Microsoft CEO pans Apple's Mac sales, admits 'very small' Windows Phone sales

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  • Reply 81 of 169
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
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    Originally Posted by Paul94544 View Post


    I think it will be intresteing to see how many people decide to use the WebOS HP will be offering on PC not Windows. That is a lot more significant.



    Somewhere between hardly any and none at all I should imagine.
  • Reply 82 of 169
    alandailalandail Posts: 689member
    Great, just ignore the iPad, your #1 threat, when comparing units sold. Steve Jobs just laughs when they do that.
  • Reply 83 of 169
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,264member
    Apple surpassing 20 million Macs per year is a huge improvement. It's more than double what they were selling just a couple years prior.



    The acceleration is behind OS X, not Windows.
  • Reply 84 of 169
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member
    the big question is will WP 7 ever grow into a major OS.



    MS is betting the Nokia partnership/take over will accomplish that. but it is also possible it will flop, and be the end of Nokia instead. i don't see the very idiosyncratic WP 7 replacing the much more generic Symbian phones worldwide. maybe in Europe at best, a niche.



    actually, MS' best hope is that the massive ongoing legal attack on Android brings it down in a year or two, and forces OEM's to look for alternative OS's. of course, HP may license out WebOS too in that case. and RIM, if they ever pull QNX together ... and assuming they survive long enough.



    the only thing you can be sure of is a very solid Apple iOS presence in the market. the iPhone will always be a solid top quality product in an otherwise very fragmented market. all the other OS' and OEM's will be constantly scrambling to eke profits as the situation twists and turns constantly.
  • Reply 85 of 169
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
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    Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post


    The one area Microsoft leads Apple is Dividend payments. Do any shareholders find those important?



    Given that Apple's market cap is about 50% higher than Microsoft's, apparently most shareholders don't find them important enough to compensate for Microsoft's other weaknesses.
  • Reply 86 of 169
    350 is bigger than 20 indeed. How's the market valuation, Monkey Boy?
  • Reply 87 of 169
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  • Reply 88 of 169
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Alfiejr View Post


    the big question is will WP 7 ever grow into a major OS.



    MS is betting the Nokia partnership/take over will accomplish that. but it is also possible it will flop, and be the end of Nokia instead. i don't see the very idiosyncratic WP 7 replacing the much more generic Symbian phones worldwide. maybe in Europe at best, a niche.



    Nokia still have great market presence outside the US and there is still a huge population of handset owners who've never owned a smartphone. A big percentage of them use Nokia dumb-phones, so the market share is there for Nokia to lose - which admittedly I fully expect them to do. But if they manage to deliver they could end up being a significant 3rd player everywhere but the US.



    Nokia still have some good engineers, they still have some good designers, they still have great relationships with carriers around the world, they still have global manufacturing reach. They've always lacked software, and while we can mock WP7 it looks nicer than anything they ever made for themselves.
  • Reply 89 of 169
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
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    Is it just me or does Ballmer have the scarier eyes?
  • Reply 90 of 169
    applestudapplestud Posts: 367member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Everytime someone buys a Mac that's one less Windows license for every instance for which a non-Mac 'PC' is typically purchased.



    I suppose your hair-splitting is correct. Technically if MS loses a sale, it's not necessarily to a mac. However, as far as the vast majority of human beings on the planet is concerned, the only "non-Mac PC" is Windows. Linux does not count. Ever.
  • Reply 91 of 169
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    Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post


    Ballmer doesn't have any vision. Compare Ballmer with Steve Jobs. Ballmer likes to sit on his assets while Jobs likes to innovate and knock products out of the ballpark. There is no greater evidence showing Ballmer's lack of vision than his recent comments about Windows vs. Mac. You know what, it's not about that anymore. It's about Windows vs. Android vs. iOS. And Microsoft has no horse in that race, meaning we've already witnessed the beginning of Microsoft's decline. Hallelu!



    Oh sure, he has vision. He dismissed the iPhone in 2007, comparing it to Microsoft's mighty fistful of hardware partners and millions in Windows Mobile licenses... Convincing Palm to offer a Windows-based Treo was a feather in their cap. His vision was to stay the Windows Mobile course...
  • Reply 92 of 169
    ijordanijordan Posts: 19member
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    Originally Posted by tcphoto View Post


    It's like comparing Apples to Oranges, one Company sells well designed products at a premium price while other sells products to the masses at discount prices. It's like comparing Kia's to Mercedes Benz, one sets the standards while the other is denying the others quality. Let's stop arguing and just acknowledge that they're doing things differently. Let's just try to remember how respectful Steve and Bill were at that event a couple years ago.



