Sorry for the confusion... We don't use mini's to create these disks... I was thinking about the students that buy the disks. If a student gets a new mini, then they have to spend more money to see their show.
It's not really up to you to determine what computer someone else buys, nor is it any concern of yours whether they buy a computer with or without an ODD.
If anything, this should be telling you to stop distributing this stuff on DVDs.
I'm thinking that the loss of the Optical drive may discourage some in the htpc market from a new mini purchase. I personally haven't bought or rented a disc in so long that I honestly cannot remember when it was. There is after all a reason all the rental stores are drying up and going out of business.
Just looks odd to see that Apple doesnt sell the regular MacBook anymore though.
At first i was like cool. But looking into I agree with this poster. The mac mini has less hardware but is the same price. Not everyone is networked so how do they get software? Also, if they have to buy an external drive to get 3rd party software, apple effectively just raised the cost of their most low end system.
I think Apple is making it more expensive to own they're low-end computer. More likely this may drive PC sales as an alternative to owning the mac mini.
And before anyone goes off on a tangent about me trolling, I'm very pro apple. My house has 2 iphone 3g replaced by 2 iphone 4, 1 4th gen ipod touch, 2nd gen ATV, 2nd gen mac mini, 1 1st gen ipad(waiting to replace with ipad 3), and if apple comes out with an HDTV we're getting that also.
I just think apple should have another option for getting software on your mac...and the OD was it.
It seems I was wrong about the price, so it is about the same price to buy the Mini and an external drive. Kludgy to say the least, but doable. NOT so doable for those who wanted to use it as part of their home entertainment system....if they own/rent DVDs.
I am also not a troll or Apple hater. I have been using Apple computers since 1985.
I replaced the optical drive in my MacBook Pro 17 with a second hard drive as soon as I bought it. I put the optical drive in a cheap external enclosure, but hardly ever use it. I think the last time I used it was for some windows program in Parallels Desktop many moons ago.
I have to confess that I *never* liked optical from it's very inception. I used syquest disks and found optical to be slow and fragile. There was always promises to make them fast, but it never happened. Meanwhile their fragility was always combated with propaganda instead of results. How many old optical disks work compared to floppies 10 years older? My old syquest disks from the 90s most likely work just fine.
Not everyone is networked so how do they get software?
If people aren't networked and for some off reason need an internal optical drive why do you think they are the target market for the machine without an optical drive?
It's not really up to you to determine what computer someone else buys, nor is it any concern of yours whether they buy a computer with or without an ODD.
If anything, this should be telling you to stop distributing this stuff on DVDs.
Sorry for the confusion... We don't use mini's to create these disks... I was thinking about the students that buy the disks. If a student gets a new mini, then they have to spend more money to see their show.
Sell a digital version that they can download from the interwebs, I hear some folks are doing it
At first i was like cool. But looking into I agree with this poster. The mac mini has less hardware but is the same price. Not everyone is networked so how do they get software? Also, if they have to buy an external drive to get 3rd party software, apple effectively just raised the cost of their most low end system.
I think Apple is making it more expensive to own they're low-end computer. More likely this may drive PC sales as an alternative to owning the mac mini.
And before anyone goes off on a tangent about me trolling, I'm very pro apple. My house has 2 iphone 3g replaced by 2 iphone 4, 1 4th gen ipod touch, 2nd gen ATV, 2nd gen mac mini, 1 1st gen ipad(waiting to replace with ipad 3), and if apple comes out with an HDTV we're getting that also.
I just think apple should have another option for getting software on your mac...and the OD was it.
No one cares if you're pro-apple - my house has over fourty apple devices bought over the past 5 years.
Oh, for those bemoaning the loss if their optical drive...
1) Of course you can install windows without an optical drive. You have been able to do this officially before you could do it officially with Mac OS X. Ever heard of a netbook?
2) You don't need Apple's super expensive hardware to have an external DVD drive. Buy any cheap wintel drive, of which there are zillions due to the popularity of netbooks.
3) Asking Apple to provide bulky, expensive to engineer around, old hardware as standard kit because 5% of users can't figure the above out won't make the mini cheaper.
So they removed the optical drive, and the price stayed the same?
