, allows me to bring each task into even greater focus; thus enabling me to do a higher quality job in a quicker timeframe without losing any of the pieces in my task list.
Your preference will dictate what you purchase and use, and mine is Lion.
W8 has the same gestures. It also has "live tiles" which are more useful than icons.
Most importantly, it finally moved past the desktop metaphor that is over 25 years old and Apple still uses.
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You jest, right?
The power, flexibility and ease of use of Lion is astounding. It takes only seconds to get used to the new multi touch gestures. There is far more to it than a few tiles.
W8 has the same gestures. It also has "live tiles" which are more useful than icons.
Most importantly, it finally moved past the desktop metaphor that is over 25 years old and Apple still uses.
Haha. Windows 8 looks like it's made for really stupid and simple people. It just looks like a bunch of big widgets shaped like tiles on your desktop, providing real useful info such as the weather.
And how much is that crap going to cost? As we all know, Lion will be $29. Only a fool would shell out good money to downgrade their OS and get a couple of tiles on their desktop instead. We all know how much MS charges for their operating systems.
What it's doing is giving you an customized overview of the various things in your life. It's sweet that I can see my next appointment without launching the calendar, new emails without launching mail, weather without launching weather, etc.
It's all very efficient... "glance and go"
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Haha. Windows 8 looks like it's made for really stupid and simple people. It just looks like a bunch of big widgets shaped like tiles on your desktop, providing real useful info such as the weather.
And how much is that crap going to cost? As we all know, Lion will be $29. Only a fool would shell out good money to downgrade their OS and get a couple of tiles on their desktop instead. We all know how much MS charges for their operating systems.
Haha. Windows 8 looks like it's made for really stupid and simple people. It just looks like a bunch of big widgets shaped like tiles on your desktop, providing real useful info such as the weather.
And how much is that crap going to cost? As we all know, Lion will be $29. Only a fool would shell out good money to downgrade their OS and get a couple of tiles on their desktop instead. We all know how much MS charges for their operating systems.
The amount M$ charges for their OS is likely to change either. It is how they make their money, it is what they are known for. Apple is known for a complete solutions.
What it's doing is giving you an customized overview of the various things in your life. It's sweet that I can see my next appointment without launching the calendar, new emails without launching mail, weather without launching weather, etc.
It's all very efficient... "glance and go"
To me, it's too much detailed information in a small area. I prefer apple's method in that I can select which information to focus on.
I think Apple may have dropped the ball on this one.
I dunno about dropping the ball, I think WP7 / Win 8 have an interesting look and I think that they may even mark the first time in MS' history when it has advanced the state of the art of UI design.
That doesn't mean that Apple failed though - Apple has always gone with a more minimal approach, MS has always gone with a more busy and colourful approach.
Win 8 is good in a very MS way, but I'm not sure I actually want that way of presenting data - especially as it may come with a cost in terms of battery life.
I think Apple may have dropped the ball on this one.
1) Lion is shipping next week. For all we know Windows 8 could be a year or two away.
2) The Windows 8 demo got a mixed reception at best. Essentially Windows 7 with a WP7 dashboard on top.
3) For what it's worth, I think Lion looks a lot better! Multitouch gestures that are ready to go, software and hardware. Tasteful aesthetics. Moves the user experience forward with auto save, Versions, Mission Control, etc.
4) Apple is rarely the first to do anything. MS beat Apple to the tablet party by 8 years, but that meant nothing obviously.
What it's doing is giving you an customized overview of the various things in your life. It's sweet that I can see my next appointment without launching the calendar, new emails without launching mail, weather without launching weather, etc.
It's all very efficient... "glance and go"
No it's not very efficient IMO. I think the key to efficiency is more akin to David Allen's GTD theory in which you spend a bit more effort to flesh out a task (due dates, context and more) and then you focus on dispatching tasks in a more serial fashion.
Windows 8's tiles invite information overload. If I've properly set up my calendar it will notify me of my next important scheduled even ..I don't need to constantly see it.
