Apple retail plans, sources point to Mac OS X Lion launch next week

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  • Reply 61 of 145
    tontontonton Posts: 14,067
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    Originally Posted by zindako View Post


    I'm eagerly awaiting osx lion.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    No, it doesn't. It could be telling us that there is no MB upgrade. Why would major leaks of Air upgrades come out so early, and none for the MB? That would be unlikely.



    Mark my words. There will be no MacBook. It's being replaced in its market segment with the Air.
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  • Reply 62 of 145
    bregaladbregalad Posts: 816member
    I'm not too fond of some of the iOS stuff creeping onto the desktop, but I'm willing to give it a fair chance. Problem is I still use some PowerPC software on a regular basis.



    Users like me who still use older software have three options:

    1. Replace everything we own from the PowerPC era even if there's no direct replacement available

    2. Continue to use older Macs with an older OS

    3. Pirate Snow Leopard Server and run it in a virtual machine



    Apple obviously wants #1, but the other two options are both more convenient and less costly for users. Option #2 is the worst possible case for Apple - a group who simply cannot buy any new Apple hardware or software.



    Therefore Apple should make it possible for Snow Leopard client to run in a virtual machine.

    Is anyone in Cupertino listening?

    You could sell brand new Macs to a large number of Rosetta hold-outs if you'd let us run old software on new hardware.
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  • Reply 63 of 145
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    Originally Posted by Odysseus1923 View Post


    The point I am trying to make is that instead of Apple wasting their time coming up with useless eye candy in order to attract Windows users they could spend their time better coming up with genuine innovation which is useful and adds to usability and enhanced efficiencies in the real world working environment instead of dumming down the OS and re-packaging aspects which already exist. Hey I am not saying it is all bad it just seems they are beginning to run out of genuine ideas.



    You're basing your entire argument on one post on a website which clearly states in its own sitel logo that its opinion, not to mention that some of the article is just pure gibberish.



    "They're making it more like iOS!" - "Windows 8 with its new Windows Mobile Style features and UI"



    "Windows 7 style <insert element here>" - I'm on my Windows 7 machine right now, I've been searching for the last 15minutes and I cannot see one of these supposed "copied" GUI elements. If its something stupid like the buttons being square then the world needs a slap.



    The article also does not mention that, in total, Lion has 250 new features and APIs. You are saying that Lion is useless for business? Have you SEEN the new features? For a start, ASLR and sand-boxing has been greatly improved which enhances security, new Profiles for server environments for easier management of Apple devices, vastly improved automator and the new XTS-AES 128 encryption is a boon for those with sensitive documents. FileVault2 can even encrypt USB and Firewire devices. The new Mail would be great for business users with long emails and the improved SMB support for Mac users in a Windows Network.



    I could go on but I think I'll stop. From a business perspective, things have just gotten a lot better and more streamlined. Stop focusing on the GUI and take a deeper look into the underlying system. Its actually a very substantial upgrade - do you know how long Mac users have been waiting for an improved ASLR?
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  • Reply 64 of 145
    bert32bert32 Posts: 7member
    Hoping for some nice OS X Lion T-Shirts, Like when they released Leopard.... I can dream.
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  • Reply 65 of 145
    focherfocher Posts: 688member
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    Originally Posted by Odysseus1923 View Post


    Good

    Sandboxing

    Versioning

    Auto Save

    Resume



    Bad or Irrelevant

    Mission Control

    Launchpad

    Disappearing scrollbars

    Full Screen Apps (Mostly)



    Well, that's a start. You finally acknowledge something in Lion of value, and I would point out that the things you highlight are pretty big fundamental changes at the OS level for functionality to support applications.



    As for your list of bad or irrelevant things, here's one tip. Don't use them. You absolutely don't have to use them. They aren't mandatory, except for the scroll bars which are wonderful because they reduce the focus on navigation elements and keep your eyes on the content.



    What's obvious from all of your posts is that you don't have any experience with Lion, whether it's using it or even having any knowledge about it. That's not an ad hominem attack, it just appears to be factual. I'll give you credit for sticking to your guns, though.
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  • Reply 66 of 145
    focherfocher Posts: 688member
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    Originally Posted by Owen Meaney View Post


    Can you list what *signficant* apps are actually using Grand Central Dispatch, btw?



    The only one that actively promotes its use of GCD is Final Cut X Pro. However, most every app that has been updated for SL likely uses it because it's built into the SDK. Adding support for GCD is only a couple lines of code to a function. Your question is kind of like asking someone to list significant apps which use CoreAnimation.
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  • Reply 67 of 145
    focherfocher Posts: 688member
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    Originally Posted by Owen Meaney View Post


    Actually, Odyssues1923 is NOT trolling. He's expressing a pretty clear opinion about the next version of MacOS X. And frankly, I agree with him. No offense, the OS is intended to attract iOS customers to the Mac but not really offer anything to existing users of MacOS X.



    It's actually pretty offensive that you suggest that anybody who disagrees with Apple's direction is trolling.



    I agree that he's not trolling, but he is clearly ignorant about Lion - having clearly never used it or even bothered to read up on the enhancements. Criticism is fair and good (for example, I personally never noticed the big performance benefits from SL) but it should be based on factual arguments with clear points. Simply stating Lion is just eye candy and an attempt to lure Windows users (while also claim it implements iOS UI elements, which are nothing like Windows) is not an argument. It's just making contrarian statements.
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  • Reply 68 of 145
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    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    As AppleInsider exclusively reported a little less than a month ago, Apple management made a decision earlier this spring to freeze new Mac introductions, such as the new MacBook Airs, until the completion of Lion so that it could image the new notebooks with a Gold Master build of Lion, which would afford buyers the latest and greatest Apple experience.