    Right on.
  • Reply 93 of 169
    Ballmer should look at partnering with Apple and have a Windows operating system installed on every Mac, as well as MS Office. Think about making a profit with apple instead of bad mouthing the company. At least hold on to the office monopoly.
  • Reply 94 of 169
    macinthe408macinthe408 Posts: 1,050member
    Funny how Ballmer is now gearing the comparisons to something other than mobile, where he's getting bikini waxed by Apple.



    He might as well also state that Microsoft is killing Apple in the extended keyboard market.
  • Reply 95 of 169
    ijordanijordan Posts: 19member
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    Originally Posted by pooman625 View Post


    Well im not sure about the refurb sales, it is really cool to see average weekly pay maps and average mac market share of the states. I've only found the maps once but they are identical. It is a fact that people who afford macs get them. And there are $500 pc's with an i series processor in them so it wouldn't be too hard for apple to be able to do something like that. The insides of the macbook are worth half as much as they were last year so it wouldn't be too hard to just lower the price like with the 3gs. Also, without backlit keyboard, terrible internals with a core 2 duo, plastice, no sd slot, and no glassy, its not like it would really compete with their other computers and the ipad is a different product all together.



    still...i don't think it will ever happen. Apple probably sleeps happy knowing that if they're mac sales ever decline, a cheap mac would easily turn that around



    I'd really like to see these maps!
  • Reply 96 of 169
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,447member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tcphoto View Post


    It's like comparing Apples to Oranges, one Company sells well designed products at a premium price while other sells products to the masses at discount prices. It's like comparing Kia's to Mercedes Benz, one sets the standards while the other is denying the others quality. Let's stop arguing and just acknowledge that they're doing things differently. Let's just try to remember how respectful Steve and Bill were at that event a couple years ago.



    It's one thing for Ballmer to talk about installations of Windows vs. installations of Mac OS, but he should not be bragging about sales of Windows PCs, because Microsoft doesn't market any PCs. And Apple doesn't market the OS outside of their own computers. So it's two completely different approaches to the market.



    Furthermore, I believe you have to look at either company as a whole. If you include the iOS, which is after all, an offshoot of the MacOS, how close does Apple get now?



    But even that's not the issue. The issue is which company is most positioned to be able to deal with the future? In spite of their past successes, does anyone think of Microsoft as a visionary company? What was the last groundbreaking product from Microsoft....the menu bar in the latest versions of Office?



    McDonald's sells far more burgers than your high-end, locally-sourced, grass-fed, organic burger restaurant, but which would most people rather be associated with?



    But I do think there are legitmate questions as to whether Apple can remain a visionary company at the same time that it appeals to the masses. Generally, if the masses want something, I don't.
  • Reply 97 of 169
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,264member
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    Originally Posted by mickeymantle View Post


    Ballmer should look at partnering with Apple and have a Windows operating system installed on every Mac, as well as MS Office. Think about making a profit with apple instead of bad mouthing the company. At least hold on to the office monopoly.



    Apple would never partner with Microsoft on licensing Windows on every Mac. You do get that they compete at the OS level, right?
  • Reply 98 of 169
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,264member
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    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    Nokia still have great market presence outside the US and there is still a huge population of handset owners who've never owned a smartphone. A big percentage of them use Nokia dumb-phones, so the market share is there for Nokia to lose - which admittedly I fully expect them to do. But if they manage to deliver they could end up being a significant 3rd player everywhere but the US.



    Nokia still have some good engineers, they still have some good designers, they still have great relationships with carriers around the world, they still have global manufacturing reach. They've always lacked software, and while we can mock WP7 it looks nicer than anything they ever made for themselves.



    Nokia once owned the phone market in the US Mobile space. With Apple moving heavily into China and being huge in the US, they have the two largest GDP markets in the world, followed by Japan.



    Nokia is drowning and Microsoft's life boat has a hole in it.
  • Reply 99 of 169
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    Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer View Post


    Apple would never partner with Microsoft on licensing Windows on every Mac. You do get that they compete at the OS level, right?



    yes, but one of the neat things is using windows on a mac machine, especially if you're trying to get the corporate types to buy a mac, hey, it has windows preloaded. and I can do my work on the mac osx. everybody wins and i get to use a mac at work.
  • Reply 100 of 169
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    Nokia still have great market presence outside the US and there is still a huge population of handset owners who've never owned a smartphone. A big percentage of them use Nokia dumb-phones, so the market share is there for Nokia to lose - which admittedly I fully expect them to do. But if they manage to deliver they could end up being a significant 3rd player everywhere but the US.



    Nokia still have some good engineers, they still have some good designers, they still have great relationships with carriers around the world, they still have global manufacturing reach. They've always lacked software, and while we can mock WP7 it looks nicer than anything they ever made for themselves.



    yup. but WP 7's tiles UI is too hip. very first world. i don't see it replacing Nokia's dumb phones globally. the local telcos will opt for something they can tailor more easily to their markets. Samsung and the rest will provide more generic OS options for them that they can localize.
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