I think Apple's strategy with Lion and full screen is refreshing. Open up an app....let it take the "full" focus of your attention and then move on to something else. I think it's more in line with how humans process and dispatch tasks.
If we are a developer and we install the GM, will we have to worry about Lion on release? Or do we already have the release version?
Odds are there will be some other releases before it gets officially released. They will be very minor updates. But I wouldn't worry about that as I'm sure software update will have you covered for future updates.
I think Apple may have dropped the ball on this one.
Nah, like someone else already noted, different strokes for different folks. Personally, I find the W8 interface interesting, but I think I would find it annoying to have to dis-engage (for lack of a better description) the tiles/main interface to actually get to the computing components of W8. Not sure how many clicks, swipes, etc, it will take, but for me personally, I can set widgets and things to provide that same info to me immediately if/when I want it and always have the computing environment available, and that's the way I would prefer to work. I mean they are, after all, "computers", right? If all I wanted was a device to present information via widgets, I'd buy a tablet or something of the sort.
Others have also mentioned the price aspect, and I agree - it will be interesting to see what MS charges for W8...
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I think Apple may have dropped the ball on this one.
So, could someone with GM let us know if one can make a stand-alone installer that could be transferred to an external device/DVD? Or did Apple nix that since prior versions . . . .?
thanks
I second this. I too am hoping Apple has retained the option to burn a physical recovery media. Would be nice to be able to make it a USB flash drive too as it's much faster and more versatile.
But I have to imagine that if Apple is going to ship Macs with Lion, that they would include recovery media as they have always done in the event that the HD is replaced or reformatted such that a recovery partition is unusable.
Which looks more advanced?
or this?
I think Apple may have dropped the ball on this one.
You jest, right?
The power, flexibility and ease of use of Lion is astounding. It takes only seconds to get used to the new multi touch gestures. There is far more to it than a few tiles.
You jest, right?
The power, flexibility and ease of use of Lion is astounding. It takes only seconds to get used to the new multi touch gestures. There is far more to it than a few tiles.
I'm already running windows 8 on my iPad2, sort of. I have bing, which is of course by MS, and that app reminds me of windows 8 with all of the tiles.
Which looks more advanced?
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I think Apple may have dropped the ball on this one.
From a gut reaction looking at the two side-by-side, it seems that Windows 8 tries to present all of your fragments of information in a big grid while Lion works to let you focus even better on one thing at a time. Unity vs. focus.
For me Windows, like Android, tries to be all things to all people and give me everything it can show me. It's like drinking from a fire hydrant. I can't get work done that way because it's too distracting: too fragmented. I get pulled from one thing to another without ever really engaging any of the tasks.
Lion, on the other hand, allows me to bring each task into even greater focus; thus enabling me to do a higher quality job in a quicker timeframe without losing any of the pieces in my task list.
Your preference will dictate what you purchase and use, and mine is Lion.
Most importantly, it finally moved past the desktop metaphor that is over 25 years old and Apple still uses.
You jest, right?
The power, flexibility and ease of use of Lion is astounding. It takes only seconds to get used to the new multi touch gestures. There is far more to it than a few tiles.
Not even.
W8 has the same gestures. It also has "live tiles" which are more useful than icons.
Most importantly, it finally moved past the desktop metaphor that is over 25 years old and Apple still uses.
Haha. Windows 8 looks like it's made for really stupid and simple people. It just looks like a bunch of big widgets shaped like tiles on your desktop, providing real useful info such as the weather.
And how much is that crap going to cost? As we all know, Lion will be $29. Only a fool would shell out good money to downgrade their OS and get a couple of tiles on their desktop instead. We all know how much MS charges for their operating systems.
What it's doing is giving you an customized overview of the various things in your life. It's sweet that I can see my next appointment without launching the calendar, new emails without launching mail, weather without launching weather, etc.
It's all very efficient... "glance and go"
Haha. Windows 8 looks like it's made for really stupid and simple people. It just looks like a bunch of big widgets shaped like tiles on your desktop, providing real useful info such as the weather.