I could understand ditching it on notebooks, but ditching it on a desktop machine that is already uber tiny to begin with seems ridiculous to me.
Hmmm, sadly this is a very good point. Unless they crammed something equally valuable inside, the price should have come down a bit. So for those who do not opt for a second internal HDD or SDD, what is going to be in that space?
EDIT: Nevermind. Someone explained there was a price drop, so that's cool. I guess I don't pay enough attention to some of Apple's products/pricing like I should.
What part of "some people only own one computer" doesn't make sense? If that one computer were the new Mac Mini, then HOW would they make such an install USB drive without a optical drive or easy access to another machine? If the Mini had an optical drive so that I could make the install USB drive...then I wouldn't need the USB drive.
Why drive instead of flying?
Afraid to fly, get sick when flying, cheaper to drive, etc.
Apple is a business, not a charity. My statements put financials to the side. It's all about speed. The optical drive is shockingly slow by today's I/O standards.
Find a friend with a computer or go to a Microsoft Store to get your USB wiped up.
At first i was like cool. But looking into I agree with this poster. The mac mini has less hardware but is the same price.
Really?! I guess if you don't include the CPU, GPU, hard drive (with extra slot?), oh and a little thing called THUNDERBOLT while keeping hdmi meaning you can run two or more displays.
It's not really up to you to determine what computer someone else buys, nor is it any concern of yours whether they buy a computer with or without an ODD.
If anything, this should be telling you to stop distributing this stuff on DVDs.
Here is a much easier suggestion...
Instead of this student being forced to buy another computer that has a DVD drive, or purchasing the Apple external Superdrive, or having to borrow a computer or optical drive from a friend...why doesn't he or she just use the DVD player connected to their TV?
I don't know anyone who doesn't have a DVD player and/or game console in their living room on which they can watch DVDs. I doubt these players are going anywhere. You can argue the poor student issue, but most college students these days are anything but poor.
Only if the mini is the only computer in the house. Otherwise you can use the optical drive of any Mac on your home network.
Besides, this is what you should expect for being so cheap. You are using the cheapest computer Apple makes and you are running two OS's on it. I bet you are running on minimal RAM and have a VGA BenQ monitor attached to it as well.
The only thing cheaper would be switching back to Windows and buying some awful windows box that will last all of a year before it blows up or needs to be upgraded. Maybe that's your future.
I really have to ask this:
Are you this much of d**khead in real life? Or do you only feel okay acting like such a prick via the internet?
Having read your comments for months, they're always rude, condescending and venomous.
So they removed the optical drive, and the price stayed the same?
I could understand ditching it on notebooks, but ditching it on a desktop machine that is already uber tiny to begin with seems ridiculous to me.
The price is $100 lower, it comes with dedicated graphics, and a 500 GB HDD on the base model - That's a damn fine compromise. No one's gonna use a SuperDrive for ripping CDs, DVDs or installing software anymore - That's why there's iTunes and the Mac App Store. However, when the Mac Pro's updated in the near future, they'll likely leave the SuperDrive or make it a configurable option at least.
Driving a car across the country slowly allows you to take in the scenery in a way you can't with a fast a fly-over.
Installing slowly with a DVD is not about the same kind of enriching experience.
The only time I equate optical discs with an enriching experience is when I boot up my LC 575 and play old disc based games on it.
Because that "disc read" sound brings back so many great childhood memories. There's just nothing else like that sound or how you feel when you hear it.
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I don't know anyone who doesn't have a DVD player and/or game console in their living room on which they can watch DVDs. I doubt these players are going anywhere. You can argue the poor student issue, but most college students these days are anything but poor.
This is the exact argument for why Nintendo didn't provide DVD playback with the Wii and Wii U. There's absolutely no point to the added cost, weight, heat, and power draw when everyone already has a DVD player.
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Sorry for the confusion... We don't use mini's to create these disks... I was thinking about the students that buy the disks. If a student gets a new mini, then they have to spend more money to see their show.
It's not really up to you to determine what computer someone else buys, nor is it any concern of yours whether they buy a computer with or without an ODD.
If anything, this should be telling you to stop distributing this stuff on DVDs.