    GOLDEN not Gold!



    Also Guiness would like to talk to you about the world record for longest sentences.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    This includes complimentary iCloud services that will come built into the software, offering a means of automatic data synchronization that is both unparalleled in the computing industry, and paramount in an age when consumers are adopting a digital lifestyle in which they own and operate multiple mobile devices.



    iCloud will not be built-in to the initial release of Lion as iCloud doesn't launch til Fall. iCloud will be a separate update/install.
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  • Reply 69 of 145
    focherfocher Posts: 688member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Owen Meaney View Post


    Is Odysseus really complaining or just providing a counterpoint to those who claim that Lion is the next delivery of Mana from God? As I remember his original post, he was just saying that compared to other Mac OS updates (that frankly took shorter time to deliver), it is less compelling.



    Cite one comment where someone claimed Lion is the next delivery of Mana from God. Your summary of Odysseus' comment is also 100% inaccurate. Luckily, everyone can click back and read it to see for themselves.



    What you are attempting to do is equate the two opposing points of view. I guess for you, if one point of view is irrational and not based on any factual points then the other must be too and hence why you threw in the claim about Lion / Mana / God.



    Those who believe Lion has significant feature enhancements have not ONCE argued against a specific criticism - but there hasn't been one. The points made are that Lion is just eye candy and has no significance to "business users" (as if a business user is some superior user type who has higher demands). Specific examples were shown that this is not actually true. Where is the factual response to defend your argument?
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  • Reply 70 of 145
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
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    Originally Posted by Maffrew View Post


    Mountain Lion?



    OSX 10.8 Manticore!



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  • Reply 71 of 145
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
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    Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post


    OSX 10.8 Manticore!



    In honor of the passing of Gary Gygax?
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  • Reply 72 of 145
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
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    Originally Posted by bert32 View Post


    Hoping for some nice OS X Lion T-Shirts, Like when they released Leopard.... I can dream.



    There will be T-shirts... You just have to download them from the App Store.
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  • Reply 73 of 145
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
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    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    In honor of the passing of Gary Gygax?



    If one thinks so... It would be hella cool in any case. The guerilla and mainstream marketing opportunities increase by an order of magnitude once you move into the realm of mythical creatures.
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  • Reply 74 of 145
    lightknightlightknight Posts: 2,312member
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    Originally Posted by Odysseus1923 View Post


    Not all all I have read lots about Lion. So how about you telling me or try to convince me what exactly is so ground breaking about Lion as turning my desktop or laptop into an oversized iPhone doesn't quite work for me or my business. Seriously I would love to be convinced.



    Alos having the release as a download only is plain stupid. For me it is fine as I have a 50Mb connection but what about other users and countries where their connections are limited or in reality impossible to do a 4GB download.



    Agreed. I live abroad with 3G roaming. 4G update, yeah right.
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  • Reply 75 of 145
    garamondgaramond Posts: 109member
    What's up with all the "Jul 2011" trolls?
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  • Reply 76 of 145
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member
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    Originally Posted by Aizmov View Post


    A tabbed or split pane finder would be nice \



    You should give PathFinder a try. Great program and I must say everyone should have this if you consider yourself a power-user.
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  • Reply 77 of 145
    thepixeldocthepixeldoc Posts: 2,257member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post


    I'm not too fond of some of the iOS stuff creeping onto the desktop, but I'm willing to give it a fair chance. Problem is I still use some PowerPC software on a regular basis.



    Users like me who still use older software have three options:

    1. Replace everything we own from the PowerPC era even if there's no direct replacement available

    2. Continue to use older Macs with an older OS

    3. Pirate Snow Leopard Server and run it in a virtual machine



    Apple obviously wants #1, but the other two options are both more convenient and less costly for users. Option #2 is the worst possible case for Apple - a group who simply cannot buy any new Apple hardware or software.



    Therefore Apple should make it possible for Snow Leopard client to run in a virtual machine.

    Is anyone in Cupertino listening?

    You could sell brand new Macs to a large number of Rosetta hold-outs if you'd let us run old software on new hardware.



    Good post. I just want to point out that running Rosetta is not up to Apple. IBM, who bought the company that Apple licensed Rosetta from, doesn't want to license it any longer. Or so it has been reported over at Macworld.
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  • Reply 78 of 145
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
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    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post


    Good post. I just want to point out that running Rosetta is not up to Apple. IBM, who bought the company that Apple licensed Rosetta from, doesn't want to license it any longer. Or so it has been reported over at Macworld.



    Heh - IBM never killed off a piece of technology that was still turning a profit. More likely they just asked for more $ than Apple was willing to pay.
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  • Reply 79 of 145
    garamondgaramond Posts: 109member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post


    There's been so much written about it that you can easily find a number of articles that explain the features, at least those that we know about, and obviously, as always, the ones we don't yet know about will be dwarfed by those we don't yet know about.



    So instead of trying to give answers here, in this limited venue, it would be better for you to look some of these articles up yourself, that is, if you're really serious, which seems to be questionable.



    If you're so serious, then why don't you discuss, in some detail, one of those major features you seem to detest, instead of simply telling us how terrible they all are? Then maybe we can take you seriously.



    The man is angry about Mac OS X evolving and just have to pay $29 for it. I've been running Lion since GM came and I have yet to find any negative aspects.



    He's a troll allright.
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  • Reply 80 of 145
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    Such an awesome OS for only $29, and the best hardware of any manufacturer. Some people will complain about anything!
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