And how much is that crap going to cost? As we all know, Lion will be $29. Only a fool would shell out good money to downgrade their OS and get a couple of tiles on their desktop instead. We all know how much MS charges for their operating systems.
Haha. Windows 8 looks like it's made for really stupid and simple people. It just looks like a bunch of big widgets shaped like tiles on your desktop, providing real useful info such as the weather.
And how much is that crap going to cost? As we all know, Lion will be $29. Only a fool would shell out good money to downgrade their OS and get a couple of tiles on their desktop instead. We all know how much MS charges for their operating systems.
The amount M$ charges for their OS is likely to change either. It is how they make their money, it is what they are known for. Apple is known for a complete solutions.
My IQ is 143 and I think it's awesome
What it's doing is giving you an customized overview of the various things in your life. It's sweet that I can see my next appointment without launching the calendar, new emails without launching mail, weather without launching weather, etc.
It's all very efficient... "glance and go"
To me, it's too much detailed information in a small area. I prefer apple's method in that I can select which information to focus on.
But this is what makes the world go'round.
I think Apple may have dropped the ball on this one.
I dunno about dropping the ball, I think WP7 / Win 8 have an interesting look and I think that they may even mark the first time in MS' history when it has advanced the state of the art of UI design.
That doesn't mean that Apple failed though - Apple has always gone with a more minimal approach, MS has always gone with a more busy and colourful approach.
Win 8 is good in a very MS way, but I'm not sure I actually want that way of presenting data - especially as it may come with a cost in terms of battery life.
to me, it's too much detailed information in a small area. I prefer apple's method in that i can select which information to focus on.
But this is what makes the world go'round.
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My IQ is 143 and I think it's awesome
Please don't do that.
My IQ is 143 and I think it's awesome
Wow, you could get a job as an Apple genius, although I'm sure you are also a bizillionaire.
Which looks more advanced?
or this?
I think Apple may have dropped the ball on this one.
1) Lion is shipping next week. For all we know Windows 8 could be a year or two away.
2) The Windows 8 demo got a mixed reception at best. Essentially Windows 7 with a WP7 dashboard on top.
3) For what it's worth, I think Lion looks a lot better! Multitouch gestures that are ready to go, software and hardware. Tasteful aesthetics. Moves the user experience forward with auto save, Versions, Mission Control, etc.
4) Apple is rarely the first to do anything. MS beat Apple to the tablet party by 8 years, but that meant nothing obviously.
My IQ is 143 and I think it's awesome
What it's doing is giving you an customized overview of the various things in your life. It's sweet that I can see my next appointment without launching the calendar, new emails without launching mail, weather without launching weather, etc.
It's all very efficient... "glance and go"
No it's not very efficient IMO. I think the key to efficiency is more akin to David Allen's GTD theory in which you spend a bit more effort to flesh out a task (due dates, context and more) and then you focus on dispatching tasks in a more serial fashion.
Windows 8's tiles invite information overload. If I've properly set up my calendar it will notify me of my next important scheduled even ..I don't need to constantly see it.
I think Apple's strategy with Lion and full screen is refreshing. Open up an app....let it take the "full" focus of your attention and then move on to something else. I think it's more in line with how humans process and dispatch tasks.
If we are a developer and we install the GM, will we have to worry about Lion on release? Or do we already have the release version?
Odds are there will be some other releases before it gets officially released. They will be very minor updates. But I wouldn't worry about that as I'm sure software update will have you covered for future updates.
Which looks more advanced?
I think Apple may have dropped the ball on this one.
Nah, like someone else already noted, different strokes for different folks. Personally, I find the W8 interface interesting, but I think I would find it annoying to have to dis-engage (for lack of a better description) the tiles/main interface to actually get to the computing components of W8. Not sure how many clicks, swipes, etc, it will take, but for me personally, I can set widgets and things to provide that same info to me immediately if/when I want it and always have the computing environment available, and that's the way I would prefer to work. I mean they are, after all, "computers", right? If all I wanted was a device to present information via widgets, I'd buy a tablet or something of the sort.
Others have also mentioned the price aspect, and I agree - it will be interesting to see what MS charges for W8...