Just looks odd to see that Apple doesnt sell the regular MacBook anymore though.
At first i was like cool. But looking into I agree with this poster. The mac mini has less hardware but is the same price. Not everyone is networked so how do they get software? Also, if they have to buy an external drive to get 3rd party software, apple effectively just raised the cost of their most low end system.
I think Apple is making it more expensive to own they're low-end computer. More likely this may drive PC sales as an alternative to owning the mac mini.
And before anyone goes off on a tangent about me trolling, I'm very pro apple. My house has 2 iphone 3g replaced by 2 iphone 4, 1 4th gen ipod touch, 2nd gen ATV, 2nd gen mac mini, 1 1st gen ipad(waiting to replace with ipad 3), and if apple comes out with an HDTV we're getting that also.
I just think apple should have another option for getting software on your mac...and the OD was it.
It seems I was wrong about the price, so it is about the same price to buy the Mini and an external drive. Kludgy to say the least, but doable. NOT so doable for those who wanted to use it as part of their home entertainment system....if they own/rent DVDs.
I am also not a troll or Apple hater. I have been using Apple computers since 1985.
I have to confess that I *never* liked optical from it's very inception. I used syquest disks and found optical to be slow and fragile. There was always promises to make them fast, but it never happened. Meanwhile their fragility was always combated with propaganda instead of results. How many old optical disks work compared to floppies 10 years older? My old syquest disks from the 90s most likely work just fine.
Not everyone is networked so how do they get software?
If people aren't networked and for some off reason need an internal optical drive why do you think they are the target market for the machine without an optical drive?
It's not really up to you to determine what computer someone else buys, nor is it any concern of yours whether they buy a computer with or without an ODD.
If anything, this should be telling you to stop distributing this stuff on DVDs.
You're as arrogant as Steve
Sorry for the confusion... We don't use mini's to create these disks... I was thinking about the students that buy the disks. If a student gets a new mini, then they have to spend more money to see their show.
Sell a digital version that they can download from the interwebs, I hear some folks are doing it
At first i was like cool. But looking into I agree with this poster. The mac mini has less hardware but is the same price. Not everyone is networked so how do they get software? Also, if they have to buy an external drive to get 3rd party software, apple effectively just raised the cost of their most low end system.
I think Apple is making it more expensive to own they're low-end computer. More likely this may drive PC sales as an alternative to owning the mac mini.
And before anyone goes off on a tangent about me trolling, I'm very pro apple. My house has 2 iphone 3g replaced by 2 iphone 4, 1 4th gen ipod touch, 2nd gen ATV, 2nd gen mac mini, 1 1st gen ipad(waiting to replace with ipad 3), and if apple comes out with an HDTV we're getting that also.
I just think apple should have another option for getting software on your mac...and the OD was it.
No one cares if you're pro-apple - my house has over fourty apple devices bought over the past 5 years.
1) Of course you can install windows without an optical drive. You have been able to do this officially before you could do it officially with Mac OS X. Ever heard of a netbook?
2) You don't need Apple's super expensive hardware to have an external DVD drive. Buy any cheap wintel drive, of which there are zillions due to the popularity of netbooks.
3) Asking Apple to provide bulky, expensive to engineer around, old hardware as standard kit because 5% of users can't figure the above out won't make the mini cheaper.
You're as arrogant as Steve
Except I'm not making money off it, so I'm obviously a bad guy for it.
Either that, or you take the opposing opinion.
Which means that you're okay with companies and other people telling you what you can and can't buy. Which is ludicrous.
Except I'm not making money off it, so I'm obviously a bad guy for it.
Either that, or you take the opposing opinion.
Which means that you're okay with companies and other people telling you what you can and can't buy. Which is ludicrous.
I take the view that the relase of the MacMini w/o optical drive should not tell one that they should stop relseaing their stuff on DVD.
So they removed the optical drive, and the price stayed the same?
I could understand ditching it on notebooks, but ditching it on a desktop machine that is already uber tiny to begin with seems ridiculous to me.
Hmmm, sadly this is a very good point. Unless they crammed something equally valuable inside, the price should have come down a bit. So for those who do not opt for a second internal HDD or SDD, what is going to be in that space?
