Microsoft CEO pans Apple's Mac sales, admits 'very small' Windows Phone sales

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  • Reply 41 of 169
    akhomerunakhomerun Posts: 386member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by freckledbruh View Post


    I'm not so sure about that. The mac mini has the guts (contrary to my sig I now own one instead of a macbook) but you still have to add a high quality screen, trackpad and keyboard. That alone will get you back up to macbook/macbook air prices. Also, from my experience, a lot of people who can't "afford" macs but want to experience OSX tend to either buy refurb or buy second hand on craigslist/ebay/etc. which gets them a macbook at a mac mini price.



    if you are switching from a desktop PC, you don't have to buy a monitor or keyboard.



    trackpad? with a desktop? lame.
  • Reply 42 of 169
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,323member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jeffhrsn View Post


    Well, except for:

    iTunes

    Pages

    Numbers

    Keynote

    Final Cut Pro

    Motion

    Compressor

    Logic Pro

    Mainstage

    Soundtrack Pro

    Garageband

    iMovie

    oh yes...and OSX and iOS.



    Other than those (and a few others) you are correct.



    Everyone but iTunes only runs on Apple Hardware.
  • Reply 43 of 169
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by freckledbruh View Post


    I'm not so sure about that. The mac mini has the guts (contrary to my sig I now own one instead of a macbook) but you still have to add a high quality screen, trackpad and keyboard. That alone will get you back up to macbook/macbook air prices. Also, from my experience, a lot of people who can't "afford" macs but want to experience OSX tend to either buy refurb or buy second hand on craigslist/ebay/etc. which gets them a macbook at a mac mini price.



    Well im not sure about the refurb sales, it is really cool to see average weekly pay maps and average mac market share of the states. I've only found the maps once but they are identical. It is a fact that people who afford macs get them. And there are $500 pc's with an i series processor in them so it wouldn't be too hard for apple to be able to do something like that. The insides of the macbook are worth half as much as they were last year so it wouldn't be too hard to just lower the price like with the 3gs. Also, without backlit keyboard, terrible internals with a core 2 duo, plastice, no sd slot, and no glassy, its not like it would really compete with their other computers and the ipad is a different product all together.



    still...i don't think it will ever happen. Apple probably sleeps happy knowing that if they're mac sales ever decline, a cheap mac would easily turn that around
  • Reply 44 of 169
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 1,970member
    This bodes well for Mac sales --- the last time SB belittled an Apple product (the iPhone) it went on to trounce MS' offerings.
  • Reply 45 of 169
    kent909kent909 Posts: 711member
    The comparison should be what percentage of market share does each hold for computers that cost $1200 and up. As it is he is comparing apples to mangoes.
  • Reply 46 of 169
    I think Steve is right 350 is bigger than 20.



    The only areas where Apple leads Microsoft are Revenues, EPS, Market Cap, Growth Rate and Customer Satisfaction (not to mention Security and Stability as well.)



    Does anyone really think any of those are all that important?
  • Reply 47 of 169
    Ballmer doesn't have any vision. Compare Ballmer with Steve Jobs. Ballmer likes to sit on his assets while Jobs likes to innovate and knock products out of the ballpark. There is no greater evidence showing Ballmer's lack of vision than his recent comments about Windows vs. Mac. You know what, it's not about that anymore. It's about Windows vs. Android vs. iOS. And Microsoft has no horse in that race, meaning we've already witnessed the beginning of Microsoft's decline. Hallelu!
  • Reply 48 of 169
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tangential View Post


    I think Steve is right 350 is bigger than 20.



    The only areas where Apple leads Microsoft are Revenues, EPS, Market Cap, Growth Rate and Customer Satisfaction (not to mention Security and Stability as well.)



    Does anyone really think any of those are all that important?



    The one area Microsoft leads Apple is Dividend payments. Do any shareholders find those important?
  • Reply 49 of 169
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pooman625 View Post


    do it:no

    would it be smart:yes



    So, in your words then .... it's the "smart" thing to do ..... but Apple shouldn't do it ..... please tell me that you're not studying "how to run a business" in college .... that would be too painful to hear.
  • Reply 50 of 169
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 4,752member
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    Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post


    Apple is Hardware maker, not a Software maker. For Ballmer to constantly compare MS against Apple in the Windows-Mac space is kinda ridiculous.



    For illustration, Apple will gladly sell you a mac so you can run Windows on it. OTOH, MS would hardly be thrilled if you assembled a PC, but installed Mac OS X on it.