EDIT: Nevermind. Someone explained there was a price drop, so that's cool. I guess I don't pay enough attention to some of Apple's products/pricing like I should.
I take the view that the relase of the MacMini w/o optical drive should not tell one that they should stop relseaing their stuff on DVD.
You have to follow the market or you're left behind. I didn't say to stop, I said this could be telling him that people don't want discs anymore.
So you'd've told a keyboard manufacturer to not release USB keyboards in 1997, then. Keep with that PS/2...
Oh, wait. People still sell PS/2 keyboards and mice...
What part of "some people only own one computer" doesn't make sense? If that one computer were the new Mac Mini, then HOW would they make such an install USB drive without a optical drive or easy access to another machine? If the Mini had an optical drive so that I could make the install USB drive...then I wouldn't need the USB drive.
Why drive instead of flying?
Afraid to fly, get sick when flying, cheaper to drive, etc.
Apple is a business, not a charity. My statements put financials to the side. It's all about speed. The optical drive is shockingly slow by today's I/O standards.
Find a friend with a computer or go to a Microsoft Store to get your USB wiped up.
Why take a car across country when you can take a plane?
Driving a car across the country slowly allows you to take in the scenery in a way you can't with a fast a fly-over.
Installing slowly with a DVD is not about the same kind of enriching experience.
At first i was like cool. But looking into I agree with this poster. The mac mini has less hardware but is the same price.
Really?! I guess if you don't include the CPU, GPU, hard drive (with extra slot?), oh and a little thing called THUNDERBOLT while keeping hdmi meaning you can run two or more displays.
But sure, less hardware
It's not really up to you to determine what computer someone else buys, nor is it any concern of yours whether they buy a computer with or without an ODD.
If anything, this should be telling you to stop distributing this stuff on DVDs.
Here is a much easier suggestion...
Instead of this student being forced to buy another computer that has a DVD drive, or purchasing the Apple external Superdrive, or having to borrow a computer or optical drive from a friend...why doesn't he or she just use the DVD player connected to their TV?
I don't know anyone who doesn't have a DVD player and/or game console in their living room on which they can watch DVDs. I doubt these players are going anywhere. You can argue the poor student issue, but most college students these days are anything but poor.
Only if the mini is the only computer in the house. Otherwise you can use the optical drive of any Mac on your home network.
Besides, this is what you should expect for being so cheap. You are using the cheapest computer Apple makes and you are running two OS's on it. I bet you are running on minimal RAM and have a VGA BenQ monitor attached to it as well.
The only thing cheaper would be switching back to Windows and buying some awful windows box that will last all of a year before it blows up or needs to be upgraded. Maybe that's your future.
I really have to ask this:
Are you this much of d**khead in real life? Or do you only feel okay acting like such a prick via the internet?
Having read your comments for months, they're always rude, condescending and venomous.
So they removed the optical drive, and the price stayed the same?
I could understand ditching it on notebooks, but ditching it on a desktop machine that is already uber tiny to begin with seems ridiculous to me.
The price is $100 lower, it comes with dedicated graphics, and a 500 GB HDD on the base model - That's a damn fine compromise. No one's gonna use a SuperDrive for ripping CDs, DVDs or installing software anymore - That's why there's iTunes and the Mac App Store. However, when the Mac Pro's updated in the near future, they'll likely leave the SuperDrive or make it a configurable option at least.
Driving a car across the country slowly allows you to take in the scenery in a way you can't with a fast a fly-over.
Installing slowly with a DVD is not about the same kind of enriching experience.
The only time I equate optical discs with an enriching experience is when I boot up my LC 575 and play old disc based games on it.
Because that "disc read" sound brings back so many great childhood memories. There's just nothing else like that sound or how you feel when you hear it.
I don't know anyone who doesn't have a DVD player and/or game console in their living room on which they can watch DVDs. I doubt these players are going anywhere. You can argue the poor student issue, but most college students these days are anything but poor.
This is the exact argument for why Nintendo didn't provide DVD playback with the Wii and Wii U. There's absolutely no point to the added cost, weight, heat, and power draw when everyone already has a DVD player.