    As a hardware maker, I think Apple is glad to be in the position where they make nearly 50% of the profits in the industry. I don't think they are too worried about their marketshare in that instance.



    Truth be told, I run Windows on both my MBA and my iMac. I can honestly say that my Macs are the best Windows machines I've ever owned. Prior to buying my first Mac, I used to build my own rigs. That's high praise.
  • Reply 51 of 169
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by akhomerun View Post


    if you are switching from a desktop PC, you don't have to buy a monitor or keyboard.



    trackpad? with a desktop? lame.



    My post was in response to someone who said apple should sell a LAPTOP for the same price as a mac mini. I was giving my opinion on why that would not be possible while maintaining the same level of quality. Before you declare something "lame" try reading the post first.



    Also, I have a magic trackpad with my mini and it is hardly lame. It's awesome in fact.
  • Reply 52 of 169
    zindakozindako Posts: 468member
    Microsoft market cap = 227 billion



    Apple market cap = 332 billion



    Done and done.



    Let's not forget Apples on hand cash asset approaching 70+ billion, and they are debt free.
  • Reply 53 of 169
    lilgto64lilgto64 Posts: 1,147member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sflocal View Post


    Truth be told, I run Windows on both my MBA and my iMac. I can honestly say that my Macs are the best Windows machines I've ever owned. Prior to buying my first Mac, I used to build my own rigs. That's high praise.



    How many Macs that have been sold are still in use compared to how many PCs are in the recycle bin? And how often to people switch from Mac to PC?



    If there was a reliable way to determine how many computers of each type are being used the "market share" charts would look very different I think.



    And while Apple certainly needs certain amount of market share to ensure that third parties etc do not leave the platform - it is not the focus for Apple relative to profits. What MS may be missing is that each quarter their use base is eroded as more and more people switch to alternatives.
  • Reply 54 of 169
    macinthe408macinthe408 Posts: 1,050member
    Kind of funny that Microsoft now has to make strategic comments regarding competition from Apple rather than just brushing them off as nuisances.



    Once you acknowledge an enemy, they've won. -- Sun Tzu (maybe)
  • Reply 55 of 169
    enjournienjourni Posts: 254member
    Balmer is a idiot, and anyone with microsoft stock should be calling for his removal.
  • Reply 56 of 169
    zindakozindako Posts: 468member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by enjourni View Post


    Balmer is an idiot, and anyone with microsoft stock should be calling for his removal.



    I would much rather Ballmer to continue running Microsoft into the ground, so please, let him stay ;-)
  • Reply 57 of 169
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    Originally Posted by monstrosity View Post


    I disagree, Apple is a Software AND Hardware maker. They excel at both, which is what gives them their edge over others who specialise in one or the other.



    Not to step on your toes, but as Steve has said numerous times, Apple is "the whole widget" maker. They make the software, the hardware, and they make them play nicely together so that the user has a complete, intuitive computing experience. My Macs have been the best example of technology getting out of the way of my work. For the last four Macs I've owned, I never once looked at the user manual; I just plugged it in, turned it on and started working/playing. "It just works"
  • Reply 58 of 169
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by akhomerun View Post


    trackpad? with a desktop? lame.



    I personally would never go without my magic trackpad. It's been over a year sans mouse and am loving it. You should really give it a good go.
  • Reply 59 of 169
    vvswarupvvswarup Posts: 330member
    Folks, quit getting worked up over Ballmer's jabs at Apple. That's a part of the game. In case you all have forgotten, Steve Jobs is known to take swipes at competitors. Remember "2011: Year of the Copycats?" Also, he derisively remarked back in October that the slew of 7-inch tablets coming to the market should come with sandpaper so that users can file their fingers so that they can type on those tablets. And he has publicly vilified Google and Adobe. It's the job of CEOs to talk up their own products and point out the faults in competitors' products.



    It doesn't bother me in the least that Ballmer has panned Mac sales. I just feel bad that Microsoft's vast resources are going to waste because the guy at the top just has no idea how to run a company. Apple isn't even trying to unseat Windows in desktop computing. Instead, Apple has moved on. Apple has iOS, their cash cow. Microsoft has Windows Phone 7. There is talk about Windows 8 but as far as I'm concerned, until we see a live demo and a release timeline for it, it's nothing but vaporware.
  • Reply 60 of 169
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by freckledbruh View Post


    Also, I have a magic trackpad with my mini and it is hardly lame. It's awesome in fact.



    <snark>Try playing Starcraft 2 on a trackpad!</snark>



    But really, the trackpad is very intuitive. In fact, the only reason I use a mouse nowadays is to play SC2.
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